I am so jealous have you seen of the girls i mean wow super pretty!!! i am allowed to dream i could be that pretty right or will i be setting myself up for pain? i started this topic because i know it will be a blast to talk about.
uhh how do you mean
any specific "tgirls" in mind.. ? :)
Just have a look around on alder post in other topics its simply unfair but i just started so maybe i am a lucky one who knows
I have to say ALL THE TIME!!!!! My god! I can't understand how they got SO pretty!
Like Trista on here!! OMG! I would give an arm to look that good!
I have no clue what really constitutes "pretty" so all I do is try my best to look my personal best, because that's as far as I can go. ;D
Zoe dont be so negative and politically correct just admit your jealous some times and wish that was you somethings no will blame you
Quote from: LilKittyCatZoey on July 14, 2011, 12:40:06 PM
i am allowed to dream i could be that pretty right or will i be setting myself up for pain? i started this topic because i know it will be a blast to talk about.
Of course you are allowed to dream =) Before I started transitioning I didn't think I would ever pass... but I transitioned any way. Now I can't pass as a boy... and that happened really fast... almost too fast. So, dream away, just try not to anticipate too much and just let things happen... and be patient! =)
Quote from: LilKittyCatZoey on July 14, 2011, 01:30:06 PM
Zoe dont be so negative and politically correct just admit your jealous some times and wish that was you somethings no will blame you
I'm not being negative or politically correct, I just don't apply a great deal of value to traditional notions of beauty. :)
It's like my hair... I could be jealous of girls with super straight hair, but every girl I've met with super straight hair tells me that they're jealous of my wavy hair, so I choose to love my wavy hair and not be jealous of straight-haired girls. I could be jealous of girls who are shorter and have smaller feet because clothing options are wide open compared to someone like me who's 5'11" and wears a size 11 (women's). But then I hear shorter girls say that they're jealous of my height so I make the best of what I have.
But when it comes to transwomen who actually grow breasts... okay, that makes me jealous. :laugh:
Quote from: VannaSiamese on July 14, 2011, 01:36:00 PM
Of course you are allowed to dream =) Before I started transitioning I didn't think I would ever pass... but I transitioned any way. Now I can't pass as a boy... and that happened really fast... almost too fast. So, dream away, just try not to anticipate too much and just let things happen... and be patient! =)
And now your a super pretty girl your sooo lucky i heavily doubt i will be any where near your change but i guess our bonus is age but also maybe you have great genetics Vanna.
Hey i am young wanting to look super pretty is like naturally puberty stuff ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I dont think I get jealous, because I cant imagine the crap each and every person went through to become a beautiful woman. Self esteem is also something that many of us dont have and it takes a long time to build that back up. And I know in time, I will no longer look male.
Its just the waiting that I hate most. But, I do believe that everyone has a 'Look at me now' moment when they think back to life before transition and all the negative people who tried to knock them down by say "there is no way you will ever pass." ;)
Goshi i aint trying to knock you down i am simply saying that some of us are very pretty and did you ever get jealous i am a curious kitty and as we all know curiosity killed the cat :D :D :D :D :D :D
I get jealous every once in a while but, most mostly when I see a pretty girl, trans or not, jealousy isn't my first reaction, attraction is, but I guess that stops me from being super jealous. I dunno, maybe it is harder on the straight transwomen to see some very attractive girl?
I basically don't know how I will look, but I do know it could be alot worse, so maybe that helps me mentally with it.
I am currently attracted to both but not attracted its like impossible to explain
So see every pretty person as super prewtty ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: LilKittyCatZoey on July 14, 2011, 01:47:43 PM
Goshi i aint trying to knock you down i am simply saying that some of us are very pretty and did you ever get jealous i am a curious kitty and as we all know curiosity killed the cat :D :D :D :D :D :D
I know hun. ^_^
But no, I didn't. I was jealous of my friends I had online when they finally started HRT and I hadn't. It felt like being left behind.
Jealousy is an empty emotion...discard it, all it does is twist you up inside. Besides, what's the point in being jealous of someone else, their story is their own, just as yours is and if you've barely begun yours it's far better to concentrate on your journey, not someone elses.
Besides, 90% of pretty girls don't think their pretty, despite what people tell them.
Quote from: Neko on July 14, 2011, 02:19:08 PM
Jealousy is an empty emotion...discard it, all it does is twist you up inside. Besides, what's the point in being jealous of someone else, their story is their own, just as yours is and if you've barely begun yours it's far better to concentrate on your journey, not someone elses.
