Just another copy threat. of Can transmen say the T word.
so
can trans women say the T word..?
in caise you have no clue I mean people using tr**ny to deribe themself
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this is the link of the threat in ftm section for anyone curious.
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,122334.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,122334.0.html)
Quote from: dalebert on June 28, 2012, 10:49:44 AM
He gives some warnings at the beginning of this video about triggering and such so please pay attention before continuing to watch.
can trans men say the t word? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vyn8vzWjyG4#)
Never never never, that word is for the clueless rest of the world
Honestly, I don't want to hear it from anyone, cis, trans, bunny or bug. But what especially pisses me off is when some trans twit tells someone that its ok to call us that as a group. They may well see themselves that way, but they have no right to assign that term to those of us who want nothing to do with it.
Do I look like I am coupled to an engine?
If someone wants to self describe that to themselves, more power to them. But they do a disservice to them selves and the community as a whole.
Oh gawd, what suddenly I'm in a minority now?? ;D
Frankly I think anyone can say whatever they want and they're either nice or a jerk depending on who they say it in company of. :)
Quote from: pretty on July 09, 2012, 11:30:17 AM
Oh gawd, what suddenly I'm in a minority now?? ;D
Frankly I think anyone can say whatever they want and they're either nice or a jerk depending on who they say it in company of. :)
Anyone can say anything they want. The consequences of doing so, however, are out of their control.
And god, we're coming off like sensitive little bunnies on here ::)
Well I love hot topics.. granted I've been thinking about this very subject of the "t" word.. now, being part "wetback, beaner and spick" oh yeah not to mention part "red man or ingen" I have had to deal with "words" of many kinds in my 30 years on this earth. Now the question of the "T" term.. well context matters a great deal. It's not the words but the intent behind them. Many.. MANY others maybe offened by my use of certain terms to describe myself at the begining of this very post.. that's ok, because I have the right to call myself anything I choose. When someone else chooses to use any of those mentioned terms.. including now "the T word," in a manner wich is meant to be harmfull that's when I take offense. These terms will never go away, it's how we handle their use that can change. I'm not saying to go out and start dropping the "t" bomb, but I am saying as our gender choices become more and more open to the world, everyone needs to understand that context matters!
Quote from: Adam1 on July 09, 2012, 11:34:50 AM
And god, we're coming off like sensitive little bunnies on here ::)
Just exactly what is wrong with sensitive little bunnies?! Are you leporiphobic?
I think the term has enough negative connotation that no matter what context its in, it just sounds bad and I don't think I've ever heard the term used irl where it wasn't in anything but a negative context and usually meant to ridicule someone, cis or trans.
Well now, - can cis-women say the T word?
I guess depending on the situation they can, and I guess they will, or?
So... if they can... we can. Not so?
Will I call MYSELF a tyranny? Hey, you JOKING, or?!
Will I call some other women that?
Maybe if she wants to hit me with her hand bag? All depends on the situation. A lot.
I once called some guy worse than that - being enough fired up, see. (No need to elaborate)
His dög wanted to bite my ankles :(
Axélle
dont like it myself, whoever says it. I dont freak out about it but it does make me sad.
I am known for being completely irreverent in all things. Like Penny Gurl, I'm a great big mix of nationalities (Mexican/African/Caddo American) and there are no limits to the politically incorrect terms I will use in reference to myself with friends. My partner and I in particular, within the privacy of our playful bantor, have, will and do call each other just about every politically incorrect term that you can imagine... and we do it in all playfulness... sometimes it's almost like foreplay to us. As most people in my life don't know about my transition 14 years ago, such terms as "the 'T' word" never come up outside of playful teasing between my spouse and me. I guess it's all about context... playful teasing is always welcome and fun; people who know me know that. Hateful slurs? That's just never okay. I will beat an [n word] down! (Kidding!)
Quote from: Natkat on July 09, 2012, 10:43:44 AM
Just another copy threat. of Can transmen say the T word.
so
can trans women say the T word..?
in caise you have no clue I mean people using tr**ny to deribe themself
I suppose this would be analogous to people of African decent using the word "n-gga" or "n-gger"? As this has become common place nowadays in many environments. 30 years ago, we would never consider using this word as it is used today.
I personally tend to avoid the T-word... unless I'm using it with friends in a humorous/derogatory manner on purpose... which is rare.
