http://prommanow.com/2013/03/05/it-was-bound-to-happen-meet-the-first-known-transgender-mma-fighter/ (http://prommanow.com/2013/03/05/it-was-bound-to-happen-meet-the-first-known-transgender-mma-fighter/)
I am the most die hard mma fan, and I was wondering when this day would come. This is wonderful and will inspire many other transwomen to enter the sport.
This is awesome.
Hopefully they won't take her license too fight away,
I'm sure if her hormone levels are in the right ranges and she's legally on hrt, she should be fine.
But mma is VERY strict with anything concerning hormones, plenty of cis people have been taken out of fights for it.
Even after a doctor had prescribed the hormone legally and it was medically necessary.
Lets cross our fingers.
Here's a word of warning;
If you're going to look up some of her fights on youtube...
TRIGGER WARNING! TRIGGER WARNING!
The comments are very disturbing and disgusting.
I recommend you just watch the video and not even glance at the comments.
TRIGGER WARNING! TRIGGER WARNING!
Anyways
Is there any interview of the girls she's defeated?
I'd be very very interested to know what they think about it.
Quote from: Jayr on March 06, 2013, 12:06:05 AM
TRIGGER WARNING! TRIGGER WARNING!
The comments are very disturbing and disgusting.
I recommend you just watch the video and not even glance at the comments.
TRIGGER WARNING! TRIGGER WARNING!
That's to be expected. Most MMA fans are super macho guys with big egos and small brains. A transwoman is like their anti-Christ.
I love it =) MMA is actually something I enjoy with my mother, while my father busies himself elsewhere.
I'm not into fighting, but good for her! She should be allowed to continue, also I read somewhere that pound for pound women gain more upper body strength than men when they do gain muscle. IDK where i seen that but I'm pretty sure remebering reading it.
I wish all the haters and bigots could open their mind, but sadly it just isn't going to happen, thats why I hope she makes it because if they do allow her to continue, it will throw it all the more in those racist,bigot, poor escuse for human turd's face's!
I support her. She's on a mailing list I'm on it seems. Anyway, She was pretty much outed.
Anyway, she'd like some support from us though:
I have recently had to come to come out publicly as a post operative transsexual woman. I have been a part of this group for years... I need your support. Can you view this article and share it with your friends. You may soon hear about me in the news. Please show your support for me. Like my fan page on facebook, read the article, and watch the video at the bottom. Thank you so much...
http://www.outsports.com/2013/3/5/4068840/fallon-fox-trans-pro-mma-fighter (http://www.outsports.com/2013/3/5/4068840/fallon-fox-trans-pro-mma-fighter)
I see no reason why a transitioned person would not be allowed to compete in professional sports.
Keaira:
Thank you for the link!
JamieD:
The problem isn't if she will be allowed to fight or not. MMA is unlike any other sport. The commit will most likely let her fight. That's not the problem. MMA fighters choose who they want to fight, or at least have a say in it. Fighters have to accept a fight. The problem here is Fox might have a bit of trouble finding girls willing to brawl against her. So even if the committee 100% allows her, opponents have every right to refuse a fight for any reason what so ever. An MMA fighter that can't find an opponent is not good news. Hopefully other girls won't dismiss her as a potential opponent.
Quote from: Jayr on March 06, 2013, 03:55:41 AM
Keaira:
Thank you for the link!
JamieD:
The problem isn't if she will be allowed to fight or not. MMA is unlike any other sport. The commit will most likely let her fight. That's not the problem. MMA fighters choose who they want to fight, or at least have a say in it. Fighters have to accept a fight. The problem here is Fox might have a bit of trouble finding girls willing to brawl against her. So even if the committee 100% allows her, opponents have every right to refuse a fight for any reason what so ever. An MMA fighter that can't find an opponent is not good news. Hopefully other girls won't dismiss her as a potential opponent.
A true warrior accepts a challenge whether percieved or not. In any case I find its usually men that are the ones getting butt hurt in these transwomen in sports situations.
WOW what a women! Wouldn't like to upset her.
I will have to show a friend of mine that trains MMA for cheap for the local people, $2 a session. Plus the post ladie helps teach(3rd dan Blackbelt).
I think she should be allowed to compete, she is a women after all!
This is something that my family is training in, look out when I come out!
well, I'm p****ed off! I swear, the people you come across on Facebook can be mind blowingly ignorant.
https://www.facebook.com/FallonFoxofficial/info (https://www.facebook.com/FallonFoxofficial/info)
Quote from: Keaira on March 06, 2013, 05:40:16 AM
well, I'm p****ed off! I swear, the people you come across on Facebook can be mind blowingly ignorant.
https://www.facebook.com/FallonFoxofficial/info (https://www.facebook.com/FallonFoxofficial/info)
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www.facebook.com/FallonFoxofficial (http://www.facebook.com/FallonFoxofficial) Sorry, the other link didnt work.
