i already look femine and i wanna make sure i stay this way. i may not get any hormones for another year and i dont want my looks to turn masculine in a year. do any of yall know any meds that i can buy off counter to block testosterone. please help me im like ready to cry cause my looks are my everything
No. There is nothing short of hormones that you can do to significantly reduce your T. Well, you could castrate yourself but that would be painful and stupid.
Quote from: GhostTown11 on June 13, 2012, 07:10:58 PM
No. There is nothing short of hormones that you can do to significantly reduce your T. Well, you could castrate yourself but that would be painful and stupid.
Um, yeah, people have died from trying to do that and if you're really unlucky they'll manage to save you but they'll also "repair" them.
I've been talking to another trans lady is really big on informed consent places, meaning that you don't have to get "the letter" and you agree to take responsibility for your own treatment.
This exists:
https://www.susans.org/wiki/Informed_consent (https://www.susans.org/wiki/Informed_consent)
I get the feeling that there are not a ton of informed consent places but that's definitely not everywhere that exists on that list.
But Angelique is still a minor so Informed Consent doesn't apply to her :/.
ohhhh
sorry
The law is terrible to minors isn't it?
I've heard and tried spearment tea. Im not sure how much of it is a placebo effect and how much of it works. From what I've heard/read it acts as a mild anti-androgen (not sure if i have that term right its late :angel: )But a difference I noticed was it slowed down my beard growth a little bit. In a situation where every little bit helps, I assume it would be worth a shot. I bought it off amazon fairly cheap. Waiting seems unbearable sometimes, but all good things come to those who wait ::) Good luck!
<3 Liv
I drank a lot of spearmint tea and took a lot of flaxseed oil capsules. It's no where near as effective as Medical HRT, but it is helpful.
id just tell your doctor " if you dont prescribe me hormones soon im going to buy them online and self medicate , so im going to be taking them regardless , but id rather be doing it safely given the chance "
im mean threatening them in that way might work :p ( btw im not adovocating self medication , im advocating a way to push the doctors into giving medication to her )
Quote from: mementomori on June 14, 2012, 06:51:36 AM
id just tell your doctor " if you dont prescribe me hormones soon im going to buy them online and self medicate , so im going to be taking them regardless , but id rather be doing it safely given the chance "
im mean threatening them in that way might work :p ( btw im not adovocating self medication , im advocating a way to push the doctors into giving medication to her )
I've accually tried telling my gender therapist that and she told me that she could also put me in a mental institution if I'm talking bout self medicating
They need to demonstrate that you are a "threat to self or others" to put you in a mental institution... however this is pretty subjective and functionally if the parents want it they can often do it. However, your therapist CANNOT just put you in a mental institution.
NEVER tell your therapist (trigger warning I guess):
That you are thinking about killing yourself. Espicially not planning to.
That you self injure.
That you're planning to attack someone else.
Taking a medication that they don't think you should take that is not even a mental health medication... that doesn't make a lot of sense. I don't think she could do it unless she has "dirt" on you (like you saying that you're suicidal). Even if she does, if you tell the mental institution that no you DON'T have thoughts of harming yourself, you're not suicidal, etc (even if you are feeling that way NEVER NEVER NEVER tell a mental institution that) then they probably can't keep you. If they did it would be almost gauranteed to be under a week, probably a day or two.
Ex mental institution inmate here.
Quote from: Carbon on June 14, 2012, 09:15:11 AM
They need to demonstrate that you are a "threat to self or others" to put you in a mental institution... however this is pretty subjective and functionally if the parents want it they can often do it. However, your therapist CANNOT just put you in a mental institution.
NEVER tell your therapist (trigger warning I guess):
That you are thinking about killing yourself. Espicially not planning to.
That you self injure.
That you're planning to attack someone else.
Taking a medication that they don't think you should take that is not even a mental health medication... that doesn't make a lot of sense. I don't think she could do it unless she has "dirt" on you (like you saying that you're suicidal). Even if she does, if you tell the mental institution that no you DON'T have thoughts of harming yourself, you're not suicidal, etc (even if you are feeling that way NEVER NEVER NEVER tell a mental institution that) then they probably can't keep you. If they did it would be almost gauranteed to be under a week, probably a day or two.
Ex mental institution inmate here.
Always nice to see a fellow crazy house inmate. :icon_wave:
Yeah, your psych threatening to institute you is a complete abuse if power and in most countries unlawful.
I'd immediately see another psych. Any psychiatrist who thinks they have the right to threaten to put you in a mental hospital for any reason other than the usual Danger-to-self-or-others, which most definitely does not include self medication (there is no intent of doing harm to yourself and your request is in a desire to NOT do harm to yourself), has no right to be a psych and I think should be in jail for gross abuse of power.
