hey there!!!
So have only been here a few weeks made an enemy and a few friends. So i noticed one huge thing age :o :o but not that some girls do it late but that so many who do it late look just amazing!! I have seen girls my age who pass easily( i am still iffy to me ever passing but only 2 months hrt so who knows). Now i see that people are like ahh i am 33 i cant change enough to pass to ah i am 19 ??? ??? i cant pass but hello ladies have a look around we have transitions from those who did in their fifty's who look just wow :D :D. I mean yea age effects a few thing but those small things will not ruin the general image of who you are!! I think all of us(except me :-\ :-\) have the chance of passing and their are millions of ways to do so!!. I just want to say age is nothing if you have a positive attitude a supply of estrogen and a little nip and tuck here and there ;D ;D.WE are all quite fab in our own ways :)
I just made this little thread for all you girls who are scared of never passing. If you dont believe me just go look at the 3 official threads and get a confidence boost !!
If you disagree say so :)
Hey Zoey. Age is just a number. What is important is to just transition. If I had only done it 20 plus years ago, but oh well. Hindsight is 20/20.
As only of the older gals, Thank You for the compliment. (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsmileys.on-my-web.com%2Frepository%2FAnimals%2Fferret-5.gif&hash=cfc7a68438be4575d8493dfbe65d1b3586f10b81)
Quote from: Irish Janet on August 06, 2011, 04:46:43 PM
Hey Zoey. Age is just a number. What is important is to just transition. If I had only done it 20 plus years ago, but oh well. Hindsight is 20/20.
As only of the older gals, Thank You for the compliment. (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsmileys.on-my-web.com%2Frepository%2FAnimals%2Fferret-5.gif&hash=cfc7a68438be4575d8493dfbe65d1b3586f10b81)
absolute pleasure you deserve it hands down :D :D
Everyone transitions when they're ready to. I think we're horribly ageist, on both ends of the spectrum.
I don't know, my birthday is next week and I'm definitely feeling old. :( I do wish I had started a bit earlier. I still very much want to get married.
Quote from: madirocks on August 06, 2011, 04:55:57 PM
I don't know, my birthday is next week and I'm definitely feeling old. :( I do wish I had started a bit earlier. I still very much want to get married.
Sweetie !! your young !! dont over panic your gonna be beautiful either way living with regrets will only spoil the treasured memories ;)
I agree, it doesn't matter what age you are. You are beautiful no matter what and you should transition when your ready. x
Personally for me i wish i started to transition when i was like 16 because that's when i first told my mum hehe and also my Adams apple wouldn't have appeared and i could have stopped my voice from getting a bit deeper but meh oh well.
Salisha x x
Quote from: salisha on August 06, 2011, 05:06:42 PM
I agree, it doesn't matter what age you are. You are beautiful no matter what and you should transition when your ready. x
Personally for me i wish i started to transition when i was like 16 because that's when i first told my mum hehe and also my Adams apple wouldn't have appeared and i could have stopped my voice from getting a bit deeper but meh oh well.
Salisha x x
same at 16 but yea adams apple wish i could of stopped that but yea!! oh well life moves on :D no point being ageist
Quote from: LilKittyCatZoey on August 06, 2011, 05:13:52 PM
same at 16 but yea adams apple wish i could of stopped that but yea!! oh well life moves on :D no point being ageist
Yeah there's no point in like grieving over it, whats done is done, best to carry on with life hehe x x
and yeah being ageist is bad x
Salisha x x
Hey girls!
Well I for one don't agree completely.
Age does make a difference in how you physically change.
But one of the biggest factor in making it (passing) is your desire and attitude.
:o Oops that's the two biggest ones.
These can over come the age problem to a certain extend.
Really I could have been a nice looking women if I had started earlier. :(
But I'd rather be a old lady than the other choose (old man) any day. :)
I'm just happy to be the women I am and accepted as me.
;D
Jillieann
But without age we can't have birthdays. And that would mean no birthday cakes. Don't you try to take my cakes away from me now.