Heck yeah good for her!
I was actually just thinking about this last week. I would get in the ring. I've always been a fighter. I haven't been in many fights but the ones I've been in I was always on the winning side. I looked into joining "the lab" here in Phoenix about a year and a half ago when I was a boy.
I have mixed feelings on this. I have been on HRT for over two years and still have significant muscle and I don't work out. I think it would be incredibly hard for me to find a cis female that could take me in hand to hand. I could hit harder and take a much harder hit. It wouldn't be a fair fight....
I don't know if this sort of thing really helps our cause....
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Quote from: girl you look fierce on March 07, 2013, 05:01:46 AM
Sorry I don't think it's fair to pit the average MTF against women.. totally different physical development in most cases, what are ya gonna do?
This
I mean on one hand it's great to see transgender representation in the sport (considering how I love MMA), but in my opinion I don't think it's fair to put an MtF against a cisgendered woman. I know HRT changes the body....but that would be like Shane Carwin announcing that he (or in this case-she) is transgender, takes HRT for a couple of years and demands to fight against women. That would be an unfair advantage considering bone structure, etc. There are some things that just can't go away with HRT/surgery/etc.
I'm not knocking Fallon and if the officials say she can fight, then she can. This is just my opinion
Quote from: JessicaH on March 07, 2013, 05:25:21 AM
I have mixed feelings on this. I have been on HRT for over two years and still have significant muscle and I don't work out. I think it would be incredibly hard for me to find a cis female that could take me in hand to hand. I could hit harder and take a much harder hit. It wouldn't be a fair fight....
I don't know if this sort of thing really helps our cause....
I'm highly skeptical.
It's a bit like a cis-woman who has been on anabolic steroids since puberty, building muscle and strengthening bone structure and then deciding to go clean in the last couple of years and then competing in the Olympics. There's no way she wouldn't have an unfair advantage.
Quote from: girl you look fierce on March 07, 2013, 05:01:46 AM
Umm, has that happened? What? Even Caster Semenya got in a whole ton of controversy for being an AIS woman...
Sorry I don't think it's fair to pit the average MTF against women.. totally different physical development in most cases, what are ya gonna do? I would think that's an uncomfortable position to put yourself in as an mtf too...
There is no such thing as fairness in sports. You can try to get close but it's never going to happen. For example two football teams have the same number of players but each player has their own strengths and weaknesses. If sports was suppose to be fair then the scrawny kid wouldn't always be picked last.
Fighters are always interested in proving themselves, if they weren't...well...they'd do something less competitive. If I was a cis woman fighter i'd have no problem fighting a trans woman even if I thought she had an advantage perceived or not because it would be a chance to prove my strength. Since when have cis women been afraid to work hard to prove themselves? What about trans women?
Quote from: girl you look fierce on March 07, 2013, 12:10:55 PM
Honestly idc about sports and I don't get them, especially MMA... it doesn't bother me that it's unfair for the record, just saying, everyone's gonna know it's unfair... If women didn't want to be on a somewhat level playing field with their opponents they wouldn't be playing in a women's division in the first place.
Kind of a no-win situation IMO... then Fallon Fox can never accomplish anything without people whispering "born male," and everyone googles and sees pictures of a buff, shirtless guy and rolls their eyes. Cause they already think MTFs are all hypermasculine anyway ::)
I don't care about sports either, they are boring to me. I'm just saying that these girls trans or not are competitive and aren't going to back down because its not totally fair or some bigot gives them crap for being born male bodied.
Do I think there's an advantage? Yes, in some way.
Bone doesn't change on HRT, and bone thickness is a big determining factor in mma since the goal is to knock each other out.
Thicker bones in the face, harder to be knocked out. Thicker bones in the hand, harder your punch(even with the gloves.)
Well whether it's fair or not doesn't matter because
If an opponent doesn't want to fight her because of it, they can refuse the fight.
If an opponent still think they can take her, they can accept the fight.
The only thing I'm not okay with, is the fact that they are saying she should hide her medical history from her future opponents.
I think they should be notified, and after make the decision too fight or not.
That's my opinion. She should be allowed to fight, but her opponents should be told.
Ohhhhh I just read something very interesting in the comments on her facebook.
If you have two people of equal weight and one has heavier bones, it means that person must also have less lean muscle mass and is therefore weaker. She's actually at a disadvantage against other women in her weight class...and that's what makes her such a badass.
So is she at an advantage? Or disadvantage?
