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Started by JungianZoe, May 25, 2011, 06:18:52 PM

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JungianZoe

I had electrolysis about two months ago and everything went very smoothly.  Seriously, I had no swelling, no redness, not even any pain.

Then I met another electrologist who told me that the method that was being used (which was galvanic) was dangerous and highly at risk for scarring because of the chemical reaction.  She told me that flash was the best way and had the fewest risks.  So I went and had electrolysis with her on Monday and had almost 3/4 of my chin cleared.  Two and a half days later, and I'm still kind of swollen, still very red, and had about 10 tiny white blisters appear (all but one are gone now, and that one showed up this morning).  So far there's been no scabbing or any sign that there will be, but I've been reading that it may show up several days later.  And after two days, the area where she did the most work is still totally numb.

Basically, I'm terrified at what just happened after doing my own research on flash vs. galvanic. :(  Is this going to guarantee scarring or pitting several months down the road?  Everyone (including the electrologist I saw Monday) tells me what beautiful skin I have, and it's always been one of the few things about my body I like: the total smoothness of my face.  Is that wrecked now on my chin?

I'm so scared that I screwed up big time... from what I've read today, I'm not sure I'll be doing that again, so this will stop with just the one treatment.  But I fear so much damage was already done.

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EDIT - I should qualify that this electrologist is certified and was recommended by several other people.  Am I just overreacting to a few sites I've seen talking about the horrors of flash electrolysis?  I admit that, during the procedure, I didn't feel any discomfort or pain, and didn't hear any of the popping sounds that these websites discuss as symptomatic of a machine turned up too high.

Here's what it looks like after two and a half days... is this good, bad, otherwise?

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Kay

Hi Zöe,
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I wouldn't pay their advice on which method is better too seriously, unless they're adept at
using both methods themselves.  It's a sales pitch, nothing more...and they want your business.
My electrologist did the same thing.   I don't know anyone who has gone straight galvanic, but between blend and thermolysis, either method works fine...as long as you have an experienced technician.
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As for your previous treatments with galvanic, I'd be concerned that you were wasting your money
with someone that wasn't putting the machine high enough to kill your hairs.  While it doesn't need
to be excruciating, you should feel some pain/discomfort during treatment...especially around the lips and other sensitive spots.
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As for my own experience, I've had about 350 hours of flash thermolysis in the past 3 years.
(almost done, thankfully :)  )  No scarring to speak of.  She's a little slower than I'd like, but my electrologist has done a good job.  Like you, I was very concerned about any scarring or pitting on my face, so I went with cautious experience over speed...and I'm happy with the results.  :)
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The redness is normal.  I often have little red dots like those seen on your chin, along with the accompaning blushed area around it.  That stuff heals up just fine.  I usually get 2 hours of treatment every Friday night, and during the worst weeks it'll still look a little red and irritated by work on Monday, but not enough for people to think that it's anything other than a bad case of razor burn.
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The swelling after 2 days is a bit concerning.  The white blisters I would be even more concerned about.  We are talking about heat blisters, and not little whiteheads from infection, yes?  If these are little white pimples that you can just pop with a pin and squeeze out, then I'd suggest being more carful with your aftercare regimen.  (I would regulary wipe my face with an astringent like witch hazel 2-3 times/day  to keep the pimples from coming) 
If they're heat blisters though, find a different technician.
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A couple of questions to help clarify things:
How many hours did you have done in that session?
Was it all in the same area (the chin)?
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I know some people that have gone to E3000 (blend method) and gotten a lot done at one time.  They do look rather red and swollen for quite some time afterward...even after a week's time.  So how much treatment you had done is a consideration in gauging the reaction of your skin.  If you had a large amount of time done in a small area of skin, the swelling you've seen may be normal.   Heat blisters, however, are not normal.  But to put your mind at ease, looking at your pic, you should heal up just fine.  I don't think you've done any permanent damage.
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Regarding blistering though, there's more to it than just monitoring the level of the machine.
A technician also has to consider how close together their zaps are.  My beard was very thick, coarse, and dense when I started...the triple whammy.  Often I had 4 hairs growing out of the same place in all sorts of directions.  To make sure she didn't damage my skin, my electrologist had to thin the area out first, else risk damaging the skin by treating the same small area with too many zaps in too short a timeframe.   Just another thing to consider depending on your skin type and hair distribution.  If your hair is similar to mine, a more conservative approach might be warranted (even if it might cost a little more, or take a little more time.  You only have one face, so you need to take care of it. ;)  at least...that's how I look at it.).
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Hope this helps,
Best of luck,
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Kaitlyn (Kay)



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~RoadToTrista~

That looks like it hurts :3
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JungianZoe

Trista - it actually doesn't.  :laugh:  It's more numb than anything, but that's starting to subside.

