THIS IS MY OWN EXPERIENCE! THIS IS NOT A GUARANTEE OR ANYTHING OF THE SORT!!!
Alright, so I'm not sure how much of this I'm allowed to post, I've tried making sure it's okay though.
Before I began HRT, I was very horny all the time. Testosterone definitely made me horny. Then I started on Spironolactone (anti-androgen) and Estrodiol (generic estrogen). The dosages are of course dependent on your body. Within the first couple months I lost my sex drive completely... I was even almost repulsed by sex.
Later on, I started Progesterone and gained some of my sex drive back, but medically speaking didn't gain any significant breast growth, the only growth that I had was in the mood department. I got happier and angrier much more easily, which never felt good in any way.
Now comes the significant part: orgasms.
When I first began HRT, the only way orgams changed was that they were less... but since I began depo-estrodiol (injections of estrogen), orgasms have become so intense to the point where I can barely keep myself from crying out in ecstasy! I'm not sure why it is, but my orgasms have changed in such a way that they have become so intense that it's hard to keep quiet! I've tried to figure out if it's just the difference between male and female orgasm, but it's hard to say at this point. Even my nipples are so sensitive that they can orgasm (which believe it or not is actually kind of irritating). I wish that pills were the ones that caused ecstasy.
Quote from: micheled88 on August 17, 2011, 01:47:39 AM
THIS IS MY OWN EXPERIENCE! THIS IS NOT A GUARANTEE OR ANYTHING OF THE SORT!!!
Alright, so I'm not sure how much of this I'm allowed to post, I've tried making sure it's okay though.
Before I began HRT, I was very horny all the time. Testosterone definitely made me horny. Then I started on Spironolactone (anti-androgen) and Estrodiol (generic estrogen). The dosages are of course dependent on your body. Within the first couple months I lost my sex drive completely... I was even almost repulsed by sex.
Later on, I started Progesterone and gained some of my sex drive back, but medically speaking didn't gain any significant breast growth, the only growth that I had was in the mood department. I got happier and angrier much more easily, which never felt good in any way.
Now comes the significant part: orgasms.
When I first began HRT, the only way orgams changed was that they were less... but since I began depo-estrodiol (injections of estrogen), orgasms have become so intense to the point where I can barely keep myself from crying out in ecstasy! I'm not sure why it is, but my orgasms have changed in such a way that they have become so intense that it's hard to keep quiet! I've tried to figure out if it's just the difference between male and female orgasm, but it's hard to say at this point. Even my nipples are so sensitive that they can orgasm (which believe it or not is actually kind of irritating). I wish that pills were the ones that caused ecstasy.
i feel like its probably just the difference between male and female orgasms. from the "other side", i never had an orgasm before going on testosterone but have obviously heard the female orgasm described. i had a couple 2+ months on t and all i can say is it felt like my d*** was sneezing. i mean yeah sure it was lovely but i wouldnt have broken anyones headboard.
Yes, hon there will be a change --- but also there will be less frequency, - my experience.
If I have big O too often it gets kind of flat. Like nice, OK, but then no big deal.
If there was a stretch of time, say a week, between the last occasion THEN it can get VERY intense in deed.
Myself, --- I just let "fly" and make what ever noise is coming out, so to speak.
I wouldn't even know how to stop this. In the end I'll have wobbly knees and feel VERY much done for.
It is this time that some hugs and cuddles be soooo welcome, alas not the case when having masturbated on your own...
So, seems all's just jolly fine, you will get used to it --- as we do to most things. More often then Xmas and definitely more exiting to boot :-)
Axelle
Do you masturbate the way men do?
Ooo yea I noticed this a bit back... and is one the reasons I would NEVER want to stop hormones (haha! really, this perk is really entertaining! men really get the short end of the stick when it comes to sex / orgasms... no wonder they have such issues with it).
It started happening month 3 or 4 on estrogen / spiro... and first time it happened I thought I was going to hyperventilate. And yea, the more frequent between playing around... the less strong it is (boo). I'm not really frisky much, but I make it a point to have fun now and then (it is easy to become frisky).
I have also found the nipples being a lot more sensitive. In fact, it has completely changed the way I play around. I start up there and just use my imagination for a while (which, is slower than as a guy, but more fun).
