Suporn's FailureS ..... Who else?

[Adabelle]

This thread has been very informational~ not to scare me away from  one doctor or another but simply because if I suffer complications I have an idea of where I should look!

I am a little curious about the "there was almost an entire penis" left though.  That seems insane.  Or is this par for SRS?

Personally I don't feel that the idea that there's a "penis" left over is really very fair. Since natal females do indeed have erectile tissue and describe a feeling of erection when aroused, it makes sense to me that any doctor who is trying to simulate as real an equivalent as possible would leave some erectile tissue in tact so that the sensation and appearance is appropriate. Personally I see this as a benefit and not something to be feared. It is one of the reasons I personally have chosen Dr. Suporn (though there were other top surgeons who I also strongly considered and feel do great work).

Technically speaking, every piece of tissue, nerve, and muscle that is re-purposed to create a neo-vagina is made of "penis" material. I don't feel it's fair to call Dr. Suporn's neo-vagina a "penis" any more than any other surgeon. They are all re-purposing the same penile tissues after all. I personally appreciate that Suporn tries to create a neo-vagina that mimics female genitalia as closely as he possibly can.

While I disagree with her description, I do believe that the girl who felt that she had too much erectile tissues left over that caused her pain had a very valid complication; one that I hope I don't experience. I have a great deal of empathy for her case honestly (and the other girl with a similar issue), and I am so glad both were able to get the complication resolved. I have read those stories with great interest. I personally know of one other Suporn girl who also said that she felt that the erection feeling she got was too intense - she got this revised on a subsequent visit to Thailand when she had another procedure done and now says that everything works exactly as it should and the feeling is now entirely appropriate.

But I do personally feel that labeling any Suporn neo-vagina a "penis" is inappropriate and unfair since every neo-vagina is created using these tissues.

[Dorothy.Amos]

Well... I went to Suporn and my boobs dropped over a year to where my nipples were on top of the implant and my nose grew huge over six months. I had them both revised in the US. The breasts weren't really a problem surgery. The nose revision was extremely rough. The doctor was a very well known Beverly Hills surgeon for many celebrities and he told me he had never seen such bad scarring from a nose job.

[Dahlia]

iand my nose grew huge over six months. and he told me he had never seen such bad scarring from a nose job.

How can that happen? Cartilage overgrowth?

I don't like asian nosejobs on caucasians anyway; too scooped out, too fake looking...because of the unnatural upturned nosetip...

[Denjin]

I've had a number of complications, but just haven't been able to take the time out to get a correction (it's been 7 years).  For example, my clitoral hood prevents it from being  completely uncovered and I also have some problems inside.  Not sure how much engorgement there is supposed to be in that area, but a lot of blood definitely goes to the area around the clitoris.

[sylvannus]

Suporn is a Thai surgeon, the surgeons who perform reassignment in China/Taiwan are pretty secretive of their work (in the sense of visibility to western trans people).

(I have a couple names but haven't really confirmed they are in a gender identity program in practitioner side)

This might be because of the differences in medical systems. In China at least, all best SRS doctors work for major hospitals, and private clinics are not popular in China. I believe it should be a similar case in TW. Therefore, almost no doctor make a name for themselves. People only know the hospital they work for. In addition, as these hospitals are public ones, they never make advertisements, not to mention overseas advertisements.
It is pretty well known in the Chinese TS community that the Shanghai 411 hospital and Changzheng hospital do a pretty good jod, and that they are really cheap -- about $5000 for results not bad compared with that of most Tailand clinics, because they are public funded. Of course they are in no compare with a few world-top surgeons, but there are always people who don't have a high income and need to be saved from suicidal, depression, etc., or who do not expect frequent intercourse (lesbians, seniors etc.).

[MidnightKat]

Does anyone know if she's still giving out the password for the files?

[MidnightKat]

You don't need any. It's a medical website from Serbia. You just have to promise that you're 18+.

What do you mean?  I downloaded a zip file with some password encrypted images...

[MidnightKat]

let's be serious ....

so to anyone who really want to know: THE RAR FILE containing the pictures IS THERE you can ask me the password by MP or mail, or guess it (it's pretty easy )

I found this in reply #14.

[XchristineX]

well of course there are happy patients, or else his business would have already gone down long ago,


the thing is, as far as i have understood, his technique can't handle the most "well-endowed" patients.... those who have an average or asian genitalia have no problem, but the big ones still have too much erectile tissue causing pain and discomfort...

so the lesson is: do NOT even think about suporn if you have a big package


then the problem is wether the clinic is aware of it or not, i mean if they are, they should just make sure the patients
fits their criterias and if not, just avoid creating the erectile problem ... but they don't...

What would be considered a big package?

[Noah]

Wow...

I had seriously been settling with Suporn until reading this thread in entirety. Even after the first few pages it seemed to me that this was an exceptional case and not to be concerned. While I am still confidant that Suporn holds his position of popularity for good reason - I am horrified at the behavior of Sophie. This is a SERIOUS issue, if the sole contact to this clinic in Thailand is at the hands of someone who has their own agenda or allows a personal emotional response behave so unprofessionally. It is disgusting that a client could be advised to return to thailand for a revision that the surgeon had not confirmed...simply unbelievable...and for her to not claim responsibility in the mishandling of that drama is horrifying. That being said - I don't know how the OP originally handled this problem, if she was behaving unreasonably - it still would not justify an unprofessional response, but may offer some explanation to it? I would not suggest that is the case, and reading her words she seems very level headed and grateful and honest to me - so I suspect this is just a traumatic reality of the management staff at Suporn's clinic...