But as the previous poster said, in any first world country the law generally says that the psych trying to put you in the crazy house is not allowed to be the psych to decides if you have to stay there or not. Generally you can't be involuntarily committed without parental consent (if a minor) and/or a court order.
In Australia all the crazy houses or wards I've been on have been required to display signs explaining "Your rights as an involuntary inpatient".
This stuff takes time baby girl, even for legal adults.
I suggest you do everything you can to be ready for a prescription the day you turn 18.
I know children can legally be put on puberty blockers but I don't know if they are effective once puberty begins. At your age, perhaps you can go on Spiro, to find similar results. Not sure about the legality though so you may have to wait till 18.
Still, it is best to use this time to get your ducks in a row so you can start as soon as legally possible.
Your therapist is the key to your prescription. You may want to look for a new one. But any therapist worth their salt will be looking for signs of maturity from you. You are a child in the eyes of the law, and suggesting self-medication to any therapist, especially at your age, will set of all kinds of alarms.
Patience is required for every person who transitions. It takes time to get hormones. It takes more time for the hormones to balance out and do their thing. If you are not patient at the start of the process, the process itself will teach you to learn to be patient.
But she has been at it for like a year in therapy. Also, she has been full-time to pre-hrt so I doubt that by now she is not 100% sure about this. And it's horrible because she could avoid a lot of pain if she were just given an hrt prescription.
Licorice root is antiandrogenic. You can buy it in vitamin stores and wherever. Do your research on the amounts though because there are side effects if you have too much.
Quote from: GhostTown11 on June 14, 2012, 01:07:59 PM
But she has been at it for like a year in therapy. Also, she has been full-time to pre-hrt so I doubt that by now she is not 100% sure about this. And it's horrible because she could avoid a lot of pain if she were just given an hrt prescription.
I completely agree. The laws don't. Depending on where you live, there are different laws to uphold and different hoops to jump through.
I do not think she will be able to go on hormones where she lives until she is 18. I am less clear about perscribing AA's. She may at least be able to block her masculine development while she waits for hormones.
I don't know you situation, but do your parents know about this? Surely if you had their consent, you'd be able to get on hormones or at least have more leverage in obtaining them.
If they know and are against it, that obviously won't help, but if you haven't told them, that may well be your only viable option for getting safe/legal hormones.
The herbs saw palmetto, and chaste tree have shown to help also.
Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/313307-herbal-testosterone-blocker/#ixzz1xohl4L6K (http://www.livestrong.com/article/313307-herbal-testosterone-blocker/#ixzz1xohl4L6K)
I looked at the medical evidence for herbal alternatives, and the results are not encouraging. The amounts of herbs you will have to swallow to see any significant effect are enormous. You will barf!! So, do not waist your money.
A word of warning: some herb formulation may contain heavy metals that can poison you or even kill you.
Quote from: bullwinklle on June 14, 2012, 07:14:40 PM
I don't know you situation, but do your parents know about this? Surely if you had their consent, you'd be able to get on hormones or at least have more leverage in obtaining them.
If they know and are against it, that obviously won't help, but if you haven't told them, that may well be your only viable option for getting safe/legal hormones.
Everyone that knows me where I live knows how i am including my parents for a year almost. My mom is ok wit me taking hrt but my dad is completely against it
Quote from: Angelique1994 on June 14, 2012, 08:28:31 PM
Everyone that knows me where I live knows how i am including my parents for a year almost. My mom is ok wit me taking hrt but my dad is completely against it
I am so sorry about your situation Angelique. Why is your dad refusing HRT? Does he realize that as soon as you turn 18 you'll go out and get those hormones faster than...well I don't know just really fast. I mean, you are already living full-time. They know that this is not a phase by now so what's the hold up?
Quote from: Erin_Grey on June 14, 2012, 08:32:02 PM
I am so sorry about your situation Angelique. Why is your dad refusing HRT? Does he realize that as soon as you turn 18 you'll go out and get those hormones faster than...well I don't know just really fast. I mean, you are already living full-time. They know that this is not a phase by now so what's the hold up?
he tells me that i cant do anything that he dont want me to do till im 18 which is in like 6 weeks or so maybe a little less im taking a guess but my birthday is july 26 but i already know why he is waiting till then cause ill be 18 and once i get hormones he can kick me out on the street. Im seeing a tharapist tho, ive been to bout 6 or 7 appointments but im not exactly going full time, my dad only allows me to dress in girls clothing when im not around him which is wen im hanging out with my friends or wen i go to the store with my mom. Hes embarrassed of how i am and he threatens to kick me out everyday.