Yeah, age can matter some, your appearance, mind's frame of reference, but I agree that attitude will determine if you sub cum to your physical age. I tell myself its only a number that people know if you tell them or if they see your drivers license. :laugh:
Quote from: Sunnynight on August 06, 2011, 06:11:42 PM
But without age we can't have birthdays. And that would mean no birthday cakes. Don't you try to take my cakes away from me now.
Damn straight!! ;D Take my funfetti num nums and I'll bite your arm off.
(Birdie num num)
Oops! Brain fart. ;) But really... it's a complex combination of age and genetics, and probably lots to do with lifestyle. I may be 33, but I eat well, I exercise, I've never smoked, never drank, never tried a single drug, and I rarely go into the sun without sunblock (and there's a cloud outside that looks like baboon face). To top it off, all of us on my mom's side look years younger than we are. Luck and life, that's what it is. Well, hormones too. :laugh:
Aaawww...never inhaled? Even once? LOL!
Quote from: SandraJane on August 06, 2011, 06:51:51 PM
Aaawww...never inhaled? Even once? LOL!
Most people who know me in real life have a hard time believing it, but no! :laugh:
Although some older people can pass just as well as young people in terms of looks, they may not nessasarily have the knowledge and experience of growing up as a girl in order to know how to act like a genetic female socially. If you grew up as a man for a good part of 50 years, I would imagine it will take quite an effort to unlearn habits and to learn things which all genetic women knew froma early age.
Your so right Kairi and I know that because I started in my late 50's.
But I have found that I have much of the knowledge because of growing up with two sisters.
And having spent over 29 years with my wife.
It the experience that I have been lacking. Although I am getting it as quick as I can. ;D
And at my age it feels real weird being a teen again. But I like it. ;)
Although I'm transitioning in later life I have largely lived as my female self most of my life. But if I had been able to do so I would have transitioned as a 13 year old when I came out to my parents. But that was a long time ago, they did not have a clue what it meant, and neither did I. I just knew I was a girl. But that was before computers and before internet, even before video games. How did we ever live :laugh:
Cindy
Kairi,
* If you grew up as a man for a good part of 50 years, I would imagine it will take quite an effort to unlearn habits and to learn things which all genetic women knew froma early age. *
That does not always apply, because our female-self very often just pulls us constantly away from all this male-male behaviour. It ALWAY did just that with me.
Going into RLE was like a fish taking to water. And it was even amazing to myself. Also a lot would say: "And what took you so long?"
That is a clue, and also that many would see my femme-side was just a repressed Queen still in the closet.
That "Queen" came out, and now is actually is a (trans)woman.
Axelle
Quote from: Zoë Natasha on August 06, 2011, 06:55:56 PM
Most people who know me in real life have a hard time believing it, but no! :laugh:
We're on the same boat with the smoking, but I'll be da***d if I can't get another drink!!! :)
Yes I want to go back to this.
I have not lived as a man for 50 years and then 'decided' to be female. I have been female all my life and am now finally getting the chance to live my life. I never learned how to be a man. I've been a total disaster at it.
Cindy
so much for a small thread :'( :'( :'( :'(
I don't think age matters much in regards to transition. Although there is no doubt that a person who comes out and starts transition at an early age has a better chance of fitting in both mentally and physically with their target gender. I know more then a few ts girls that are older and not only pass but mesh well with other females so age doesn't matter much in that sense, it's how you carry yourself that matters.
Quote from: LilKittyCatZoey on August 07, 2011, 03:23:40 AM
so much for a small thread :'( :'( :'( :'(
Hey Hun
It is a nice intelligent thread. Nothing bad about it. Be proud for a thread that has interested people.
Hugs Hon
Cindy
Quote from: Cindy James on August 07, 2011, 03:30:28 AM
Hey Hun
It is a nice intelligent thread. Nothing bad about it. Be proud for a thread that has interested people.
Hugs Hon
Cindy
Cindy i seem to no matter what make chatty threads i mean i think my one thread made it to 231 posts!! :D And all of you are beautiful i dont think i have been wowd this much ever before :) :)
Quote from: LilKittyCatZoey on August 06, 2011, 04:58:15 PM
Sweetie !! your young !! dont over panic your gonna be beautiful either way living with regrets will only spoil the treasured memories ;)
Thank you. :)
I know for others who have said age does not matter, in regards to transition. I think that is largely in reference to how you look/ feel as compared to how you used to look/ feel.
