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  Lol ok guys like the question asks: Would you rather be really pretty like perfectly feminine body & face but have a penis or would you rather have a fully functioning vagina but be extremely masculine looking?


  Discuss  :)

A no-brainer for me, I would much, much rather pick the "gorgeous" option. Why? Because then I'd only be dysphoric about one thing, if I were the latter everything else would bother me except for that one thing

Reality is different, though. I'm masculine *and* fugly. ;D

As I don't like today method of SRS and believe in better option in near future I have easy choice
And also when I feel fine most time, because I don't feel that thing and have imaginary vagina

I voted neither, because I don't want to be "a ts".

You can be as pretty as you want, but if people still see you as "a ts", then it doesn't really matter how pretty you are, you will still be an outsider.

+ 1

Axelle

The two choices are not mutually exclusive and are totally unrelated.  It's like asking if you'd like to drive a red car or if you'd rather drive a Ford...

     The terrible, awful, mind-consuming anxiety of being transgender can be cured completely through GCS.  Nearly every post-op will tell you that the first thing on their mind when they came out of surgery was an incredible sense of calm and well-being in their head. 

      Having been there myself, I cannot believe the change in my brain from pre-op to post-op.  GCS is not nearly so much as what's in your panties as it is what's in your brain.  I can now sit and think of nothing if I want to, I am not obsessed with trans issues any longer.  After a life time of anxiety over gender, I am now just another woman, doing what women do. 

      My body is also changing more since GCS.  I'm a very happy girl. 

     So, to answer your question, I got both after GCS.  I feel wonderful and I'm looking better every day...

Sorry but I'm going to have my cake and eat it too.

Quote from: Re: Joyce on November 11, 2011, 04:46:37 AM
The two choices are not mutually exclusive and are totally unrelated.  It's like asking if you'd like to drive a red car or if you'd rather drive a Ford...

Ford! But it better be a Crown Victoria Police Interceptor, oh yeah! Sorry , yeah that was totally unrelated.

Anyways back on track,
I know we would all like to have our cake and eat it, but if those where my only two choices I'd rather be really pretty like perfectly feminine body & face but have a penis, besides no one needs to know what's in my panties but me, my SO and my docter.  :o

I'm trying to piss off the OP Jen-Jen #2. Lol.

Everyone see my face and how my clothes outline my figure.

Very, very few people will ever see my "junk".

Maybe a better way to phrase this question is, "which procedure would you have FIRST....."

First option, obviously. It's not like sex is anything important...

   Haha thanks for voting guys & sorry i don't get pissed off that easy but nice try anyway!  ;D


   Yeah i picked the first option. Growing up the main cause of my dysphoria was not my genitals but rather other things about my body that were male. I'm already pretty but if i could be more feminine like having a smaller frame, being shorter, etc i'd choose that over having a neo-vagina any day of the week!  ;)

Better to look the part than have the part.

I get asked out by random guys on the street no matter what I wear. I should get SRS, but I don't wanna.

But I mean if you're an older transitioners, chances are you won't have the option of being a beautiful young girl. So they sync more to the idea of SRS... Like this one:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fprofile.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fhprofile-ak-snc4%2F368729_100000590198239_897769259_n.jpg&hash=dd23e4f49b0363734b469283aae2ffd1090d83a8)

Quote from: Michelle. on November 11, 2011, 12:57:58 PM
Everyone see my face and how my clothes outline my figure.

Very, very few people will ever see my "junk".

Maybe a better way to phrase this question is, "which procedure would you have FIRST....."

Most people don't care what someone has in their pants. I know I've met plenty of ts people who tell me, "I'm post op" who try to get one over on me and I am like, "Did it do anything for that face of yours? Oh, didn't think so." As if having srs, is going to change peoples physical perceptions of them. Thus ffs/ba are a lot more important.

We interact with the face... Not with the privates.

It has always been looks for me. What is, or isn't, inside my panties only I know.

You call me shallow for needing other people accept me as a woman. Thank makes it tons easier for me to accept myself for who I am. I do far too good of a job beating myself up. I don't need help from others.

Quote from: JoanneB on November 11, 2011, 04:57:16 PM
It has always been looks for me. What is, or isn't, inside my panties only I know.

