I went to my BITCHY big eyed doctor today. She says the law doesn't allow me to get T until I'm an adult.
What is this BS?
How am I supposed to live?
Don't you need a parent's consent before 18?
I have parents consent.
She says it will screw up my body because I haven't grown all the way.
Quote from: Kody C on April 20, 2012, 05:24:05 PM
I have parents consent.
She says it will screw up my body because I haven't grown all the way.
Oh well in that case, I'd try to look for another Dr. I know people do start on T before they're done with puberty. Some as young as 14/15. Sounds like this might be a case of gatekeeping.
Quote from: Kody C on April 20, 2012, 05:24:05 PM
I have parents consent.
She says it will screw up my body because I haven't grown all the way.
Sounds like your doctor has mixed up her personal opinions with her job. You should ask about seeing another doctor, that bitch is crazy lol.
Thats what I told her!
Ugh yeah.. definitely need a new doctor.
Quote from: conformer on April 20, 2012, 06:22:52 PM
Sounds like your doctor has mixed up her personal opinions with her job. You should ask about seeing another doctor, that bitch is crazy lol.
Aside from the sexist language I agree.
The professional guidelines for endocrinologists are available online, and include recommendations for adolescents. http://www.endo-society.org/guidelines/final/upload/Endocrine-Treatment-of-Transsexual-Persons.pdf (http://www.endo-society.org/guidelines/final/upload/Endocrine-Treatment-of-Transsexual-Persons.pdf)
If your parents are supportive and have the resources, they can go online and find an endo who will consider puberty blockers and (whether sooner or later), T.
If your doctor is a general practitioner, it's not surprising that she doesn't have the indepth knowledge to provide you with medical interventions. And to her credit, treating teenagers with hormones (androgens or blockers) is a pretty recent practice.
And I agree with Andy about your language. Being frustrated is one thing, but using gender-bashing isn't cool in my book. I'm not a mod, so am just expressing my own perspective here.
Quote from: MrTesto on April 20, 2012, 07:29:49 PM
The professional guidelines for endocrinologists are available online, and include recommendations for adolescents. http://www.endo-society.org/guidelines/final/upload/Endocrine-Treatment-of-Transsexual-Persons.pdf (http://www.endo-society.org/guidelines/final/upload/Endocrine-Treatment-of-Transsexual-Persons.pdf)
If your parents are supportive and have the resources, they can go online and find an endo who will consider puberty blockers and (whether sooner or later), T.
If your doctor is a general practitioner, it's not surprising that she doesn't have the indepth knowledge to provide you with medical interventions. And to her credit, treating teenagers with hormones (androgens or blockers) is a pretty recent practice.
And I agree with Andy about your language. Being frustrated is one thing, but using gender-bashing isn't cool in my book. I'm not a mod, so am just expressing my own perspective here.
I didn't use it with the intention of gender-bashing, or out of frustration. It's just a word I use a lot; I call lots of people bitches including friends. Bitches be trippin' . . .
Quote from: conformer on April 20, 2012, 06:22:52 PM
Sounds like your doctor has mixed up her personal opinions with her job. You should ask about seeing another doctor, that bitch is crazy lol.
That very well could be the case. There also could be more to the story than what we're receiving too.
If his doctor is working at a medical foundation or clinic that has a contract with his insurance provider, she very well could be restricted to certain areas of care. I live in one of the 16 states where medical marijuana is legal. Around here though it's uncommon to find a general care practitioner working in a family practice, clinic or foundation who will write a prescription for medical marijuana OR testosterone (as they're not normally covered by insurance) because it is explicitly forbidden in their contract. They can however recommend or refer you to a clinic that will, which would be the ethical thing to do. (Unless you had a pre-existing condition that would cause serious health complications, then it would be their duty to tell you that.)
Quote from: conformer on April 20, 2012, 07:40:03 PM
I didn't use it with the intention of gender-bashing, or out of frustration. It's just a word I use a lot; I call lots of people bitches including friends. Bitches be trippin' . . .
Hopefully you'll grow out of that bad habit.
Quote from: Epi on April 20, 2012, 07:44:15 PM
Hopefully you'll grow out of that bad habit.
Not necessarily a bad habit depending on how you look at the usage of it. It's funny how you think it's okay to tell me what are bad habits of mine and you don't even know me.
Quote from: conformer on April 21, 2012, 06:23:22 AM
Not necessarily a bad habit depending on how you look at the usage of it. It's funny how you think it's okay to tell me what are bad habits of mine and you don't even know me.
eh people cry over all sorts, ds man, bitches are crazy ;D
Quote from: thatsme on April 21, 2012, 10:40:47 AM
Your doctor may be thinking of you i am unsure how old you are but did you no that T stops you growing taller! so many doctors decide to leave it until your finshed growing also you could ask about hormones blockers that way you will still grow ect but not change.
Talk to your doctor as questions and also ask what can be done now!
Lolwhat?
Quote from: Geek on April 21, 2012, 03:47:14 PM
Lolwhat?
wtf indeed, dude. There's not a lot of evidence to, ah, back that up.
Anyway, I'm in the same boat as you, OP. Just shop around and don't continue to see this doctor. If you had any blood work done, make her give the results to you and just go somewhere else.
