when I look at pictures or "vlogs" of ftms I have noticed that that many have earplugs
there's nothing wrong with having earplugs but it strikes me that so many of you have earplugs
is there something special with earplugs like these?
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Just so you know, an 'earplug' is a device meant to inserted into the ear canal itself to protect it from loud noises, water, etc. The word for the short cylindrical pieces of jewelry worn in stretched earlobes is simply 'plug'.
I think you are coming across this because most of the trans people you're seeing online are under 30, and body modification in general seems (to me) to be much more popular with this age group. It doesn't really have anything to do with the fact that these people are transgender.
I think them looking cool is what's special about stretched lobes. I have stretched lobes. I started stretching them when I was a teen and stopped going further in my early 20s. I liked the process of changing myself in a way that made me happy.
Quote from: nobody on October 26, 2011, 01:40:11 PM
Just so you know, an 'earplug' is a device meant to inserted into the ear canal itself to protect it from loud noises, water, etc. The word for the short cylindrical pieces of jewelry worn in stretched earlobes is simply 'plug'.
I think you are coming across this because most of the trans people you're seeing online are under 30, and body modification in general seems (to me) to be much more popular with this age group. It doesn't really have anything to do with the fact that these people are transgender.
This. I've noticed a large number of people under 30 (cis or trans, myself included) have plugs.
When I was 16 I was a 0 gauge. It's a common thing to do. I think it also gave me a sense of control over my body.
gauges? a lot of people have pierced ears and a lot of 'lesbians' have gauges and then come out as ftms. im glad i never got my ears pierced, except for a cartilage piercing that i took out last year and is closed up.
Stretchers, as we call 'm here, have become quite popular the last few years. Especially with a lot of somewhat.. 'alternative' guys. And I see a lot of transguys being a bit 'alternative'. (wrong word but I can't think of the right one) I think the open mindedness that a lot of transguys get about a lot of things makes them fit in the alternative bit quite well. I've noticed a lot of guys having the stretchers as well. But I wouldn't call it a trans-thing.
(I've got two holes in my left lobe, my right is clean, though they're rather small. I don't do gauges sizes like the rest of the world (Netherlands) but they're 5 and 3 mm)
I personally feel that only a few people look good with the big plugs, but to each his own I suppose.
Quote from: anibioman on October 26, 2011, 02:10:38 PM
gauges? a lot of people have pierced ears and a lot of 'lesbians' have gauges and then come out as ftms. im glad i never got my ears pierced, except for a cartilage piercing that i took out last year and is closed up.
What a lot of generalization. Having stretched ears doesn't mean you will come out as ftm.
Quote from: Andy8715 on October 26, 2011, 02:17:33 PM
What a lot of generalization. Having stretched ears doesn't mean you will come out as ftm.
im not saying just because they have gauges they will come out as ftm. what i ment is that they are popular among lesbians. so trans guys that used to identify as lesbians often have them, i dont know any guys who didnt identify as lesbians that now have gauges. if you get what im saying.
Quote from: anibioman on October 26, 2011, 02:51:28 PM
im not saying just because they have gauges they will come out as ftm. what i ment is that they are popular among lesbians. so trans guys that used to identify as lesbians often have them, i dont know any guys who didnt identify as lesbians that now have gauges. if you get what im saying.
you say you don't know any guys who didn't id as lesbians that have gauges. i never identified as lesbian but i had (and am working back towards) stretched ears. small sizes, but stretched nonetheless. i also know MANY cisguys that have stretched ears, and i'm fairly certain they were never lesbians :P i agree with those of you who said it's just a thing with our generation, especially alternative kids.
The term is plugs, not gauges. Ugh that is my pet peeve. Most of the people I know with stretched ears are straight cis men.
Quote from: Andy8715 on October 26, 2011, 03:11:52 PM
The term is plugs, not gauges. Ugh that is my pet peeve.
Yeah, this
A gauge is a unit of measurement, it is not a verb. You guys might as well be saying "I see a lot of people with centimetred ears".
I just got mine done. Mostly because I couldn't till now.
I like that haha I got my ears centimetered.
Quite a few of my friends have stretched ears. Mine are currently at 8mm and 6mm. It's just the youth of today.
