I dont think there is any question that appearance of surgical outcomes is very high on all of our priority lists when choosing a surgeon. I'm not going to browse thru the terms of service for info, but, are we permitted to post post op photos of the surgeons work? If no, then why not?
It may be safer to use PMs, I know google caches images from this site, though I do not know if that also applies to the "just for us" section or not. I do have to admit I am eager to see more of Dr. Saran's work, what I have seen so far does seem pretty favorable, but I would like a larger sample size.
All surgeons make mistakes, and all have exceptional results from time to time, but with a larger sample size we can get an idea of the consistency of results. I think you are doing the community a great service by sharing such personal information, and helping people make informed choices.
As far as the TOS, I don't know, but I am sure a mod will chime in soon enough and explain if it is or isn't.
I do not see a problem with posting results; however, most of us are stealth on this site so that we do not want someone coming on this site and tracking us. I think they have a general place for pictures and they might be able to show results by surgeon.
Actually I have also been worried about facial surgery. I have seen pictures by some surgeons and the results are not impressive. Yet I have met people that have been to same surgeon and they looked great! Imagine I was more impressed with live results than pictures that surgeon could select. Go figure!
People have told me results that seem difficult for SRS. However Susan's has given me information that is more accurate than experienced doctors and endos. Your best offense is to learn study and ask questions.
Therefore the question becomes how do we protect identity of individuals as opposed to sharing pictures. FYI many people will share lots of stuff with you off line.
I would def do it through PMs.
Many doctors have pictures that you can see on their website. The big difference is, those pics are anonymous and you are not ;)
I wouldn't be displaying my Vay jay jay online with it attached to my identity. But that's just me.
don't forget to check out transbucket.com for photos by surgeon and by procedure that have already been posted
Quote from: RyanThomas on July 25, 2011, 09:58:12 PM
don't forget to check out transbucket.com for photos by surgeon and by procedure that have already been posted
Thank you, I hadn't heard of that site. I was looking for a yahoo group or something that might exist for the same purpose, but that site seems very much what I was looking for.
yeah it includes both the good and bad results of each surgeon and you can cross-reference it and everything. no need to post pictures of your own genitals :P
Sexually explicit pictures may not be posted. That would include post-op genital photos.
transbucket is okay but it is much more FTM focused, it only has 2 or 3 MTF photos.
-Lef
I would take any picture with a grain of salt. As I've been lead to believe, and I would agree with based on other experiences, the pictures you see anyways are either going to be the very best or the very worst the given doctor has to offer. Your results will likely end up somewhere in the middle of those two extremes. I wouldn't go to a surgeon just becuase of their amazing pictures any more then I would avoid them becuase of their bad pictures. Remember also that results are dependant on the individual patient as is healing which I think would play a major role in the final outcomes. Not following the after care instructions just as much as being diabetic or a smoker (both causes of poor circulation) would have as much of an impact, if not more, then the skill of the surgeon. In this case, pictures don't speak 1000 words, it may be what they're not saying (poor follow up, etc) and not surgical technique that lead to poor outcomes.
Quote from: Lisbeth on July 26, 2011, 02:32:26 PM
Sexually explicit pictures may not be posted. That would include post-op genital photos.
may i ask why the hell not? if this truly is a "support" website and a website that is intended to be a source of resource for the transgender community, why not? certainly you would agree that one of the highest concerns somebody has when picking a surgeon is "let me see pictures of the results." The website is already marked "adult content" on the internet. I really dont understand why pix are not allowed. surely there's enough yabba dabba bull->-bleeped-<- on here that photos of different sugeons results would be welcomed.
There are always good reasons why the rules here are what they are. The purpose of this rule (as with the others) is to protect the people on this site. Posting sexually explicit photos may be triggering for some people with an abuse history (or with sexual compulsion issues, or for many other reasons). And sadly, posting such pics will also attract the attentions of the kind of internet trolls you really don't want visiting and commenting and PM'ing you.
So the sensible compromise is that this way, people on here get a choice as to whether they look or not, if someone offers to show pics via PM to a link or whatever. That way, everyone gets what they want - both protection and information.