Quote from: JennX on July 09, 2012, 12:11:42 PM
I suppose this would be analogous to people of African decent using the word "n-gga" or "n-gger"? As this has become common place nowadays in many environments. 30 years ago, we would never consider using this word as it is used today.
I personally tend to avoid the T-word... unless I'm using it with friends in a humorous/derogatory manner on purpose... which is rare.
I use the n word and I'm not black. That word is now more to do with socioeconomics and the racial implications that it has.
In other words, if you grew up on the streets you would use it,but if your a little princess who grew up on the upper east side or long island you wouldn't lest you want to the sh*slapped out of you.
Quote from: Adam1 on July 09, 2012, 12:16:33 PM
I use the n word and I'm not black. That word is now more to do with socioeconomics and the racial implications that it has.
In other words, if you grew up on the streets you would use it,but if your a little princess who grew up on the upper east side or long island you wouldn't lest you want to the sh*slapped out of you.
If this was 1970, I'd agree with you. Time changes things. Today many TV commercials, PG movies, songs, etc. use the N-word used in similar context. Let alone friends using it out loud in public.
I think time has drastically changed the meaning, intent, and who and who can't use the word. I think the T-word is what the N-word was 30 years ago. We'll see where it ends up.
I happen to be photographing a wedding a few weeks ago where all the cg's there were using every slur and term ever used to describe to a woman to call eachother... but it was a bunch of girls getting ready in private... once again CONTEXT matters. Not a one uttered any of the trash talk later, it wouldn't be proper. But in that case it was all in good fun.. and even prevented a few tears and smeared make up.
If I hear someone say that, I do feel kinda awkward. Instead of getting angry though I try to explain to them why it is wrong to say stuff like that. Just like I try to do when people say 'that's gay' or along those lines.
Even if I know they won't take it to heart and probably still say things like that after I can at least say I tried.
I'm not especially bothered by it, but I'm certainly aware of the sort of images it conjures for most people.
It's more ::) than :(
I don't like it personally, but have no problem with other trans people using it. Other minority groups have tried to reclaim derogatory terms, trans people can do it too.
I feel it depends on the way it is used. Sometimes I will use it on myself in a light manner. It kinda removes the "power" of the word. Granted if anyone uses it in the right way it will still hurt some...I personally can't stand the "I" word...
I do not accept that I am trans anything much less "->-bleeped-<-." I do not believe that we should, as a community, take ownership of this word like we do with dyke or queer or the N word. It is different, most of us identify with the F word: Female!
Quote from: Jaime on July 09, 2012, 11:46:22 AM
I think the term has enough negative connotation that no matter what context its in, it just sounds bad and I don't think I've ever heard the term used irl where it wasn't in anything but a negative context and usually meant to ridicule someone, cis or trans.
You hit the nail on the head. Even though I love him, Bill Maher, a misogynist of the first order, often derogatorily uses the term, even to make fun of cisgender beauty contest participants, saying they all look like ->-bleeped-<-s.
Me?? I personally dont care what ignorant ppl have to say. I consider myself a female, since I am post op, so i dont go around tellin the world. When I was pre-op i did take it personally, because I think most ppl that arent educated will put all of us in one category, and it is not just the people, but much of what the media does to influence and perpetuate this. We are much like what issues the gay people had to deal with back in the 70's, but I personally think ppl are even less educated when I comes to TG/TS.
The unfortunate thing is transgender can mean draq queens, crossdressers etc, men PRETENDING to be women or even mocking female sexuality as drag queens do. We need another word. One of the first transsexuals was a German MTF named Rudolph Richter. We could start calling it "Richter's Syndrome." In fact, I think I will start using it in situations in which I have to disclose. :laugh: :laugh:
thats what those guys screamed out of their truck to me when i was going to see my bf the other night .......
Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on July 09, 2012, 07:37:44 PM
The unfortunate thing is transgender can mean draq queens, crossdressers etc, men PRETENDING to be women or even mocking female sexuality as drag queens do. We need another word.
The problem is that even after srs, many people will always see us as pretending to be women. I don't see another term for it helping any.
Here is the best analogy I can think of. Does someone born with Down Syndrome find it OK to be called a Mongolian Idiot?