This is not what I'm worried about. My career, college, and everything else I have done in my life thus far has been for the benefit of others. I'm going back to college soon, and I won't start a real career until I'm well into my 30s. And again, I still want to get married, and have children. But, I know that won't happen until well after I fully transition.
So yes, I'm not at all excited about my age. :-\
Quote from: LilKittyCatZoey on August 07, 2011, 03:36:33 AM
Cindy i seem to no matter what make chatty threads i mean i think my one thread made it to 231 posts!! :D And all of you are beautiful i dont think i have been wowd this much ever before :) :)
Maybe you are just nice. These sort of boards need people to talk about stuff. If we don't post, it's all over.
Hugs.
Tell us about yourself,
I'm an old bitch, but cute :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Cindy
Quote from: madirocks on August 07, 2011, 03:46:22 AM
Thank you. :)
I know for others who have said age does not matter, in regards to transition. I think that is largely in reference to how you look/ feel as compared to how you used to look/ feel.
This is not what I'm worried about. My career, college, and everything else I have done in my life thus far has been for the benefit of others. I'm going back to college soon, and I won't start a real career until I'm well into my 30s. And again, I still want to get married, and have children. But, I know that won't happen until well after I fully transition.
So yes, I'm not at all excited about my age. :-\
stop panicing :D :D trust me it will happen but for now just try enjoy life :)
Quote from: Cindy James on August 07, 2011, 04:07:50 AM
Maybe you are just nice. These sort of boards need people to talk about stuff. If we don't post, it's all over.
Hugs.
Tell us about yourself,
I'm an old bitch, but cute :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Cindy
i am a young sweetie, but ugly ;)
It has a bunch of 'reads' but not a ton of replies, yet.
Quote from: tekla on August 07, 2011, 04:29:59 AM
It has a bunch of 'reads' but not a ton of replies, yet.
Oh well then those who only read know i know they are pretty and feel no reason to post :D
Getting people to talk has always been the problem.
Ask Dave Gilmour and you can find than track quicker than I,
Cindy
Can't keep my eyes from the circling sky
Tongue-tied and twisted just an earthbound misfit,
Talk to me
I saw PF live doing it, I cried.
I have no reason why.
Cindy
I could give you a couple of million reasons why. And that's just the cost of the production, it's not even arguing about if it's Art. (It is, that's why it moves people). I did a couple of summers in the early 90s doing lighting tech work with the Gilmore/Floyd thing. It was pretty awesome (And not just because it was MILF heaven and all them MILFs were going to do that one bad girl thing they didn't do when they were young - Party with the band! Yeah, I can get you backstage. Ask me how. ) - huge. Beyond huge. There were two stages, two production companies, two of everything except David. We'd be doing shows in one city, and the other Group (we called them Group One and Group B - my idea) were setting up in the next city, and when we were done, we'd skip past them - leapfrog - to the next super-huge totally soulless sports area.
You don't need a reason to be moved by Art, that's what it does.
BTW, out of all the guitar slingers out there David Gilmore is the most unrecognized blues player around.
Seeing as those of us who are older were probably able to pick up a lot from watching our wives, we have got a bit of a headstart on passing. Being happy makes you more attractive anyway.
I'm 57 going on 15 and still trying to play loud enough to annoy the neighbours! >:-)
Karen.
I don't subscribe to the "Well, you have to learn all the things that you missed in decades of not being female" theory.
There are things that one has to learn, clothes, makeup, hair, etc.
The amount one has to learn is dependent on what kind of women you are.
Some GG's don't know anything about any of these.
I view transition as mostly just dropping all the pretenses of being male.
YMMV.
Thank you Renate, and please one round of applause for this statement!
Couldn't agree more.
PLEASE, do we want to go from one "prison" right into the next one just called "female expectations"? No way I say.
Again be WHO YOU ARE, and not what OTHERS want you to be.