That's horrible. Are your mother and father together? Even if he did try to kick you out though I think you should apply to a public four year in your state that allows you to live on campus. That way you would have way more freedom. That means getting good grades for scholarships and what not.
Quote from: Erin_Grey on June 14, 2012, 08:45:56 PM
That's horrible. Are your mother and father together? Even if he did try to kick you out though I think you should apply to a public four year in your state that allows you to live on campus. That way you would have way more freedom. That means getting good grades for scholarships and what not.
im only in 11th grade, i still have another year to go till i get to go to college. and yes my mom and dad are together but my mom isnt gonna stop him if he kicks me out she always tells me that he pays the bills and since he pays the bills what he says goes.
Do you have any sympathetic relatives that would allow you to stay with them to finish your last year?
Quote from: Erin_Grey on June 14, 2012, 08:50:16 PM
Do you have any sympathetic relatives that would allow you to stay with them to finish your last year?
none that live close enough except my brother but he wouldnt let me live wit him i mean he even kicked his own kid out and his kid is a year younger than me and not even transgender or homosexual, but hes now living wit his grandma now. my dads side of the family live in new orleans and my moms side of the family live in bassfield mississippi
+ I know it may be hard as a trans person to get a job but I think you should try if you have not already. Making money would help make you more independent. After I graduated HS I took a semester off to just work a full-time and part-time job. Yeah my butt went running to college in the spring but I saved up a lot of money for hormones, electrolysis, and I was part of the breadwinners team. You can do it, your only a few months older than me but you have to apply yourself.
Quote from: Erin_Grey on June 14, 2012, 08:55:31 PM
+ I know it may be hard as a trans person to get a job but I think you should try if you have not already. Making money would help make you more independent. After I graduated HS I took a semester off to just work a full-time and part-time job. Yeah my butt went running to college in the spring but I saved up a lot of money for hormones, electrolysis, and I was part of the breadwinners team. You can do it, your only a few months older than me but you have to apply yourself.
my moms best friend is the manager at the nearest dollar general and she told me that wen i turn 18 that if i want a job then she will hire me
Take that job!!! lol ;D Getting that job would not only help you earn your own cash (you're 18-even though you may have difficulty getting a credit card sans a cosigner you can definetly get a debit card and open a checkings and saving account ) but would also help you avoid your dad.
Quote from: Erin_Grey on June 14, 2012, 09:01:09 PM
Take that job!!! lol ;D Getting that job would not only help you earn your own cash (you're 18-even though you may have difficulty getting a credit card sans a cosigner you can definetly get a debit card and open a checkings and saving account ) but would also help you avoid your dad.
ive accually already saved like 120 dollars already from allowance but thats not really that much tho lol. but i dont think a job will help since my dad told me that wen i get hormones hes gonna make me pay rent if he dont kick me out
It really isn't lmao. Here in nyc, that money would be gone before you even got out of Starbucks! But it's a start though. Also, when you start to get paid do not -and I repeat- DO NOT GO ON A CRAZY SHOPPING SPREE! I did that at first and blew my paycheck in a day buying MAC makeup that costs an arm and a leg and buying a new lamp, painting my room, buying a mini cherry blossom like tree-plant. Totally useless crap in essence. Save your money wisely.
Quote from: Erin_Grey on June 14, 2012, 09:07:15 PM
It really isn't lmao. Here in nyc, that money would be gone before you even got out of Starbucks! But it's a start though. Also, when you start to get paid do not -and I repeat- DO NOT GO ON A CRAZY SHOPPING SPREE! I did that at first and blew my paycheck in a day buying MAC makeup that costs an arm and a leg and buying a new lamp, painting my room, buying a mini cherry blossom like tree-plant. Totally useless crap in essence. Save your money wisely.
lol i would have 300 dollars but i waisted that on makeup and outfits even tho i dont hav that many outfits im planning to go and buy some more with the 120 i hav which ik is stupid but i wanna be able to look good wen i start hormones. but i get all my cloths at rue 21 and there cloths only cost like 9.00 dollars per pants, skirts,top, or anything else
Don't worry I think you'll look alright in sweats and a pair of addidas! :laugh: I find it hard to buy clothes though too early on hrt. My body and waist and hips are changing so I'm stuck wearing boy clothes and looking like a tomboy. :-X
Quote from: Erin_Grey on June 14, 2012, 09:14:13 PM
Don't worry I think you'll look alright in sweats and a pair of addidas! :laugh: I find it hard to buy clothes though too early on hrt. My body and waist and hips are changing so I'm stuck wearing boy clothes and looking like a tomboy. :-X
thats 1 problem i hav lol cause i dont go out unless i look good, eather im all decked out or i dont go out at all lol. but currently my body messurments are 32-26-32
Quote from: Angelique1994 on June 14, 2012, 09:16:26 PM
thats 1 problem i hav lol cause i dont go out unless i look good, eather im all decked out or i dont go out at all lol. but currently my body messurments are 32-26-32
Wow nice! I know you'll do great on hrt =)! I'm at a 30(band size right?) -23- 33(hips? I fail) right now...yeah a bit pear shaped. It's not nearly as fun as some girls here think it is.
