I've tried and tried with STP's. The issue isn't so much the STP, but the fact I can't get a good harness to work with it. Every harness I've had has not been very good and the medicine spoon keeps poking me. I took the tubing out of the STP and now use it as a packer. I currently don't use the men's room because I don't pass very well at all. I'm on HRT and hope to pass eventually. Do any of you guys sit to pee in a stall? Has this ever been an issue for anyone? Thanks!
I sit to pee in the men's room all the time and no one has ever said anything to me on it.
The one STP packer I bought didn't fit right and leaked, so I don't use it. The one STP I have that works is a medicine spoon that sits in my pocket. I use it when I need to combat dysphoria or when there is urine on the seat I don't want to deal with.
Usually though, I sit. It's what I'm used to and is more comfortable. There isn't a problem. When I started I was worried about it but after a while it just become natural.
I will say this one thing...my brother when he was little had a split stream..literally meant when he had to use the bathroom it would go in two directions. I assume that there's more than one person with this problem and can't afford/be bothered to fix it (my brother had surgery for it). I would also expect people with certain piercings might not be able to pee standing.
Just some fun excuses if you ever get bothered. I have no intentions on using an STP. Haven't successfully used a public men's room that was more than a no-stall no-urinal type.
I sit down in the mens room to pee - I actually miss womens bathrooms though most of the time, the mens are so dirty and never have paper xD
Also my partner is cis male and he always sits to pee, just a preference thing.
I sit to pee but I keep meaning to get around to mastering my medicine spoon. Very often there's a line for the stall(s) and a urinal or two right there with no line.
Quote from: Felix on March 17, 2012, 04:42:06 PM
I sit to pee but I keep meaning to get around to mastering my medicine spoon. Very often there's a line for the stall(s) and a urinal or two right there with no line.
Even if I mastered the medicine spoon, the packer I have is pink. No one I know has a pink dick. No offense. If it's just pee I can usually hold it anyway. If it's other stuff I have a "legit" reason to be waiting for a stall anyway. :D
Quote from: Darrin on March 17, 2012, 04:50:38 PM
Even if I mastered the medicine spoon, the packer I have is pink. No one I know has a pink dick. No offense. If it's just pee I can usually hold it anyway. If it's other stuff I have a "legit" reason to be waiting for a stall anyway. :D
Well my medicine spoon is plastic and bright yellow, and I'd be banking on the fact that anybody looking at my dick in the men's room is about to have a bit more to think about than whether or not it's real. I don't think it would be all that much more sketchy than sitting to pee in doorless stalls, which I do without much problem.
I'm gone from home way too much to just hold it. I'd be doing the pee dance all the time.
Quote from: Darrin on March 17, 2012, 02:44:53 PM
I've tried and tried with STP's. The issue isn't so much the STP, but the fact I can't get a good harness to work with it. Every harness I've had has not been very good and the medicine spoon keeps poking me. I took the tubing out of the STP and now use it as a packer. I currently don't use the men's room because I don't pass very well at all. I'm on HRT and hope to pass eventually. Do any of you guys sit to pee in a stall? Has this ever been an issue for anyone? Thanks!
Up until just recently I sat to pee. People say that no one notices if you do, but honestly I think they do. Especially if it's a very quiet/small bathroom and it's just you and another person. I'm a bigger guy and I've struggled with pretty much every STP I've tried. I just got the "Shewee" (awful name, I know), and it's like a miracle. So easy to use, no leaks whatsoever. Since it's not a packer STP I haven't used it a urinal but just going in the stall and being able to stand has helped my confidence big time.
Quote from: Nygeel on March 17, 2012, 03:21:08 PM
I will say this one thing...my brother when he was little had a split stream..literally meant when he had to use the bathroom it would go in two directions. I assume that there's more than one person with this problem and can't afford/be bothered to fix it (my brother had surgery for it). I would also expect people with certain piercings might not be able to pee standing.
Just some fun excuses if you ever get bothered. I have no intentions on using an STP. Haven't successfully used a public men's room that was more than a no-stall no-urinal type.
I've had a split stream all my life as a result of some odd unknown scarring that I have down there. I'm ok in the urinals, but with toilets, I have to sit or it goes everywhere. No one has ever said anything about me sitting, nor do I even think they even think about it.