I have my ears stretched. Just wanted to agree with everyone suggesting that it has more to do with popularity of plugs among younger people rather than it being an ftm "thing" or any other "thing" directly related to one's gender identity/sexuality/etc.
My mom had my ears pierced when I was 4 but I never wore earrings growing up. Somehow, they stayed open all of those years and I started stretching my ears about 9 years ago. It's interesting to me how popular it's gotten.
I had one ear at 0g and the other at closed. xD But I ended up taking the pincher out, and letting that one close up too, because of ROTC, my mother, and the expense of tea tree oil, jewelry, and ptfe tape. :/
Probably for the best anyway. Tea tree oil should never be applied to a stretched piercing or any piercing for that matter, it's way too harsh.
I always see guys with guages. I think they look ugly, unless they're small enough, then they're just meh. And they're a bit more damaging than just piercing.
Really? A bunch of people told me to cut it with some witch hazel and olive oil and massage my ear with it. o.O
Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on October 26, 2011, 07:32:30 PM
And they're a bit more damaging than just piercing.
Not if you are doing it right.
Quote from: Bradd on October 26, 2011, 07:33:13 PM
Really? A bunch of people told me to cut it with some witch hazel and olive oil and massage my ear with it. o.O
Witch hazel is also pretty harsh, seeing as it's an astringent. Really you don't need any of that other than maybe some vitamin E oil.
Vitamin E oil? Cool. Maybe if I get my ears re-pierced and decide to stretch again I'll go that route.
Quote from: Ryan on October 26, 2011, 05:06:39 PM
It's just the youth of today.
^ This. I started stretching when I was 14 and didn't stop until I was about 16. I've had my ears pierced since I was 9 and never liked wearing earrings (I always thought it was too girly), so I figured I might as well do something with my piercings since they weren't closing.
Definitely a young people thing. Very very common with all genders. Or just a modern thing, that fashion-conscious people of several generations currently engage in. I think it's a little squicky, but I respect all body modification in theory. Trick out and redefine whatever you want. We only exist for so long, anyway.
Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on October 26, 2011, 07:32:30 PM
I always see guys with guages. I think they look ugly, unless they're small enough, then they're just meh. And they're a bit more damaging than just piercing.
Same here; I've never really understood the appeal. :P And I've noticed that a lot of the things people in my age group do, make no sense to me.
My ears are stretched to 5/8" (16mm). I think its just a coincidence that I used to identify as a lesbian.
I started stretching my ears when i was 19, and over about 5 years got them to the size I have now. Thought about going to 3/4", but then I realized I would have to buy all new plugs, and I like the ones I have now. It kind of started as a rebellion thing, I wanted nothing to do with anything that could be considered "normal". I've since gotten over that (a long with my former crust punk wardrobe and blue hair) but I still really like how it looks. Can't really explain why, I just do.
Regarding safety, its only dangerous if you do it wrong, You have to go slowly and only 1 size at a time or you will mess up your ears. Ive seen kids try to go up a size every 2 weeks or so, or try to stretch too much at once, and it ends up looking horrible. If you don't give your skin time to recover (at LEAST 2 months) the ear lobe can tear when you try to stretch it, or areas can get too thin and weak. If theres ever blood, you've done something horribly wrong, and you will probably end up with an infection.
My lobes are at 0 right now. I've had them for 3 years. Yes, before I came out as FTM. No, I don't care what you think about it.
P.S. Emu Oil is pretty good too. I have a bottle of that for lube.
My friend is going to re-pierce my ears. They're a bit off from when my mum had 'em pierced when I was 5 and after that I'm going to start stretching. I think if I got my way I'd go to 7/8 (and probably 1") but since I need to worry about a professional career I can deal with 0. I used to think stretched ears were gross and then my friend corrupted me. I like little ones too but intensely stretched ears...me gusta.
I kind of know what the OP means. Most of the transguys I hear from have some piercings, including plugs
A lot of guys both transgendered and cis seem to be into the plug thing
Similar to one of the earlier posters, I had my ears pierced when I was quite young (bout five years old) and I decided to start stretching them as it was a way of masculinising myself before I started medically transitioning. Plus I liked how they looked :D I wanted to make some sort of big physical change without putting more holes into my body (facial piercings and the like).