Besides, 90% of pretty girls don't think their pretty, despite what people tell them.
Haha missy depressing :D :D and haha i have that attitude about my boy looks
omg i am so jealous of alot of the girls i have seen on here but it also gives me hope that i could look that good one day i havent started hrt yet but hoping to soon so who knows maybe i might be one of those super pretty girls one day till theni will just keep dreaming about it
Quote from: drkiara on July 14, 2011, 02:28:33 PM
omg i am so jealous of alot of the girls i have seen on here but it also gives me hope that i could look that good one day i havent started hrt yet but hoping to soon so who knows maybe i might be one of those super pretty girls one day till theni will just keep dreaming about it
Try start puberty blockers in the mean time and i know i just started and still dream hehe
Quote from: Neko on July 14, 2011, 02:19:08 PM
Jealousy is an empty emotion...discard it, all it does is twist you up inside. Besides, what's the point in being jealous of someone else, their story is their own, just as yours is and if you've barely begun yours it's far better to concentrate on your journey, not someone elses.
Besides, 90% of pretty girls don't think their pretty, despite what people tell them.
VERY well-stated, especially that last sentence! I don't know how many times I tell one of my best friends (not trans) how beautiful she is, but she doesn't seem to see it. The other day, a clerk at a boutique shop asked if she and I were related and I thought it was the most flattering compliment I could have received given how pretty my friend is. And yet, she never sees her own beauty.
Quote from: Neko on July 14, 2011, 02:19:08 PM
Jealousy is an empty emotion...discard it, all it does is twist you up inside. Besides, what's the point in being jealous of someone else, their story is their own, just as yours is and if you've barely begun yours it's far better to concentrate on your journey, not someone elses.
Besides, 90% of pretty girls don't think their pretty, despite what people tell them.
I did discard mine. I started HRT ^_^
And yes I agree with you on the last sentence. My best friend says I am pretty all the time, I've had the girl I have a crush on tell me I look like a pretty girl already, no need for FFS, and a bunch of other people online say things like that too. Maybe I am. Maybe I'm not. either way I dont really agree. I'm not saying I am pretty, just that I dont quite agree with their opinion. Someday I might feel otherwise.
Quote from: Keaira on July 14, 2011, 02:47:33 PM
Maybe I am. Maybe I'm not. either way I dont really agree. I'm not saying I am pretty, just that I dont quite agree with their opinion. Someday I might feel otherwise.
LIke words taken from my soul
people have different perceptions of what beauty or pretty is. some see it as outward appearance while others see it as whats inside :)
The grass will always appear greener on the other side.
I get pretty jealous some days, but I hold out hope that I've still got some wonderful changes waiting for me ahead
Jealous? No not really. Perhaps intimidated that I don't quite measure up to the superficial standards that they project.
Quote from: Sarah7 on July 14, 2011, 03:58:42 PM
For me, it's the opposite. All the pics of fantastic looking girls, especially those closer to my age and appearance, give me hope for how people might eventually see me.
This. I still have fears about transitioning, but the results many have achieved have made me more hopeful that I might have good results as long as I put in some effort and keep realistic expectations. Although, I can't say I don't envy attractive women. It can be a stark reminder of the state of my own body.
Quote from: Sarah7 on July 14, 2011, 03:58:42 PM
For me, it's the opposite. All the pics of fantastic looking girls, especially those closer to my age and appearance, give me hope for how people might eventually see me.
I feel the same way, beautiful transgirls give me hope. When I saw some of the transformations and especially what ffs could do I realized that I could transition too.
Who I'm jealous of are the cisgirls. I want hips like they have!
I used to but I don't get jealous anymore. I look at myself in the mirror and wish I had a slimmer jaw or a skinnier nose. But you know what? All the wishing in the world won't change that and if I did get surgery to make that happen it would probably end up making me look worse than before. As far as having tanked in the boob department, that's a super easy surgical correction so all I have to do is decide how big to go.
not me.....not jealous of anyone
The dream body is a smaller than average girl, very delicate (like, too delicate), with pale skin, big eyes, very cute (but not necessarily "pretty") and all that. Of course I would be jealous of those smaller, cuter, smaller-framed, etc. girls. But it is important for such feelings not to submerge me. If I despair because I can't be super everything I want, not only will I be denied transition, but I will also lose my very drive to live... Again.
