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Do you believe in heaven ?

Started by Anatta, May 28, 2011, 11:29:16 PM

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Do you believe in heaven ?

Yes, some form of blissful afterlife but not necessarily what main stream religion depicts
16 (57.1%)
No, what you see and experience here, is what you get, nothing more nothing less
9 (32.1%)
I'm on the fence with this one
3 (10.7%)

Total Members Voted: 25

Anatta

Kia Ora,

::) Could such a place as heaven really exist  :angel: ? Or is it just a con to try and get people to conform to religious rules  >:-) ?

Metta Zenda :) 
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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LordKAT

There is a song which says heaven is a place on earth. I think that is so and of our own making. You make your life to be what you can. Your attitude about it can make it heaven or hell.
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Arch

"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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Sabriel Facrin

According to my beliefs...
When the physical thought processes cease, the spiritual entity continues on past it.  The process that is now impossible to interject into a vessel causes a feedback effect, giving a ethereal hallucination of an afterlife thematically appropriate to one's own nature.  Roughly, when you die, you will see a loving afterlife if you were a good person, and a horrible afterlife if you were a bad person.  Once spiritual activity runs through a series of chain reactions of experiencing its nature, it eventually calms down and and the more projected portion of the soul dies.  The more central soul will, as a result, 'collapse back to reality' and form a new spiritual connection in what is something akin to reincarnation, but involves merging into newborn souls, because when something is capable of a soul, it will initiate the capability with already having had one.
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Cindy

What Arch said, with spades

Cindy
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Nathan.

No, when you die you cease to exist.
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Amazon D

Quote from: Sabriel Facrin on May 29, 2011, 12:34:17 AM
According to my beliefs...
When the physical thought processes cease, the spiritual entity continues on past it.  The process that is now impossible to interject into a vessel causes a feedback effect, giving a ethereal hallucination of an afterlife thematically appropriate to one's own nature.  Roughly, when you die, you will see a loving afterlife if you were a good person, and a horrible afterlife if you were a bad person.  Once spiritual activity runs through a series of chain reactions of experiencing its nature, it eventually calms down and and the more projected portion of the soul dies.  The more central soul will, as a result, 'collapse back to reality' and form a new spiritual connection in what is something akin to reincarnation, but involves merging into newborn souls, because when something is capable of a soul, it will initiate the capability with already having had one.

I love this explanation.

I feel when we shed our shells we are left with our spirits. That spirit continues on to feel what it has felt during its time here on earth. If during that time it was mean it will spend much time angry in the next world as that spirit tries to stay connected to this world, but knowing when it speaks to people it knew or people in general it won't be heard. However, i do feel some evil can connect with those from this world and direct them to be evil as well. Those who were connected to above during their time here will be able to move on to that place above.
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Anatta

Kia Ora,

::) It's possible it's just ones "thoughts" that will go to heaven or hell  ...Think about it!  :icon_evil_laugh:

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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~RoadToTrista~

I think death is exactly like sleeping, minus the dreams. It could be described as pitch darkness. You aren't aware of it, you have no thought, just, nothing.
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Medusa

As Im interested in astral traveling and similar things, I believe to this scenario:
After death is soul released from body and stay here some short time.
Then continue to dream world where you have everything what you can ever want, every thoughts is satisfied..
And when you find that all material estates is hollow, you can go to place of light and peace (some people say, this place could be visited in deep meditation)
IMVU: MedusaTheStrange
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Anatta

#10
Kia Ora,

  ::) An interesting concept that is held by many "believers" is the reunion in heaven between them and all their loved ones [well the ones that are fortunate enough :angel: to make it there that is]...

Now what I find difficult to grasp about this concept is, where doe this reunion end? That is, does it end only with the people you have known? And if so how about the people they have known? And the people that they have known? Do you get where this is going? Our cavemen ancestors and their ape-like ancestors and their slug-like ancestors who crawled up out of the ocean etc, etc, right back to the origins of life on earth...

But I guess none of this would really matter if one believes in "Adam and Eve" and the earth being just six thousand years old –give or take a thousand  years...

Still it does make one think......Either way heaven would have to be infinite, like an ever expanding environment to accommodate, or a bloody crowded place...Not to mention the "boredom" factor of spending eternity there[what if you don't get on with your neighbours ?]...You would have seen all the episodes of your favourite soaps again and again, read all the interesting books ever published, played untold card games, ate your favourite chocolate till you got sick of the sight of it...The list goes on and on...  ::) And to think this for some people is "HEAVEN"... :o

::) It must be one hell >:-) of a place to live... ;)   

Metta Zenda :)   
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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kate durcal

The soul is divine and incorruptible, it is given to each child at the moment of conception. It goes back to G--d unchanged after your death, despite your good or bad deeds. Your spirit is the generated by your thoughts and deeds. G-d speaks to us trough our souls and it is heard by our spirit who relays the messages to our mind. When you died your mind is no more, but your spirit is metaphysical and seeks G-d and stand near G-d, that is bliss and heaven. An we say Amen

Kate D
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Janet_Girl

Personally, not so much as the Bible would have one believe.  Sorry to my Christian friends.

I do believe in reincarnation.  A lot along the lines of Eastern beliefs.  I am Wiccan and most of us believe in it.  We can come back as any living being.  But once in human form, I think we come back in human form.  Does Karma count in coming back.  Maybe.

But just as in the other beliefs, there is no proof that any of it really exists.

JMHO
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Anatta

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Quote from: Janet Lynn on May 30, 2011, 03:13:35 PM
Personally, not so much as the Bible would have one believe.  Sorry to my Christian friends.

I do believe in reincarnation.  A lot along the lines of Eastern beliefs.  I am Wiccan and most of us believe in it.  We can come back as any living being.  But once in human form, I think we come back in human form.  Does Karma count in coming back.  Maybe.

But just as in the other beliefs, there is no proof that any of it really exists.

JMHO

Kia Ora Janet,

::) Very interesting...How do we know if "anything" really exists????

We "think" things exist...but where does this "thought" come from???

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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angiejuly

I did not see my answer.
Heaven is a metaphor for the life we could make hear on earth. people have been trained to accept and love there servitude and will kill to defend it. Until we live the life of my slogan below The greedy will always own us. The path of love is heaven. What is truly inside you is the heaven or hell you will create with your own consciousness from the perceptual markers you have put into place here on earth school after our dimensional shift (what we call death). You cannot hide from your own judgements of your own atrocities so without forgive and forget you cannot have inner peace, without inner peace you will see your biggest fears because you will create them to you from darkness.
This just is what it is. It is your choice how it ends up for you. I have made mine.
Love you :angel:
We must value ourselves to our attributes and contributions to others and environment and not our ability to aquire monitery value through means of greed and backstabbing. In this system the greedy would eat what the dogs dont want.
a blog on truth,   http://angiejuly.blogspot.com/
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justmeinoz

Never having been there I can't report what it is like, but a belief in an afterlife seems to have been inherent in people since the Neanderthals at least.

My personal inclination, despite being a Christian, is some form of Ecumenical Valhalla where the fight against evil can be fought on all levels, but with an expectation that good will actually win rather than Ragnarok.

I'll let you know when I get there!       Karen.
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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tekla

Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try
No hell below us, above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Anatta

Kia Ora Tekla,

It would seem John no longer is "imagining" I would imagine...But I could be wrong though  ;)

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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tekla

FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Anatta

Quote from: tekla on June 05, 2011, 11:35:10 PM
Ars longa, vita brevis

Kia Ora Tekla,
 
::) So it would seem...I can think of many great artists whose legacy lives on in their music...

Metta Zenda :)


"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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