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KIa Ora,

Who or what is it that 'exists' ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igb4fjxlKGo


Metta Zenda :)

Cogito ergo sum

I exist.

A philosophical unsound argument

Anthropocentrism.

Quote from: Jamie D on January 09, 2014, 03:09:55 AM
Cogito ergo sum

I exist.

Kia Ora Jamie,

But in what form ?

Metta Zenda :)

From whose (or what's) perspective?

Quote from: Jill F on January 09, 2014, 04:02:10 PM
From whose (or what's) perspective?

Kia Ora Jill,

The ego's...

Metta Zenda :)

I have a consciousness that seems to exist because I am experiencing it, and right now my consciousness thinks I am in front of my computer typing a post on susans.org under the subject of Existence. But does my computer or keyboard or susans.org exist? I can't know. I have to listen to the input of my fingers and eyes so I'm sensing the world by proxy, therefore, I can't really trust the input I'm being given as proof of existence. I could be asleep right now, I could be in the Matrix. I don't really know. I also have no idea if anyone will really see this text or that any feed back I do get is coming from anyone other than myself because everything could just be a figment of my imagination.

My consciousness might not even exist I suppose, I could just be experiencing something that I understand as consciousness, somehow. So something has to exist, right?

I had an art teacher who liked to talk about this stuff and we went over it in a Philosophy class I took. Quite the thought exercise.

We all exist in a computer simulation where the "higher being" forgets turn on the regularity between human norms giving us the ability, nay, the right to act how we want to obtain inner peace through use of anything we wish.
But does our method really work?

Well, first let me say... THANK GOD FOR THOSE SUBTITLES! WOULD'VE BEEN LOST WITHOUT 'EM!

The more I learn about science, the more I'm convinced there's a creator of all of this and beyond. Everything around us is a complete illusion comprised of virtually nothing put empty space, it's more energy than matter. If you condensed the solid matter in the Empire State building, it would all fit in a tablespoon (or is it teaspoon? who care?). How can all this matter and energy spring up from nothing?

I believe when I die, I'll appear again in some unimaginable distant universe, as something else in all likelihood. Maybe a higher life form, maybe less, but hopefully a unicorn, I like unicorns.  ;)

Quote from: Misato on January 09, 2014, 11:18:17 PM
I have a consciousness that seems to exist because I am experiencing it, and right now my consciousness thinks I am in front of my computer typing a post on susans.org under the subject of Existence. But does my computer or keyboard or susans.org exist? I can't know. I have to listen to the input of my fingers and eyes so I'm sensing the world by proxy, therefore, I can't really trust the input I'm being given as proof of existence. I could be asleep right now, I could be in the Matrix. I don't really know. I also have no idea if anyone will really see this text or that any feed back I do get is coming from anyone other than myself because everything could just be a figment of my imagination.

My consciousness might not even exist I suppose, I could just be experiencing something that I understand as consciousness, somehow. So something has to exist, right?

I had an art teacher who liked to talk about this stuff and we went over it in a Philosophy class I took. Quite the thought exercise.

Kia Ora Misato,

In true reality(what's really happening in this moment) no neither 'you' nor the things you mentioned exist from their own side...They are just figments of imagination produce by the senses ...

And you my dear lady are just another ego-centric thought (produced by the interaction of two or more of the senses) that thinks it is thinking all this...just as "I" do/am...

::) Now "I" could be wrong, but right and wrong are relative... when it comes to the grand scheme of things... ;) ;D

Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: Emo on January 10, 2014, 12:00:00 AM
We all exist in a computer simulation where the "higher being" forgets turn on the regularity between human norms giving us the ability, nay, the right to act how we want to obtain inner peace through use of anything we wish.
But does our method really work?

Kia Ora Emo,

And perhaps the creator of the computer simulation is also computer simulated and the creator of that simulation is also a computer simulation and.....................................................................................infinitum  ;) ;D

Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: Anatta on January 09, 2014, 01:36:14 PM
Kia Ora Jamie,

But in what form ?

Metta Zenda :)

http://www.amazon.com/Principles-Philosophy-Rene-Descartes/dp/1604597402/ref=sr_1_sc_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1389334594&sr=1-1-spell&keywords=princlples+of+philosophy+decartes

Rene Descartes explains it all for you!

Ego sum res cogitans, id est dubitans, affirmans, negans, pauca intelligens, multa ignorans, volens, nolens, imaginans etiam et sentiens.

I am a rational thing, to wit a doubter, affirmer, denier, understanding little, ignorant of much, wanting, refusing, imagining and feeling.

Quote from: Jamie D on January 10, 2014, 12:17:58 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Principles-Philosophy-Rene-Descartes/dp/1604597402/ref=sr_1_sc_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1389334594&sr=1-1-spell&keywords=princlples+of+philosophy+decartes

Rene Descartes explains it all for you!

Kia Ora Jamie,

Descartes, does not exist and never did exist  ;) ;D

Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: Anatta on January 10, 2014, 12:17:02 AM
Kia Ora Emo,

And perhaps the creator of the computer simulation is also computer simulated and the creator of that simulation is also a computer simulation and.....................................................................................infinitum  ;) ;D

Metta Zenda :)

By Joe, i think we've got it!

Quote from: Nikko on January 10, 2014, 12:10:46 AM
Well, first let me say... THANK GOD FOR THOSE SUBTITLES! WOULD'VE BEEN LOST WITHOUT 'EM!