My penis is 7 inches or so when erect, small when flacid, and hearing that Suporn can not handle well-endowed clients makes me seriously concerned. If I ended up with one of these botched sex change operations where my genitalia is a bloody mess of protruding stumps I would go insane. I was looking at the work of the OP's revision and that photo of her post-revision surgery at belgrade is out of control...I do not mean to be critical but that result has me shaking in my boots. I recognize that it was an immediate post-op picture, that it was with a different surgeon than suporn, and that it was done to revise a horrible mistake of suporns - I just do not understand how there can be such a huge difference between results for some people.

I am now seriously considering staying in the US for surgery, not because I doubt the services necessarily elsewhere, but because the idea of emailing a void called sophie on the other side of the planet to try and fix a botched operation sounds like a nightmare already - without the anticipated sass factor, shaming, and rejection of her response. Seeing as I am a well endowed client, I seriously think I need to find a surgeon who at least acknowledges the differences in penis size for their surgery - does suporn do this anywhere? does he or his clinic ever discuss large penis size for his technique?

I am looking toward Christine Mcginn...wow what an amazing and surprising disappointment. I don't want to jump the gun too quickly and rely on this thread as the sole force in mydecision, I will continue to research and hopefully get some mroe info from those who are reading this response.

Oh and to those who can not find the photos they are available here: http://www.genitalsurgerybelgrade.com/mtf_surgery_detail.php?Vaginoplasty-re-do-5

case 2 is the OP

[GendrKweer]

I have to chime in here again, being a Suporn girl myself... Sophie has been nothing but nice, prompt and courteous to me via email, even discussing a possible revision. I have not gone out of my way to be anything but myself, meaning polite, and she has responded in kind. I understand others might have had bad experiences with her, but many more of us I suspect have not. My surgery also went without a hitch, and certainly without a huge stump of any sort. My junk shall we say was about 6.5 inches, not huge, but not tiny either, and the results are fine, with a six inch depth six months post srs.

[Elainagirl59]

I second the statements made by GendrKweer. 

I had my SRS in 2010 well before this thread started.  Reading this
thread took my breath away thinking how I would have handled
being in the position of the orginal OP. 

Elaina

[Dahlia]

I have to chime in here again, being a Suporn girl myself... Sophie has been nothing but nice, prompt and courteous to me via email, even discussing a possible revision. I have not gone out of my way to be anything but myself, meaning polite, and she has responded in kind. I understand others might have had bad experiences with her, but many more of us I suspect have not. My surgery also went without a hitch, and certainly without a huge stump of any sort. My junk shall we say was about 6.5 inches, not huge, but not tiny either, and the results are fine, with a six inch depth six months post srs.

Suporn has many happy SRS patients, but that's not what this thread is about.

This thread is about his failures and Sophies rude behaviour.
Chiming in about how happy you are with your results is a bit like rubbing salt into wounds, isn't it?

[GendrKweer]

No, it isn't rubbing salt anywhere, when some people might get turned off an otherwise very good surgeon and entire SRS experience because of a vocal few people claiming Sophie, out of the blue, was awful to them. It's merely providing some perspective to the undecided about this aspect of Suporn's clinic. Which is, it seems, for most of us, to be a very positive one. And that includes Sophie.

[Devlyn]

No personal attacks, please. Hugs, Devlyn

[Adabelle]

This has gone waaaay off course.

Agreed.

[Devlyn]

There is a thread started to discuss discrimination by doctors, please stay on topic in this thread. Thank you, hugs, Devlyn

"Do Asian surgeons discriminate against HIV+ individuals?

[LauraGirl]

I have booked an SRS with dr Suporn for November and till so far I was very pleased to have Sophie as contact person. Everybody I've met who had an SRS performed by dr Suporn, was very happy with their result.

I believe this complaint is a bit twisted and does not reflect what has really occured. Some persons are never happy or are too high-demanding. It remains surgery, so be realistic.

Compare also his results to other SRS-surgeons and you will see that his complication rate is much lower than in others.

[Devlyn]

I have booked an SRS with dr Suporn for November and till so far I was very pleased to have Sophie as contact person. Everybody I've met who had an SRS performed by dr Suporn, was very happy with their result.

I believe this complaint is a bit twisted and does not reflect what has really occured. Some persons are never happy or are too high-demanding. It remains surgery, so be realistic.

Compare also his results to other SRS-surgeons and you will see that his complication rate is much lower than in others.

There is no reason to doubt the O/P, she is relating her experience, as you are relating yours. Our site is based on mutual respect and understanding. This thread has been problematic, please remain civil with one another. Hugs, Devlyn

[Dahlia]

Didn't you want revisions from suporn?

If you read the posts closely...I can understand why she didn't want to.
Besides that: if a surgeon makes that kind of mistakes during the initial surgery.....I wouldn't trust him to do revision surgery, even if he did for free.