Quote from: Erin_Grey on June 14, 2012, 09:22:39 PM
Wow nice! I know you'll do great on hrt =)! I'm at a 30(band size right?) -23- 33(hips? I fail) right now...yeah a bit pear shaped. It's not nearly as fun as some girls here think it is.
everyone tells me that my body shape is the perfect hourglass lol. how tall are u?
5'9 what about you?
Side note: I totally apologize for derailing this thread. I know most of you are rolling your eyes thinking these dumb vain-ass bee-yotches! lol
Quote from: Erin_Grey on June 14, 2012, 09:28:02 PM
5'9 what about you?
Side note: I totally apologize for derailing this thread. I know most of you are rolling your eyes thinking these dumb vain-ass bee-yotches! lol
5'7. LMAO
Gahh girl why do you live in Louisiana? You should have been born here in nyc so we could go out in shop in full force. There are tons of little boutiques that have clothes that would fit us here. They're totally adorable and everything is just so fashionable and up to date. Of course, it all costs maybe a bit more than we could afford lol.
For blocking a little bit of your testosterone, you can take pure spearmint (not peppermint) herbal tea. Just one will have a mild effect, and you can take up to 6 or even 8 cups daily if you want something more substantial. I won't lie; this is nothing even close to the effects of a real anti-androgen; however it is an indicated natural treatment for hirsutism caused by an excess of androgens in women.
Also, I read that tucking, because it puts the testicles at your body's temperature, renders those much less effective at producing sperm. I don't know at all, but maybe if it does this, it also lowers the amount of testosterone they produce.
Finally, to "compete" with testosterone (if that's possible o.o) and to perhaps get tiny bits of feminisation until you get HRT, you can look into phyto-oestrogens. Be careful, as those aren't made by or for humans and as such are probably not all that healthy if taken in great amounts, but I have heard of some nice but minor effects. You could consume more soy and flax, for example (soy milk is delicious!) There is also pueraria mifica extract, a natural product with a huge amount of phyto-oestrogens in it. Some have reported good results. But be careful, as I said above.
By the way, your father is not a nice person, but I do think that parental authorisation only requires one signature... And your mother is okay with it, as I remember, right? Also, I'm not sure, but I think that depending on the country, your parents are not allowed to kick you out until you are major AND your studies are finished / you are able to earn a living by yourself... Or something like that. Maybe you could look it up.
Quote from: Erin_Grey on June 14, 2012, 09:35:05 PM
Gahh girl why do you live in Louisiana? You should have been born here in nyc so we could go out in shop in full force. There are tons of little boutiques that have clothes that would fit us here. They're totally adorable and everything is just so fashionable and up to date. Of course, it all costs maybe a bit more than we could afford lol.
lol i plan to move to new york lateer on in life. well eather new york, LA, or miami. but ikr that would be sooo much fun and of course it will cost alot but as long as we would look good its worth it hahahaha
Quote from: A on June 14, 2012, 09:36:47 PM
For blocking a little bit of your testosterone, you can take pure spearmint (not peppermint) herbal tea. Just one will have a mild effect, and you can take up to 6 or even 8 cups daily if you want something more substantial. I won't lie; this is nothing even close to the effects of a real anti-androgen; however it is an indicated natural treatment for hirsutism caused by an excess of androgens in women.
Also, I read that tucking, because it puts the testicles at your body's temperature, renders those much less effective at producing sperm. I don't know at all, but maybe if it does this, it also lowers the amount of testosterone they produce.
Finally, to "compete" with testosterone (if that's possible o.o) and to perhaps get tiny bits of feminisation until you get HRT, you can look into phyto-oestrogens. Be careful, as those aren't made by or for humans and as such are probably not all that healthy if taken in great amounts, but I have heard of some nice but minor effects. You could consume more soy and flax, for example (soy milk is delicious!) There is also pueraria mifica extract, a natural product with a huge amount of phyto-oestrogens in it. Some have reported good results. But be careful, as I said above.
