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I've undergone laser hair removal on my face (among other areas) for over 2 years and, while I have way way way less hair now than ever, I still have to shave my chin/upper lip/some areas of my neck daily.

I have tried different razors and shaving creams (as well as pre-shaving conditioners) and tried techniques such as stretching my chin, pursing my lip etc -- I always still end up with little tiny hairs even after everything. I get razor cuts at least once a week even though I try to be gentle.

What options do I have to get these tiny hairs off? No razor seems to be able to get to them because of how short they are. (https://i.imgur.com/H6tR9Fh.jpg)

Thanks so much for any advice. This really has upset me for awhile :(

@thelittlemermaid
I understand your frustration but I would think that your Laser technician could best address this kind of issues with possibly additional laser treatments....   

Of course shaving can irritate your skin and the results are so very temporary. 
Again, I would suggest to at the very least talk to your laser tech.

Hugs and well wishes...
Danielle

Quote from: thelittlemermaid on August 27, 2018, 01:28:54 PM
I've undergone laser hair removal on my face (among other areas) for over 2 years and, while I have way way way less hair now than ever, I still have to shave my chin/upper lip/some areas of my neck daily.

I have tried different razors and shaving creams (as well as pre-shaving conditioners) and tried techniques such as stretching my chin, pursing my lip etc -- I always still end up with little tiny hairs even after everything. I get razor cuts at least once a week even though I try to be gentle.

What options do I have to get these tiny hairs off? No razor seems to be able to get to them because of how short they are. (https://i.imgur.com/H6tR9Fh.jpg)

Thanks so much for any advice. This really has upset me for awhile :(

Sorry to hear this - please don't get discouraged, this ain't easy but once you get there you will enjoy the benefits.

After seeing initial results and trying more than one type of laser I quickly switched to electrolysis for my face.  I found laser worked great in other areas but not my face.  Different type of root. 

In some countries laser can only be legally called "permanent hair reduction" while electrolysis is called "permanent hair removal".  With laser some follicles can be eliminated but some are reduced in thickness and may grow back in a year or two. 

@thelittlemermaid
I totally concur with the reply from @Kendra. 

Specifically for me, I had difficulties and irritation with electrolysis and found that Laser worked better mainly because my face hair was very thin and light to start with but we are all different and we will have different reactions to the various treatments and procedures.   

I would suggest that you do talk with your Laser technician and then you might also talk to a local Electrolysis technician if there is one available near your location. 

After consulting with both then you might be able to make a better decision about what your next step would be.

Wishing you well, and I am trusting that you can solve this important issue for your transition success.

Please, if you will, keep us updated.
Hugs,
Danielle

Quote from: Kendra on August 27, 2018, 02:04:40 PM
Sorry to hear this - please don't get discouraged, this ain't easy but once you get there you will enjoy the benefits.

After seeing initial results and trying more than one type of laser I quickly switched to electrolysis for my face.  I found laser worked great in other areas but not my face.  Different type of root. 

In some countries laser can only be legally called "permanent hair reduction" while electrolysis is called "permanent hair removal".  With laser some follicles can be eliminated but some are reduced in thickness and may grow back in a year or two.

Thanks all! This question is not really about the actual hair removal process but how I can shave those tiny tiny hairs completely smooth without cutting myself (considering all the steps I've tried using)

Quote from: thelittlemermaid on August 27, 2018, 02:57:31 PM
Thanks all! This question is not really about the actual hair removal process but how I can shave those tiny tiny hairs completely smooth without cutting myself (considering all the steps I've tried using)

@thelittlemermaid
In that case... I can only suggest a few other things...  a NEW quality safety razor blade or a NEW quality multi-blade razor, and attempt as you have mentioned to pucker or tighten your skin in the areas that you want to shave smooth, come at the hairs at various angles of attack, etc.....   after that I am at a loss as to what other advice I can offer.

