Its so weird I have breats and lowever tummy fat yet my rib cage between sticks out like I am under fed or something :-\ Fair question is this normal in humans?? IF not whats the cure??
I don't know if it is normal, but I have the same thing. Especially if I lay on my back. It's kind of freaky looking INHO.
Quote from: Brooke777 on January 07, 2013, 03:13:49 PM
I don't know if it is normal, but I have the same thing. Especially if I lay on my back. It's kind of freaky looking INHO.
mines when i stand :O
Quote from: LilDevilOfPrada on January 07, 2013, 03:16:06 PM
mines when i stand :O
Mine is when I stand too. There is about an 8" difference between the bottom of my rib cage and the diameter of my waste. I was just saying it is super scary when I lay down. ;D
Maybe your body likes to hold on to belly fat.... I know mine does, Im 5'10 and been down to 145 and still had belly fat.... I think HRT might help, but the genetic females of my family have belly fat too, so maybe you are predisposed like me.
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yeah, that was what my sister (a cis-woman) kept saying until she went to the hospital and almost died.
Look at your height and weight in a chart (http://ygraph.com/chart/589 (http://ygraph.com/chart/589)), if you are 5 11 and weight 110 lb, you know what you are anorexic, seek help
Well I am 5'5" and between 110-118lbs on average so i fit the female range just fine :) so we know i won't need to seek medical care.
At the risk of being serious, you dont have to be 110 and 5 10 to have eating problems. I've got a problem and I'm nowhere near there, worse still I rationalize it as ok because I've got a dozen pounds of fat until I'm in danger territory... Trust me, anorexia gets serious before your body completely starves
Quote from: ashrock on January 08, 2013, 01:02:39 AM
At the risk of being serious, you dont have to be 110 and 5 10 to have eating problems. I've got a problem and I'm nowhere near there, worse still I rationalize it as ok because I've got a dozen pounds of fat until I'm in danger territory... Trust me, anorexia gets serious before your body completely starves
I suppose I could be after all I only eat dinner and never finish dinner but I am not sure that means I am.
2 main questions: Are you physically hungry, so therefore do not eat? OR do you feel hungry but refuse to eat (the reasons are unimportant)?
Also, how many calories a day do you consume?
I physically have lost my appetite and can only force down so many calories a day due to busy schedule and queasy stomach. Ive been subsiding on far too few calories a day (trust me, its bad) for a month now. Ive been cold, tired, irritable, uncomfortable. For me the main symptom is the cold, I was always comfortable in a room that was 65-68, now I am only comfortable at like 77. That is the most noticeable difference beside the dizzy spells if I get up too fast (never happened before). Oh and the crazy out of nowhere, insanely fidgity bursts of energy Ive been getting lately. Yesterday it was all I could do to stay awake, but today I feel like attacking a mastadon after running for a couple of days, its gotten a bit out of control.
Quote from: ashrock on January 08, 2013, 11:45:56 AM
2 main questions: Are you physically hungry, so therefore do not eat? OR do you feel hungry but refuse to eat (the reasons are unimportant)?
Also, how many calories a day do you consume?
I physically have lost my appetite and can only force down so many calories a day due to busy schedule and queasy stomach. Ive been subsiding on far too few calories a day (trust me, its bad) for a month now. Ive been cold, tired, irritable, uncomfortable. For me the main symptom is the cold, I was always comfortable in a room that was 65-68, now I am only comfortable at like 77. That is the most noticeable difference beside the dizzy spells if I get up too fast (never happened before). Oh and the crazy out of nowhere, insanely fidgity bursts of energy Ive been getting lately. Yesterday it was all I could do to stay awake, but today I feel like attacking a mastadon after running for a couple of days, its gotten a bit out of control.
I dont feel hungry unless I dont eat for 2 days( I am often not bothered to eat for 2 days sometimes also) and I dont eat food with any fat used in its cooking or just in it.
How long has that been going on? Do you know how many calories, or dont count them?