Quote from: michelle666 on March 17, 2012, 05:59:08 PM
I've had a split stream all my life as a result of some odd unknown scarring that I have down there. I'm ok in the urinals, but with toilets, I have to sit or it goes everywhere. No one has ever said anything about me sitting, nor do I even think they even think about it.
The only time I think about what someone is doing in a stall is when I'm wondering if I should wait or find another bathroom. Even then I don't consider anything other than normal bathroom use vs injecting drugs or getting sick or something.
I usually use the disabled toilets, but when I have to use the mensrooms, I sit. I always figured no one would care - sometimes, if I have time and there's someone else in there, I sit a little longer after I'm done to give them the idea I may be doing Number Two - everyone has to crap after all lol
I don't use the mens room yet but when I do I will probably be sitting until I can get bottom surgery. I would probably be too lazy to go through all that red tape just to say I can stand up peeing. It's not like some cismale is going to walk up to me and give me a cookie for it.
I can see myself now in this situation:
"How do I use this flimsy contraption?" *dick and medicine spoon falls out of pants rolling under the next stall while all the guys stare at me*
I'm theoretically a guy, and don't remember ever standing to pee in a public place. I never got weird looks or anything. If I TELL people that I sit, they're very surprised and I have to make up a malformation story, but apart from that, everything is fine.
People just assume you're going to poop. Most of the time, we also pee when we do. No one would ever stand to pee THEN sit to do the rest, right?
If you're still scared, take your time. A person seeing you enter will assume that you're going to poop. If you take your time, that person will be gone, and when you come out, the people who are there won't know that you just peed.
And you can also make up a malformation story. o.o
Hey guys, are you not afraid 1 day to be 'unmask' inside and afraid that bio guys rape you or something like that?
Before I transitioned, I had never once even tried to stand to pee in a guys' room. The same went for a lot of the guys... some sat, some stood - sitting was excused with a 'laziness' clause.
I doubt you'd get a sideways look if you explained it was teh lazy. Assuming, of course, the topic comes up... otherwise, it's pretty weird to talk about how you go to the bathroom to others.
And Fighting Spirit: I can not say I've ever seen or heard of a guy try to burst into an occupied stall, no matter the circumstance. Do not try to instill fear here, please.
Interesting to know that some guys sit out of laziness. I've always thought they stood because it saved them a few seconds to do so (that, and male culture), so I'd have thought that the lazy option was to actually stand. I never knew that male culture was so strong for peeing. o.o I mean, they go through the grossness of not being able to wipe and it's harder to do it that way. x_x
As for harnesses, I don't have much to offer - sorry.
I haven't had luck w/a STP device so always sit in men's room stalls.
People haven't ever given me any grief about it.
Quote from: Fighting Spirit on March 17, 2012, 10:55:37 PM
Hey guys, are you not afraid 1 day to be 'unmask' inside and afraid that bio guys rape you or something like that?
This kind of thing can happen, but most people don't really want to rape random transguys in bathrooms. I've been walked in on repeatedly, and I've peed in bathrooms that have toilets but no stall doors, and lots of guys have looked at me. Mostly they don't see anything wrong, or don't process it if they do. They are looking to use the facilities themselves, not check out other guys' junk. Lol usually. I can't speak for everybody.
I'm a small guy but pretty aggressive with strangers in public. Even if somebody looks at me funny I tend to just act like the bigger dog.
*I want to make it very clear that I'm not pretending rape doesn't happen. Rape happens.
I've sat to pee for three decades and never had a single issue, aside from finding clean seats.
It's not because I find it "ladylike", it's because I'm a serious clean freak and standing to pee is IMHO disgusting. The neat little stream your eyes can see is only part of it. A bunch more you can't see is getting sprayed all over your clothes, the toilet, and the floor. You ever wonder why toilets used solely by men all have that sticky, smelly film all around the floor? It's not something that just happens, it builds up because of people standing to pee! </rant>
Also, when you're obese and seriously out of shape like I used to be, you simply don't pass up an opportunity to get off your feet and to air out everything "down there". Back when I was working fast food, bathroom breaks were the only opportunity I ever got to sit down...
Aaaaanyway. If you're looking for an excuse, just tell 'em you're Muslim. :P
Quote from: Fighting Spirit on March 17, 2012, 10:55:37 PM
Hey guys, are you not afraid 1 day to be 'unmask' inside and afraid that bio guys rape you or something like that?
