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Okay, it's been eight years since the 9/11 attacks. I think I'll be okay and go about things. But still I break down and start crying at various times during the day  :icon_cry2:

I find many statements from politicians about 9/11 to be pretty humorous...  blaming it on feminists, pro-choice'ers, the LGB, etc. 

I am mostly indifferent to 9/11 and mostly furious about the fake WMD-hunting that occurred using 9/11 as an excuse.

Not only is the day itself very upsetting to me for personal reasons. The Govt's handling and the various ripple effects are upsetting for me as well  :(

^{~Heather models her "Calvin Klien" aluminum lame' beret~}

Somewhat upset.

Jay

I'm indifferent.

I don't feel strongly about death at all, even in cases of this level of violence. It just, doesn't do anything to me.

it's very tragic and it makes me cry to think about it. It doesn't make me angry and crying, just crying, so I didn't vote. :'(  I couldn't care any less about the stupid ignorant politics of it; all I think about is that thousands of mommies and daddies and sons and daughters had their lives snuffed out that day by insane religious extremists and words can't describe how horrible it was. I don't believe in hell, but for anyone who used this tragedy for their own political agenda or gain or monetary gain or any gain whatsoever I'll make an exception and hope there's a special fiery hot place for them all.

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thank you for adding the other option Virginia :-*

I'm indifferent to it. But it still doesn't set well with me. It was a tragedy

I for one was glad to see those responsible, Ossma bin Laden and the Saudi Royal Family brought to justice for..... what?.... nevermind.

I feel sad for the 3000 lost. And the thousands killed to bring those responsible to justices.

We shall never forget.
Janet

Why am I so angry and cry?

Other than the loss of thousands of folks and thousands more over the years...

Not only did I loose a friend, (a person that took a genuine and respectful interest in me and had asked me to go with them for that trip to NY) I lost my job at the time. A few months later one of my cars was repo. Then I was made to live in my van and my credit rating got jacked up.

Well now I have a place again and things are getting better in some ways

Will I ever fully recover or forget? Never

I wear my NY Yankees cap with pride

I couldn't even make it to the market and back without crying today

Quote from: Virginia Marie on September 11, 2009, 09:54:09 PM
Why am I so angry and cry?

Other than the loss of thousands of folks and thousands more over the years...

Not only did I loose a friend, (a person that took a genuine and respectful interest in me and had asked me to go with them for that trip to NY) I lost my job at the time. A few months later one of my cars was repo. Then I was made to live in my van and my credit rating got jacked up.

Well now I have a place again and things are getting better in some ways

Will I ever fully recover or forget? Never

I wear my NY Yankees cap with pride

I couldn't even make it to the market and back without crying today

Sorry for your loss, Virginia. I was far from the events and knew no one affected. I can understand why it's still hard on you after what you went through. <big nero hugs>

I find it interesting that this year, with 9/11/09 falling on a Friday, the words "September eleventh" have seemed to lose their sting; that is, I've heard of various events scheduled for the day without the kind of cringe-factor it evoked in years past. I think all of those unfortunate souls with birthdays on 9/11 can go back to being able to celebrate on that day.

I am still appalled and saddened by what happened that day. The effects of our nation's ill-begotten response on the people of Iraq go beyond appalling to the point of mind-numbing. (Afghanistan is a different and much more complicated story, in my opinion, though also a terribly sad one.)

For the year or so after 9/11, I would read the Portraits in Grief section in the NY Times, and invariably end up in tears at the almost banal ordinariness of the lives of those who died that day. I sometimes imagine a similar but much larger section of obituaries for all those who have died needlessly as a result of the American response to the attacks.

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I wear my NY Yankees cap with pride

F**k the Yankees.  >:-)

Other than that -- I'm sorry for your loss. My sister lost a friend that day as well. :'(

Some of this language is not good for her to wake up to

My pain of that moment is because USA was warned of the attacks and chose to do nothing and warn noone. Bush sucked.

Yes

Quote from: LordKAT on September 12, 2009, 02:51:51 AM
Bush sucked.

Remember when he wanted to use nuclear tipped missles that burrowed to destroy underground bunkers in Iraq? That's when I realised he had lost his mind. As if exploitation of their natural resources and violation of their sovereignty wasn't enough he wanted to use borrowing nuclear bombs.