However I originally planned to only go up to 10mm.... then I thought "Oh yeah, 13mm should be good as." and it was... for about 6 months. Now I'm 22mm in one ear and 20mm in the other lol. I've had them this size about 2+ years now, I've been thinking of going bigger but am pretty content with where they're at now.
Quote from: anibioman on October 26, 2011, 02:51:28 PM
i dont know any guys who didnt identify as lesbians that now have gauges. if you get what im saying.
*waves*
Formerly 'straight', now pretty damn gay and I have my ears stretched.
Also, not directed at you personally, but everyone: it's stretching, not gauging. And they're called plugs, not gauges.
Quote from: Ryan on October 26, 2011, 05:06:39 PM
It's just the youth of today.
I'm almost 30. My roommate is 38 and he has stretched ears. I remember back when I was 16 kids were stretching their ears, this is when I started stretching mine. It's not just the youth of today. Damn now I sound old. Get off my lawn.
Yeah but vega you started in youth. I still think it's a young people thing, even if those people like it and keep doing it as they age. It has gotten more common lately, though, so maybe most of us usually only see it on teenagers and twenty-somethings.
Lol regarding feeling old - I'm thirty and my kid referred to a magazine as a "blog" the other day, totally with a straight face. She didn't get why I was laughing. Culture changes fast.
At 33 I just started to do mine. Also just got a mohawk ha. Did both since this is the first time I've been able to.
well now I dont have any stretch but I somehow got a idea that its something about attention.
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1; to have some earrings, a special hairstyle, or anything like that, you might leave the attention away on your more femenine parts to these parts,
I do the same with my wrist, put up bracelet on and so so they will notice them insteed.
2; then I think its something about killing time, I dont know how to explain it but I think by getting pircings I felt I where doing something for the meantime something about my body I liked, I thought looked pretty (of corse only if your into these) I dont know if its only been me thought.
3; then I think it kinda maculine to have stretch, of corse women has them as well, but I still think its a kinda boyish thing compared to many other earings who seam more femenine for guys and girls.
Wesley that's cool. I saw the pic of it, and I bet it feels good. I understand doing something because you finally can. I got a mohawk last year after finally getting awarded full and sole custody of my daughter. Lol I didn't dare do it while custody was in dispute, and I couldn't do it with the jobs I used to work.
I recently stopped shaving it, though, and it's a scraggly weird mess. The only time I've ever paid for a haircut I asked for a men's short cut, and the lady gave me something else, and explained that I wouldn't be pretty with what I'd wanted. So I don't want to go to a shop, but I have no idea how to cut my own hair. I'll figure it out when it gets shaggy.
I'm veering off topic. Stretched ears! See, I brought it back. It's okay now. ;D
Yep just now medically retired from military so its my way of celebrating I guess. I got a pair of clippers so I can do my own hair. I have no idea how to cut it be I'll figure it out.
Yes stretched ears are badass. >:-)
You'll save so much money owning your own clippers. See if you can get someone to do it for you. Almost anybody can do mohawks. I had my boyfriend doing mine, and then when we broke up I did it myself for a few months. Takes me at least twice as long (mirror dancing), but it's doable and free (ur mom's doable and free (couldn't resist)).
My whole family's military, and I know I couldn't join for a number of reasons, but I give you my respect both for serving and for surviving that culture.
Stretched ears. :angel:
I was a bit confused, too, with the topic. I was like, "Hmm... Transguys and earplugs.."
I had mine at a six when I was sixteen, pretty sue I got rid of them before I turned seventeen.
I stretched them again, when I was about twenty to a four; got rid of them again.
Then, for my twenty-first birthday, Ladylove and I got them punched. I got them punched to a two, and she got her second holes done at a six.
Mine are now a double zero [10mm], but I am quite jealous of her doubles, so Sunday I will go see what my piercer has to say.
I have eleven piercings in my face, and more that are not in my face.
I also have two tattoos.
I just enjoy the feeling.
I have to say that punching your lobes is not really the best idea. It gives you less tissue in that area with which to stretch. If you are not planning on stretching further then I guess it's not too bad of an idea to get punched but scalpelling is probably the best idea since it doesn't take out any tissue.
Quote from: Andy8715 on October 29, 2011, 10:50:41 AM
I have to say that punching your lobes is not really the best idea. It gives you less tissue in that area with which to stretch. If you are not planning on stretching further then I guess it's not too bad of an idea to get punched but scalpelling is probably the best idea since it doesn't take out any tissue.