To be honest, I don't care to view your "Vajayjay"... But thanks all the same :)
Quote from: Padma on July 27, 2011, 04:46:13 AM
There are always good reasons why the rules here are what they are. The purpose of this rule (as with the others) is to protect the people on this site. Posting sexually explicit photos may be triggering for some people with an abuse history (or with sexual compulsion issues, or for many other reasons). And sadly, posting such pics will also attract the attentions of the kind of internet trolls you really don't want visiting and commenting and PM'ing you.
So the sensible compromise is that this way, people on here get a choice as to whether they look or not, if someone offers to show pics via PM to a link or whatever. That way, everyone gets what they want - both protection and information.
yeah, you're right.....even though other sites are able to, I guess there's no way to keep a picture anonymous on here. I got news for ya, there's already internet trolls on this site posing as members
There are also people under 18 that vist this site. While those pictures are readily available on non-porn websites for anyone and everyone to view, I for one would hate to see a "concerned" parent threaten to shut this site down for those reasons - I've seen it happen before in other forums. :(
As any of the other reasons, like I said, its readily available elsewhere and I don't think we need to be yet another site hosting those pictures. Actually, now that I think about it, what process would we use to verify that it was the vajayjay someone claimed it to be anyways?
Whether they can be deemed sexually explicit is determined by the viewer. Showing medical photographs of a post op vaginoplasty would, in my opinion, not arouse anyone. The images burned into my brain of my own post op vajayjay can best be described as the aftermath of a slaughter. If you consider that sexually arousing, you are one sick puppy.
At the other extreme, the completely healed vagina with the owner engaged in penetration of some sort, yeah, I can see that being seen as sexually explicit.
For me, I have no desire to see either, or anything in between. I cautiously scrolled down this thread to make sure no images would be burned into my brain. If medical photos are approved and posted, IMHO there has to be a warning in the title.
I agree with Julie's assessment....a post op photo that is medically related is NOT a sexually explicit photograph and I do believe that the other "reasons" are nothing but yabba dabba BS.
If this site is to be a COMPLETE TG support website, there needs to be a section where we can view photos of each surgeons work, unbiased pix of course.....period!
Quote from: Jamie Nicole on July 28, 2011, 12:45:46 AM
I agree with Julie's assessment....a post op photo that is medically related is NOT a sexually explicit photograph and I do believe that the other "reasons" are nothing but yabba dabba BS.
If this site is to be a COMPLETE TG support website, there needs to be a section where we can view photos of each surgeons work, unbiased pix of course.....period!
you may regret if you post pics of your vay jay jay on an open forum. Open forum meaning it is very easy to sign up and become a member here and anyone can see it.
I do not think medical pictures are porn either so I def agree with you on that point.
I only speak about this because from last October to April I was a victim of a stolen identity. Some person stole my pics and were cyber sexing on another trans site. Also, this person was falsely identifying me as a Psychiatrist (and posing as me) and it got back to my school where the burden of proof was on my shoulders (giving oneself the credentials of a Doctor and then "treating" people on Yahoo Answers is a serious breach of trust...especially with the degree I am getting). Thankfully, I was able to prove it was not me and the offender was stop.
I know that is different from using my face pics compared to surgery results of a vagina but the threat that someone can do something to your pic that you had no intentions of doing still exists (because your forum name and face pics can be tied to it). Many trans support sites do not allow posting pics of genitals for this very reason. I would just be very careful.
Quote from: Annah on July 28, 2011, 01:12:36 AM
you may regret if you post pics of your vay jay jay on an open forum. Open forum meaning it is very easy to sign up and become a member here and anyone can see it.
I do not think medical pictures are porn either so I def agree with you on that point.
I only speak about this because from last October to April I was a victim of a stolen identity. Some person stole my pics and were cyber sexing on another trans site. Also, this person was falsely identifying me as a Psychiatrist (and posing as me) and it got back to my school where the burden of proof was on my shoulders (giving oneself the credentials of a Doctor and then "treating" people on Yahoo Answers is a serious breach of trust...especially with the degree I am getting). Thankfully, I was able to prove it was not me and the offender was stop.