I'd have to say that is a risk for anyone at any point and anyone can rape, not just men who were AMAB. Are some at higher risk than others? I'm sure they are. Do I live my life in fear of something that could happen to anyone? No.
I sit and always sat down when peing and I was born a male :). So do not worry!
I always sit to pee, even if I'm in male ID. Many many guys sit to pee. There was a newspaper article here that suggested that male toilets should abandon the urinals and replace them with stalls as urinals are just too disgusting.
Males are usually very conscious of male etiquette, if you say anything to a guy you don't know in the toilet then you odd.
I sit.
Im more afraid of someone spying on me/watching me/recording me than rape, its less likely in my head.
Unless you get to the toilet shortly after it's been cleaned you might find sitting difficult. Mens toilets are quite often nasty, dirty places where guys P without lifting the seat or even looking and aiming. If you go into a cubicle and there's no mess on the seat you've struck lucky. Why different rules seem to apply in public toilets I can't imagine... Be careful about letting the backs of your trousers hit the deck as well because outside of the seat the floor seems to be another target for these dirty feckers.
Quote from: smooth on March 18, 2012, 03:06:45 AM
Unless you get to the toilet shortly after it's been cleaned you might find sitting difficult. Mens toilets are quite often nasty, dirty places where guys P without lifting the seat or even looking and aiming. If you go into a cubicle and there's no mess on the seat you've struck lucky. Why different rules seem to apply in public toilets I can't imagine... Be careful about letting the backs of your trousers hit the deck as well because outside of the seat the floor seems to be another target for these dirty feckers.
If you wipe it down with some toilet paper to get the reflexive eww out of the way, it's not much dirtier than any doorknob or bus seat or theatre armrest. More germs travel through sneezes than toilet seats.
1.i've always used stalls, it's not odd. I just dont like to pee in sight of others.many feel the same.
2.no one speaks in there.
3.eyes straight ahead at all times.
4.in general male toilets are seriously gross.
Thats all anyone needs to know about male toilets. ;)
Quote from: A on March 17, 2012, 10:41:23 PM
People just assume you're going to poop. Most of the time, we also pee when we do. No one would ever stand to pee THEN sit to do the rest, right?
I work with a guy who does this! I think he has some issues. I was at the sink one day trying to get something out of my teeth, you can see the urinals from the mirror at the sink. He steps up, unzips, takes it out and then puts both hands on the wall like he being search by the police, he does his pee and then zips and goes into the stall. It's really, really weird.
I've been using the mens' room for at least a year and a half, always sitting, and I've had zero issues.
LOTS of guys (cis) sit to pee! Don't sweat it!
I stand (in a stall with my STP) but will occasionally sit.
Quote from: smittyFTM on March 26, 2012, 10:20:53 AM
LOTS of guys (cis) sit to pee! Don't sweat it!
I sit whenever I'm tired, like if I get up in the middle of the night to pee (which thankfully isn't very often since I switched to a paleo diet) and sometimes my first pee in the morning depending if I'm still tired.
I wouldn't worry about it.
The first bit of general etiquette is that you don't look at another dudes junk at the urinals, so even if you're using a STP and spoon that's neon green with pink polka dots, I doubt anyone would actually notice unless you're fiddling with it for a long time. (Other guys might start thinking that you're not just urinating, but moving on to something else... *lol*)
As far as sitting down to pee is concerned, no one would blink an eyelid in my opinion - the only thing as others have said is that generally speaking, the cubicles are pretty filthy in the mens rooms - the aim of a lot of CIS men leaves a lot to be desired =)
If you're sitting in a stall, guys are just going to assume you needed to do more than pee. We all use the stalls sometimes. It's definitely not attn-getting and it's just more private. I've always thought all public restrooms could use more privacy. I like the ones that have walls between the urinals. We all feel awkward standing right next to another dude while we're all peeing.
I used to have an issue using the stalls in the locker room at the gym but now I realize no one cares. Plus a friend of mine, a big bodybuilder guy, can't use a urinal, he freezes....so that makes me feel better!
I've been sitting more as of late, though I tend to switch back and forth. Really, whatever is most comfortable for you. Bathrooms are for doing your business man, if anyone stares or bugs you because you choose to sit down in a stall, then they have some issues to work out. :P
My stp works great but I can only make myself whiz standing when I really, really have to go.