Personally I'm not really, but then I was born short, small, etc. Didn't do a lot of things that committed me to being male like growing old and starting a family either, so most things are going well. I think I will look fine with HRT though my shoulders bug me sometimes. But yeah I mostly envy cisgirls who can just naturally be themselves and never had to think about any of this stuff or feel afraid of being who they are (at least in terms of gender).
... i just remind myself that a lot of the "supposed T-girls" out there that look like totally GGirls ARE GG with photoshop work now .. dont get me wrong the stuff mother nature gave us to work with and what you can do with it is amazing and barring genetics a sergeons knife or saw (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ft3.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcQAtMvEOJTbclwcMeJWME75jnAM2ZhQx2zG8vUkliuH9ejuY4E22g&hash=325bcae122c602005a0cebe6d850cf60a797adcf) or worse god forbid its a porn site where they just composite some girls pic with some guys junk *rolls eyes* my personal curse is taking apart bone structures and bodies at a glance - but on the good side , we just do the best we can and to heck with the rest . although there are some drop dead lookers here ... and then .. theres me . *hangs head *
A lot of the young, super pretty T-girls I know are jealous of me, not my looks so much, as this old trans-bat looks like she does. They are jealous of the fact I've got MONEY to go ahead with my transition.
Money isn't everything, but it keeps the kids in touch!!
Quote from: Vicky on July 15, 2011, 12:38:48 AM
A lot of the young, super pretty T-girls I know are jealous of me, not my looks so much, as this old trans-bat looks like she does. They are jealous of the fact I've got MONEY to go ahead with my transition.
Money isn't everything, but it keeps the kids in touch!!
Heh, I like this. While I'm still in between school and a full time job, I was lucky enough to have a co-op during uni that paid $30-40k a year. So I have a bit saved up and am loving being able to pursue various things as I wish. Of course not the major steps, but then again I'm only half a year into HRT with no intent of making the switch full time just yet. I plan to get all my ducks in order before making a quick clean cut in my life. I hate dealing with messy loose ends.
Before I get into a response to the OP, the word you're looking for is envy, not jealousy. Sorry to get all grammar-bitch on you, but I'm big on word choice.
Hmm, I prepared a nice paragraph I know too many will take and paint me a creep. So I'll just say it plain and simple. I'm envious the little ones who get to enjoy youth without the dregs of an undesired body defect poured into their, otherwise, delicious cup of life. As for the t-girls who transitioned before hormones ravaged their body, I don't really hold any envy towards them, only regret. Regret that I didn't act when I'd been sitting on my misery for five years, when I was eleven.
And something random @Zoe, I have super fine straight hair, near black. I love it every day. It used to get wavy just before the nape of my neck and it would drive me nuts, but not any more. Just thought I'd tease a little :3
Quote from: AprilAero on July 15, 2011, 01:26:21 AM
I tend to be jealous of beautiful girls in general, but a lot of transgirls tend to be jealous of me. tho I feel sometimes I don't look good, I might get some FFS one day.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ak-snc6%2F264864_10150257698276484_661291483_7426007_3458515_n.jpg&hash=7f0b2cf9c1222cd67af057044295260751438e6d)
+1 for Samus Aran. Screw you defined gender roles! I'd also have accepted the Pyro from TF2. :3
Quote from: Whitney on July 15, 2011, 01:24:32 AM
And something random @Zoe, I have super fine straight hair, near black. I love it every day. It used to get wavy just before the nape of my neck and it would drive me nuts, but not any more. Just thought I'd tease a little :3
You know, I used to straighten mine religiously. Wouldn't be caught dead leaving the house without spending three or four minutes with the flatiron (my hair's not really curly, just has long waves that sometimes form into big ringlets). Then I was running late for work one day and didn't have time to straighten at all, and for the first time ever, people complimented my hair! ;D So I began wondering why I was taking the time to do something that resulted in no compliments at all and gave up the straightening. Now I usually get four or five people (we're talking random strangers) complimenting my hair every week.
I wouldn't give up my wavy hair for anything... :laugh:
Quote from: LilKittyCatZoey on July 14, 2011, 12:40:06 PM
I am so jealous have you seen of the girls i mean wow super pretty!!! i am allowed to dream i could be that pretty right or will i be setting myself up for pain? i started this topic because i know it will be a blast to talk about.