You call me shallow for needing other people accept me as a woman. Thank makes it tons easier for me to accept myself for who I am. I do far too good of a job beating myself up. I don't need help from others.

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I am shallow and superficial.... It's not bad.

But a lot of transitioners come from a different mold...Namely nerdy types. I question with some of them where the fantasy begins and ends. They were never good looking men, much less women. So they grasp to SRS because it's their only femininity. I respect that....

If I couldn't pull this off...I'd be a drag queen on the weekends instead of a faux queen never. I knew the stakes were that high...

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on November 11, 2011, 05:02:22 PM
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I am shallow and superficial.... It's not bad.
If I couldn't pull this off...I'd be a drag queen on the weekends instead of a faux queen never. I knew the stakes were that high...

  Yeah 4realz, if there was no chance of me ever passing even with FFS then i'd probably never have done this. Call me superficial but whats the use of changing your gender if you'll never be seen as the gender your presenting as?   :icon_crazy:


  I don't like my genitals nor do i want to keep them but my outward appearance and how society see's me is much more important. 

Quote from: Rukia87xo on November 11, 2011, 06:02:52 PM

Call me superficial but whats the use of changing your gender if you'll never be seen as the gender your presenting as?   :icon_crazy:


  I don't like me genitals nor do i want to keep them but my outward appearance and how society see's me is much more important.

+1

Appearances are extremely important. A lot of men have told me they wish I'd get srs, cuz I would be the perfect woman for them. Of course, some can still tell...But it's levelled off over the past two years. I think makeup skills go along way but also not dressing like a gay boy helped. But some people can still tell, they are rare and mainly of the fanboy variety(as if their opinion holds water, it doesn't)

But I am 5'5" and petite..

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on November 11, 2011, 06:11:41 PM
But I am 5'5" and petite..

  I HATE you...i'm 5'9 and have more of a medium body frame.  ::)

Quote from: Rukia87xo on November 11, 2011, 01:45:20 AM

  Lol ok guys like the question asks: Would you rather be really pretty like perfectly feminine body & face but have a penis or would you rather have a fully functioning vagina but be extremely masculine looking?


  Discuss  :)

Kia Ora R,

::) Beauty fades with time[it's shallow only skin deep and in the eye of the beholder]-nothing is permanent-but the peace that comes from have matching parts 'mind & body' will in the long run bring more contentment in old age...[As long as the desire to have a vagina was the overall goal]...

Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on November 11, 2011, 06:11:41 PM
But I am 5'5" and petite..

Quote from: Rukia87xo on November 11, 2011, 06:19:41 PM

  I HATE you...i'm 5'9 and have more of a medium body frame.  ::)

Oh shush.
I'm 5'8.5 right now.
But i'm prolly not done growing yet, so i might get taller.

oh, and i have football-player-shoulders.
woe is me.

:D

Quote from: Zenda on November 11, 2011, 06:37:39 PM
Kia Ora R,

::) Beauty fades with time[it's shallow only skin deep and in the eye of the beholder]-nothing is permanent-but the peace that comes from have matching parts 'mind & body' will in the long run bring more contentment in old age...[As long as the desire to have a vagina was the overall goal]...

Metta Zenda :)

Hate to remind you. But being a woman is a lot more than having a vagina.

Quote from: Zenda on November 11, 2011, 06:37:39 PM
Kia Ora R,

::) Beauty fades with time[it's shallow only skin deep and in the eye of the beholder]-nothing is permanent-but the peace that comes from have matching parts 'mind & body' will in the long run bring more contentment in old age...[As long as the desire to have a vagina was the overall goal]...

Metta Zenda :)

How is wanting your face, shoulders, hips and chest to look right any different from wanting your crotch to look right? I need ALL of me to match, not just one piece.

And secondly, I'm 27. I don't want to be content in old age, I want to be content NOW. Actually, no I don't want "content" at all; I want AWESOME.

You can call me shallow all day long. Won't make me any less delighted that I turned out pretty.