I know that is different from using my face pics compared to surgery results of a vagina but the threat that someone can do something to your pic that you had no intentions of doing still exists (because your forum name and face pics can be tied to it). Many trans support sites do not allow posting pics of genitals for this very reason. I would just be very careful.
the trick is to post anonymous and only identifying the surgeon and days/weeks post op. I personally feel it would benefit many people in having a reliable place to view any surgeons work and really help in choosing a surgeon. to make it further easier, some info could be posted such as "patient is 5'10" 175 lbs and penis size.....so that a better comparison could be made. Otherwise, I really feel that the credibility of Susan's is severely diminished!
as I said before, I can tell by some of the questions and content of some posts, that there are already internet trolls and perverts browsing this site......keep the member anonymous and problem solved!
the surgeons that specialized heavily on SRS has lots of before and after pics on their website.
If it was a botched surgery then I can definitely see the point in posting the pics to warn other girls but if it went smoothly I would kinda figured they can see all those pics on the Docs' websites because vaginoplasty results usually look the same from the doctor doing it and is very different from FFS where every face is different.
Also, I can see the anon position and that makes sense.
Quote from: Annah on July 28, 2011, 02:10:01 AM
the surgeons that specialized heavily on SRS has lots of before and after pics on their website.
If it was a botched surgery then I can definitely see the point in posting the pics to warn other girls but if it went smoothly I would kinda figured they can see all those pics on the Docs' websites.
Also, I can see the anon position and that makes sense.
personally, I would never trust any physician that only shows his/her best work. I'm very adament about this because I made my decision blindly, not knowing anyone personally that used my surgeon. granted, there were a few pics on his website, but wasnt very sufficient. I'm very lucky in that my results are some of his best thusfar. But, I would've benefited greater had there been a "respectable" and trusted site that I could view more results.
Without this ability or willingness of susans to create such a place on the site, I feel maybe susans is not as good as it should be.
before Anne Lawrence stopped updating her website "transsexual womens resources" it was absolutely the best informative website around. Someone needs to pick up the slack. she had pics of each surgeons work (patient anonymous) and some patient testimonials..............
Quote from: Jamie Nicole on July 28, 2011, 02:17:08 AM
Without this ability or willingness of susans to create such a place on the site, I feel maybe susans is not as good as it should be.
You've made alot of good points, however there are far too many variables in post-op recovery to say that any one (or a dozen) pictures is going to represent the end results for anyone other then the person who's end results they are. In my experience, susans has been very good about organizing information on the various surgeons from contact information to memebers personal stories/reccomendations.
Do you buy a car just by looking at the picture on the internet? No. It takes more then just a picture (or at least it should) of a surgeons work to decide if they're the right one for you.
Quote from: Jamie Nicole on July 28, 2011, 02:19:28 AM
before Anne Lawrence stopped updating her website "transsexual womens resources" it was absolutely the best informative website around. Someone needs to pick up the slack. she had pics of each surgeons work (patient anonymous) and some patient testimonials..............
While I am no fan of Anne Lawrence in the least, this is a good point, the pictures were nice in that they were not just the "best" results. Basically the description told if it was a patient submitted or doctor submitted result and that means alot.
@Regan: Well, you don't buy a car off the internet by just it's picture, but you sure as heck don't want to buy the car on the description alone with no pictures. The problem is, when you live on the other side of the world from Thailand, all you can really do is look at pictures, try and talk to people who went to that doctor, or fly to that doctor and have him personally tell you he is the best and show pictures of his best results. I mean, you can't test drive an SRS surgeon.
Regan.... Ur reply is so off base it's not really
Worth a comment. Pictures of surgeons work on a trustworthy
Website is a basic need. It gives the patient a general
Idea about the surgeons quality.
So, my question to you is this... You don't care about seeing
Any surgeons work?
Quote from: Jamie Nicole on July 28, 2011, 08:59:50 AM
Regan.... Ur reply is so off base it's not really
Worth a comment. Pictures of surgeons work on a trustworthy
Website is a basic need. It gives the patient a general
Idea about the surgeons quality.