Too complicated for me XD
She should just fight lol
Quote from: Malachite on March 07, 2013, 07:14:32 AM
I mean on one hand it's great to see transgender representation in the sport (considering how I love MMA), but in my opinion I don't think it's fair to put an MtF against a cisgendered woman. I know HRT changes the body....but that would be like Shane Carwin announcing that he (or in this case-she) is transgender, takes HRT for a couple of years and demands to fight against women. That would be an unfair advantage considering bone structure, etc. There are some things that just can't go away with HRT/surgery/etc.
I'm not knocking Fallon and if the officials say she can fight, then she can. This is just my opinion
I'm sorry to say that I do agree with you and cannot support Fox. I support reasonable things to advance the rights of this community (like Jenna Talackova entering Miss Universe), but not when the safety of others can potentially be compromised (a worry some people have raised out there) let alone any sense of justice.
Supporting causes like these can also bring on backlash. For example, most of the comments even on gay sites do not support Fox. In fact, it is bringing out the worst in people, where they are calling us 'men' because we have a different body structure, which is something that can usually be de-emphasized in favour of our identities, but simply cannot be ignored in this very case. In conclusion, in my opinion, her push to be included can and has brought backlash to our community.
I want everyone to know that not all of our community is behind this controversial push. I totally support any cis-female's decision not to fight her. After all, it is only reasonable if it's because they don't feel it's fair or safe.
Quote from: Trans Truth on March 07, 2013, 10:50:51 PM
I'm sorry to say that I do agree with you and cannot support Fox. I support reasonable things to advance the rights of this community (like Jenna Talackova entering Miss Universe), but not when the safety of others can potentially be compromised (in my opinion) let alone any sense of justice.
Supporting causes like these can also bring on backlash. For example, most of the comments even on gay sites do not support Fox. In fact, it is bringing out the worst in people, where they are calling us 'men' because we have a different body structure, which is something that can usually be de-emphasized in favour of our identities, but simply cannot be ignored in this very case. In conclusion, in my opinion, her push to be included can and has brought backlash to our community.
I want everyone to know that not all of our community is behind this controversial push. I totally support any cis-female's decision not to fight her. After all, it is only reasonable.
Sorry but as a trans woman and a feminist I have to call you out. Since when have we backed down because of backlash? In case you haven't noticed, we are controversy incarnate. We will be critized harder than other people simply because of what we are.
They are calling us 'men' because they are uneducateded bigots and it has nothing to do with the situation with the fairness of Fox fighting. Cis straights and gays are just as likely to blindely despise us. So what makes this less reasonable than a miss universe pageant? Because its not a stereotypical feminine activity? You think Fox is going to hurt tham any more than a buff cis woman beating the crap out of them? These women are fighters they are use to getting hurt. I say bring the backlash because its always a biproduct of progress.
Quote from: MaidofOrleans on March 07, 2013, 11:32:07 PM
I say bring the backlash because its always a biproduct of progress.
I think we are not ready to take that backlash yet. There's currently anti discrimination bills going before the parliament in Canada, Australia and in some US states, and it is bringing some controversy in all these places. Do you want to jeopardize all those things? If these don't get though, many trans people are going to be unemployed, kicked out of various premises, be homeless etc. I think survival is the community's priority at the moment.
Anyway, it is not wise to draw attention to where we are different from cis women so the bigots get another chance at calling us 'men'.
From what I have seen, Fox has very little support in the mainstream straight and gay press, perhaps less than the prisoner who wanted SRS (and I would rather support the prisoner who wants SRS than Fox, for the record). Even in the trans community it is a divisive issue, as you can see on here.
Quote from: Trans Truth on March 08, 2013, 12:07:49 AM
I think we are not ready to take that backlash yet. There's currently anti discrimination bills going before the parliament in Canada, Australia and in some US states, and it is bringing some controversy in all these places. Do you want to jeopardize all those things? If these don't get though, many trans people are going to be unemployed, kicked out of various premises, be homeless etc. I think survival is the community's priority at the moment.
Anyway, it is not wise to draw attention to where we are different from cis women so the bigots get another chance at calling us 'men'.
Notice that Fox has very little support in the mainstream straight and gay press, perhaps less than the prisoner who wanted SRS (and I would rather support the prisoner who wants SRS than Fox, for the record). Even in the trans community it is a divisive issue, as you can see on here.
I like how you ignored everything I said...
Hmmm, this indeed is an interesting one.
Gotta say my partner and I love nothing more on a Friday night than sipping on red whilst watching 2 giant beef-cakes beat the absolute snot out of each other. And here was I thinking we were the only 2 girls to enjoy this fabulous armchair sport! MMA talk @ Susans - who would have thought ;)
Anyway's back on topic, have any of you seen Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos? if not then you need to take a look and tell me if you still think this wouldn't be a fair bout against a Trans-Woman competitor.