Quote from: Rukia87xo on November 11, 2011, 06:19:41 PM
  I HATE you...i'm 5'9 and have more of a medium body frame.  ::)

I'm 6'. :P

I want people to treat me like who I am inside, and I want to feel at one with myself. I would not mind being old and unattractive if I could at least be Lily.

Quote from: Lily on November 11, 2011, 08:53:45 PM
I want people to treat me like who I am inside, and I want to feel at one with myself. I would not mind being old and unattractive if I could at least be Lily.

Different strokes for different folks.

If I were an extremely masculine person with a vagina, it's doubtful that I would even bother trying to present as female. I would just harm the TS image as a whole, for one. Secondly, presenting as female while not possibly being able to pass would depress me more in the end; the social ostricization that would go on would be worse than living a lie to myself. I can handle my own enmity, but I am not the kind of person that can simply "not care" about what other people think about me.

That sounds pretty miserable, as a vagina would not even allow intimacy if I were to just live as male.

... So, I would pick passable with a penis. It's a lot more manageable for my personality - I won't cheat by wanting both ;)

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on November 11, 2011, 07:06:06 PM
Hate to remind you. But being a woman is a lot more than having a vagina.

Kia Ora Mahsa,

::) And when did I say it was not ?

::) "Different strokes for different folks !"  ;)

Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: Zenda on November 11, 2011, 10:15:45 PM
Kia Ora Mahsa,

::) And when did I say it was not ?

Okay, then we both agree to agree.

Quote from: Sarah7 on November 11, 2011, 07:52:38 PM
How is wanting your face, shoulders, hips and chest to look right any different from wanting your crotch to look right? I need ALL of me to match, not just one piece.

And secondly, I'm 27. I don't want to be content in old age, I want to be content NOW. Actually, no I don't want "content" at all; I want AWESOME.

You can call me shallow all day long. Won't make me any less delighted that I turned out pretty.

I'm 6'. :P

Kia Ora Sarah,

::) Now lets not go getting ones underwear in a twist...I'm not calling anybody 'shallow', I'm just stating a "fact"  "Beauty is only skin deep " =Shallow....

Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on November 11, 2011, 10:19:12 PM
Okay, then we both agree to agree.

Kia Ora Mahsa,

::) So are you saying you 'agree' with me ?  ;)

Metta Zenda :)

Quote from: Zenda on November 11, 2011, 10:30:37 PM
Kia Ora Mahsa,

::) So are you saying you 'agree' with me ?  ;)

Metta Zenda :)

Meh. It could go either way.

I've seen transsexuals who are post-op and still look male facially.  That seems truly pointless.  Being gorgeous is the way to go!  Though, if you were gorgeous without a vjay, you couldn't share your gorgeousness in bed with a hot guy :(

Quote from: Rukia87xo on November 11, 2011, 01:45:20 AM

  Lol ok guys like the question asks: Would you rather be really pretty like perfectly feminine body & face but have a penis or would you rather have a fully functioning vagina but be extremely masculine looking?


  Discuss  :)

If you insist on using "extremely" then I'll have to go with the former.

Also, I have to insist that in a real world example, the problem with "a" can still be fixed, and the problem with "b" can't.

I would choose pretty. Having a tiny painful temporary hole between my legs really isn't all I thought it would be, and when I look in the mirror I am disgusted by what I see. Of course, I chose SRS rather than FFS so that's a bit of inconsistency isn't it. I wanted the vaj (no idea anymore why*) and didn't want the surgeon peeling my face down. *shudder*

*(But hey it's still better than a dangly thing.)

Quote from: ZeldaHeart on November 12, 2011, 03:37:27 AM
I've seen transsexuals who are post-op and still look male facially.  That seems truly pointless.  Being gorgeous is the way to go!  Though, if you were gorgeous without a vjay, you couldn't share your gorgeousness in bed with a hot guy :(

agree! To answer TS i would choose the first... Being totally hot but with a penis. Then i would plan for srs and have both :D

Depends if the word "masculine" can be read as "boyish" since I absolutely love girls with a boyish look and in the case would definitely pick that. However if you mean have a big manface then I.. I.. guess the first.