Quote from: ashrock on January 08, 2013, 11:51:46 AM
How long has that been going on? Do you know how many calories, or dont count them?
Since I started HRT 1 year and 6 months ago, and I dont count calories because its not worth it when you eat as much as I do.
@LilDevilofPrada You might simply have a pertruding rib cage which means your ribcage opens at the bottom more upwards at a diagonal than at a horizontal opening like an average ribcage. It is not unheard of and usually is only visible in slim people or (from what you described above) from people that are loosing weight rapidly (you start to loose weight from top of your thorac/upper abdominal region first). I personally would not be alarmed by it as it sounds like you are still eating healthy.
Well, Id count for a while to be safe... I dont want to go into numbers, but you should know the recommended minimum intake is 1200 a day. Everyone is different, but if you are significantly below that, you might have a problem. Contrary to popular belief, really low amounts of calories a day is NOT healthy (for almost everyone, I will stipulate that there are rare exceptions)
Quote from: peky on January 07, 2013, 06:50:04 PM
yeah, that was what my sister (a cis-woman) kept saying until she went to the hospital and almost died.
Look at your height and weight in a chart (http://ygraph.com/chart/589 (http://ygraph.com/chart/589)), if you are 5 11 and weight 110 lb, you know what you are anorexic, seek help
She's like my age; that chart's for people who are over their mid-twenties. Just a little concerned because you just described my weight and height. >.< (close to it, I'm 5'10 1/2" and 115 pounds) I feel fine though lol.
Quote from: AlexxToDream on January 08, 2013, 11:56:48 AM
@LilDevilofPrada You might simply have a pertruding rib cage which means your ribcage opens at the bottom more upwards at a diagonal than at a horizontal opening like an average ribcage. It is not unheard of and usually is only visible in slim people or (from what you described above) from people that are loosing weight rapidly (you start to loose weight from top of your thorac/upper abdominal region first). I personally would not be alarmed by it as it sounds like you are still eating healthy.
Well if you go to the do i pass thread you can see I have a skinny figure so what you have suggested makes sense.
It is always a good idea to make sure you are getting enough calories for you. My ribs stick out much in the way you have described yours. But, I eat a lot of food and am at a healthy weight. In order to maintain my weight I need about 1500-1800 calories a day.
Do your hip bones stick out? Mine do a little but not too much.
Quote from: LilDevilOfPrada on January 08, 2013, 12:06:02 PM
Well if you go to the do i pass thread you can see I have a skinny figure so what you have suggested makes sense.
I have same situation. But it's not because I am anorexic. If you tune your body to be healthy, it will know when to eat and when not to eat.
I think there is too much pressure about being too fat or too skinny in the world today. And I think we know that as it applies to us and gender or other things as well. You know if you are being healthy, and that makes you beautiful, because you care for your body despite what the world tells you. Because let's face it, the world really doesn't have a clue.
Quote from: AlexxToDream on January 08, 2013, 12:12:59 PM
I have same situation. But it's not because I am anorexic. If you tune your body to be healthy, it will know when to eat and when not to eat.
I think there is too much pressure about being too fat or too skinny in the world today. And I think we know that as it applies to us and gender or other things as well. You know if you are being healthy, and that makes you beautiful, because you care for your body despite what the world tells you. Because let's face it, the world really doesn't have a clue.