Um,
Axelle
I don't think age is important at all.. Attitude is more important IMO..
Quote from: Cindy James on August 07, 2011, 02:50:25 AM
Yes I want to go back to this.
I have not lived as a man for 50 years and then 'decided' to be female. I have been female all my life and am now finally getting the chance to live my life. I never learned how to be a man. I've been a total disaster at it.
Cindy
I tried it for 35 years and, yes, like Cindy, being a man was something I could never do.. I tried, both as a straight guy and a gay guy and both led to complete disasters - where people other than myself ended up quite hurt..
Quote from: Kairi on August 06, 2011, 07:48:46 PM
Although some older people can pass just as well as young people in terms of looks, they may not nessasarily have the knowledge and experience of growing up as a girl in order to know how to act like a genetic female socially. If you grew up as a man for a good part of 50 years, I would imagine it will take quite an effort to unlearn habits and to learn things which all genetic women knew froma early age.
I agree it may be a little more difficult for a gal of 50 compared to one with less time invested in the birth gender. However, a girl transitioning at 20 doesn't have that knowledge and experience either. Both have to learn as an adult what other women knew as little girls. Both missed the bulk of socialization. Lifestyle and how committed one was to the birth role matters as well. Probably more than age.
Quote from: Zoë Natasha on August 06, 2011, 06:32:17 PM
Damn straight!! ;D Take my funfetti num nums and I'll bite your arm off.
(Birdie num num)
Oops! Brain fart. ;) But really... it's a complex combination of age and genetics, and probably lots to do with lifestyle. I may be 33, but I eat well, I exercise, I've never smoked, never drank, never tried a single drug, and I rarely go into the sun without sunblock (and there's a cloud outside that looks like baboon face). To top it off, all of us on my mom's side look years younger than we are. Luck and life, that's what it is. Well, hormones too. :laugh:
Very incisive post Zoe. I guess we have to define age, and what kind of age.
Chronological age -see your driver license. It only means something when it qualifies you for something
Organ age - how well you organs (liver, kidneys, hart, etc) are performing. This age depends on genetics, life style and chronological age
Mind age - that is how sharp and capable. Usually in direct proportion to continuous education and learning
Kate D
Quote from: Renate on August 07, 2011, 06:42:16 AMI view transition as mostly just dropping all the pretenses of being male.
Exactly true. And after a while you'll just be there and you won't even notice it anymore. Just one day you'll be doing something, or saying something, or walking up the stairs fiddling with your earrings, and suddenly you'll see yourself as other see you, and the realization will hit you- damn, I'm such a girl! And all the old will simply be gone like a bad dream, and then you will know you have naturally become who you were always meant to be.
Very profund observations. It is all in our minds. I am seeking what you both have found.
Kate D
QuoteOther than that I didn't see there was a learning curve, just stopping pretending, stop the roles, the expectations and goals that didn't fit me. Just do what comes natural.
Sure there are plenty of skills that many women learn that I'll never be as good or skilled at, but that's okay. I'm making the best of life that I can. And the me that I am is pretty good already.
I so agree Valerie.
I'm not escaping one box that didn't fit at all to go into another box that fits a little better.
I am out of a box and don't plan on going into another. I am me and that is what this is all about.
Quote from: Renate on August 07, 2011, 06:42:16 AM
I don't subscribe to the "Well, you have to learn all the things that you missed in decades of not being female" theory.
There are things that one has to learn, clothes, makeup, hair, etc.
The amount one has to learn is dependent on what kind of women you are.
Some GG's don't know anything about any of these.
I view transition as mostly just dropping all the pretenses of being male.
YMMV.
I really like this outlook on transitioning.
QuoteI don't subscribe to the "Well, you have to learn all the things that you missed in decades of not being female" theory.
There are things that one has to learn, clothes, makeup, hair, etc.
The amount one has to learn is dependent on what kind of women you are.
That all depends.
Even from my earliest recollections I have been attracted to women's clothing, makeup and beautiful long hair.
I not only liked them but wanted them to be my own.
For me it is part of who I am.
It's what I have been denied as a male.