I won't lie, I didn't even watch that clip, and your doctor is full of ->-bleeped-<- :D
And apparently I'm moody today ;D
But seriously. Lol
Just throwing it out there, that if testosterone stopped people growing, CIS lads would be short as ->-bleeped-<-, and I wouldn't feel terrible for only being five foot ->-bleeped-<- all.
It sounds like something made up to frighten children like Santa Claus and the tooth fairy
ok fair enough!
shall remove my posts an keep my mouth shut !
Don't be silly :)
<3 I didn't mean offense, you cant help what you've been told, and really we are just science experiments, knowledge is how people grow, post away my friend!
yes i agree they can talk out there butt!!
I imagine that they have run some checks however like you said we are all ginnie pigs!
Probably what the dr was referring to is that the timing of testosterone surges in puberty is a big factor in the plates at the end of long bones closing off - in other words, stopping their growth. There are some complex variables differentiating people born female versus those born male, but thatsme and the doctor have a line on some real information.
Quote from: conformer on April 20, 2012, 07:40:03 PM
I didn't use it with the intention of gender-bashing, or out of frustration. It's just a word I use a lot; I call lots of people bitches including friends. Bitches be trippin' . . .
Guys call each other bitches. It is common in my area to call another guy a bitch if he is being nit-picky.
Quote from: Kody C on April 20, 2012, 05:16:02 PM
I went to my BITCHY big eyed doctor today. She says the law doesn't allow me to get T until I'm an adult.
What is this BS?
How am I supposed to live?
Dear kody,
I dont know where your from so because of that I dont know your rules for sure.
there might be rules where you live who say you has to be 18, in that case what you need to do is to move on in a way where you dont stop.
I know its very hard, I myself was refused homones threatment because I wasnt 18, and the way I survived was to be very focused and prepearing to use the time insteed of just waiting so I knew I would be ready the day I turned 18.
kinda like doing all the work so you wont have to deal with it later.
ex, is to save up money, to educate yourself about it, or other things who is non-trans related but who also are something you'll need to do, most important is just not to stay still, its a killing spot who dosent leave any good and where you just waste your time on waiting and being depressing.
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however, .... this is for if you really can't get homones cause its the law, but in some caises doctors say its illegal when its not. in my caise it wasnt actually illegal but my doctor just refused to work with me.
you better go check it up for yourself, cause there might be a chance its not illegal and you can get homones by another doctor. try ask transgender people in your country/location, about those things.
if your body isnt ready for homones you might try seach for t blockers, again I dont know where your from or your age, so it all depends on those facts.
wish you luck.
Quote from: Mr.Rainey on April 24, 2012, 04:20:04 AM
Guys call each other bitches. It is common in my area to call another guy a bitch if he is being nit-picky.
Word. I kinda thought it was a gay-guy thing, but I think it's one of those things that has bled out into the broader culture. "Bitch" is rapidly becoming unisex. I've always called my gay male friends bitches, mostly when poking fun totally in jest over some mild annoyance, but I now call even my str8 cis male friends bitches and they just think it's hilarious. I just know if I'm ever hanging out with an FtM, I'm going to slip and cause great offense before I can catch myself.
Actually, it's common practice (at least here it is) to prescribe hormone blockers until a teenager is fully grown and start testosterone and thus male puberty late rather than early.
Quote from: Mr.Rainey on April 24, 2012, 04:20:04 AM
Guys call each other bitches. It is common in my area to call another guy a bitch if he is being nit-picky.
Do you uh not understand how this word came to be used in this context? Look up "misogyny".
Common usage doesn't negate a word being problematic or erase it's history. It might not matter if sexism wasn't still alive and well, but it is. Or do you guys think it's just swell when a straight person says "I didn't mean to call him gay like homosexual! It doesn't mean just that!".
Oh, since that's a total hijack of this thread. To the OP: sorry that's happening, dude. Good luck finding a better doc.
Quote from: Mr.Rainey on April 24, 2012, 04:20:04 AM
Guys call each other bitches. It is common in my area to call another guy a bitch if he is being nit-picky.
um its just a word why are we freaking out over it? o.O
and I'd simply try another doctor, simple solution.
Quote from: Twin Hammer Tommy on April 24, 2012, 07:33:10 PM
Do you uh not understand how this word came to be used in this context? Look up "misogyny".
Common usage doesn't negate a word being problematic or erase it's history. It might not matter if sexism wasn't still alive and well, but it is. Or do you guys think it's just swell when a straight person says "I didn't mean to call him gay like homosexual! It doesn't mean just that!".
"Bitch" can be a derogatory term towards women, but there are many other meanings one could look for and find in that word. Since there is no evidence to support the sexist or "gender-bashing" meaning, one can not conclude there was any sexism.
What was said was actually meant without any sexism intended. There is nothing to lead one to believe that is where the conversation was going. Keep in mind that, not only was
conformer not using it as a sexist term, he had not mentioned the doctor's gender at all. He was simply speaking to the overall behavior of the doctor, making her a bitch by this definition:
"
A person - who could be of either gender, but stereotypically is a woman - who allows their spur-of-the-moment negative emotional reactions to play far too large a role in their dealings with others."
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bitch&defid=4874119
zzzzzzzzzzzzcrazybitchesupindisthreadzzzzzzzzzzzz..... sorry sometimes I talk in my sleep. Also, sometimes I type in my sleep.
Time for a second opinion I guess.