So, my question to you is this... You don't care about seeing
Any surgeons work?
You're taking what I said out of context.
A post-op picture is a guarantee of one thing, that individual's results. Even then, there's always the chance it was photoshopped anyways. Read my earlier post, there are going to be two kinds of pictures out there - the really good and the really bad. What I was saying was don't base your opinion on pictures alone, nor should you base it on one person's description of their surgeon. Really, with few exceptions, everyone is going to love their surgeon if only for one reason, they owe their vajayjay (the transgender holy grail) to them. Don't think that's not going to cloud their judgement nor is the fact that no one wants to admit they're disappointed in their $10k vajayjay.
Would it be wrong for susan's to host post-op pictures? No. But I don't think that's the mission of the website either, and until it is, I can't fault susan's for choosing not to host them either.
There is also another variables and they are large. It is cost and time.
I can understand Susan's being sensitive to privacy and sexually explicit materials.
I also understand value of pictures.
As a general rule best surgeons cost more and doing little procedures over time costs more than many procedures at one time.
Then if we never make a decision our life will eventually end and we saved all surgeries.
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Process of going from MTF is very invasive and very visible to everyone that knows you. We chat with each other about shots, hair removal, clothes, make-up, sexual orientation, growing breasts, and turning your penis inside out. Pictures for educational purposes are good and can give you some expectations. However discussions are also good. My expectations were way off from reality.
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There are also lots of variables that pictures do not show such as: speed of healing, complications, methods to dilate, cleaning procedures, ability to have an "o", satisfactions of both partners in results, etc. You can learn a lot without pictures.
I think I saw a table of satisfaction ratings for several surgeons on Susan's.
Pictures are good but if they are going to cause integrity issues for administrators then we will have to talk with words. Do remember that most people will share things with you off-line.
Quote from: regan on July 29, 2011, 07:32:48 AM
You're taking what I said out of context.
A post-op picture is a guarantee of one thing, that individual's results. Even then, there's always the chance it was photoshopped anyways. Read my earlier post, there are going to be two kinds of pictures out there - the really good and the really bad. What I was saying was don't base your opinion on pictures alone, nor should you base it on one person's description of their surgeon. Really, with few exceptions, everyone is going to love their surgeon if only for one reason, they owe their vajayjay (the transgender holy grail) to them. Don't think that's not going to cloud their judgement nor is the fact that no one wants to admit they're disappointed in their $10k vajayjay.
Would it be wrong for susan's to host post-op pictures? No. But I don't think that's the mission of the website either, and until it is, I can't fault susan's for choosing not to host them either.
No, I dont think I am. If anyone thinks that their result will be identical to any photograph, they need to be committed to an insane asylum! Creating a series of photographs for each surgeon will really provide each of us more information in choosing a surgeon....reliable information (pics).
The mission of the website is to provide adequate resources for the tg community.....unfortunately, I believe that photographs of surgeons work is pretty high up on the list and until susans provides such, it is a subpar website....this is just my opinion.
Quote from: wendy on July 29, 2011, 01:00:52 PM
There is also another variables and they are large. It is cost and time.
I can understand Susan's being sensitive to privacy and sexually explicit materials.
I also understand value of pictures.
As a general rule best surgeons cost more and doing little procedures over time costs more than many procedures at one time.
Then if we never make a decision our life will eventually end and we saved all surgeries.
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Process of going from MTF is very invasive and very visible to everyone that knows you. We chat with each other about shots, hair removal, clothes, make-up, sexual orientation, growing breasts, and turning your penis inside out. Pictures for educational purposes are good and can give you some expectations. However discussions are also good. My expectations were way off from reality.
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There are also lots of variables that pictures do not show such as: speed of healing, complications, methods to dilate, cleaning procedures, ability to have an "o", satisfactions of both partners in results, etc. You can learn a lot without pictures.
I think I saw a table of satisfaction ratings for several surgeons on Susan's.