Please keep us posted when you find solutions to these issues.
Danielle

Hot towel before shaving to get a closer shave and finish with cold water rinse.

A closer shave will be achieved if the hair is left to grow longer before shaving. I would also recommend a flexible head razor like the Gillette Venus and shaving against the direction of hair growth.

Have you tried an electric razor?

I've used a Norelco all my shaving life and don't have that problem at all.  With a manual razor you are basically pushing the hair against nothing and trying to get it to cut at the skin line. With an electric razor you are using a scissor action. So the hair doesn't have to bend over as its being cut. The Norelco I have even has a "LIFT AND CUT" action in that it actually pulls on the hair a bit before cutting. See: http://tiny.cc/fx1ixy

Just a thought.

Oh hey those look just like the ones that are on my upper lip as well.

From what I can tell there is no good way to cut those with a razor since they grow out at a goofy angle.  They look bigger than they are because they're fairly fat hairs and they end up getting cut at an angle so they look even bigger.

An electric shaver seems to do a better job, in my case a fancy foil razor does the trick but those rotary ones work nicely as well.

The only real way out is to keep burning them away with a laser or electrolysis needle. 

Quote from: GordonG on August 27, 2018, 08:30:28 PM
Have you tried an electric razor?

I've used a Norelco all my shaving life and don't have that problem at all.  With a manual razor you are basically pushing the hair against nothing and trying to get it to cut at the skin line. With an electric razor you are using a scissor action. So the hair doesn't have to bend over as its being cut. The Norelco I have even has a "LIFT AND CUT" action in that it actually pulls on the hair a bit before cutting. See: http://tiny.cc/fx1ixy

Just a thought.

I actually have! The only time I recall in my life getting it super smooth was using one before I transitioned, but everywhere I see says that it's not ideal for trans women. This is a bit of a relief to have someone suggest it!

Quote from: Alaskan Danielle on August 27, 2018, 03:13:07 PM
@thelittlemermaid
In that case... I can only suggest a few other things...  a NEW quality safety razor blade or a NEW quality multi-blade razor, and attempt as you have mentioned to pucker or tighten your skin in the areas that you want to shave smooth, come at the hairs at various angles of attack, etc.....   after that I am at a loss as to what other advice I can offer.

Please keep us posted when you find solutions to these issues.
Danielle

Thank you so much! Any you specifically recommend? I'll include a pic of my razors and products in another reply once I finish replying to each person.

Quote from: Harley Quinn on August 27, 2018, 08:01:44 PM
Hot towel before shaving to get a closer shave and finish with cold water rinse.

How long do you do the hot towel on for? For me it tends to dry pretty fast even if I had it on me for a minute+. I usually shave in the shower where it does get hot and wet.

Here is my roster of what I have for use:

PRE-SHAVING / SHAVING CREAMS:

I first use my face cleanser since I have a full skincare routine (not seen here - can always discuss that in the makeup section!) then then get the shower where I have my fogless mirror etc.

The pre-shaving conditioner I use is the Mario Badescu one but because my stubble hairs are so short as you can see, it doesn't really do much.

The green Gilette gel I use for body shaving, especially legs. Can't say I notice much of a difference between the first two Gilette gels other than that they both work fine for my neck and jawline.

The Mario Badescu cream is what I prefer for below my cheeks / chin but I can't say it really does much.

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RAZORS:

The Venus Embrace top green one is what I use for my legs but find that it doesn't do much.

The Gillette one (third down) is what I use for my neck and jawline - it's fine. Doesn't do anything for my chin/upper lip.

The pink safety one (second down) does an okay job for some of my chin but it's very easy to cut myself with it (especially corners of upper lip and lower lip) because it only does great with longer hairs.

The straight razor is a Merkur 34C (?) and has recommended the blade inserted. I literally see nothing happening, even though I've tried to do the 30 degree angle like directed.