The more I learn about science, the more I'm convinced there's a creator of all of this and beyond. Everything around us is a complete illusion comprised of virtually nothing put empty space, it's more energy than matter. If you condensed the solid matter in the Empire State building, it would all fit in a tablespoon (or is it teaspoon? who care?). How can all this matter and energy spring up from nothing?

I believe when I die, I'll appear again in some unimaginable distant universe, as something else in all likelihood. Maybe a higher life form, maybe less, but hopefully a unicorn, I like unicorns.  ;)

Kia Ora Nikko,

In a multi universe, you might already be a unicorn whose dreaming it is a human....

Metta Zenda :)

Hmm...
Question?
If we dont exist, then why do we constantly have the urge to exist through keeping hunger away, loneliness at bay, and needing to sleep so we wake up the next day?
It seems we would not feel pain, anguish, or this need to be in a world that didnt exist. Am i right , or spouting insecurities across the spectrum?

Desire

Quote from: Anatta on January 10, 2014, 12:23:28 AM
Kia Ora Nikko,

In a multi universe, you might already be a unicorn whose dreaming it is a human....

Metta Zenda :)

Wouldn't that be cool! I do believe there are infinite instances of others almost identical to each of us out there in the multiverse, I feel very connected to those that look like me. Each direction I look in the night sky, I know my mirror image is looking back at me.  As well as the unicorns, can't leave out the unicorns.  :)

"I" am a meta phenomenon, the comment lines in the universe's code about itself. I am exactly as conscious as the universe is, only much smaller and sassier. I have been assigned certain powers by the architect, and by following my nature I expand those powers. I don't exist independently.

Quote from: MadelineB on January 10, 2014, 04:01:41 AM
"I" am a meta phenomenon, the comment lines in the universe's code about itself. I am exactly as conscious as the universe is, only much smaller and sassier. I have been assigned certain powers by the architect, and by following my nature I expand those powers. I don't exist independently.

By jove, I think she's got it!

Quote from: Nikko on January 10, 2014, 04:21:18 PM
By jove, I think she's got it!

I hope it's not contagious.

Quote from: MadelineB on January 10, 2014, 04:01:41 AM
"I" am a meta phenomenon, the comment lines in the universe's code about itself. I am exactly as conscious as the universe is, only much smaller and sassier. I have been assigned certain powers by the architect, and by following my nature I expand those powers. I don't exist independently.

Lol I like it :)

Quote from: Jenna Stannis on January 10, 2014, 04:55:16 PM

I hope it's not contagious.

Kia Ora JS,

I'm sorry to say it is, and you are starting to show signs....Remember  "I don't exist independently." ;) ;D

Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: MadelineB on January 10, 2014, 04:01:41 AM
"I" am a meta phenomenon, the comment lines in the universe's code about itself. I am exactly as conscious as the universe is, only much smaller and sassier. I have been assigned certain powers by the architect, and by following my nature I expand those powers. I don't exist independently.

Kia Ora Madeline,

I'm impressed by your poetic creativity,  but the "architect" has got me stumped...

Metta Zenda :)

Kia Ora,

The Universe as we are all lead to believe, is in a constant state of flux-continually expanding, so every moment is a moment of events (no moment passes by without an event)...

These events more often than not stimulate the senses of this psycho-physical phenomenon ( the blob of organic matter made up of vibrating energy) which in turn produce the experience of which ones ego is just an abstraction from these experiences ...

So plainly put, it's possible  "I" am simply my "experience" !

Which "I" guess is the same as what Madeline was saying, only she puts it in a more eloquent poetic manner ... :icon_flower:

:eusa_think: So could it be what actually exist is the experience ?

Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: Anatta on January 10, 2014, 08:22:01 PM
Kia Ora Madeline,

I'm impressed by your poetic creativity,  but the "architect" has got me stumped...

Metta Zenda :)

Hi Anatta,
The "architect" has got a lot of us stumped, which may not be the first step to wisdom but is certainly the shifting of weight so we can lift one foot off the ground and move it forward.

If I was being less poetic, and possibly less precise, I would replace 'the architect' with 'the order which I fail to describe because in describing it I would become it'. Watch out for mind-objects that invite you to comprehend them. Opening to comprehend them can lead to all kinds of changes that can be a one-way transformation. This happens to philosophical arguments as well as to human consciousness. It is a fool's errand to try to define out the ambiguities inherent in any statement that takes less than the full duration of the universe, but that's the whole point.

"I" am a fool, a heuristic tool, a gross simplifier. This is a very necessary function. But the function is not the thing.

In my statement/koan/poem I was not naming absolutes, only applying a metaphor to that which defies description. It can however be experienced, and is, by everyone.

The metaphor is not the thing. To the programs running on a computer without intervention, there is no architect, there is only the code, and the inputs outputs and global and local variables. I simplify. However, speaking only of computers and not of universes, we know there is an architect, for the code did not write itself. We know this, because we are the stuff of which architects are made of. If we are clever enough, we can even code an architect module that will plan, organize, code, and integrate new code and new modules. Not as well as a human programmer could, because a code architect runs fast but not wide, where a human mind runs wide but not fast, but good enough, and in that case, the architect module which is itself made of code and intention, would be the architect to all of the code instances contained within its graces.

It takes my entire life and every breathe and every thought just to begin to describe who or what I am in any detail, because in me, like in a window, is reflected a higher order.

This is not a bad thing. It is just a thing.
-Maddie