Quote from: Jaime on July 09, 2012, 07:43:34 PM
The problem is that even after srs, many people will always see us as pretending to be women. I don't see another term for it helping any.
i defiantly think transgender should be a umbrella term for varience including androgynes and gender queer people too
but including drag queens as transgender makes no sense to me , its just a show / performance for them they dont live that way
Quote from: mementomori on July 09, 2012, 08:15:05 PM
i defiantly think transgender should be a umbrella term for varience including androgynes and gender queer people too
but including drag queens as transgender makes no sense to me , its just a show / performance for them they dont live that way
Unfortunately, whether it makes sense to you or not, the academic definition of transgender is that it is an umbrella term that includes all gender variant people including cross-dressers and drag kings and queens. Some definitions include "butch lesbians" as TG. The meaning of the word has changed over the years. Visit
http://www.thetaskforce.org/downloads/reports/reports/TransgenderEquality.pdf (http://www.thetaskforce.org/downloads/reports/reports/TransgenderEquality.pdf)
It offers an interesting etymology of the word.
"Before the mid-1990s, the term 'transgender' had a narrower and more specific meaning.
As coined several decades ago by Dr. Virginia Prince, who has published numerous
books and articles on the subject,5 the term originally referred to biological men
who are satisfied with their male genitalia, but who wish to be seen
and to live in the world as women. In contrast to transsexual people,
'transgender' persons (in the older, more narrow sense of the term)
have come to terms with the contradiction between their bodies and
their gender identities and are not troubled by that contradiction, so
they have not shown up in doctors' offices to be diagnosed and documented.
Instead, they are more likely to show up in sociological or
anthropological studies, or to be writing their own stories in the form
of autobiographies, essays or books. As a group, their sexual orientation is predominantly
heterosexual (based on genitalia), but there are also bisexual, asexual, and
homosexual individuals. Sexual orientation or behavior is not the primary issue or primary
motivation for transgendered people; rather, the issue is wishing to live and to be
perceived as a gender that is different than one's biological sex. This is, of course, an
oversimplification because the relationship between gender identity and sexual desire
is highly complex and individual."
Quote from: mementomori on July 09, 2012, 08:15:05 PM
i defiantly think transgender should be a umbrella term for varience including androgynes and gender queer people too
but including drag queens as transgender makes no sense to me , its just a show / performance for them they dont live that way
Agreed, I wondered why dragqueens were added...makes no sense really..
I've said this before somewhere else, under an old username, but I have some feeling that the word ->-bleeped-<- is more offensive to those who speak North American English than it is to those who speak other kinds.
Certain trans women and men use it amongst themselves in Australia in a jocular way. I think it reflects the fact that there is less prejudice against trans people here generally than what appears to be the case in the US, and so there is less use of the word in an insulting way by others. Also to put a -y on the end of something or an -o to make long words into shorter familiar ones is a characteristic of Australian (and to a lesser extent New Zealand) English.
Sensitivities may be changing though, the old "->-bleeped-<- radio" site I mentioned in that old post has changed to "Transgender Radio' within the last year.
I don't care who says it as long as they aren't talking about me. ;)
Maÿlis
I don't think the word can appropriately be reclaimed yet. Until that time, the T-word should be off-limits.
id rather just be refered to as a human being , not all these other stupid labels when it comes down to it at the end of the day
I don't mind the words transsexual, trans woman / men as that is what were are sentential, we speaking to people I'll will refer to then as a woman or man,
The minute people start saying tr**ny it just throws you in with the rest of the freaks out there the encompass "T" in general no offence to the Androgyny or Intersex people here, that may be a little harsh and may not be politically correct, (this would be the part where people start saying how dare I call people freaks but that's what the general public thinks)
But every thing that we have work so hard for can be brought down in one second with someone saying tr**ny whether they mean it in a derogatory way or not.
I personally don't like the "T" word, only due to the fact that a majority of people who hear it, think of it in a completely negative way. I agree with UCBerkeleyPostop, I don't want to take ownership of such a word, I want to be identified as Female! ;D
duhh of course you can. Try not to give people the wrong impression however. first they need to understand it's a serious problem then they can chuckle at it.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NWordPrivileges (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NWordPrivileges)
I've also refereed to myself in jest in addition to "->-bleeped-<-"
"Half-Boy"
"Hybrid"
"Infiltrator"
"Mutant"
"Changeling half-breed"
And numerous others, It's fine If you treat me properly and regard me as a female and aren't spiteful about it but I have told certain other people who explicitly refuse to refer to me as female under nominal circumstances that they aren't allowed to joke about the issue.