The only real method I have to get the tiny hairs gone (most but not all) is to take compact brow razors and go very close trying to shave off each one individually. Very tedious and rough on the skin!

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AFTER-SHAVING:

The Bump Patrol is fantastic for razor cuts (which I get at least one a week). You put it immediately on right after. Otherwise, the other stuff is okay too.

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I have already had 7 laser hair treatments, but still have tiny hairs. Electrolysis is next, but until then I pluck my upper lip, especially right underneath my nose. I know it will grow back, but it lasts for a few weeks.

Quote from: Violet on August 28, 2018, 12:22:09 PM
I have already had 7 laser hair treatments, but still have tiny hairs. Electrolysis is next, but until then I pluck my upper lip, especially right underneath my nose. I know it will grow back, but it lasts for a few weeks.

You may want to check if that's okay because I've always been told never to do that because it pulls out all that's grown of the hair which in turn slows down electrolysis (you want to have as many hairs available) as well as laser (there is no follicle for the laser to pick up on)

Don't pluck the hairs. Too painful. What I have found as my face is over 50% completed  but I sill have lip hair. I use an eyebrow blade, They call it microplaning. Make sure to prepare you lip hair as you would for regular shaving. Make sure to hold your skin tight for better results.After putting on the cream. take the blade up to the nose and slide downwards c Do this until the area is clear. If you want to do it on the rest of your face go ahead just prepare. When you use this method you not only get a closer shave but you shave off your dead skin. After wiping down feel your skin. It's soft. Now is the time to use your serums as they will now penetrate and help hydrate your skin.  Try it.

Quote from: GordonG on August 27, 2018, 08:30:28 PM
Have you tried an electric razor?

I've used a Norelco all my shaving life and don't have that problem at all.  With a manual razor you are basically pushing the hair against nothing and trying to get it to cut at the skin line. With an electric razor you are using a scissor action. So the hair doesn't have to bend over as its being cut. The Norelco I have even has a "LIFT AND CUT" action in that it actually pulls on the hair a bit before cutting. See: http://tiny.cc/fx1ixy

Just a thought.

The one you sent looks great! Just curious how you prefer rotary over foil? for getting it to look completely smooth. I found my old Braun 3040s foil one so I'm deciding whether to get the one you recommended or get a replacement head.

Quote from: DawnOday on August 28, 2018, 10:26:08 PM
Don't pluck the hairs. Too painful. What I have found as my face is over 50% completed  but I sill have lip hair. I use an eyebrow blade, They call it microplaning. Make sure to prepare you lip hair as you would for regular shaving. Make sure to hold your skin tight for better results.After putting on the cream. take the blade up to the nose and slide downwards c Do this until the area is clear. If you want to do it on the rest of your face go ahead just prepare. When you use this method you not only get a closer shave but you shave off your dead skin. After wiping down feel your skin. It's soft. Now is the time to use your serums as they will now penetrate and help hydrate your skin.  Try it.

Glad to hear somebody else does this! Which ones do you recommend?

Get more laser and electrolysis and it will be gone.
I also have a Tria for in between sessions.  I will pluck dark hairs after laser sessions.  I leave the light ones for electrolysis

Quote from: thelittlemermaid on August 29, 2018, 03:02:37 PM
The one you sent looks great! Just curious how you prefer rotary over foil? for getting it to look completely smooth. I found my old Braun 3040s foil one so I'm deciding whether to get the one you recommended or get a replacement head.

It was suggested to me when I started shaving to try a Norelco by someone I don't remember. My dad used a foil type, probably not as good as todays models, but he was constantly mad at it and buying new blades for it and others that he bought. So I took the suggestion to heart and bought a Norelco, I've never used anything else. I've been very happy with them, and the blades last for years.

Mermaid.. I use Vitamin c and retinol serums. I had bad acne as teen. Now it looks much better as this method also evens out the minor flaws. I find the shave last a day or so longer. My not happen to you as I have been on HRT for two years and my facial hair is not as course as it used to be.

