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Title: beautiful but not passing
Post by: amber roskamp on February 12, 2015, 06:59:36 AM
Post by: amber roskamp on February 12, 2015, 06:59:36 AM
I found a really interesting video of Laverne Cox talking about celebrating trans beauty whether or not they pass.
http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/02/laverne-cox-passing-privilege/ (http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/02/laverne-cox-passing-privilege/)
http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/02/laverne-cox-passing-privilege/ (http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/02/laverne-cox-passing-privilege/)
Title: Re: beautiful but not passing
Post by: Dee Marshall on February 12, 2015, 09:53:28 AM
Post by: Dee Marshall on February 12, 2015, 09:53:28 AM
Made me tear up!
Title: Re: beautiful but not passing
Post by: amber roskamp on February 12, 2015, 11:22:49 AM
Post by: amber roskamp on February 12, 2015, 11:22:49 AM
Yea she is so right about this and many of us within the trans community think that the only Way we can be beautiful is to pass perfectly. Which is sad because there are so many beautiful people in the trans community that think they are ugly cuz they don't "pass"
Title: Re: beautiful but not passing
Post by: Dee Marshall on February 12, 2015, 01:37:22 PM
Post by: Dee Marshall on February 12, 2015, 01:37:22 PM
If I close my eyes and listen to her her voice is very androgynous to me. Looking at her it sounds all female. Doesn't that just warm your heart? It proves to me that a few male traits aren't a dealbreaker.
Title: Re: beautiful but not passing
Post by: barbie on February 12, 2015, 02:21:43 PM
Post by: barbie on February 12, 2015, 02:21:43 PM
Quote from: amber roskamp on February 12, 2015, 06:59:36 AM
I found a really interesting video of Laverne Cox talking about celebrating trans beauty whether or not they pass.
http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/02/laverne-cox-passing-privilege/ (http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/02/laverne-cox-passing-privilege/)
We should be free to proudly pass as ourselves.
Yes! I can not agree more. I can not pass, mainly because of my low voice. People immediately say like "I thought you were a woman" after hearing my voice. I can not hide my identity as I interact with my friends, colleagues, students and new people every day.
barbie~~
Title: Re: beautiful but not passing
Post by: amber roskamp on February 12, 2015, 05:16:34 PM
Post by: amber roskamp on February 12, 2015, 05:16:34 PM
Quote from: barbie on February 12, 2015, 02:21:43 PM
We should be free to proudly pass as ourselves.
Yes! I can not agree more. I can not pass, mainly because of my low voice. People immediately say like "I thought you were a woman" after hearing my voice. I can not hide my identity as I interact with my friends, colleagues, students and new people every day.
barbie~~
That's is so true Barbie! It is a great quote!
Title: Re: beautiful but not passing
Post by: androgynouspainter26 on February 12, 2015, 06:15:28 PM
Post by: androgynouspainter26 on February 12, 2015, 06:15:28 PM
These are rich words coming from a woman who has had a much plastic surgery as Laverne. We can go on all we want about how passing privilege is an unjust thing, but the fact is it's just not going to change. Nobody, not even other trans people would even be listening to what Laverne is saying if she didn't pass. If a trans person doesn't pass, it's wrong for us to deny the fact that their quality of life will just be a lot lower than what everyone else experences.
Title: Re: beautiful but not passing
Post by: Jill F on February 12, 2015, 08:11:31 PM
Post by: Jill F on February 12, 2015, 08:11:31 PM
I thought it was quite uplifting, and she is right on the money about "passing as yourself".
The fact is that Laverne Cox will never "pass" as a cis female because everyone knows who she is and that she makes no secret of her status. I believe that her words and viewpoints are just as valid as those of any other trans* individual, "passing" or not.
The fact is that Laverne Cox will never "pass" as a cis female because everyone knows who she is and that she makes no secret of her status. I believe that her words and viewpoints are just as valid as those of any other trans* individual, "passing" or not.