Pictures are good but if they are going to cause integrity issues for administrators then we will have to talk with words. Do remember that most people will share things with you off-line.
a post op photo of a medical procedure is NOT a sexually explicit photograph, I'm sorry but it just isnt. And, Susans is already ADULT content and anyone with their browser privacy set will not be able to even load the website....I tried while watching my sons football practice and using the high school's wifi.....wouldnt let me on to susans
I guess the question is very very simple........for all of you who are PRE OP and would like a reliable source to view surgeons work so you may be better informed in making your choice of surgeons.....should anonymous photographs of a surgeons work be included somewhere on this "support" website?
personally, to me, I could give a F less. I'm post op, made a right choice in surgeons....really dont need to be on susans at all other than to provide some advice but I do believe a photograph section would benefit and improve the integrity of this website........hey, maybe I should start my own website?
If that's what you want here, then just take the initiative :). There's nothing to stop you simply starting a thread where people can post links to their photos if they so wish, which would serve exactly the same purpose, for anyone who would find those photos supportive (you could just call it "Links to post-op photos" or something).
The rules of this site are not prohibitive in their intent, they are there to promote a safe space for people of very varying degrees of vulnerability. Please stop dissing the rules, they're quite easy to work within and are there for good reasons.
Quote from: Padma on July 30, 2011, 04:57:18 AM
If that's what you want here, then just take the initiative :). There's nothing to stop you simply starting a thread where people can post links to their photos if they so wish, which would serve exactly the same purpose, for anyone who would find those photos supportive (you could just call it "Links to post-op photos" or something).
The rules of this site are not prohibitive in their intent, they are there to promote a safe space for people of very varying degrees of vulnerability. Please stop dissing the rules, they're quite easy to work within and are there for good reasons.
are you even aware that this website is already considered to be that of "ADULT CONTENT" when restrictions are set on a particular computer?
Quote from: Jamie Nicole on July 30, 2011, 08:35:49 AM
are you even aware that this website is already considered to be that of "ADULT CONTENT" when restrictions are set on a particular computer?
Yes (and if I hadn't been, you've already pointed that out here :)). That's not really relevant to the adults visiting this site (when I say "vulnerable" I don't mean minors, I just mean "vulnerable" in whatever way).
In any case, this is how it is here - if you wish to contest the way this site is set up, please (as per the ToS) take it up privately with Susan, who owns this site and who has every right to decide on what basis it's being run, but who is, I'm sure, open to a civilised discussion about it.
Quote from: Padma on July 30, 2011, 08:42:10 AM
Yes (and if I hadn't been, you've already pointed that out here :)). That's not really relevant to the adults visiting this site (when I say "vulnerable" I don't mean minors, I just mean "vulnerable" in whatever way).
In any case, this is how it is here - if you wish to contest the way this site is set up, please (as per the ToS) take it up privately with Susan, who owns this site and who has every right to decide on what basis it's being run, but who is, I'm sure, open to a civilised discussion about it.
whatever! I dont agree with all this political correctness. being post op now, i question myself why I even browse this site still
This is *not* about political correctness. If you want a concrete example of who this rule is here to protect, well, there's me for a start. I was sexually abused by my mother, and I'm consequently quite careful not to go online where there are unexpected close-ups of people's pussies, because I can get pretty freaked out.
So if I come here, I do want to see a link saying "this is a link to photos of post-op vaginas" for example (which I may then go and visit if I feel like it), and I *don't* want to suddenly have photos of them pop onto my screen when I'm browsing topics, because that would make me feel less safe here.
I'm all for you having the choice to show pictures here by putting a link in a thread - And I equally expect to have a choice about whether I see this photos or not, without having to worry about someone forgetting to put an explicit warning in a topic title.
Quote from: Padma on July 30, 2011, 09:28:41 AM
This is *not* about political correctness. If you want a concrete example of who this rule is here to protect, well, there's me for a start. I was sexually abused by my mother, and I'm consequently quite careful not to go online where there are unexpected close-ups of people's pussies, because I can get pretty freaked out.
So if I come here, I do want to see a link saying "this is a link to photos of post-op vaginas" for example (which I may then go and visit if I feel like it), and I *don't* want to suddenly have photos of them pop onto my screen when I'm browsing topics, because that would make me feel less safe here.