How does scalpelling well? -scaredface-
Quote from: Natkat on October 28, 2011, 05:24:34 PM
well now I dont have any stretch but I somehow got a idea that its something about attention.
Nope. I do it because I like how it looks. Same with my hair and other piercings. I don't give a ->-bleeped-<- if people want to look at it or not.
Quote from: JetBlackAndJealous on October 29, 2011, 11:04:24 AM
How does scalpelling well? -scaredface-
Obviously meant work, just kinda outta sorts from being sick today. ;[
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I've made a little diagram. The picture on the left is a small gauge piercing that is off center of the lobe. The red line represents a cut the person doing the scalpelling would make. This would enable the flesh to open up along the cut line and you would be able to put a larger sized plug in and make the hole more centered. The result would be the right image.
Scalpelling is ideal for positioning off center piercings but can also be done in lieu of stretching but the cuts are best done in 1mm increments and must be done by a professional who has experience doing such a thing because it's very easy to slice too much and destroy your lobe. Also it's best to do 1mm increments because scalpelling tends to make the lobe more stretchy.
While I know it is just either a stereotype or coincidence, whatever, I do find it amusing that I know off hand 6 people in my hometown who are FTM and all of them besides me have stretched ears, tattoos and/or other piercings.
Quote from: Andy8715 on October 29, 2011, 02:34:07 PM
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I've made a little diagram. The picture on the left is a small gauge piercing that is off center of the lobe. The red line represents a cut the person doing the scalpelling would make. This would enable the flesh to open up along the cut line and you would be able to put a larger sized plug in and make the hole more centered. The result would be the right image.
Scalpelling is ideal for positioning off center piercings but can also be done in lieu of stretching but the cuts are best done in 1mm increments and must be done by a professional who has experience doing such a thing because it's very easy to slice too much and destroy your lobe. Also it's best to do 1mm increments because scalpelling tends to make the lobe more stretchy.
I don't know.. I also wouldn't want my holes to blend in with the lower ones. Also, it looks quite painful as well. The punch wasn't bad at all.
Quote from: Da Monkey on October 29, 2011, 02:46:34 PM
While I know it is just either a stereotype or coincidence, whatever, I do find it amusing that I know off hand 6 people in my hometown who are FTM and all of them besides me have stretched ears, tattoos and/or other piercings.
I have all of the above - thirteen piercings, 00g ears, and two tattoos. They make me feel more like I'm supposed to be.
Yeah I find that most people generally look more attractive that way, just it's not something for me.
If you have more than one hole yeah it's probably not the best for you. It's no more painful than a punch and I feel it would be less painful than dermal punching if anything.
Monkey, it's not for everyone, but that's the good thing; it doesn't have to be.
Andy, well, I only have one, but I want another. I think girlfriend and I are just gonna get our lips pierced more. I'll end up with six in my lip, and she will just have the one.
Really, I am surprised by the responses in this thread. You do not think it is an FTM thing? Well, I guess that does tell that it's probably not an explicitly FTM thing like the one-earring of gay men or thumb ring of lesbians. But these trans guys are usually wearing two plugs/earrings, so I doubted it could just be a gay male thing. I could see how it is an alternative thing. However, I *do* think there are an unusual amount of FTMs wearing plugs and earrings. When I attended the Philly Trans Health Conference, I noticed this. I mentioned it to a trans guy there who doesn't wear either, and he said he noticed the same thing and didn't know why. The particular guy I spoke to is a law student at Harvard, so it's not surprising he skipped out on the alternative wear.
Tell me this isn't striking... I just looked up this topic after looking at the following photo project. All but two of these ten trans guys is wearing a plug or earring, and most are wearing plugs. (Except also one whose ears are invisible.) Also, half of them have other facial piercings.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/behold/2013/07/09/lorenzo_triburgo_transportraits_captures_the_heroism_of_transgender_men.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/behold/2013/07/09/lorenzo_triburgo_transportraits_captures_the_heroism_of_transgender_men.html)
I do live in a most "conservatively dressed" city - Washington, D.C. - and 10% of our population identifies as TLGB, and I don't see many in the QT community, let alone straight cis men, wearing distinctive earrings/plugs like this (and I'm 24 and hang with people my age). I also attended the National Animal Rights Conference in 2009 in D.C. and noticed that a lot of alternative people attended that conference... where I'm originally from - Texas - there were a fair number of teenagers who looked goth and punk and such, but I never see that in D.C. So when I saw that at the AR Conference I was like, "whoa!" But I don't recall noticing people wearing earrings of any particular sort. I haven't paid that much attention to it, but it never stood out to me before PTHC. I'll have to keep an eye out now, but I think it really is an FTM thing, even if it's partly due to trans people being more alternative... I suspect trans guys seeing other trans guys and thinking it looks cool and following suit. I could be wrong, but this makes sense to me! It's probably a combination of things.