Quote from: michelle666 on March 18, 2012, 04:43:20 AM
I work with a guy who does this! I think he has some issues. I was at the sink one day trying to get something out of my teeth, you can see the urinals from the mirror at the sink. He steps up, unzips, takes it out and then puts both hands on the wall like he being search by the police, he does his pee and then zips and goes into the stall. It's really, really weird.
In a past life that is how drunk guys pee, hold on to the wall and hope :laugh: If you think your boyfriend is drunk :o check his shoes when he comes from the loo. Very revealing if very disgusting.
Quote from: Darrin on March 17, 2012, 02:44:53 PM
I've tried and tried with STP's. The issue isn't so much the STP, but the fact I can't get a good harness to work with it. ... Do any of you guys sit to pee in a stall? Has this ever been an issue for anyone? Thanks!
I can't use a STP thing, at least not conveniently, because my urethra is in a weird position, similar to Hypospadias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypospadias) of a cissexual man's penis (not
exactly like that, obviously, but it technically opens up from just inside the vaginal canal). I tried a few different DIY STP things, and frankly, it wasn't worth it to me. I use the gents' lavvies with alarming frequency (since after surgery) and no-one bothers me about it. No-one listens outside the stall and corners me about why my feet were pointed out and my pants came down and then tinkle-tinkle-pee was clearly audible.
Why?
The gents' lavvy is purely utilitarian. Guys go in, do their business, (hopefully) wash their hands, and leave. And plenty of cis men who lack a hypospadiac urethra also sit down to pee on occasion, for all sorts of reasons. In the gents' its assumed to be no-one else's business why anybody sits to pee, though I suspect in my case (with impeccable hair and glittery nail varnish) it's assmued (
if it's assumed) that I sit because I'm not only gay but effete and dainty --which doesn't bother me.
If you act like you belong in the gents' lavvy, no-one will bother you. At first, I just down-pitched my voice at both times I was asked, and stated "I assure you, I belong here", which was responded with "Oh, sorry, my bad".
One thing I'll never understand, though, is the guys who will start in a stall, audibly take a dump, wipe, flush, and THEN get up to use the urinal --or the other way around. If I only saw this every few months or so, I'd figure it was a case of "oops, now I suddenly have to do the other" --but it's like every other time I use a public gents' lavvy, and there are other people in there, there's always *at least* one man who has to go out of his way to make sure he pees standing and poos sitting, and never sit for both, no matter how much more convenient it might be. Is the ability to pee standing up really so complex that failing to do it
even once will cause some men to completely forget how to do it?
Quote from: smooth on March 18, 2012, 03:06:45 AM
Unless you get to the toilet shortly after it's been cleaned you might find sitting difficult. Mens toilets are quite often nasty, dirty places where guys P without lifting the seat or even looking and aiming. If you go into a cubicle and there's no mess on the seat you've struck lucky. Why different rules seem to apply in public toilets I can't imagine... Be careful about letting the backs of your trousers hit the deck as well because outside of the seat the floor seems to be another target for these dirty feckers.
What men's rooms have you been using? Maybe it's just the places I go to, but considering I go to a lot of punk bars and dives, stereotyping says the public restrooms I encounter should be the worst of the worst, but they're really not --most are cleaner than my own bathroom (but that's cos I've got a cat box in there, and a nineteen-year-old cat who's losing control of his bowels). In all honestly, the "filthiest" men's room I've ever been in has been at Mac's Bar here in Lansing, and even that was
considerably cleaner than the ladies' lavvy at The Elbow Room in Ypsilanti, Michigan.
Quote from: Andy8715 on March 18, 2012, 01:14:45 AM
I'd have to say that is a risk for anyone at any point and anyone can rape, not just men who were AMAB. Are some at higher risk than others? I'm sure they are. Do I live my life in fear of something that could happen to anyone? No.
Ditto.