Quote from: ZeldaHeart on November 12, 2011, 03:37:27 AM
I've seen transsexuals who are post-op and still look male facially.  That seems truly pointless.  Being gorgeous is the way to go!  Though, if you were gorgeous without a vjay, you couldn't share your gorgeousness in bed with a hot guy :(

   Agreed, it does seem pointless.

 

Quoteyou couldn't share your gorgeousness in bed with a hot guy :(]

  Yeah that would suck but at least you look the part!  :D

Quote from: ZeldaHeart on November 12, 2011, 03:37:27 AM
I've seen transsexuals who are post-op and still look male facially.  That seems truly pointless.  Being gorgeous is the way to go!  Though, if you were gorgeous without a vjay, you couldn't share your gorgeousness in bed with a hot guy :(

Like some people already mentioned, it's much easier to fix that thing in your pants than it is to fix an extremely masculine face. So IMHO being gorgeous with a penis is much more pointless than being masculine without one. Besides, it's not just about looks, it's also about confidence. That masculine looking person may be a lot happier and confident than the good looking one who is constantly facing rejection when people find out what's in the pants.

Quote from: Joandelynn on November 13, 2011, 05:41:33 AM
Besides, it's not just about looks, it's also about confidence. That masculine looking person may be a lot happier and confident than the good looking one who is constantly facing rejection when people find out what's in the pants.

AMEN !!!!

Love
Catherine

i would chose the feminine body and face. . . . . then use my charms to make the surgeon give me a free vagina  >:-)

x x

Quote from: Joandelynn on November 13, 2011, 05:41:33 AM
That masculine looking person may be a lot happier and confident than the good looking one who is constantly facing rejection when people find out what's in the pants.

   Lol, being able to leave my apartment without fear of being rejected by society sounds much more appealing IMHO.

Quotethe good looking one who is constantly facing rejection when people find out what's in the pants.

  It's not just about sex, it's about looking the part & blending in with other women.

i would rather be a really beautiful female than have a vagina, but look like a man. having a vagina but looking like a man won't benefit you since you'll never pass and if you do get a guy to have sex with you, it will just be something for him to do when he is bored. he could always leave you for the next flavor of the month, so it wouldn't make a difference. a vagina is just something to do, but any guy worth the longhaul for me would be one who loves me on a deeper emotional level, and not just sex. also, i wouldn't go around like a common tramp door to door for sex. there's only one guy i anticipate to show any of my naked body to when the time is right, and i'll make sure he's definately the right one beforehand.

people can't use xray vision to tell what's in your pants, but they see everything else. anyway, this should speak volumes. if i had to choose between ffs if my face were masculine or srs, i would choose ffs.

Quote from: FullMoon19 on November 13, 2011, 04:18:11 PM
i would rather be a really beautiful female than have a vagina, but look like a man. having a vagina but looking like a man won't benefit you since you'll never pass and if you do get a guy to have sex with you, it will just be something for him to do when he is bored. he could always leave you for the next flavor of the month, so it wouldn't make a difference. a vagina is just something to do, but any guy worth the longhaul for me would be one who loves me on a deeper emotional level, and not just sex. also, i wouldn't go around like a common tramp door to door for sex. there's only one guy i anticipate to show any of my naked body to when the time is right, and i'll make sure he's definately the right one beforehand.

people can't use xray vision to tell what's in your pants, but they see everything else. anyway, this should speak volumes. if i had to choose between ffs if my face were masculine or srs, i would choose ffs.

I assumed every guy who wanted me was a ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-. I've yet to actually meet one. They all assumed I was a natural born girl with a real vagina. Which is a double edge sword I suppose.

So  I guess that answers my own question about passability. I don't know, I see guys react weird...apparently that is them checking me out. Like at the car show today... they smiled around me. But of course, I thought it was hostile. I am not exactly the friendliest person in public. In fact, guys have had to get my attention by acting like jerks...Because I roll my eyes at everyone.

But yeah, it's weird...when they were like, "I assumed you were a natural born girl..." and then say, "Yeah, I am not into having sex with transgirls. But you're very beautiful"

Meh, I'm ok with not so ugly personally.  Being considered pretty seems to attract some real creeps.   