Personally, I hate the "T" word. If someone called me a tr***y, they would have to either apologize quickly or suffer my wrath. :)
Quote from: Claire25 on July 09, 2012, 04:29:33 PM
...I personally can't stand the "I" word...
what is the "I" word??
Quote from: Natkat on July 10, 2012, 07:03:47 PM
what is the "I" word??
"It"....My mother in law referred to me as that and my heart just dropped..
If you do not like it applied to yourself then do not do so.
However we have no right to dictate to others how they self identify.
Do ya'll nay sayers object to the self identified ->-bleeped-<-s, tgurls and CWAD's?
This comunity can do better for itself than to get all up in a snit over semantics.
Now if a cisgender uses the term it can be and ussualy is derogatory and in this case it is all about the context.
Quote from: cynthialee on July 10, 2012, 07:37:24 PM
Do ya'll nay sayers object to the self identified ->-bleeped-<-s, tgurls and CWAD's?
Just curious. What is a CWAD? I have never heard that term before.
Quote from: Claire25 on July 10, 2012, 07:40:51 PM
Just curious. What is a CWAD? I have never head that term before.
Isn't that "Chick with a Disposition"?
Quote from: Miharu Barbie on July 10, 2012, 07:43:37 PM
Isn't that "Chick with a Disposition"?
lol
yeah...sure...thats the ticket!
its disposition yeah thats the one...
Quote from: cynthialee on July 10, 2012, 07:51:18 PM
lol
yeah...sure...thats the ticket!
its disposition yeah thats the one...
Ahh I got ya..Thank you for explaining ;D
I think we have far too far to go in advancing trans* rights before we can go about reclaiming that word.
Language shapes how we think about things, and how others think of us. It's NOT just "semantics."
Oh, for what it's worth, this is NOT a semantic debate: it's a pragmatics and normativity debate. We know precisely what tr*nny means (semantics); the debate is over whether there are bad effects to its use (pragmatics), and whether one ought to say it, or whether one is permitted in saying it, normatively speaking (normativity).
Well my stance on the matter is no one has a right to dictate which identity word they choose regardless of how it might make you feel.
If you feel put off by how others identify themselves than the problem is with in and not from others.
Only when we allow a word to have power can it have power over ourselves.
There are people who identify as ->-bleeped-<-, ->-bleeped-<-, and I am sure a host of other things that might offend some one else. But that is just silly when we allow some one elses self identity cause us mental duress.
Personaly I think it is a cutesy sounding word that is ok to use in trans circles. I have used the word to explain myself one time to get it through a particularly thick skulled indivule that I was not a gay male. Not a word I often use but when I do I take great offense to the gramer police coming in with their self apointed mandate to stamp out the word.
No one here or anywhere else has a right to police the vocabulary of anouther person when it comes to self identity, let alone a fellow transitioner. You have no mandate to remove the word from the language nor do you have the right to demand that any one bow to your politicaly correct lexicon.
Personally I have a similar attitude to Kadri's. I use it among friends as an abbreviation, the same as 'mozzie' for mosquito, 'tinnie' for aluminium boat, and so on. People here don't seem to get worked up over a word as in some other places. If anyone wants to make an insult out of I'll let them know what I think of them in far more inventive terms than that.
Karen.
Quote from: justmeinoz on July 11, 2012, 02:29:51 AM
Personally I have a similar attitude to Kadri's. I use it among friends as an abbreviation, the same as 'mozzie' for mosquito, 'tinnie' for aluminium boat, and so on. People here don't seem to get worked up over a word as in some other places. If anyone wants to make an insult out of I'll let them know what I think of them in far more inventive terms than that.
Karen.
Awesome! thanks Karen, nice to have an indication (other than my own suspicion) that there may be some usage and connotation of the word here within the community of trans people that is missing in the US.
I know someone here who is completely passable AND considers herself a woman, and yet still has a t-shirt that says "nobody knows i'm a ->-bleeped-<-" on it.
I want one that says "Bite my luscious ->-bleeped-<- butt!" (homage to Bender) but I probably wouldn't wear it unless I was at Mardi Gras.
People do get offended when the word is used by this outside the community to refer to them though.