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Kay - thank you SO much for your thoughtful response!  It's put my mind at ease about one or two things.  First off, I'm not sure I wasted my money with that first session (where I didn't feel anything).  The technician did my right cheek, and after two months, not a single spot has regrown.  The technician I saw on Monday also told me that it sounded like the other tech's machine wasn't high enough, because according to her, electrolysis is a "no pain, no gain" system.  Then she did a couple of hairs (this time on my chin) and asked how I felt... honestly, it felt like the session I had on my cheek with the other electrologist.  So the one on Monday said I must simply have a high pain tolerance.  Honestly, it was so pain-free I could have fallen asleep.

The one on Monday did a test run on the most sensitive spot on the upper lip... and I certainly couldn't have fallen asleep through that. :laugh:

As for the blisters, now that you mention it, I'm not sure if those were blisters or, as you said, little white pimples.  They popped with the lightest touch and didn't return, which makes me think now that they were just pimples (and I read some stuff about after-care and am now being MUCH more diligent in that).  I read on other websites that the heat blisters were little white blisters, which matches the description of little white pimples.  I couldn't find any pictures of heat blisters online to compare.  If those heat blisters are usually large, then I DEFINITELY didn't have any of that.

The session I had on Monday (which resulted in the picture I showed above) was one hour, and she worked entirely the chin.  The hair was previously cleared with 13 laser sessions, 10 with a dark-hair laser, 3 with a white/gray-hair laser.  So there was already thinning, but not a great deal since about half of the hairs on my chin were white, blonde, or red.  And now that the swelling has gone down, I can see that the electrologist didn't try to clear every single hair, because it looks like she was really good about taking only every other hair.  There's definitely still hair in the entire area she worked, just not nearly as dense as before.  I'm taking that as a good sign that she wasn't working hairs too close together.  And one hour all in the same area might be why there was still swelling after two days.  I put some Neosporin on, and in the last 7 hours, the swelling went down substantially and is about 95% gone.

Again, thank you so very much for putting my mind at ease and telling me about your own experience.  ;D
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Padma

The strong advice I've been given (I'm just about to start having electrolysis) is: don't mess with the pimples! While there's anything raw or open on the face, keep the hands right off it, unless they're scrupulously clean. Minimal intervention is the path to faster healing.

I'd also personally recommend making sure you have plenty of vitamin E in your diet, or via supplements, as well as staying well hydrated (i.e. no alcohol, tea, coffee, all of which dry you out) - skin heals a lot faster that way, as it increases its elasticity.
Womandrogyne™
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rejennyrated

Any method can scar if done incorrectly.

The blend is the most effective method however and it is for this reason that many of us have chosen that since its investion in the early 1980's

These days I would use laser for my initial clearances and then switch to the blend when the hairs had been weakened. That way you minimise the risk from exposing the skin to the very high currents that are needed for the first few passes.

I had a horrendous reaction to the first couple of treatments. The good news is that skin adapts and I didn't get any scaring. So don't worry. Just make sure you have gone to a reputable practicioner and preferably one who has had previous experience with working with higher current settings.
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JungianZoe

Thank you both, Padma and Jenny! ;D  I'm starting to eat better these days and am trying to give up caffeine for straight water.  Not doing a good job of it today, sadly, but tomorrow I'll be back on track.

Jenny, I'm glad to hear that even a nasty reaction didn't lead to scarring.  I'm a bit nervous again as I just noticed three definite large bumps on my chin that didn't seem to be there before (now three days after treatment).  Could these be blisters?  I just have no clue... and I'm trying to be calm about it, but I really am kind of paranoid about my skin.