Quote from: Jaime on November 13, 2011, 06:42:52 PM
Meh, I'm ok with not so ugly personally.  Being considered pretty seems to attract some real creeps.

Creeps? Yeah, constantly.... Guys stop their car and stalk me. It is really scary. plus, I had some guys at work who lacked social grace and didn't get the clue.

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on November 13, 2011, 06:33:16 PM
I assumed every guy who wanted me was a ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-. I've yet to actually meet one. They all assumed I was a natural born girl with a real vagina. Which is a double edge sword I suppose.

So  I guess that answers my own question about passability. I don't know, I see guys react weird...apparently that is them checking me out. Like at the car show today... they smiled around me. But of course, I thought it was hostile. I am not exactly the friendliest person in public. In fact, guys have had to get my attention by acting like jerks...Because I roll my eyes at everyone.

But yeah, it's weird...when they were like, "I assumed you were a natural born girl..." and then say, "Yeah, I am not into having sex with transgirls. But you're very beautiful"

then on the other side of the coin, i doubt many guys will want sex with someone who looks like a man in the clothes of a woman, but has a vagina. when a guy wants sex, he's usually just worried about finding something that meets his fancy. as long as he isn't tied down by marriage, he will most likely just be wanting sex with whatever looks most appealing until he actually finds out there's more to life than sex. i don't know what guys think, but that sounds like how most of them go through just because of all the mantras on men taking longer to grow up.

Quote from: FullMoon19 on November 13, 2011, 07:28:34 PM
then on the other side of the coin, i doubt many guys will want sex with someone who looks like a man in the clothes of a woman, but has a vagina. when a guy wants sex, he's usually just worried about finding something that meets his fancy. as long as he isn't tied down by marriage, he will most likely just be wanting sex with whatever looks most appealing until he actually finds out there's more to life than sex. i don't know what guys think, but that sounds like how most of them go through just because of all the mantras on men taking longer to grow up.

I am proud to have a penis and have no problem with it. I got what I wanted in my transition....

Well there's lifelong ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-s. I mean I've met them in the ->-bleeped-<- district of SF. I think they are turned by the andro than the binary.

Quote from: Rukia87xo on November 13, 2011, 03:10:03 PM
Lol, being able to leave my apartment without fear of being rejected by society sounds much more appealing IMHO.

I have seen both people that look very masculine and have no problem with society at all, and people that look very good, but are extremely scared, and still leave their house dressed as a guy. Of course looking good will help, but in the end it's all about confidence.

Let's not forget that there are plenty of women that look very masculine too, and they also seem to do fine.

Quote from: Rukia87xo on November 13, 2011, 03:10:03 PM

   Lol, being able to leave my apartment without fear of being rejected by society sounds much more appealing IMHO.


  It's not just about sex, it's about looking the part & blending in with other women.

+5

In my therapy group. Most of the girls(who were IT nerd "guys" with long hair during the day) only dressed up after work. They all looked awkward. Afraid to come out to their coworkers.

Yeah, it's not about sex. Most straight men would run away anyways, the idea freaks a lot of them out. The masculine ones get it from ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-s. I at least have men chasing men who think I was born with the part naturally. Rather they be honest and not stick around, then to stick around and chase me for my PENIS. They leave me with my dignity.

Straight-straight men aren't going to be into transsexual women, even if they have the part. It takes an open minded/bi man.

Quote from: Venus-Castina on December 06, 2011, 02:58:17 AM
In my experience looking obviously male while trying to present female draws a lot of unwanted atention and devastating comments which leaves the 'confidence' in ruins and torpedoes the happyness.

Just wondering, but are you talking about other people or about your own experience now? Because on the photos that you posted you definitely don't look 'obviously male' to me.

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on November 14, 2011, 03:26:58 AM
Straight-straight men aren't going to be into transsexual women, even if they have the part. It takes an open minded/bi man.

Ive been with a few guys who are completely straight. Its a load of bull to say we can only be with bi men.

Quote from: Krissy_Is_A_Gem on December 07, 2011, 11:56:57 PM
Ive been with a few guys who are completely straight. Its a load of bull to say we can only be with bi men.

Well straight men don't usualyl date women who used to present as bros.