We used tinnie for something else entirely in NZ ...we used to live next to a "tinnie house" that did a brisk trade, and they were certainly
not selling aluminium boats!
Quote from: Natkat on July 09, 2012, 10:43:44 AM
Just another copy threat. of Can transmen say the T word.
so
can trans women say the T word..?
in caise you have no clue I mean people using tr**ny to deribe themself
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this is the link of the threat in ftm section for anyone curious.
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,122334.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,122334.0.html)
Transwomen? or a transman? I think that terminology sucks big time! I think it is degrading and makes the person sound like an alien or non human! what is wrong with calling someone a woman or a man? just because they may have transitioned is irrelevant.
Quote from: Claire25 on July 10, 2012, 07:27:05 PM
"It"....My mother in law referred to me as that and my heart just dropped..
oh yeah... its kinda disturbing
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on July 11, 2012, 04:54:26 AM
Transwomen? or a transman? I think that terminology sucks big time! I think it is degrading and makes the person sound like an alien or non human! what is wrong with calling someone a woman or a man? just because they may have transitioned is irrelevant.
In women's studies 101, they teach that trans is a self-identifying term and no one should ever label or out someone as trans/gender/sexual.
If people want to self-identify as trans, feel free but I really wish folks would not slur themselves by referring to themselves as a ->-bleeped-<-. I feel it is a disservice to the community as many of us feel that the term is highly objectionable. Transgender is bad enough!
The only place the term is acceptable is at AAMCO.
:angel:
Ok.. first 'transgender' is factual, not bad at all. The fact is many of us were born into the incorrect gender and have to (trans)ition to our correct (gender) it in no way makes us less or more male or female but due to situations beyond our controll that's how we were born. The 't' word will never go away and.. sorry to say this, but it shouldn't, if it did that means we as a socity have begun to over censor and are walking ourselves down the path of book burnings and the total loss of free speach. THE WORLD IS AN OFfENSIVE AND SOMETIMES CRUEL PLACE TO LIVE. It's hard to be different, however with out struggles we can never find our true inner strength. Words only have the power to offend when WE give them that power.
Quote from: Penny Gurl on July 12, 2012, 10:35:09 PM
Ok.. first 'transgender' is factual, not bad at all. The fact is many of us were born into the incorrect gender and have to (trans)ition to our correct (gender) it in no way makes us less or more male or female but due to situations beyond our controll that's how we were born. The 't' word will never go away and.. sorry to say this, but it shouldn't, if it did that means we as a socity have begun to over censor and are walking ourselves down the path of book burnings and the total loss of free speach. THE WORLD IS AN OFfENSIVE AND SOMETIMES CRUEL PLACE TO LIVE. It's hard to be different, however with out struggles we can never find our true inner strength. Words only have the power to offend when WE give them that power.
Excuse me but minority groups have the right to be referred to the way they choose. I am not trans anything. In the fifties, African-Americans were referred to as "colored" "Negroes"and worse the N-word. Some have chosen to take back the N-word but it is still a taboo. If we as a group tell people to stop calling us trans, it can happen.
While i don't debate that a minority group can choose what to be called, the fact remains that it is still a group and by being a group would then need some way to define what that group is.... so one way or another a term must be used. As a group we can't just be 'those people'. Being a fully vested card carrying minority myself I understand how lables and definitions can sometimes be incorrectly used. Example not every African American is of african decent, however the term is used to identify the group in general.
Quote from: Penny Gurl on July 12, 2012, 11:09:12 PM
While i don't debate that a minority group can choose what to be called, the fact remains that it is still a group and by being a group would then need some way to define what that group is.... so one way or another a term must be used. As a group we can't just be 'those people'. Being a fully vested card carrying minority myself I understand how lables and definitions can sometimes be incorrectly used. Example not every African American is of african decent, however the term is used to identify the group in general.
Actually every African-American is of African descent by definition. If enough of us got together and agreed on a new word, we could start a movement.
I guess it would depend on the situation. If a person wants to call themselves that it's fine but if other's don't they should respect their wishes.
Which brings me to another thing that was on my mind. I had an ad out looking for friends and maybe a potential relationship and one person emailed me back and part of the message said "Unfortunately I have a girlfriend. She's a pre op ->-bleeped-<- and I love her so much." Romantic rejection aside the way she said it sounded negative to me. I don't know if her girlfriend feels okay with her referring to her as that or if she even knows. I just didn't like the wording to to each is their own I guess if everyone consents.