Ok, maybe im just jealous, BUT there is such a thing as too skinny. All our human bodies have similar processes that they undertake to repair, grow, and remain in good condition. Medical science isnt exact for each person, nor does it claim to be. There is far too much pressure, I agree, but nutritionists have a pretty good idea as to what is happening with the chemical processes that occur inside our bodies, and fat plays a very large and important role in those processes. Too little throws off many other processes, like bone/joint repair. Granted, some people have fat cells that stimulate more of the body chemistry per cell than others, so they can be skinny. The problem with just trusting your body is that it is not always optimal, you might eat too little because your leptin receptors are dead, or too much because they are overactive. Its also hard to tell what long term damage your body could be suffering in the short term... Organ damage is common in people who do not eat enough over a long period. To make the claim that the world doesnt have a clue is dangerous, you could be hurting yourself and never even know. Modern nutrition has succeeded in extending lifespans and overall body health for many compared to how the world lived before nutritive standards where set. That is a statistical fact
Quote from: ashrock on January 08, 2013, 12:32:23 PM
Ok, maybe im just jealous, BUT there is such a thing as too skinny. All our human bodies have similar processes that they undertake to repair, grow, and remain in good condition. Medical science isnt exact for each person, nor does it claim to be. There is far too much pressure, I agree, but nutritionists have a pretty good idea as to what is happening with the chemical processes that occur inside our bodies, and fat plays a very large and important role in those processes. Too little throws off many other processes, like bone/joint repair. Granted, some people have fat cells that stimulate more of the body chemistry per cell than others, so they can be skinny. The problem with just trusting your body is that it is not always optimal, you might eat too little because your leptin receptors are dead, or too much because they are overactive. Its also hard to tell what long term damage your body could be suffering in the short term... Organ damage is common in people who do not eat enough over a long period. To make the claim that the world doesnt have a clue is dangerous, you could be hurting yourself and never even know. Modern nutrition has succeeded in extending lifespans and overall body health for many compared to how the world lived before nutritive standards where set. That is a statistical fact
To what I was refering to was the social media and what they have been trying to program us into thinking as what the norm should be. "The world" aka "the media" has very different standards than what is healthy for the human body. And I am not discounting doctors and health specialist, I am simply saying we should pay more attention to our own personal needs and what our body is telling us than what someone who is not a qualified medical professional is telling us that our body is telling us.
Quote from: AlexxToDream on January 08, 2013, 12:37:37 PM
To what I was refering to was the social media and what they have been trying to program us into thinking as what the norm should be. "The world" aka "the media" has very different standards than what is healthy for the human body. And I am not discounting doctors and health specialist, I am simply saying we should pay more attention to our own personal needs and what our body is telling us than what someone who is not a qualified medical professional is telling us that our body is telling us.
Absolutely agree, very well put. Sorry, like I mentioned, Im feeling moderately aggressive today, if it seemed like I was attacking your statement, I kinda was. I apologize... Again though, be careful because our bodies do not always know whats right, the delicate chemistry balance can get all sorts of screwy all too easily, as I have recently found out with my own body.
Quote from: ashrock on January 08, 2013, 01:06:47 PM
Absolutely agree, very well put. Sorry, like I mentioned, Im feeling moderately aggressive today, if it seemed like I was attacking your statement, I kinda was. I apologize... Again though, be careful because our bodies do not always know whats right, the delicate chemistry balance can get all sorts of screwy all too easily, as I have recently found out with my own body.
Oh no you're fine. It's quite good to challenge others statements, it means you are thinking for yourself. And you know what they say, aggressive people make it to the top of the food chain. And yes, I do agree with you there, we should always be careful with what we do to ourselves. Homeostatis is a delicate and complicated balance which is why we must often look to a third party for advice to help us maintain our vessels.
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Quote from: muuu on January 08, 2013, 02:31:27 PM
Anorexia is pretty tough diagnosis, and is actually quite rare (meeting most of the criteria isn't too unusual, but getting that diagnosis is hard). Mostly it's EDNOS, which ofc can be very serious too.
I do recognize that thing about not being hungry, but that was mostly when I was <20 (actually what triggered my hunger was overeating once), though I might have been hungry but just liked it and felt it as normal. If you try to eat more regularly, or attempt to gain a little bit of weight you might start to feel hungry. But, it's perfectly possible to have food difficulties because of physical reasons too.
BMI between 18.5-25 is considered normal weight, but being a little bit below or above isn't exactly that big of a deal. A small frame would probably put your BMI requirements lower and you may just be naturally skinny (i.e your body has a lower optimal bodyweight range).
I did try my best to eat more but that just leads me to feeling ill. So I gave up.