Title: Re: beautiful but not passing
Post by: Vanny on March 06, 2015, 08:20:41 AM
Post by: Vanny on March 06, 2015, 08:20:41 AM
I live and see us people every month. I love it that they are so brave to live regardless. Everyone knows and I don't think after the first if they could give a anything. I love it here.
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Title: Re: beautiful but not passing
Post by: Vanny on March 06, 2015, 08:31:05 AM
Post by: Vanny on March 06, 2015, 08:31:05 AM
Oh and by the way I am going to start getting out again. I am so encouraged at their strength and beauty.
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Title: Re: beautiful but not passing
Post by: jamesapeat on March 08, 2015, 10:21:01 AM
Post by: jamesapeat on March 08, 2015, 10:21:01 AM
I am very young 17 to be exact. I desire beyond anything I can possible image to trans MTF and I am prepared to start hormones and take a transition slowly and come yo terms with my change as I progress but I don't know where I can find the exact type of estrogen I need at where to get it,
And my family are aware of my feminine touches but haven't a clue of my true intentions... Any advise will be mutch appreciated
And my family are aware of my feminine touches but haven't a clue of my true intentions... Any advise will be mutch appreciated
Title: Re: beautiful but not passing
Post by: Eveline on March 08, 2015, 10:39:00 AM
Post by: Eveline on March 08, 2015, 10:39:00 AM
Quote from: jamesapeat on March 08, 2015, 10:21:01 AM
... I don't know where I can find the exact type of estrogen I need at where to get it ...
Honey, starting hormones is a serious decision, and you should try to see a trans-friendly therapist if you can to discuss things.
It may also be possible for you to start HRT under "informed consent", but that depends on your location. Folks in your area can give more specific information once they know in general terms where you live. :)
Title: Re: beautiful but not passing
Post by: ImagineKate on March 09, 2015, 07:29:00 AM
Post by: ImagineKate on March 09, 2015, 07:29:00 AM
Quote from: jamesapeat on March 08, 2015, 10:21:01 AM
I am very young 17 to be exact. I desire beyond anything I can possible image to trans MTF and I am prepared to start hormones and take a transition slowly and come yo terms with my change as I progress but I don't know where I can find the exact type of estrogen I need at where to get it,
And my family are aware of my feminine touches but haven't a clue of my true intentions... Any advise will be mutch appreciated
Seek out a competent gender therapist. Mind you that they may not allow you to transition until you turn 18, unless your parents consent.
Title: Re: beautiful but not passing
Post by: ThePhoenix on March 09, 2015, 10:52:01 AM
Post by: ThePhoenix on March 09, 2015, 10:52:01 AM
Quote from: Jill F on February 12, 2015, 08:11:31 PM
I thought it was quite uplifting, and she is right on the money about "passing as yourself".
The fact is that Laverne Cox will never "pass" as a cis female because everyone knows who she is and that she makes no secret of her status. I believe that her words and viewpoints are just as valid as those of any other trans* individual, "passing" or not.
I saw an interview with her not too long ago in which she talked about how she etiol walks down the street and gets people taunting her with "you're a man." Apparently not because people recognized her from the media, but because she was not so passable after all.
I thought that was interesting, both because I would not have thought she would have that problem and because maybe she is the beginning of people who don't pass perfectly being considered presentable in the media?
I can wish, anyway . . . .
Title: Re: beautiful but not passing
Post by: StrykerXIII on March 11, 2015, 02:28:26 PM
Post by: StrykerXIII on March 11, 2015, 02:28:26 PM
Passing is 90% attitude. If I can go to a karaoke bar and still get "ma'am'd" after belting out Clapton in my decidedly baritone voice, I can pass anywhere.
Title: Re: beautiful but not passing
Post by: barbie on March 11, 2015, 02:30:39 PM
Post by: barbie on March 11, 2015, 02:30:39 PM
Quote from: StrykerXIII on March 11, 2015, 02:28:26 PM
Passing is 90% attitude. If I can go to a karaoke bar and still get "ma'am'd" after belting out Clapton in my decidedly baritone voice, I can pass anywhere.
I can not pass because of my low voice. Everybody watches me again once they hear my voice. It happens everyday.
barbie~~