Luckily, my skin (all over my body) has always been extremely resistant to permanent damage, as I only have two scars from injuries that didn't receive stitches.  One of those injuries, I cut the bulb of my thumb all the way to the bone and couldn't even put a bandage on it because I was working in an empty house and my dad had just left for three hours to pick up supplies.  Two days later, that wound still hadn't shut, but I kept Neosporin and a bandage on it and it healed so well that you can't even find the scar unless you look super close.  I can't even find it in under 10 seconds most of the time. :laugh:

Still, I'm so nervous about these bumps on my chin!!  Like, about to have a panic attack over it.  Geesh.
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Kay

Padma:  I agree about making sure you're hydrated.  That does tend to help with electro. 
While I've heard the "minimal intervention" method from just about everyone and their mother, it's never worked for me.  Anytime I leave a pimple alone, it gets far far worse.  For me, the best method has been to prick cleanly with a clean needle, and get all the bad stuff out...then sanitize with alcohol/witch-hazel, or better yet put some neosporin on it and cap it with one of those little round bandaids all night.  Looks good as new in the morning. ;)   Same thing goes for ingrown hairs...if I didn't yank them out, they would always get terribly infected.  I understand the logic behind the "minimal" method, but it doesn't work for everyone.
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Zoë: I don't think they're blisters.  If you had heat blisters, they would have shown up rather immediately (within 24 hours)...and you wouldn't be guessing about what they are.  The heat blisters I've seen/had (none in conjunction with electro) are white/yellowish on top.  The top layer of skin is fairly thin, and contains a yellowish liquid.  In larger blisters, you can move the fluid around like you would the water in a waterbed, watching it puff up one area as you deflate the other and back again.  (yeah...it's kinda gross, sorry...but goes to show that it doesn't sound like you have a heat blister.)  Do remember that the work on your chin is the boniest area of the face.  Any little bit of puffiness or irritation in that area is going to be pretty noticeable because the skin is rather taut, and any little bump is going to be flat up against bone which will make it stick out.  My cheeks neck and other fleshy areas generally healed up rather quickly after even a 4 hour session.  My chin and lips showed the bumpy, blushed, red-poked-hole effects of electro about twice as long...so that area does tend to be slower at healing.  Take a deep breath and give it a few more days, and you should start looking back to normal again...minus some unwanted hairs.  ;)
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Lisbeth

No, that does not look bad. There were times my face was a lot worse. Use lots of aloe vera cream.

Quote from: Zoë Natasha on May 25, 2011, 06:18:52 PM
Here's what it looks like after two and a half days... is this good, bad, otherwise?


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Birdie

I'll probably be the unpopular one here, but if you are really worried about scarring and feel that it may be doing damage my advice would be to listen to your instincts, stop doing electro and try doing IPL and/or laser. I had maybe a dozen electrolysis treatments before I realised how badly my skin was being damaged (by a reputable, experienced practitioner) and by the time I sought a different method it was too late. The scarring is permanent and terrible, it is as if there is a beard permanently tattooed. The effects of electrolysis are not always dependent upon only the practitioner's skill; sometimes those of us with sensitive skin will be affected regardless.

Your skin doesn't look like it's reacting too badly, though, and you mentioned having reasonably resilient skin. I think you'll be fine. :)
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xxUltraModLadyxx

i really don't have much facial hair. i just shave it every other day, and it's invisible for the most part. i would like to get it permanently removed some day, but if there is scarring involved, i just would rather shave the rest of my life  :-\ i may just do laser when i have the chance. i would just say to see if the red dots heal, because they don't look serious. i would imagine that with all the zapping and plucking, your skin will get a little irritated. you should just wait and see it heal before continuing.
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JungianZoe

#11
I think I'm going to take the cautious approach... hold off for some time before getting another session done (if I wind up doing it at all).  When I do, I'll go to that first electrologist who didn't leave me at all red.  After two and a half months, none of those hairs have come back at all.

So an update from Monday's session, now at the six-day mark.  There's still a little tiny bit of redness in a few areas, around parts of the skin that don't feel natural to the touch.  No, I'm not touching it all the time, just checking a couple of times a day.  They kind of feel solid and those areas are still numb.  Is it common to have numbness six days later?  I know those are the areas she absolutely worked on the most.

Of the three bumps that showed up at the three-day mark, two of them went down within hours, but one is still there.  It definitely feels squishy, like a blister, but it may also just be a pimple.  I don't know.  It didn't look fluid-filled, but feels like it.  And why did it not show up until the three-day mark?  Was it so deep that it had to take time to come up?  That one worries me tremendously.  My chin looks more dimpled than it did before, but I'm assuming this is because some of the skin is still solid to touch.  Hoping that solidification goes away.  The swelling DID go away, except those solid areas appear raised (maybe because that skin's not bending at all).