Also, I notice a lot of trans guys with tattoos... I always thought that this is because, given that trans guys already may feel like they don't fit in, they don't have as much of a desire to try to be normal by avoiding tattoos? Or maybe it's a masculine thing to have big arm tattoos? I don't know. Anyway, I was a little surprised by all the plugs and earrings because they seem like things society would consider more feminine? I guess a lot of trans men already have their ears pierced anyway since the time they were presenting as girls, so it's easy to go forward from there. Sorry, this is all a bunch of speculation. I will shut up now.
Quote from: Tlaxcalli on July 09, 2013, 01:54:13 PM
I do live in a most "conservatively dressed" city - Washington, D.C.
Well there you go.
It is definitely not just an ftm thing, I've seen lots of guys doing guages. (They're mostly teenagers) I don't know if they're as popular as they were, this thread's like 2 years old.
Tattoos aren't uncommon either, trans or cis.
Wow, so funny an old thread about this pops up because I have been wondering the -exact- same thing.
Plugs don't seem very common here, so I may be biased (as in, I don't see them very often where I live, so seeing a few guys with them online might seem like a lot, while it would be average in, for example, America) But after watching a lot of youtube videos from trans guys, it did strike me that so many of them had plugs. I always notice them because personally, I don't like plugs. (not meant to offense anyone. I just personally am not fond of them).
Some people can pull them off really well. While they are definitely prevalent among trans guys, you have to remember that they are also really popular in the 18 (or younger) - 30 crowd in the general population, which is an age group that is seeing a large influx of transitioning guys. It is partially an extension of that.
They do seem to be catching on....whether cis or trans.
They aren't for me though. My ears have never been pierced and I don't have plans on ever getting them pierced or stretched out.
I got to a 00 and took them out about a month and a half or so ago. Just out of curiosity I tested to see what size taper I could use and now they're both 8g. I decided to stop when I enrolled in College and want to get a good job one day. I have tattoos but I can hide ink by wearing long sleeves. Having stretched ears in a more conservative State is just one more hurdle towards employment that I don't need. Now I'm stuck with hundreds of dollars in plugs (Zoomorphic/Anatometal/Omerica) that I'll never use. Probably throw them on ebay eventually.
I will continue getting ink. Just nothing on my hands or neck.
I think trans men are more likely to wear plugs because a lot of young "girls" get their ears pierced by their parents, or they've been through an uber femme stage to try and fit in with their peers and got their ears pierced then. That way they've already got the holes in both of their ears. I started stretching mine (pierced because I wanted to wear an earring like the cool guys did at my school but the only way I could get it done was to have both pierced as I'm not out at home), but I ripped them out taking my motorcycle helmet off and they started bleeding and got nasty and completely closed up. I'm not fussed enough to get them repierced to do it properly, but part of me wishes I could so that the scar tissue from being pierced/messed around stretching them isn't visible.
I got my ears pierced when I was a teen and started stretching them at the same time. I've been the same size since I was 17. I started stretching at maybe 15.
Quote from: Tlaxcalli on July 09, 2013, 01:54:13 PM
Really, I am surprised by the responses in this thread. You do not think it is an FTM thing?
No, I don't. See a lot of one group doing something or having something doesn't mean it's exclusive to that group only. Correlation does not imply causation is a phrase I feel is fitting here.
Quote from: kyle_lawrence on October 27, 2011, 12:53:40 PM
My ears are stretched to 5/8" (16mm). I think its just a coincidence that I used to identify as a lesbian.