Malachite, your post made me rethink this and my new position is that people should not use the word period. Lots of black folk object to anyone using the N-word and I am beginning to feel the same way about the T-word.
Every Breath You Take (http://youtu.be/cEnJDaqT3-0)
IDC if someone uses the word. My roommate says it all the time and I couldn't care less. I pick my battles and that one isn't worth fighting.
Quote from: Alainaluvsu on July 13, 2012, 01:29:38 AM
IDC if someone uses the word. My roommate says it all the time and I couldn't care less. I pick my battles and that one isn't worth fighting.
Do people not understand that it's essentially "->-bleeped-<-" for trans people?!
OK, maybe you're all right with people using it, but perhaps you could care for those of us who find it deeply offensive?
Quote from: rachl on July 13, 2012, 06:23:18 AM
Do people not understand that it's essentially "->-bleeped-<-" for trans people?!
OK, maybe you're all right with people using it, but perhaps you could care for those of us who find it deeply offensive?
This is exactly how I feel about it.
Quote from: rachl on July 13, 2012, 06:23:18 AM
Do people not understand that it's essentially "->-bleeped-<-" for trans people?!
OK, maybe you're all right with people using it, but perhaps you could care for those of us who find it deeply offensive?
If I went up to someone in the street and said 'I'm a transwomen' they would wonder what the hell I was talking about! for goodness sake ditch these awful tags which are degrading and only serve to alienate a person. I am female and I never indicate otherwise.
Quote from: rachl on July 13, 2012, 06:23:18 AM
Do people not understand that it's essentially "->-bleeped-<-" for trans people?!
OK, maybe you're all right with people using it, but perhaps you could care for those of us who find it deeply offensive?
It's only like that if we as a whole let it be that way. Society doesn't see it as offensive as a whole (at least from what I've seen), why do we need to give ourselves an offensive term? It does nothing but gives the haters a word to use to tick us off.
Quote from: Alainaluvsu on July 13, 2012, 01:04:08 PM
It's only like that if we as a whole let it be that way. Society doesn't see it as offensive as a whole (at least from what I've seen), why do we need to give ourselves an offensive term? It does nothing but gives the haters a word to use to tick us off.
A white person hatefully calling a black person "->-bleeped-<-" is hurtful regardless of whether the black person 'lets it' hurt them. It's what the word represents and how it's used by non-trans aware people. It's meant as an extremely negative term. It's far too early to try to reclaim it.
People need some awareness of the history and politics of the language before they galavant around using that word while it's still widely used to hurt trans people.
well if we are going by the history of the word...it was coined by trans* folks
Its used to call someone something other than male or female and yeah, society isn't going to see it as offensive on the whole because society is primarily cis, it doesn't affect them and gives them another term to use to tell someone that something is wrong with them. Either they look wrong or don't meet their definition of either female or male.
Quote from: Jaime on July 13, 2012, 04:06:19 PM
Its used to call someone something other than male or female and yeah, society isn't going to see it as offensive on the whole because society is primarily cis, it doesn't affect them and gives them another term to use to tell someone that something is wrong with them. Either they look wrong or don't meet their definition of either female or male.
Why should the use of that word effect you? It's like picking a random word like oogibladoogibla and saying oh that word is offensive to my kind....
It's not a vulgar word. Transsexuals say it on tv.. idk why we have to take offense. It's just opening us all up to having people who hate transsexuals call us something "negative" when it doesn't have to be.
Quote from: Alainaluvsu on July 13, 2012, 05:19:00 PM
Why should the use of that word effect you? It's like picking a random word like oogibladoogibla and saying oh that word is offensive to my kind....
It's not a vulgar word. Transsexuals say it on tv.. idk why we have to take offense. It's just opening us all up to having people who hate transsexuals call us something "negative" when it doesn't have to be.
So you are fine with people that hate us calling you whatever they want and it means nothing to you? I really doubt that and I imagine you will eventually get tired of your friends calling you that while outing you whenever they want to have fun exposing the "fake chick" to people for their own amusement.
And even if we were to accept that word, which I never will, it doesn't mean it will no negative meaning when people are calling you that while threatening you or even beating the hell out of you. Its too ingrained as meaning not a real woman in its use and I will not accept its use for me from anyone, period.