Quote from: Krissy_Is_A_Gem on December 07, 2011, 11:56:57 PM
Ive been with a few guys who are completely straight. Its a load of bull to say we can only be with bi men.

i think that's why she included the "open minded" part. let's face it, a cisgendered person who is not willing to challenge their learned beliefs is almost impossible to count on accepting us.

Written word can come across in many different meanings depending on the person. My experience is there are a lot of hetero men out there who arnt phased by a girls background. It all does boil down to how mentally attractive you are to a person. Oh believe me I get a huge number of knock backs but at the same time Im quite happy with the number who are prepared to meet me.

Ive only met two straight guys who have been open about not minding a trans-womans past. One i met online and things went well untill i realised i wasnt ready for a relationship at that point. The other guy is dating my friend who is also trans.

very few straight men hang around gay bars though they may go in as a gang to have a laugh...same goes for straight women.   Manchesters Canal Street clubs had to start banning the groups of women who turned up just to make fun of the various TGs/Tv/TS around.

Quote from: lilacwoman on December 08, 2011, 06:42:02 AM
very few straight men hang around gay bars though they may go in as a gang to have a laugh...same goes for straight women.   Manchesters Canal Street clubs had to start banning the groups of women who turned up just to make fun of the various TGs/Tv/TS around.

Ehrm, I don't really get what point you are trying to make? Of course straight guys don't go to gay bars. If you want to find straight guys you should go somewhere else.

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 08, 2011, 12:03:46 AM
Well straight men don't usualyl date women who used to present as bros.

  That's why you don't tell them my dear Mahsa.  ;)

Quote from: Rukia87xo on December 08, 2011, 08:22:37 PM
  That's why you don't tell them my dear Mahsa.  ;)

You tell them eventually, after they've got the taste. :)

But seriously...I'd rather meet a straight man at a gay bar than go to a straight bar and have to fight off the men with a bar stool.

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 08, 2011, 10:38:20 PM
You tell them eventually, after they've got the taste. :)

But seriously...I'd rather meet a straight man at a gay bar than go to a straight bar and have to fight off the men with a bar stool.

not to mention having to do the big "->-bleeped-<- surprise". lol. I've done them in my heydays.

Quote from: MsDazzler on December 08, 2011, 10:46:29 PM
not to mention having to do the big "->-bleeped-<- surprise". lol. I've done them in my heydays.

I always end up clueing them in...I met this bro on the embarcadero. He was super into me...Like couldn't wait to stick me in the primary hole. He figured out the clues and had a crying game moment. We talked for 2 hours that night and he really enjoyed me...but I said to say, "you got any weird fetishes, like ->-bleeped-<-s or are you into anal?" then I clued him about rehearsing for this club.

This was the kind of guy who could easily spot a transgirl since he grades everyone on the pretty/ugly scale and doable/notdoable scale ... Apparently not. He had been wanking off to the photos I sent him up to that moment. LOL

I am finding there are a lot of men like that in SF, even in the circles I run(Embarcadero, Snob Hill, etc). Yet, I prefer the bi ones I meet on Castro street. Nothing is hotter than a man who has another man's tongue down his throat.

  Once you go black you don't go back!    :D

Quote from: Rukia87xo on December 09, 2011, 12:34:50 AM

  Once you go black you don't go back!    :D

That's like me and filipinos. My ideal mate is a filipino fruitcake. LOL

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 09, 2011, 12:36:33 AM
That's like me and filipinos. My ideal mate is a filipino fruitcake. LOL

  Yeah i like my black men tall dark and well endowed!

  Lol

Quote from: Rukia87xo on December 09, 2011, 12:43:18 AM
  Yeah i like my black men tall dark and well endowed!

  Lol

it's all about cute Pinays.

....and honestly, I liked them because good things come in smaller packages!! It doesn't matter if he's on the receiving end of things really. Oh those days of being on top of the world!!! LMAO :(

The question of pretty VS vagina- Pretty- hands down for reason already stated above. I was a head turner in my 20's and 30's, and look pretty good for my age. Passing was not a problem for me. Still on the sunny side of 40, I find that not having SRS has ultimately made little difference in my life, business, and other issues. ALL of the gals I know personally (not from forums) who have had it, found after care to be more problematic that anticipated, and the result while acceptable, not as fantastic as expected in their view. I hope I don't upset anyone here for writing this- don't look for any response.