By the way, your father is not a nice person, but I do think that parental authorisation only requires one signature... And your mother is okay with it, as I remember, right? Also, I'm not sure, but I think that depending on the country, your parents are not allowed to kick you out until you are major AND your studies are finished / you are able to earn a living by yourself... Or something like that. Maybe you could look it up.
ive also heard that if u have a laptop and u sit it on ur lap the heat will kill ur sperm and make u not produce more for 6 months which will make ur testosterone go down alot. but hes more than just not a nice person hes a ->-bleeped-<-. he had the nerve to tell me that people like me should be shot and killed
shot and killed?!?!? um my psycho alerts are going off big time. I know I'm not one to talk, but watch your step around him if he is saying that kind of stuff. >:(
Quote from: Erin_Grey on June 14, 2012, 09:43:56 PM
shot and killed?!?!? um my psycho alerts are going off big time. I know I'm not one to talk, but watch your step around him if he is saying that kind of stuff. >:(
yea ikr. but he has serious anger issues and he sometimes loses it. me and him always get into fist fights and sometimes he tries to choke me but my mom gets him off of me. but its not serious all this has been going on since he realized this wasnt a phase
Quote from: Angelique1994 on June 14, 2012, 09:42:22 PM
ive also heard that if u have a laptop and u sit it on ur lap the heat will kill ur sperm and make u not produce more for 6 months which will make ur testosterone go down alot.
That sounds like, how would I put it? Bull->-bleeped-<-. Going back up, whilst not being their "default" position, is a thing that is bound to happen. Being heated a little, too, from exercise and stuff. Testicles are stronger than that and unless you boil them, they will recover quite quickly from heat. Heat doesn't damage them; it just makes them work less efficiently. Remove the heat and they very quickly "resume production". That's why I suggested to tuck a lot.
Quote from: A on June 14, 2012, 09:50:13 PM
That sounds like, how would I put it? Bull->-bleeped-<-. Going back up, whilst not being their "default" position, is a thing that is bound to happen. Being heated a little, too, from exercise and stuff. Testicles are stronger than that and unless you boil them, they will recover quite quickly from heat. Heat doesn't damage them; it just makes them work less efficiently. Remove the heat and they very quickly "resume production". That's why I suggested to tuck a lot.
maybe a injury i had 4 years ago might be working for my advatages cause 4 years ago one of my testicles got twisted and were out of oxygen for almost 24 hours. so maybe that lowered my testosterone?
A said...bull->-bleeped-<-. A actually said a bad word. I'm scared guys, really scared. I mean, now that the universe is going to implode I don't know how to deal with my hair in this weather??!! :D
On a serious note, Angelique don't get into fist fights with him. I'm guessing pre-hrt you're still weaker than him so I think it's better to avoid him or just stay when your mom is around.
Quote from: Erin_Grey on June 14, 2012, 09:53:11 PM
A said...bull->-bleeped-<-. A actually said a bad word. I'm scared guys, really scared. I mean, now that the universe is going to implode I don't know how to deal with my hair in this weather??!! :D
On a serious note, Angelique don't get into fist fights with him. I'm guessing pre-hrt you're still weaker than him so I think it's better to avoid him or just stay when your mom is around.
yea i am but if someone tries to hit me i dont just act like a bitch lol stronger or not im gonna fight them and hurt them in some way. ik ik thats not lady liike hahaha but it is bad girl style lol
Oh, and your father obviously doesn't deserve anyone's tolerance and should be forcefully brought into therapy (or jail) immediately. =)
(Honestly, I just don't get how some people can tolerate physical violence of the sort. I'd be tempted to call the police at each occasion.)
^ Had added that to my post but you're too fast.
Black hair, black spy suit, and 5 inche black stilettos...YASS! I see it for you angie darlin' :D
Quote from: A on June 14, 2012, 09:59:02 PM
Oh, and your father obviously doesn't deserve anyone's tolerance and should be forcefully brought into therapy (or jail) immediately. =)
^ Had added that to my post but you're too fast.
he refuses to go to tharapy and if he went to jail i would too cause im also part of the fight wen me and him are fighting
Quote from: Erin_Grey on June 14, 2012, 10:00:33 PM
Black hair, black spy suit, and 5 inche black stilettos...YASS! I see it for you angie darlin' :D
LMFAO!! u crazy but in a good way hahaha :D
Stop being so damned fast!
And no, you wouldn't go to jail. It's legitimate defence; besides, he's in a position of authority (super aggravating) and you're a minor (even more aggravating).
Quote from: A on June 14, 2012, 10:03:36 PM
Stop being so damned fast!
And no, you wouldn't go to jail. It's legitimate defence; besides, he's in a position of authority (super aggravating) and you're a minor (even more aggravating).
he has friends that are cops and he only tells them his side of the story and not mine so they think hes the angel and im the one starting the fights so they will stick up for him and make sure he gets out of trouble
I don't think angelique is exaggerating at all. There is cronyism and corruption in the police department even in the big cities. I would imagine down south it might be worse.