I'm all for you having the choice to show pictures here by putting a link in a thread - And I equally expect to have a choice about whether I see this photos or not, without having to worry about someone forgetting to put an explicit warning in a topic title.
so when you get ready for surgery you're going to choose a surgeon blindly? without seeing any of the surgeons work?
Quote from: Jamie Nicole on July 30, 2011, 10:07:47 AM
so when you get ready for surgery you're going to choose a surgeon blindly? without seeing any of the surgeons work?
No way. Actually I have read some good articles on internet regarding surgeons. One lady said she was not satisfied but she had a 1.5 inch penis and very little scrotal material; however her friend had great results and her friend had an adequate amount of material. She also showed explicit pictures. Pictures were totally educational.
Padma has a great idea to create a link!
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Actually I really got upset when people I knew on this site "disappeared" after surgery. I wanted for both selfish and concerned reasons to learn how they were doing. Could they get on with their life with a little more peace? Was net result of their surgery more positive than negative? I think they come back to site with a new name.
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Jamie I love your spirit! No need to get upset. There are a lot of good folks on site. I will chat with friends off-line.
Quote from: Jamie Nicole on July 30, 2011, 10:07:47 AM
so when you get ready for surgery you're going to choose a surgeon blindly? without seeing any of the surgeons work?
Quote from: Padma...and I'm consequently quite careful not to go online where there are unexpected close-ups...
As I said already, I like to
choose to see.
Quote from: Jamie Nicole on July 30, 2011, 09:06:46 AM
whatever! I dont agree with all this political correctness. being post op now, i question myself why I even browse this site still
That sounded just a weeee elitist. If the site is "underneath" you why are you always posting?
It's totally cool if someone feels the need that they no longer need a trans support site and moves on but your comment kinda does not reflect that.
Quote from: Jamie Nicole on July 30, 2011, 10:07:47 AM
so when you get ready for surgery you're going to choose a surgeon blindly? without seeing any of the surgeons work?
There is a considerable difference between seeing one's own genitalia versus seeing others.
Also, Padme's suggestions were very reasonable. I don't understand why you are against the notion of putting up a forum thread that states the pics are there. Wasn't that your intention in the first place?
Also, everyone is different when choosing a doc. For example, I never asked for people's vay jay jay pics when I asked about their docs. I merely asked what their experiences were like with the doc as well as other research to make my decision. I didn't really think those people who I asked needed to show me their privates in order to believe them.
Also, you stated you wanted to show people the real life side of the pics versus the best examples on a doc's website....but you also stated in this thread that your vay jay jay was the best your doctor has ever "made" so, in a sense, isn't that also the same as seeing the best selected pics from a doc on their website?
There seems to be a group of people who want to be able to view post-op photos on this site, and a group of people who are not inclined to view any such explicit photos. I don't see why a special sub-forum just for the purpose of post-op photos wouldn't be a fair compromise. That way everyone can avoid viewing photos if they choose to or view them at their own discretion.
a really good idea is to place a post on on a thread about it and forward the link of that thread to Susan so she can get a good picture of who wants it and then the person who wants it can dialogue with Susan about it.
Also, you idea is good too :)
We have many users who are under 18 that come to this site, and Bots from many places post our links on the web. I would be against any post op pictures of a vagina. It's not like we would let a genetic woman post pictures of her vagina here. We also don't allow genetic men to post pictures of their penis.
As things currently stand on this site, it is not appropriate to post pictures or live links to pictures of genitalia (I was ahead of myself suggesting the latter, which is also not in line with the ToS). This is for the protection of vulnerable folk on the forum, but also for the protection of the people in the photos, as netbots can harvest live links and image links, and then you never know who is getting to see your photos.
It is fine, however, to post a topic where anyone can say: "if you want to see pictures of mine, please PM me" and share images that way.
By all means get in touch with Susan if you're still not happy with the reasons stated in the ToS and want to explore other possibilities here, but she has the last word, and has set things up the way they are for good reasons.
Quote from: Annah on July 30, 2011, 05:05:57 PM
There is a considerable difference between seeing one's own genitalia versus seeing others.