Also, I found I don't look at porn anymore... I "can" and it is nice and everything... but I just don't really need to anymore (I am fine just using my imagination). So this is a complete flip to how it used to be (where i typically looked at things, and rarely just used my imagination).
Oh, andd during I am very very quiet...but physically I try to scoot / get away from it or something (??)... and when it is over become extremely exhausted. Definitely a new / fun experience, haha I would recommend HRT to guys, but I doubt they would really enjoy some of the other effects :P
Oh, and while we are talking about different reactions, I found that I can find things EXTREMELY funny more often now (and for some reason, when I laugh that hard, I actually start to cry / sniffle... again, uhh... ???)
All of this is just another reason that I don't get why people don't enjoy being trans! If we had always reacted this way, we would never be able to appreciate it like we do. Haha I think I might go into too much info when talking with friends / family about the changes sometimes >< I just can't help but share the orgasms thing, it is just so funny / great.
Lol, sorry but I'm going to have to pop in and turn that theory a little on it's head, I've found that since being on T my orgasms have become way more intense. For me I used to go at it, reach a peak, and be done. I was still and silent, I mean it was nice, but meh. Now I twitch and buck (there's a little animal male instinct I didn't know I had :P) and gasp and all sorts of stupid things I can't control because it's so different.
Something like this could also maybe be related to the amount of stress you hold in your body? My theory for a while was that I was always so tense and wound up before T that it was hard to let go, but now I'm relaxed and my body is reflecting that. But I dunno, everyone's different. :P
I have to add to this... multiples. My orgasms have become more intense but also I have multiples now (my record is five). It truly is exhausting and wonderful. ;D
Quote from: MaxAloysius on August 17, 2011, 07:37:49 AM
Lol, sorry but I'm going to have to pop in and turn that theory a little on it's head, I've found that since being on T my orgasms have become way more intense. For me I used to go at it, reach a peak, and be done. I was still and silent, I mean it was nice, but meh. Now I twitch and buck (there's a little animal male instinct I didn't know I had :P) and gasp and all sorts of stupid things I can't control because it's so different.
Something like this could also maybe be related to the amount of stress you hold in your body? My theory for a while was that I was always so tense and wound up before T that it was hard to let go, but now I'm relaxed and my body is reflecting that. But I dunno, everyone's different. :P
Honestly, I think we all experience orgasms better when our brains are on the right chemicals. The brain, after all, is the super-primary sex organ. It could also be partly psychosomatic. For example, I'm not on HRT, but I've noticed that if I concentrate, I can have orgasms that are more "vivid", full-bodied, and female.
marelivki
* Do you masturbate the way men do? *
In my case being pre-op the answer is: YES.
Have no idea what will follow when post-op though.
Wish me luck :-)
Axelle
Rabbit,
* while we are talking about different reactions, I found that I can find things EXTREMELY funny more often now (and for some reason, when I laugh that hard, I actually start to cry / sniffle... again, uhh *
I must confirm this! :-)
Often I just can't/won't contain myself and just have to blurt out --- it's like a must, can't stop it.
Can be a bit embarrassing with company, say watching a nice movie?
Even happens watching DVDs on my own, I can just crack up, laugh my butt off, clapping my hands... hehe :-)
Thank you for bringing this up,
Axelle
Val,
I hear what you say, but still be on my way to SRS, eh :-) If it's the last thing I'll do.
Spend the afternoon chatting to my trans gf (24), awaiting labia and clitoroplasty, op 3.
Yet I might still be done before her, though.
The point, - she is, after 2nd op, (neo-vagina only) having wobbly knees, close to hyperventilate, and in general when all is said and done completely "finished". Including female ejaculation, something no one has even touched on this far!
Well, good to know of another happy post-op (2 out of 3). also I was the first to be told she got engaged to be married to a very nice SADF Captain, set to become Major soon.
Very, very happy for her --- not even jealous, must be growing up?
Axelle
Quote from: marelivki on August 17, 2011, 04:46:00 AM
Do you masturbate the way men do?
No. Not since my transition. I use vibrators now as a genetic girl does. I don't ever touch "it."
Anna,
not every body is in possesion of such a magic "helper" :-)
As it goes, I have to touch that appendage a number of time during the day, then so what?!
Wash it, dry it, pack it, repack it, well - squeeze it, tease it.
It seems pretty unavoidable, like blowing my nose, and have #1 and #2.
Axelle
Who? Me or her?
Making me jealous or not, - dat is se queshun.