Quote from: A on June 14, 2012, 10:03:36 PM
Stop being so damned fast!
We're the texting generation. This is what we excel at! >:-)
Quote from: Erin_Grey on June 14, 2012, 10:10:15 PM
We're the texting generation. This is what we excel at! >:-)
lmao exactly. :P
Ok ok let's steer this ship back on course.
What can you do to block testosterone until you get hormones?
Honestly, there is nothing we can safely and in good concious prescribe you anything that could block T on the level that HRT could.
BUT
Every little bit counts. Buy spearmint tea. Drink that for breakfast rather than a coffee or OJ or maybe when you want a soda you could drink that instead.
Also-now bear with me now- I know y'all are going to call me looney tunes but I have been drinking a glass of soymilk a day since I started HRT and I swear it's at least helped a little with the breast growth (I know I know).
I know it sounds crazy but soy does have a very mild impact on estrogen levels. It's why they recommend cismen to not drink too much soy and why they tell women to cut back on it too because it may (may being the operative word) increase their risk for breast cancer.
That's pretty much all I have but I know doing something about your situation might be enough to help you feel a lot better.
Quote from: Erin_Grey on June 14, 2012, 10:21:27 PM
Ok ok let's steer this ship back on course.
What can you do to block testosterone until you get hormones?
Honestly, there is nothing we can safely and in good concious prescribe you anything that could block T on the level that HRT could.
BUT
Every little bit counts. Buy spearmint tea. Drink that for breakfast rather than a coffee or OJ or maybe when you want a soda you could drink that instead.
Also-now bear with me now- I know y'all are going to call me looney tunes but I have been drinking a glass of soymilk a day since I started HRT and I swear it's at least helped a little with the breast growth (I know I know).
I know it sounds crazy but soy does have a very mild impact on estrogen levels. It's why they recommend cismen to not drink too much soy and why they tell women to cut back on it too because it may (may being the operative word) increase their risk for breast cancer.
That's pretty much all I have but I know doing something about your situation might be enough to help you feel a lot better.
im going to see my tharapist next tuesday so wen i go and see her im gonna ask her wen she thinks shes gonna give me hormones and if she gives me the wrong answer ik this is bad to say on the forums and prolly will get this thread deleted or locked but im just gonna self medicate idc if its dangerious cause i really want hormones and ill do anything i have to to get them
oh girly I really wish you hadn't a said that (wait WHY the hell am I talking like some faux-italian mobster???)
Quote from: Erin_Grey on June 14, 2012, 10:28:00 PM
oh girly I really wish you hadn't a said that (wait WHY the hell am I talking like some faux-italian mobster???)
lmao :D.
Baby girl. I believe you.
Please don't say things that will get you blocked from this forum or a therapist. You are indeed, a fighter.
I know I can be strict with you. I may not stop for a while. Please do not doubt my best interests are with you. I have been there. Many times.
Is there any way you can finish HS online faster? And go to a university?
Really, college is a safe haven. Until then, unless you can support yourself, you may be stuck in Hell.
I can't solve your problems for you. But I respect them. I've had my own.
Aloha,
Tori
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Quote from: Erin_Grey on June 13, 2012, 07:10:58 PM
No. There is nothing short of hormones that you can do to significantly reduce your T. Well, you could castrate yourself but that would be painful and stupid.
Anti - androgens are more effective than Hormones at reducing T. Not sure how you can get them without a script?
Quote from: Erin_Grey on June 14, 2012, 10:21:27 PM
Also-now bear with me now- I know y'all are going to call me looney tunes but I have been drinking a glass of soymilk a day since I started HRT and I swear it's at least helped a little with the breast growth (I know I know).
I know it sounds crazy but soy does have a very mild impact on estrogen levels. It's why they recommend cismen to not drink too much soy and why they tell women to cut back on it too because it may (may being the operative word) increase their risk for breast cancer.
Mmmmh I come from a place where all the kids basically grew up drinking soy milk, and even many adults will drink it quite often... :P I still love drinking it even now. It definitely doesn't make the guys grow any boobs :P
Quote from: Angelique1994 on June 14, 2012, 10:05:07 PM
he has friends that are cops and he only tells them his side of the story and not mine so they think hes the angel and im the one starting the fights so they will stick up for him and make sure he gets out of trouble
Sorry to go off of the main point of the thread. I have some experience with abuse. I used to get beat growing up for doing anything that my step dad did not think a boy should do. Just to help keep on point here, I am not going to go into it. But, if you ever want to talk about it feel free to pm me.