I started stretching my ears when i was 19, and over about 5 years got them to the size I have now. Thought about going to 3/4", but then I realized I would have to buy all new plugs, and I like the ones I have now. It kind of started as a rebellion thing, I wanted nothing to do with anything that could be considered "normal". I've since gotten over that (a long with my former crust punk wardrobe and blue hair) but I still really like how it looks. Can't really explain why, I just do.
Regarding safety, its only dangerous if you do it wrong, You have to go slowly and only 1 size at a time or you will mess up your ears. Ive seen kids try to go up a size every 2 weeks or so, or try to stretch too much at once, and it ends up looking horrible. If you don't give your skin time to recover (at LEAST 2 months) the ear lobe can tear when you try to stretch it, or areas can get too thin and weak. If theres ever blood, you've done something horribly wrong, and you will probably end up with an infection.
^-- depending. I went from 20g to 14g in two weeks, granted my lobes are pliable and the piercings had been fully healed for 10 years.
I agree that it's more of a 'youth culture' or 'alternative' thing. Here in the Seattle area, you can't walk 20ft without seeing through a hipsters ears. It seems a nod-to/appropriation-of tribal practices; the same way tribal style tattoos were the 'rage' in the 90s.
Hah, this reminds me of when I didn't know what "stretching your ears" was. I associated tunnel&plugs to trans people as well and I thought it was like a thing only people within the community did because so many had them!
Anyways, I learned more about them and started to realize that tons of people stretch their ears, not just ftms.
P.s: I stretched one of mine. It's at a 2g right now and I don't plan on stretching anymore :p.
I had to take my 5/8" plugs out about a week ago >< I stretched too quickly and was having some problems from it. They didn't seem to be healing at all and kept bleeding. They've shrunk a lot but there's still a decent sized hole there, too bad I don't have my old smaller jewelry to put in it anymore. I'll probably have to get one of my ears scalpeled when I start stretching them again, the person who did it made one of them off-center so it's got one spot that gets pretty thin when stretched.
Don't make the same mistakes I did, take good care of your ears and stretching won't be harmful or even painful at all.
My ears were pierced without my permission and I'm sure there are other faab folk that have had the same thing happen who may have not have pierced their ears if they were born cis men instead.
And even with not having the earring in the ear...one will still has the holes that were obviously from ear piercings and I think that streching one's ears is like "taking the piercing back" and making it something they would have done instead of just pierced their ears because not that many cis guys tend to have earrings.
Like pretty much everyone else is saying, it's just a common thing among younger guys, especially the musician/artist types. Quite a few of my friends in High School had them, along with essentially everyone who was in a band and the "skater" guys.
They're pretty gross, imo. If they aren't maintained constantly, they start to smell horrid in no time at all.
Quote from: Horizon on July 14, 2013, 08:29:10 PM
They're pretty gross, imo. If they aren't maintained constantly, they start to smell horrid in no time at all.
Simple regular washing and they're fine. The jewelry people choose has a lot to do with that as well, acrylic tends to make your ears smell especially bad, at least in my experience.
Quote from: wheat thins are delicious on July 14, 2013, 10:44:26 PM
Simple regular washing and they're fine. The jewelry people choose has a lot to do with that as well, acrylic tends to make your ears smell especially bad, at least in my experience.
Yeah, acrylic and other porous materials need washing more than metals.
All I know about it is that our local Vons that we've been going to for the past thirteen years, turned me down for a courtesy clerk position (even after having the manager chase down my mom asking if I was still looking) based on the excuse of "your shirt wasn't professional enough" (a button down, no less or more than what they wear in uniform). Meanwhile, what should I see a month later? A 20-something guy with his earlobes actually down to his jawline bagging our groceries. Hypocrisy? They gen an A++.
Anyhow. I would never do that to my body. The farthest I've gone is a 16G labret (that I removed in 2010). I don't understand it but hey, whatever they like and want to do is their business. I'm not knocking it. But all the same I'd be lying if I didn't state being passed over for someone with this exreme amenity for a job I was told my SHIRT wasn't "professional enough" for (despite they use uniforms on the clock)... didn't really chap my ass... 'cause it really did.
Quote from: Magnus on July 16, 2013, 08:26:03 AM
(a button down, no less or more than what they wear in uniform)
A button down or button up? There is a difference. Also, there are more anti-discriminatory laws against body modifications than there used to be. And you never know- the dude could have been wearing a three piece suit to his interview.