Quote from: Jaime on July 13, 2012, 07:20:09 PM
So you are fine with people that hate us calling you whatever they want and it means nothing to you? I really doubt that and I imagine you will eventually get tired of your friends calling you that while outing you whenever they want to have fun exposing the "fake chick" to people for their own amusement.
And even if we were to accept that word, which I never will, it doesn't mean it will no negative meaning when people are calling you that while threatening you or even beating the hell out of you. Its too ingrained as meaning not a real woman in its use and I will not accept its use for me from anyone, period.
I'm fine with people using the word ->-bleeped-<-. If it's someone I don't like then I'll deal with it as someone I don't like, not as someone who said the wrong word and they committed a party foul.
Transsexual is too ingrained into meaning not a real woman too. What's so bad about the shortened version of it. My true friends can call me a ->-bleeped-<- all they want, it doesn't mean they see me as any less of a girl and they're not making fun of me by using it either.
Whoever wants to be offended by the use of a word go ahead. I refuse to let someone get me worked up over it.
Personally I can't think of a worse thing to be CALLED. I have used it to describe myself, usually in therapy sessions when I was being unduly hard on myself. I would never use this word to describe someone else. The other day I was talking about a trans friend with my therapist, and I simply mentioned that she was "like me" and my therapist got the message. Surely with as extensive as the english language is we can have discussions without the use of offensive slurs.
when you allow someones choice of words to effect you to the point that you are emotionaly harmed, especialy when coming from someone who is intentionaly trying to harm you, you give them power
next time someone hurls an epitath at you just look mildly confussed as if they failed to even deliver the insult properly, not with an over the top delivery however, but with a very mild touch of amusement that they didn't find the right way to get to you and watch them go balistic, now you have the power on them
or if you wanna get real gutsy and you are pretty sure you can get out of the scene fast: after the ->-bleeped-<- insult, just quip back, 'I am sick of you insulting me in public after sucking me off in private you piece of crap, it's over between us jerk' then run like Forest Gump!
Sooo...it's black people's fault for being mad at people calling them "->-bleeped-<-"?
Let's not blame the victims of hate speech, ok?
Quote from: rachl on July 13, 2012, 10:07:01 PM
Sooo...it's black people's fault for being mad at people calling them "->-bleeped-<-"?
Let's not blame the victims of hate speech, ok?
The only way the word ->-bleeped-<- becomes the same as the N word is if we let it.
It doesn't work that way, though.
Quote from: Alainaluvsu on July 13, 2012, 10:21:17 PM
The only way the word ->-bleeped-<- becomes the same as the N word is if we let it.
Quoted for truth.
You are so right!
Quote from: Alainaluvsu on July 13, 2012, 10:21:17 PM
The only way the word ->-bleeped-<- becomes the same as the N word is if we let it.
AMEN! Once again back to my orginal thought on it... CONTEXT MATTERS!
I'd give you a +1 on that if I could figure out how.. lol.. but i totally agree.
In my own experience in the Australian or New Zealand context, people tend not to give the word have a negative connotation within their own community. If it has a negative connotation in the US, does that mean we have to follow whatever they do and stop using it ourselves, I wonder?
Quote from: Kadri on July 18, 2012, 11:12:04 PM
In my own experience in the Australian or New Zealand context, people tend not to give the word have a negative connotation within their own community. If it has a negative connotation in the US, does that mean we have to follow whatever they do and stop using it ourselves, I wonder?
It does not have a "negative connotation" in the US. It is a transphobic slur. If there was some English speaking country where the N-word did not have a "negative connotation" would it be OK to use it there?
Jeez I've been insulting myself for years and I didn't even know it.
As I see it I don't care who says it as long as they're not yelling it down the street. I did get "transvision vamp" yelled at me in the south of france a few weeks ago. Think he was a bit surprised that I was english and asked him why he said that.
I will use the "T" word from time to time to refer to myself, I only use the word when i'm joking around & only around certain people, those people know that my main rule in life is "if you can't laugh at yourself then you shouldn't laugh at others".
The people I use this word around have never used the word around me though but they do have a good natured laugh with me, at no point whilst having a laugh at each other has anything been said with malice.
I think what counts more than the word is the intent or emotion behind it, if any word is intended to be hurtfull then i'd be offended.