Also, Padme's suggestions were very reasonable. I don't understand why you are against the notion of putting up a forum thread that states the pics are there. Wasn't that your intention in the first place?
Also, everyone is different when choosing a doc. For example, I never asked for people's vay jay jay pics when I asked about their docs. I merely asked what their experiences were like with the doc as well as other research to make my decision. I didn't really think those people who I asked needed to show me their privates in order to believe them.
Also, you stated you wanted to show people the real life side of the pics versus the best examples on a doc's website....but you also stated in this thread that your vay jay jay was the best your doctor has ever "made" so, in a sense, isn't that also the same as seeing the best selected pics from a doc on their website?
first of all anna, it should not be in a freaking forum nor should there be a link to an external website.....there should be a place on the *main page* along with all the other material......how hard is that? With all of your theological education Anna, you sure as hell do not know how to read........I never said my vajayjay was the best my doctor ever made.....I said I had wonderful results and I could not be any happier with it.....maybe you should join me at Millersville??
Quote from: Sarah Louise on July 30, 2011, 05:41:27 PM
We have many users who are under 18 that come to this site, and Bots from many places post our links on the web. I would be against any post op pictures of a vagina. It's not like we would let a genetic woman post pictures of her vagina here. We also don't allow genetic men to post pictures of their penis.
wow!!! that's comparing apples to oranges!! lol unless a doc created that vagina for the genetic woman, why would a pic of her vagina being posted here even be relevent? lol
@ Padma......I am very curious....if seeing a vagina causes you so much distress, and assuming you will complete surgery, how will you ever be able to do post op dilation?
Quote from: Jamie Nicole on July 30, 2011, 06:37:39 PM
@ Padma......I am very curious....if seeing a vagina causes you so much distress, and assuming you will complete surgery, how will you ever be able to do post op dilation?
This is getting tiresome, so this is the last time I'm going to clarify this. I do not have a problem with looking at vaginas. I have a problem (sometimes) with having them suddenly thrust upon me uninvited. You were advocating having closeup pictures of vaginas inline in forum posts here, I was explaining why I don't want to come across that unexpectedly, using myself as just one example of why it'd be inappropriate to do that here.
I suggest putting in:
BIG RED TEXT...
... Saying that they are vagina pictures. And only insert links without embedding the pictures themselves.
Anyway, I'm a bit disappointed. I wanted to see >:( My friends joke and call me the most lesbian straight girl they know. I can't help it that I find it interesting!!!
MOD HAT ON.
Jamie Nicole, I strongly suggest that you take a breather and a short break from the site. As I once heard in a costume drama, "My dear, you're becoming overexcited."
If anyone is dying to see your work or if you're dying to see someone else's work, then you can always start a thread in which you invite that type of photo sharing by PM.
If you have a problem with site rules, take them up with Susan via PM. Staging public protests violates the Terms of Service and invites moderator action. And acting snarky and throwing hissy fits in a thread are counterproductive and annoying.
Quote from: Jamie Nicole on July 30, 2011, 06:17:55 PM
first of all anna, it should not be in a freaking forum nor should there be a link to an external website.....there should be a place on the *main page* along with all the other material......how hard is that? With all of your theological education Anna, you sure as hell do not know how to read........I never said my vajayjay was the best my doctor ever made.....I said I had wonderful results and I could not be any happier with it.....maybe you should join me at Millersville??
My legal name is Annah. Not Anna.
QuoteWith all of your theological education Anna, you sure as hell do not know how to read........I never said my vajayjay was the best my doctor ever made....
I was merely responding to your comment on page two which states:
QuoteI'm very lucky in that my results are some of his best thusfar.
That gives me the indication that your results were some of his best thus far. Or am I reading it wrong?
Also, you need to relax. I was not attacking you personally, so I think you should be at least mature enough to extend to me the same courtesy. Just because I have a difference of opinion than you does not give you the right or the entitlement to belittle me on these forums.
Quote from: Padma on July 30, 2011, 07:12:10 PM
This is getting tiresome, so this is the last time I'm going to clarify this. I do not have a problem with looking at vaginas. I have a problem (sometimes) with having them suddenly thrust upon me uninvited. You were advocating having closeup pictures of vaginas inline in forum posts here, I was explaining why I don't want to come across that unexpectedly, using myself as just one example of why it'd be inappropriate to do that here.