Axelle
Quote from: Axélle on August 17, 2011, 10:20:19 AM
Anna,
not every body is in possesion of such a magic "helper" :-)
As it goes, I have to touch that appendage a number of time during the day, then so what?!
Wash it, dry it, pack it, repack it, well - squeeze it, tease it.
It seems pretty unavoidable, like blowing my nose, and have #1 and #2.
Axelle
Sounds like your statement is implying that I stated if anyone is touching it they are doing it wrong. If that is the case you, unfortunately, misread my intentions.
I was talking about my own experiences concerning what I personally have tastes for.
When it comes to sexuality there is no wrong or right answer; only what works for each individual.
PS: it's Annah :)
Ouch Annah!
Yeah, it did come across that way - some, and hey, every one his to own. No harm in that.
Still, I actually tried my very own LELO (pink and white) and it doesn't quite do it for me, but it is sort of nice +/- , um.
Hope this clears it up?
Axelle
Quote from: Axélle on August 17, 2011, 10:44:09 AM
Ouch Annah!
Yeah, it did come across that way - some, and hey, every one his to own. No harm in that.
Still, I actually tried my very own LELO (pink and white) and it doesn't quite do it for me, but it is sort of nice +/- , um.
Hope this clears it up?
Axelle
hehe ya :)
Lovely, not quite pre-op-orgasm-level but definitely NICE. :-)
Sometimes almost prefer the more gentle happiness of agreement --- never mind the subject.
Sucker for happiness,
Axelle
PS: Getting ready for "Sex and the City" 2nd season re-run - and some happy clapping.
Quote from: Valeriedances on August 17, 2011, 09:37:58 AM
You girls are having way too much fun.
Dont get too attached to orgasms since after SRS you may not have them anymore ...ever.
I know, im a party pooper. Anyway, enjoy, have fun.
I've been told the opposite, if you can have a fully female orgasm pre surgery (you'll know when you have one ;) ), then the chances are good that you will continue to have them after.
Quote from: Gravity's Child on August 17, 2011, 11:04:23 AM
I've been told the opposite, if you can have a fully female orgasm pre surgery (you'll know when you have one ;) ), then the chances are good that you will continue to have them after.
Ya, my SRS Doc has told me the same thing. If you can achieve orgasm that is female (and you are right....you will KNOW when it happens), then you'll experience likewise post op
I ended up catergorising my pre-op orgasms. There were the decidedly male ones which were extremely Meh...same as always really, then there were combi orgasms which I thought were quite intense until i experienced a full blown female orgasm which left my eyes rolled back in the head, pelvic floor muscles spasming and me completely blissed out for at least 20 minutes (it didn't last that long...but that's how long I was in a very euphoric state for).
lol how about the ones where you arch your back and scream in such a high pitch you sound like you're wheezing and then wake up 30 minutes later!
Sounds all about right to me.
Only thing when happens what, is pretty much up to chance, or?
Axelle
I've only had one so far :'(
Well it caught me completely by surprise, but there had been a couple of hours of very slow passionate build up so it makes sense.
just curious seeming i only ever used my penis to pee and store sperm (i think i used it wrong because no pleasure only extreme pain and needing of a ice pack) no i don't intended to use it to post op anyone know if i will feel pleasure post of or my vagina just gonna be there for my partner and my person happiness :)
Since starting HRT, my orgasms have vanished completely... :( They weren't exactly earth-shattering to begin with, but now they're pretty much nonexistent.
Quote from: Zoë Natasha on August 17, 2011, 05:43:09 PM
Since starting HRT, my orgasms have vanished completely... :( They weren't exactly earth-shattering to begin with, but now they're pretty much nonexistent.
Yeah me too, no more morning erections YAY!! I don't mess around with my male junk that much but not long ago i actually did have a very intense orgasm, it felt more like a whole body sensation and i LOVED it. :)
yeah thats def awesome when the erections disappear!
Quote from: Annah on August 17, 2011, 09:54:48 PM
yeah thats def awesome when the erections disappear!
Absolutely!! :)
I told my therapist I control it (my sex drive), it doesn't control me.
Erections going away sure was nice, but orgasms going away isn't so nice... they're so meh that I just can't be bothered. Not to mention I'm really hating my body these days.
On one hand its harder to have an orgasm, so it better be worth it, but at the same time it makes it more meaningful?