A side effect of Spironolactone (a commonly used anti androgen in MTF estrogen therapy) is clearing up acne. The medication has been prescribed and used safely by women with the condition for years.

Quote from: DawnOday on August 30, 2018, 12:11:13 PM
Mermaid.. I use Vitamin c and retinol serums. I had bad acne as teen. Now it looks much better as this method also evens out the minor flaws. I find the shave last a day or so longer. My not happen to you as I have been on HRT for two years and my facial hair is not as course as it used to be.

I've used Vitamin C in the past as well. Was recently prescibed Ziana (retinoid) but it's been tricky because of not being allowed to use it for 1-2 weeks on my lasered areas post session.

I make a wash clothe hot and steamy and let it sit on my face for about 5 minutes. It softens the hairs enough to get a very close shave. I also shave twice. The first pass gets all the hair and the second pass makes me feel better.

When I was younger I put baby oil on my face and shaved until my skin was super smooth. I never did grow much hair on my cheeks and attribute it to baby oil shaving when I was a young adult. I would not necessarily recommend this because most people would get pimples from this method. I did not get pimples but everyone is different.

I ended up getting a new replacement head for my Braun 3040 electric foil razor. Going to try using it and will let you all know how it goes!

I'm also wondering if I should go back to electrolysis considering how spread out my remaining hairs are. Only thing is I can't stand not being able to shave for 2-3 days for them to be long enough, then having to go out in public :(

I have read mixed reports about plucking eventually eliminating hair regrowth. Personally I have not had success with plucking as the hairs always grow back, but I still pluck anyway whenever I need a quick fix. As soon as I can afford I will get more Laser treatments and then Electrolysis.

Another thing that I do is to shave my face while in a hot shower. I use Noxema cream and a decent razor. After showering I shave again, but with regular shaving cream or gel.

Also, the "Tarte" brand of Concealer is a nice thick product that I use to cover any shadow. Hope this helps! ♥

Quote from: thelittlemermaid on September 03, 2018, 12:39:37 PM
I ended up getting a new replacement head for my Braun 3040 electric foil razor. Going to try using it and will let you all know how it goes!

I'm also wondering if I should go back to electrolysis considering how spread out my remaining hairs are. Only thing is I can't stand not being able to shave for 2-3 days for them to be long enough, then having to go out in public :(

I think you will like that much better. I have used a electric Remington double foil razor most of my life and I have never had this problem. I even use a single foil electric razor on my bikini line. But it has to be the foil type. I don't like the rotary type.

As Kendra stated, Electrolysis is more permanent than Laser. It all depends on what works best for you. If you get better results from electrolysis, then by all means, got back to it.

Some people, like my self, have to go at least 4 or more days to get enough beard growth for electrolysis. There is no way that I know of to get around this. You can try to schedule your sessions for the weekends so your beard will show minimum growth during the week.

Hope this helps.
Donica.

Thanks all once again for the help! I'm back to doing electrolysis in the upper lip/chin area. I've found that my best shaving tool is using those cheap eyebrow razors. Still very difficult because my hair grows so very slowly.

Any recommendations for shaving creams / gels / oils?

I coming to this thread really late... I was struggling after I shaved off my beard (don't ask)... but if you want a close shave then you need to do it 6x... so begin with a foil razor... preferably one that allows you to wet shave with it. Then take a shower to open up the pores. After the shower... wet shave with the grain... then re-lather and wet shave against the grain... then re-lather and wet shave across your face on a 90 degree angle in one direction (becareful doing this)... then re-lather and wet shave across your face in the opposite direction... then re-lather and use the electric foil razor once more... feel your skin for any stubble and make circular motions with the foil razor in those areas... then wash with warm water... pat dry... and moisturise.  You will be as smooth as a baby... BUT sadly it only last a few hours to be that smooth to the touch. Visibility it lasts a little longer but not much longer.