Ooookay, few things here:
One: If your birthday is in a few weeks and you'll be 18, you can go see a GHP, tell him/her about what you need it for, and see if they'll let you start taking spiro. See if you can get a limited letter from your therapist authorizing this (happens all the time for pre-pubescent t-kids). Spironolactone is the drug that we use to block androgens before adding Estrogen and Progesterone. It's not terribly cheep ($80 for around a two month's supply) but it'll stop the testosterone from making you crazy/aggressive. It's worth the cost just for that by itself.
Two: I hate to let you in on this one but then again I dont: you're already as masculinized as you're going to be for quite some time. You have brow bossing and somewhat larger shoulders. A little while isn't going to make a huge difference. The only thing that would have mattered before 21 is starting anti-androgens before 12 so that you kept the voice and before 13-14 to prevent the couple of things you already have. Time is on your side from here one out as the rest of masculinization takes a pretty good deal of time to complete (you'd be fully complete at around 25). You're pretty and lucked out on the looks department even through puberty. Don't freak about it too much. I've got a softer set of features than 90% of trans-girls and I transitioned at 29. You've got time.
Three: As far as home life goes, you're going to have to (HAVE TO) learn the meaning of patience. At 18 you can get the hell on out of your parents home and do what you like. I hope that you have a college plan or something but if not, you'll be able to get somewhere and do something.
Four: Your dad is seriously angry because your being trans threatens his masculinity to his way of thinking. That's just the way western style modern men think in certain circles. You living full time is a serious blow to his ego because his friends see it and, if I'm reading his actions right, he sees that as demeaning himself in their eyes. I'm not saying that behavior or attitude is correct in any way but I will say that he's hurting a lot from his point of view and you understanding that and accepting it may make your life easier because you'll remember not to needle him with it all the time. I'm not saying don't be genuine about yourself nor hide yourself but, I recall being a teen. I wanted to be out there all the time every day. It was just a thing. Try reigning it in around the house and just being polite, respectful, and as loving as you can be. Try to be the daughter that you want him to see and love instead of the young woman, hell bent on living your life on your own terms that you know you are. Still the same person, just a different attitude. He still loves you. He's just confused and unable to accept the reality of the situation. Push too hard and too much and you may break that relationship forever which, while I'm sure might be a nice idea right now, you'd regret later on.
Five: If you want to go all the way, afford hormones, and all that jazz, you're going to have to learn to be a woman instead of a girl. Yes this means sacking the hard-party phase. From the sounds of things, you aren't going to get any help from home so you're probably going to have to spring for this yourself. That means working a job, keeping a level head, and trying hard to be mature enough to not spend every second partying your ass off or blowing everything on clothes and cosmetics (goodwill is your friend, really). The latter is fun but gets you nowhere. Transition costs somewhere around $30,000, even for someone your age (hormones + surgeries). You're definitely going to want to find the discipline to live life conservatively at THIS point so that you can enjoy the hell out of your later 20's (the better part by FAR!)
Hope this is taken as its meant. You have a long journey. Take it a day at a time, chick.
Quote from: Victoria Mitchell on June 15, 2012, 11:25:23 AM
Ooookay, few things here:
One: If your birthday is in a few weeks and you'll be 18, you can go see a GHP, tell him/her about what you need it for, and see if they'll let you start taking spiro. See if you can get a limited letter from your therapist authorizing this (happens all the time for pre-pubescent t-kids). Spironolactone is the drug that we use to block androgens before adding Estrogen and Progesterone. It's not terribly cheep ($80 for around a two month's supply) but it'll stop the testosterone from making you crazy/aggressive. It's worth the cost just for that by itself.
Two: I hate to let you in on this one but then again I dont: you're already as masculinized as you're going to be for quite some time. You have brow bossing and somewhat larger shoulders. A little while isn't going to make a huge difference. The only thing that would have mattered before 21 is starting anti-androgens before 12 so that you kept the voice and before 13-14 to prevent the couple of things you already have. Time is on your side from here one out as the rest of masculinization takes a pretty good deal of time to complete (you'd be fully complete at around 25). You're pretty and lucked out on the looks department even through puberty. Don't freak about it too much. I've got a softer set of features than 90% of trans-girls and I transitioned at 29. You've got time.
Three: As far as home life goes, you're going to have to (HAVE TO) learn the meaning of patience. At 18 you can get the hell on out of your parents home and do what you like. I hope that you have a college plan or something but if not, you'll be able to get somewhere and do something.