He and President Cheney really do belong in a war crimes tribunal.

Yes, George W. Bush did not make many good decisions and bungled several things. But is that a reason to hate everyone named George?

When it happened, I was shocked.  Today, I shake my head in sadness and wonder how anyone can hate that much.

Julie

I am mostly upset with the U.S. government for allowing it to happen. I feel bad about the loss of life. Many warning signs were there and the FBI and CIA knew something was up but didn't know what. They screwed up, period.

Quote from: Janet Lynn on September 11, 2009, 09:40:20 PM
And the thousands killed to bring those responsible to justices.
Janet

When did this happen exactly?

Quote from: Mister on September 12, 2009, 10:13:57 AM
When did this happen exactly?

In a little place called Afghanistan.  They are called soldiers.  And the civilians that died at the hands of the Taliban.

Janet

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Yeah, I'm having a hard time thinking anyone was 'brought to justice' for this.  Quite the opposite as a matter of fact.

I'm sure 9/11 would be much more upsetting to me had I personally lost someone that day, but thankfully it didn't hit that close to home for me.

It is, however, a day that makes me sad primarily because I immediately knew it would change everything ... and precipitate yet more death and killing. Here in America it became the catalyst for a hot, ugly air of nationalistic fervor. It fanned the underlying flames of racism and hatred and xenophobia into the open and compelled many to fight religious fanaticism with religious fanaticism. It divided us.

I'm not sure it changed anything, for damn sure it didn't 'change everything' as its advocates wanted everyone to think - it just hurried up something that had been on-going since the sixties.

Quote from: Vega on September 11, 2009, 08:29:55 PM
I'm indifferent to it. But it still doesn't set well with me. It was a tragedy

Me too.

Quote from: Janet Lynn on September 12, 2009, 12:25:30 PM
In a little place called Afghanistan.  They are called soldiers.  And the civilians that died at the hands of the Taliban.

Janet

I'm well aware of the number of soldiers and civilians that have died in Afghanistan, i was wondering when the whole 'people brought to justice' thing happened.

That's the thing, there is and never will be any justice to any of it  :P

^{Anyone wanna buy a tin foil union suit?}

tekla, How is the Saudi Royal family responsible for the unprovoked attacks onThe United States of America which occured on September 11, 2001?

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Last month my girlfriend, Amber, and I visited NYC. We saw the construction site where the WTC north and south towers and the Marriott Hotel once stood.  Across Liberty St adjacent to FDNY Station 10, which lost 6 of its firefighters on Sept. 11, 2001, is the WTC Visitors Center.  The Visitors Center is where one can go to be reminded what occured when we, America, was attacked that day. An unprovoked attack by a few radical Islamic extremists.  They took it upon themselves for whatever reason(s) to start this war. Only God knows what they were thinking. If someone wants to hate America, I have no problem. If someone wants to speak out againts or protest Americas policies, I have no problem. If someone wants to legally immigrate to America and become an American citizen and work through the proper channels; political, judical, etc., to change America, I have no problem.
However, if anyone even wants to think/plan or try to influence others to attack innocent men, women and children of America and innocent men, women and children of foreign countries who are visiting America, then they have a problem. We the people of America will not allow an attack to occur without reprecussion.  I require and fully support our governments response to seek out whom ever was responsibal for the idea, planning, training, aide, assistance or provided harboring of anyone involved. September 11, 2001 was not a tradegy, it was the day that we the citizens of America and our friends and visitors were attacked. I do not agree with all of the actions taken by our government, the invasion of Iraq and the loss of innocents civilian lives but I
am satisfied that Saddam Hussein, his sons and their government and military as also the Taliban was removed.  Our current government, with the same political pary controlling the White House, the Senate and the House of Represenatives, now has the responsibility of managing the war on terrorism. A war not against a country, not against a government but a war against terrorists who want us dead. Our current government and its leaders are now responsible for the protection of all citizens of America. Soon it will of been one year since we changed our government. If our government does not remove all of our military men and women from the war zones then they had better allow and fully support the military in its effort to end this war with total victory by defeat or surrender of all the terrorists forces. And then prepare to defend America once again. Peace & Love, Stephen.