I never said in a forum. There should be a place created on the mainpage for each surgeon where photos could be collected and organized........exactly the same way that anne lawrence had her website.......where you could click on each surgeon to see their work
Quote from: Annah on July 30, 2011, 08:47:58 PM
My legal name is Annah. Not Anna.
I was merely responding to your comment on page two which states:
That gives me the indication that your results were some of his best thus far. Or am I reading it wrong?
Also, you need to relax. I was not attacking you personally, so I think you should be at least mature enough to extend to me the same courtesy. Just because I have a difference of opinion than you does not give you the right or the entitlement to belittle me on these forums.
"some" of his best work or "among" his best work is not the same as his "absolute" best work.......it may only be a minute or subtle difference but a difference it is indeed. lo siento mucho
Quote from: Arch on July 30, 2011, 07:59:46 PM
MOD HAT ON.
Jamie Nicole, I strongly suggest that you take a breather and a short break from the site. As I once heard in a costume drama, "My dear, you're becoming overexcited."
If anyone is dying to see your work or if you're dying to see someone else's work, then you can always start a thread in which you invite that type of photo sharing by PM.
If you have a problem with site rules, take them up with Susan via PM. Staging public protests violates the Terms of Service and invites moderator action. And acting snarky and throwing hissy fits in a thread are counterproductive and annoying.
not mine............Preecha, Bowers, Saran, Suporn, Sanguan, Chettawut, McGinn, etc, so forth and so on......get it? A reliable place for the transsexual to view each surgeons work..... a place where a decision can be made based on more information. On the main page is a list of all the SRS surgeons. What I am suggesting is merely having photographs of the their work right there with their names........and if possible, a patient account of their experience with whichever surgeon....good and bad.
That is all I was merely suggesting. It's not a hissy fit. but there are some acting like a post op photo of a medical procedure is the same as looking at Hustler, Penthouse or some other pornographic material.
I am merely advocating for a special place on this website where photos of each sugeons work can be accessed. IMO, this will allow each pre op TG an additional resource of information in making their decision of which surgeon to choose. I feel very strongly about it.
nice to see you gave me a negative rating because I gave you one based on your actions on this thread. My rating was justified. You attacked me personally based on a simple and respectable disagreement and that warranted a negative rating. Your retaliation to give me a low rating in response shows me your true maturity. My impression of your actions is getting lower and lower.
People here have given you well meaning responses and I even disclosed a portion of my past to give my opinions on the matter as well as many other people here including moderators. When we disagree with you that does not mean we hate you or we think you are stupid. It simply means we disagree. A truly mature response would have been gathering all the ideas people have given you and even if you disagree with them you note it. Then you take it to Susan and see what she has to say with your ideas. Going on this type of tyrant isn't really doing anything better for you at all. It isn't really pushing your ideas in a favorable light and it is not showing your character in a favorable light either.
Lashing out over disagreements is something I used to see in Junior High School or failed relationships.
i thought you were ok when i was first met you. I guess I was wrong. You seem to be a very spiteful person and you take criticism very poorly.
anna, look back thru the posts and you'll see that I felt you attacked me first. I ignored the whole smite/applaud thing because I think it serves no purpose. In fact, I feel that you've been trying to attack me through out this whole thread. I think I'd be justified in smiting nearly each and every one of your replies in this thread.
My reply to your post was not a personal attack. you did not quote my earlier post properly and it was misinformative, it's that simple.
How you view or feel about me really is irrelevent. Your nobody to judge me as I am nobody to judge you. You want to sit on your perch and look down your nose on everybody......well, I too am working on a grad level degree at Millersville.
Doesnt matter to me anymore anyway. I thought I could help the pre op trans community by advocating for a place where surgeons work could be viewed.....but that will never happen on this site.
The rules are pretty clear here - if you want to advocate for changes to the site, you contact the site owner, you don't rail against them publicly. I therefore suggest (again) that you do that, and I'm going to close this topic now, it's just going round in circles.