The good news is that there's absolutely no scabbing, and I'm hoping none decide to show up as the lower skin cells come to the surface.

(I'm dwelling on this WAY too much, I think... :(  Are these things normal?  There's like no detailed information I can find on the phases of healing, either good or bad.  But I'm seriously terrified of how this is healing, still to the point of feeling like I'm going to have panic attacks).
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Tamaki

My first electrolysis experience sounds very similar to yours. The electrologist was highly recommended and we spent an hour of my chin and jawline. Afterward it was swollen red and numb. It took nearly a week for the swelling to go down and longer than that for the feeling to return. I'm still may have photos somewhere. Needless to say, I didn't go back. My new electrologist is awesome and I've never had the same kind of experience with her. Both used blend so it wasn't the method. Last Friday she worked on my chin for almost an hour and it was a little swollen and itchy but today (Sunday) it feels fine. I do get the red spots but they tend to go away by the next appointment a week later.

My advice, FWIW, is to find and electrologist that you feel comfortable with and that you feel isn't doing damage to you. You'll feel better about the whole process and won't worry about possibly being scarred.
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JungianZoe

Quote from: Hannah_Irene on May 29, 2011, 12:39:22 PM
My first electrolysis experience sounds very similar to yours. The electrologist was highly recommended and we spent an hour of my chin and jawline. Afterward it was swollen red and numb. It took nearly a week for the swelling to go down and longer than that for the feeling to return. I'm still may have photos somewhere. Needless to say, I didn't go back. My new electrologist is awesome and I've never had the same kind of experience with her. Both used blend so it wasn't the method. Last Friday she worked on my chin for almost an hour and it was a little swollen and itchy but today (Sunday) it feels fine. I do get the red spots but they tend to go away by the next appointment a week later.

My advice, FWIW, is to find and electrologist that you feel comfortable with and that you feel isn't doing damage to you. You'll feel better about the whole process and won't worry about possibly being scarred.

Good to know... thank you! :)  This is why I'll be going back to the first electrologist once I finally feel comfortable (if I feel comfortable) doing this again.  I wasn't red, itchy, or swollen after that appointment, and she did my entire right cheek and jawline in 45 minutes.  But really, I'm so afraid of scarring from last Monday's appointment that I might wait a good 8 months to ever sit in an electrolysis chair again.  I'll laser whatever I need to in the meantime (the first electrologist was the same girl who did my laser and she's been excellent at both).

I just feel so stupid switching people when I had such good results, but the second person was cheaper and told me the other person's technique was more harmful than hers.  The first was either galvanic or blend, the second was flash.  And stupid me didn't do any independent research either... and now all I can hope is that Monday's appointment doesn't result in scarring.  I'm seriously terrified of it, like I want to jump out of my skin and wash it away, but I'm stuck.  I never had any cause for panic after my first session, but the one last week has me in total fits of despair.

BTW, this is what it looks like now, at the six-day mark:

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JungianZoe

Yes, I'm going to necro this thread for a happy update, as well as a comparison of what I experienced before to what a truly amazing electrologist can do.

So I went back to the first electrologist today, the one who uses blend and didn't leave me with any redness or swelling.  The previous session I had with her was in March and none of the hairs have grown back.  The horror I described above was from a session in May with a different electrologist who used flash.  I couldn't feel my chin for 20 days, I swelled up like a whoopee cushion, and the redness didn't subside until the middle of July.  Given that experience, I was a bit nervous doing electrolysis again, even with the good technician from before.

It's been an hour and a half since the session ended, I haven't put anything on this yet, and the only cooling it's had was the full-blast air conditioning that was on in my car during the hour-long trip home.  She spot-cleared my right cheek (on the left in these pictures), did the entire right side of my neck, and the entire area between my lip and chin on the right side.  She said "I'm going to turn this up a bit so you might be a little more red."  I want to show you all what "more red" means from a good electrologist compared to the "you might have some redness" I got from the one in May.



Simply amazing!  This is after only an hour and a half of healing!
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JungianZoe

Thank you, Valerie! ;D  If I ever have a reaction like that again, I'll head over to that site.  But something tells me that if I keep sticking with the electrologist I saw yesterday, I won't have issues.  She does an amazing job!
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JungianZoe

Thanks! ;D  You look even better!
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latingrl

The area around the upper lip area and nose is the most painful.
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