I sit to pee, it's more comfortable that way and you might have to do both #1 & #2 at the sametime so it's just more convenient to sit lol. =P
I always go into the stall in the men's room to pee, never been an issue at all as I pass quite well even though I'm pre-T just don't look at anyone properly and there will be no problem :)
I think it is really just an issue of our own self consciousness during transitioning. We always think other people are scrutinizing us...but in reality they really don't care:)
I always sit to pee at work, Im not gonna haul along a bulky stp
no one says anything, although I always wait till the room is empty, and if someone walks in I just sit and wait and pretend I am taking a dump lol
I have had lower surgery and can pee at a urinal. Occasionally I have stream/spray issues and it's not 100% foolproof. So in many cases I choose to sit. I don't think it is a big deal at all. A lot of the cis-men I know sit also. So sit with confidence!
I have used a few men's bathrooms, even though I don't pass all the time yet. (I blame the T, it has given me a huge confidence boost and my uni is safe) I know how to use a STP but I normally just use the stalls. My partner/husband (cis) always sits down, even in public restrooms and no one even thinks about it. Even my brothers sit down. Its pretty normal from my understanding.
The only time my sweetie chooses to stand is if the toilet is nasty.
Trust me. Lots of cis guys are pee shy. Lots of guys have anxiety about peeing right there next to another dood.
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I'd like to use this topic to ask the guys about something I just never understood: why would one ever desire to use a urinal where you're almost in plain view and can't wipe, instead of the toilet?
Quote from: A on April 02, 2012, 03:36:39 PM
I'd like to use this topic to ask the guys about something I just never understood: why would one ever desire to use a urinal where you're almost in plain view and can't wipe, instead of the toilet?
Sometimes the toilets can be really messy.
I have witnessed the phenomenon many times already, but since most pee standing, it shouldn't be the end of the world, no?
You can do the job faster standing at a urinal. I always take a while getting going, better in a toilet, more privacy and always easier sitting down more relaxed. I agree if the urinals are busy & a guy stands at the toilet there is collateral spray, messy and should be cleaned after. If there are other toilets and one is messy I move on to another one, otherwise you have to clean up another persons mess.
Jamie
Quote from: A on April 02, 2012, 03:36:39 PM
I'd like to use this topic to ask the guys about something I just never understood: why would one ever desire to use a urinal where you're almost in plain view and can't wipe, instead of the toilet?
Last night I went to a pub down the street, and when I had to pee I found there was one stall and two urinals. There was a guy puking in the stall, the urinals were free, and somebody was coming in the door behind me. If I'd had an stp device and practice using it then peeing would have been so much easier.
I haven't come out at work yet because my boss has been gone a lot this month ever since i decided I was going to tell her so I haven't been able to use the mens room there but I do get a lot of funny looks by the female customers when I go into the female bathroom. My son went into the wrong bathroom the other day and I had to go into the women's to help him at our local library and got some pretty weird looks too haha but like everyone said most guys don't care if you sit they just assume your taking a dump or are lazy
I always sit. I couldn't use an STP without getting in on my jeans so I gave up, it doesn't bother me though.
I sure like the idea of using a STP, would make everything great in the men's room to be able to stand at an urinal and pee through the fly in your jeans. I have a STP but still haven't mastered using it with my jeans up. I have no problems in the shower but leak every time I time I have tried it with my jeans up.
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Therefore everyone sits down from time to time.
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Therefore everyone sits down from time to time.
QFT!
I have been to a bar where sitting to pee would really not be an option if you want privacy. The toilet was merely placed in there with a small dividing wall... no door, and everyone coming into the restroom could see you. Know your surroundings or you're screwed
For a while I was really debating this, not knowing what to do.
My mom, in an act of kindness, fixed it all in one swoop for me. She said that her boyfriend (cismale) always sits. He said it's more comfortable to him, and easier. Now I have no qualms about sitting down. I'm still mastering my STP, so I think there will be days I'll sit, and days I stand. Either way, I rarely use the facilities in public (10 hour days at my work ain't got nothin' on me!), because I have a shy bladder anyway, but when I do, I sit. No one has said a word.
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No one's gonna notice, they don't pay attention to that kinda stuff. And even if they did notice they wouldn't say anything about it... it's weird. Also just cause you're sitting down doesn't mean their first thought will be "WOMAN!". Some guys do it too.
I actually was sitting, and some teens came in started being rowdy and shaking the stall door and shouting things, threw paper towel balls over into the stall. All in all a very scary experience. It wasn't cause I was trans though, they didn't even know who was in the stall, just teens being ->-bleeped-<-s I guess. But that was like the first negative experience out of hundreds of good ones.