When I was a teen, I was able to have some pretty intense male orgasms, but they declined rapidly over time and have nearly disappeared entirely since I became aware of my GID/GD. I'm certain it is largely psychological; I have a fair bit of body-hate going on. The problem being that when I become aware of my physical male arousal, the dysphoria kicks in and things shrivel again; usually destroying the mood. I'll be sooo glad to fix that situation.
As for female orgasm, I think I've had some little ones recently. They were an all-over body sensation as others have described in this thread. Kind of a pulsing warm fuzzy body blush, but somehow more exciting and yet more relaxing at the same time. Kinda buzzy in the head, too. Hard to describe. I'm not really sure how the lower anatomy responds because when it happens, I don't have the presence of mind to actually look down there. They are most likely to occur when I am feeling intensely feminine and after considerable foreplay. Definitely different from the old genital-focused nearly-on-demand experiences of my teen years. If HRT will bring these new sensations out and even intensify them then...well...yay for me and my Sweety! ;D
Maybe a clue...
the "female" version, in my case, goes with a flaccid member, the "male" version with a best in situation (HRT) demi-errection. YMMV
If in a 'hurry" male version is quicker --- only 5 -15 min. If at leasure to spend plenty of time 1hr? --- female-version is one nice alternative :-)
Lastly ALL will SO much depend on being -in the mood- !
Axelle
Quote from: Zoë Natasha on August 17, 2011, 10:10:51 PM
Erections going away sure was nice, but orgasms going away isn't so nice... they're so meh that I just can't be bothered. Not to mention I'm really hating my body these days.
Does your doc know about the orgasm issue? I knew some girls who could not orgasm and their doc gave them progesterone. It helped out some girls in this arena. I dont know if your doc would prescribe you progesterone but its worth a shot!
OMG I just experienced an organism with out even masturbating the old way! (Cis-male way) And it was earth shattering and the climax lasted about 1 full minute with an intense built up for about 5 solid minutes which just on its own was better then the old way I would orgasm from the old way I used masturbate.
All I did was rub the head exactly the way I would caress a clit. I wasn't even erect or anything and my body convulced like a cis-woman and I even outbursted a sigh lol. It was a total body orgasm. It's also been a probably 7 days since I even thought of touching myself. The amount of time in between I'm sure also had something to do with it. But , it wasn't like the cis male orgasms I've gotten my whole life. This was different. This was also over 40 minutes ago and my whole body is still tingling.
Btw, I'm mtf pre HRT and pre op, only 10 days out of the closet.
I'm kinda jealous, I only started to get different orgasms a month into HRT and usually need to start up the old way to get going. (once I am going however I message the head)
Now a days I can orgasm for like 10 minutes straight, maybe even longer if the conditions are right. I still think there are remnants of a male orgasm in there, but I don't care, it feels fantastic.
Speaking from complete ignorance... because I haven't started HRT yet, but I would think that the novelty has a lot to do with it. When it comes to drug highs, organisms, sky diving, or any emotionally, sensually intense experience, the first time is always the most intense, and you can never achieve that intensity again. The thrill always declines with acquaintance.
They used to believe that infants were colour blind, but a test was devised that disproved this relying on this principle. What they call "sensory boredom", or the idea that with continued, or frequent exposure to stimuli, they become all "meh", so when showing an infant a colour for awhile until they're bored, and then show them a new colour, that if they were colour blind ought to just be the same old gray, renews their interest.
I guess I can attest to that, the first time the different orgasm hit me is blew me off my feet.
I still can get it around that level, but never the same. *shrug*
When I switched to IM my libido came back.
On pills I could but just didn't. On IM I want to.
As far as orgasm, pills resulted in an amazing O. On IM the O is unbelievable. I learned something on this thread and may try it, rubbing the head while at climax. It is so sensitive now I just avoided it.
When I started hrt I found I couldn't achieve O, it seemed to be so different from what I'd lived with that as I got close to the brink my body & mind ran away to hide.
I eventually got past this hurdle & the first time I had an O on hrt I was left wrapped in fluffy pink clouds & my body spent the next five minutes twitching uncontrollably, I kid you not when I say that my muscles refused to do my bidding,
They are definitely better if not experienced too frequently, my body seems to prefer a few weeks to recover & prepare for the next one :-)
I could write a novella on this, but I won't. (not just yet) :~]