I'm envious of T girls who show no physical signs that they are a T girl and they look totally genetic. They don't have to look like models, just natural and homely. I'm envious of not getting the right female fat distribution (hips, butt etc) which are all female gender indicators. I'm also envious that HRT worked much better on others than it did on me.
I just want to think I look hott.
Somedays I feel beautiful, somedays I feel like i stand out.
Thats where I am conflicted. I dont mind standing out if it means I am hott and sexy, but I dont want to stand out because ilook like a man ind drag.
either way, its all about how I feel on the inside. No one can say anything to make me feel any different. It is something I have to deal with.
if by some weird chance EllenPage turned out to be trans in some form or another then for sure! Otherwise I'll just continue focusing my drool towards her!
I think my true issue is i cannot see myself as anything good i mean given a choice i would rather be "not pretty" and be a girl then "handsome" and be a boy so pretty much be a girl anyway i just wondered if i am the only one who gets jealous
thought provoking thread. Jealousy is perfectly fine, such as admiration, judgement and assessment, all those are "built in" equipment as standard when we roll of the assembly line. Beauty is mathematics and geometry, there is such as perfection but sometimes anomaly may become exquisitely beautiful even though it does not fall within confines of the beauty mask criteria. Then there is inner glow, wisdom and love which is literally disjointed from exterior facets, one can be beautiful in aether department or both but rarely they them selves perceive it as beauty, because it is just, them selves. Beauty then seems the radiating force or image in the outward direction and the source then is unaware of it because it emits such and does not receive the same.
You are all beautiful, creations of the universe, and perhaps in the eyes of existence, every moment you fulfill here, existing, is as valuable and beautiful because it just is.
It's always either the really pretty ones or the ones that can't get pretty at all that say it's whats on the inside that counts! Seriously!!!
I'm sure beauty on the inside is very important but if you want to have a decent amount of self confidence and feel attractive you need to be pretty. Those who can't get there, give up and say it's what on the inside and the ones that are already super pretty say that to mollify all those that are super jealous of them.
I'm quite certain i'll be chasing a dream for the rest of my life. It's tiring and exhausting, but I have an image in my head of what I'm meant to look like and until I get there, I won't be satisfied. What makes it worse is..time is running out!
I'm quite jealous of all the younger girls transitioning because I KNOW their bodies will be able to change so much more towards what their minds eye sees. I missed the boat by 5 years at the least, likely even more if I wanted smaller feet (I SO DO! Size 12 sucks!!!!).
Quote from: inna on July 15, 2011, 09:33:23 AM
thought provoking thread. Jealousy is perfectly fine, such as admiration, judgement and assessment, all those are "built in" equipment as standard when we roll of the assembly line. Beauty is mathematics and geometry, there is such as perfection but sometimes anomaly may become exquisitely beautiful even though it does not fall within confines of the beauty mask criteria. Then there is inner glow, wisdom and love which is literally disjointed from exterior facets, one can be beautiful in aether department or both but rarely they them selves perceive it as beauty, because it is just, them selves. Beauty then seems the radiating force or image in the outward direction and the source then is unaware of it because it emits such and does not receive the same.
You are all beautiful, creations of the universe, and perhaps in the eyes of existence, every moment you fulfill here, existing, is as valuable and beautiful because it just is.
Simply love it :D :D :D just like poetry and your right every single person looks beautiful in someones eyes its the weird but awesome nature of the universe.
Quote from: Vicky on July 15, 2011, 12:38:48 AM
A lot of the young, super pretty T-girls I know are jealous of me, not my looks so much, as this old trans-bat looks like she does. They are jealous of the fact I've got MONEY to go ahead with my transition.
Money isn't everything, but it keeps the kids in touch!!
Makes me jealous. Money makes the body turn faster :)
I'm jealous of Bridget Jones!
Quote from: Neko on July 14, 2011, 02:19:08 PM
Jealousy is an empty emotion...discard it, all it does is twist you up inside. Besides, what's the point in being jealous of someone else, their story is their own, just as yours is and if you've barely begun yours it's far better to concentrate on your journey, not someone elses.
I couldn't agree with you more. This has been a lifetime struggle for me.
Quote from: Neko on July 14, 2011, 02:19:08 PM
Besides, 90% of pretty girls don't think their pretty, despite what people tell them.
My family and the women I've loved have burned that fact right into my brain. Nothing will teach you about the dark side of female beauty like growing up in a house full of women.