Quote from: StephenL on September 14, 2009, 03:21:14 AM
tekla, How is the Saudi Royal family responsible for the unprovoked attacks onThe United States of America

If you really, really, really want to understand this issue, and are willing to look at it objectively, listen to Osama Bin Laden's speeches. He explains clearly and exactly why they have done the things they have done. There is a lot, and I mean a LOT of propaganda entwined into both him and his movement by the Bushies. I'm not saying they are nice people by any means, but they do have some valid points.

Quote from: Becca on September 14, 2009, 10:43:44 AM
If you really, really, really want to understand this issue, and are willing to look at it objectively, listen to Osama Bin Laden's speeches. He explains clearly and exactly why they have done the things they have done. There is a lot, and I mean a LOT of propaganda entwined into both him and his movement by the Bushies. I'm not saying they are nice people by any means, but they do have some valid points.

I'm glad someone finally pointed this out!  Yes, your enemies may be entirely wrong but until you take the trouble to try and understand why they feel the way they do, there's not a whole lot you can do to tackle it.  The 9/11 attacks were horrific and unjustified but that's not the same thing as unprovoked...not in their minds, anyway.

Know your enemy.

Becca, I am sorry I missed the speech by Mr. Laden where he explained how his god has given him the right to send others to kill inocent men, women & children because he feels he has been done wronged by the United States of America. Please explaine it to me as if I am a ten year old because I just dont understand. If he has a complaint about how the government of the USA has done him wrong take it to the United Nations. Oh I forgot he is not a member of the UN, my bad.

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finewine, excuse me? Mr. Laden is not a government, does not represent a government and does not deserve to be understood. He needs to be killed or captured and put into Leavenworth to explain to our American citizens who our confined for their crimes why he did what he did. If he can convince them that he has a right to order the killing of innocent Americans........ well I doubt he would have the oppurtunity.

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tekla, I am still waiting for an answer.

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Genevieve Swann, ? the US government allowed it to happen. What would you of liked the FBI and CIA to do? Wire taps perhaps, oh thats wrong we would be listening  to private conversations. We dont want Big Brother watching do we?

I composed a fancy response but I highlighted it and hit backspace. I just had this discussion in four week form in a sociology class last term and I'm tired of it. You can listen or read Bin Laden through Al-Jazeera I believe. Nobody said he is right, just that he has some valid points...and I agree that someone who is bent on destroying civil rights and freedoms, tortures innocents, violates the 'rules of war', outright lies and makes up pretenses to justify his actions should never be listened to, hunted down and brought up on war crimes charges.

Here he is, for your deck of playing cards. Hand them out to the troops:

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.evri.com%2Fentity-images%2Fperson%2Fgeorge-w.-bush-0x1beeb.jpg&hash=21f4c49542e3ce7552d1e9c8259c0ecbf73566de)

Oh I saw your'e poking Finewine and Tekla too  :angel:
*goes to make popcorn*

This.

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finewine, excuse me? Mr. Laden is not a government, does not represent a government and does not deserve to be understood. He needs to be killed or captured and put into Leavenworth to explain to our American citizens who our confined for their crimes why he did what he did. If he can convince them that he has a right to order the killing of innocent Americans........ well I doubt he would have the oppurtunity.

Passionately put but none of this contradicts my point, which is that one cannot make progress against ones enemies if you don't understand them.  Bin Laden is just one figurehead of a much larger problem.  Killing him won't change anything, it won't even act as a deterrent to a fundamentalist mentality that would see his execution as a martyrdom.  Of course, he should be punished for his crimes but your fixation on bloody retribution is part of the problem, not the solution.

so mny died! For what?
jj :'(

Yes Heather, you are so right! But girls can be stoned to death ... or not?

jj

yes, unfortunetaly. There are still places in the world where they stone women to death  :'(

Quote from: Virginia Marie on September 15, 2009, 08:01:40 PM
yes, unfortunetaly. There are still places in the world where they stone women people to death  :'(

fixed.

finewine, I do not want bloody retribution. I would prefere life without parole or lethal injection.  Either way Mr. Laden will no longer enjoy his freedom or be able to get others to do his killing for him.  Bloody retribution is just so messy and could be infectious.

Quote from: Mister on September 15, 2009, 08:04:37 PM
fixed.

Yes, you are quite right

jj