My lover has never insisted on any genital manifestation one way or the other. My Lover just wants me to be healthy and safe. Since we are both facing not being luscious 20 somethings anymore, we do the best we can to maintain our beauty. Such as it is. I guess I have been uncommon lucky--

Lexi-

last night i was thinking about myself walking through a public area naked, and then including my male genitalia. it's a weird thing. to me, it's like "yeah, it's genitals, we all have them." to many others it would make me a freak of nature. i think something like a non op/pre op transperson streaking would go onto the news, and they would say something like "transsexual man." since genitals are a membership card in most circles.

Quote from: FullMoon19 on December 09, 2011, 10:14:49 AM
" since genitals are a membership card in most circles.

I don't think someones genital status really matters.

a streaker with a vagina gets smiles but one with a penis gets jeers.

Quote from: lilacwoman on December 09, 2011, 04:23:19 PM
a streaker with a vagina gets smiles but one with a penis gets jeers.

^No comment.

You know when I used to meet gay men on hook up sites. The last thing I'd think about is their penis. Yeah, it was important... But I was into their faces, chests, etc... The penis being a merely device for us to share pleasure between each other.

Thats how I view my transition...My genitals are secondary and can't change the fact that I have XY chromosomes...

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 09, 2011, 02:01:49 PM
I don't think someones genital status really matters.

neither do i. it would be nice if there's more people who used that reasoning. you could be a cisgender person and still have genital flaws. it's all equal, if only people could get that through their heads.

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 09, 2011, 04:43:18 PM
^No comment.

You know when I used to meet gay men on hook up sites. The last thing I'd think about is their penis. Yeah, it was important... But I was into their faces, chests, etc... The penis being a merely device for us to share pleasure between each other.

Thats how I view my transition...My genitals are secondary and can't change the fact that I have XY chromosomes...

i have a penis, but then i also have something called "mosaic klinefelter's." i have a mix of cells with XY/XXY chromosomes. i'm not chromosomally female, but i could hardly say i'm chromosomally male either. it shows more that it's impossible to tell someone one thing that is the absolute factor of who they should be. i'm still transgender either way. i've gone through living as a male, and then i went through gender transition to female. it was the same without having anything to do with anything else.

Quote from: Lexicaligari on December 09, 2011, 10:07:01 AM
Still on the sunny side of 40, I find that not having SRS has ultimately made little difference in my life, business, and other issues. ALL of the gals I know personally (not from forums) who have had it, found after care to be more problematic that anticipated, and the result while acceptable, not as fantastic as expected in their view. I hope I don't upset anyone here for writing this- don't look for any response.

My lover has never insisted on any genital manifestation one way or the other. My Lover just wants me to be healthy and safe. Since we are both facing not being luscious 20 somethings anymore, we do the best we can to maintain our beauty. Such as it is. I guess I have been uncommon lucky--

Lexi-

  I agree with you there about SRS being problematic and not as great as some ts women think it will be, plus there is the risk of complications and the cost of surgery...ugh. One of the things that turned me off about SRS is the whole dilating routine you have to do for rest of your life like it's not bad enough i have to take a pill every day to maintain my feminine appearance now i have to painfully insert a long object into my neo vagina to keep it from closing?

Eh i think i'd rather wait a few years and see how far medical science advances in that area before making a decision.   :D

I'd rather be pretty, my dyshoria isn't caused or associated with my penis

Quote from: Forever21Chic on November 11, 2011, 01:45:20 AM

  Lol ok guys like the question asks: Would you rather be really pretty like perfectly feminine body & face but have a penis or would you rather have a fully functioning vagina but be extremely masculine looking?


  Discuss  :)

I'm not sure how you log in to vote but I would say personally the first bit would be my vote. The first thing people see is your face and then your body. Most people don't see you undressed so will make a decision on your gender by your appearance.

Quote from: Forever21Chic on December 09, 2011, 12:43:18 AM
  Yeah i like my black men tall dark and well endowed!

  Lol

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