Four: Your dad is seriously angry because your being trans threatens his masculinity to his way of thinking. That's just the way western style modern men think in certain circles. You living full time is a serious blow to his ego because his friends see it and, if I'm reading his actions right, he sees that as demeaning himself in their eyes. I'm not saying that behavior or attitude is correct in any way but I will say that he's hurting a lot from his point of view and you understanding that and accepting it may make your life easier because you'll remember not to needle him with it all the time. I'm not saying don't be genuine about yourself nor hide yourself but, I recall being a teen. I wanted to be out there all the time every day. It was just a thing. Try reigning it in around the house and just being polite, respectful, and as loving as you can be. Try to be the daughter that you want him to see and love instead of the young woman, hell bent on living your life on your own terms that you know you are. Still the same person, just a different attitude. He still loves you. He's just confused and unable to accept the reality of the situation. Push too hard and too much and you may break that relationship forever which, while I'm sure might be a nice idea right now, you'd regret later on.
Five: If you want to go all the way, afford hormones, and all that jazz, you're going to have to learn to be a woman instead of a girl. Yes this means sacking the hard-party phase. From the sounds of things, you aren't going to get any help from home so you're probably going to have to spring for this yourself. That means working a job, keeping a level head, and trying hard to be mature enough to not spend every second partying your ass off or blowing everything on clothes and cosmetics (goodwill is your friend, really). The latter is fun but gets you nowhere. Transition costs somewhere around $30,000, even for someone your age (hormones + surgeries). You're definitely going to want to find the discipline to live life conservatively at THIS point so that you can enjoy the hell out of your later 20's (the better part by FAR!)
Hope this is taken as its meant. You have a long journey. Take it a day at a time, chick.
i accually am seeing a gender tharapist already i have been to bout 6 or 8 appointments and plus are u saying if i still look femine im gonna stay looking femine for awhile? and for the relationship between me and my dad thats already broken i hate his guts and plus his friends except me and dont even make fun of him bout it he just dont like it and when i tell him to please love me for the daughter i wanna be he always tells me that he dont have a daughter and never will
Quote from: Angelique1994 on June 15, 2012, 11:42:39 AM
i accually am seeing a gender tharapist already i have been to bout 6 or 8 appointments and plus are u saying if i still look femine im gonna stay looking femine for awhile? and for the relationship between me and my dad thats already broken i hate his guts and plus his friends except me and dont even make fun of him bout it he just dont like it and when i tell him to please love me for the daughter i wanna be he always tells me that he dont have a daughter and never will
Gender therapist: ask for a letter at least letting you on Spiro if she says that you're not ready for full HRT. Seriously.
Looks: Yup. You wont lose those for at least a couple of years but spiro would stop masculinization altogether. You *do* already have some effects of the T on your features and it will slowly get worse over time but nothing like puberty fast. Weeks ain't gonna wreck you, girlie.
Dad: Hate is a strong word. It will take a long, long time for someone to come around. Keep at it and don't let the anger rule your heart and soul.
Quote from: Victoria Mitchell on June 15, 2012, 11:48:02 AM
Gender therapist: ask for a letter at least letting you on Spiro if she says that you're not ready for full HRT. Seriously.
Looks: Yup. You wont lose those for at least a couple of years but spiro would stop masculinization altogether. You *do* already have some effects of the T on your features and it will slowly get worse over time but nothing like puberty fast. Weeks ain't gonna wreck you, girlie.
Dad: Hate is a strong word. It will take a long, long time for someone to come around. Keep at it and don't let the anger rule your heart and soul.
im gonna ask my gender tharapist next week wen i go see her and ask her about hormones and if she tells me not yet ill ask her about the spiro. and since u said i wont lose my prettyness and feminess look for atleast 2 years then im not gonna worry bout that as much anymore cause they have alot of beautiful women out there that have some masculin bone structure for example
tracy dimarco: my bone structure is pretty similar as hers but mine isnt as masculine. i even have a butt chin just like she does LMFAO
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Quote from: Angelique1994 on June 14, 2012, 10:01:12 PM
he refuses to go to tharapy and if he went to jail i would too cause im also part of the fight wen me and him are fighting
Not true!
You are a minor, being beaten up by an abusive father. There isn't a jury in the state that would convict you, and not a prosecutor who would indict you.
Quote from: Erin_Grey on June 14, 2012, 10:10:15 PM
We're the texting generation. This is what we excel at! >:-)
You are all going to end up with thumb cancer!
Quote from: Angelique1994 on June 14, 2012, 10:25:40 PM
im going to see my tharapist next tuesday so wen i go and see her im gonna ask her wen she thinks shes gonna give me hormones and if she gives me the wrong answer ik this is bad to say on the forums and prolly will get this thread deleted or locked but im just gonna self medicate idc if its dangerious cause i really want hormones and ill do anything i have to to get them
Yes, it is dangerous. And stupid. And deadly.
I also know that people are in all sorts of desperate situations.
Just review Rule 8 of the Terms of Service.