Here in Oz, Roller Derby has become rather massive and I know for fact there are heaps of Trans girls who compete professionally in this.
So far as contact sport goes Roller Derby is pretty er contact I would say. (and I haven't heard any complaints thus far)
There needs to be and will always be pioneers in everything that us trans people will do for the first time, whether it be sport or some other largely Cis dominated activity, at first everyone will cry and crack a general sad, but then through media exposure and education it slowly becomes acceptable and then the norm, and of coarse all those whiny little sheeps of the world who cried will once again be happy, only to soon find something else and new to sniff about.
The more of us everywhere the better for us all.
Jay-Bird
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Making Sports Fair For Transgendered Athletes: http://jezebel.com/5656062/making-sports-fair-for-transgender-athletes (http://jezebel.com/5656062/making-sports-fair-for-transgender-athletes)
I think it's quite appalling that there's such a kerfuffle over perceived genders in women's sports. Just consider the really hurtful commentary and humiliating scrutiny Emily Mauresmo and Caster Semenya have had to endure. Often the post event comments from other competitors just seem like sour grapes.
Quote from: Jay-Bird on March 08, 2013, 12:29:09 AM
Anyway's back on topic, have any of you seen Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos? if not then you need to take a look and tell me if you still think this wouldn't be a fair bout against a Trans-Woman competitor.
This is the exact reason I think they should just let her fight.
Cyborg is a BEAST!!!
Christine "Cyborg" Santos was also suspended for anabolic steroid use... http://www.mmamania.com/2012/1/6/2688267/cristiane-cyborg-santos-tests-positive-for-steroids-license-suspended (http://www.mmamania.com/2012/1/6/2688267/cristiane-cyborg-santos-tests-positive-for-steroids-license-suspended)
Quote from: MaidofOrleans on March 06, 2013, 01:42:19 AM
That's to be expected. Most MMA fans are super macho guys with big egos and small brains. A transwoman is like their anti-Christ.
Hahahaha back when I would hang out with this group of friends who were all super mach and didn't like me much (except my best friend and his brother; they liked me) but anyhoo, I had to sit through these MMA parties and I swear I felt like I was being tortured. If it wasn't for the alcohol, I wouldn't have been able to take it. I can only imagine those guys comments over this and I'm sure they'd use the word "it." like she is monster clown hanging out in sewers and is actually a giant spider luring kids to their doom. Come to think of it, isn't that what macho guys think of trans women? It's just so boring at least with boxing people get punched a lot which is entertaining in that primal sort of way.
Being as someone that has sparred with women and men when I was a teen training in boxing and muay-thai. Some of you are making me laugh, bone density is trivial to a fighter. Especially to those that know what they're doing. Secondly what about those of us that started transition at a young age. Where hrt has widened our pelvises and have a skeletal structure akin to a cis woman. Should we be denied as well to compete in sports? I'm so happy Fox is making headway for those of us that enjoy the ring. There's been a couple of trans-women in the muay-thai circuit. It's awesome to finally see a fellow trans female in MMA. It gives me hope because I want to fight one day as well. However my case will be a lot different. I feel like any kind of bad rep fox is getting is because of her big physique. In regards to my body structure no one will be able to say I have an advantage. Because of my frame that mirrors cis females, from my arms to my hips.
I thought one of my dreams was crushed when I began transition. That I would never be able to compete but I was wrong thankfully. What's funny is that I mostly trained with women a lot because of my physique. This was way before I started my transition too. It all makes sense now though :laugh:
Quote from: JessicaH on March 08, 2013, 01:53:12 PM
Christine "Cyborg" Santos was also suspended for anabolic steroid use... http://www.mmamania.com/2012/1/6/2688267/cristiane-cyborg-santos-tests-positive-for-steroids-license-suspended (http://www.mmamania.com/2012/1/6/2688267/cristiane-cyborg-santos-tests-positive-for-steroids-license-suspended)
Had no idea. Wow!
I wonder if she was on steroids when she fought Gina..I remember watching the fight, almost cried when Gina lost.
It was such an unfair defeat as well.(People that saw the fight know what I'm talking about.)
But your basing this off of complete masculinization and then getting on hrt right? Which I can understand to an extent. However like I asked in my previous post, what about those of us that weren't hit by such masculinization completely? And your point about faster reflexes, spatial reasoning, and depth perception is fallible. Women in recent studies have proven otherwise and to be equal.
I get your sentiment about combat sports and sports in general but different strokes for different folks ya kno
Quote from: TessaM on March 09, 2013, 09:11:03 AM
HEY GUESS WHAT EVERYONE?
I was watching CNN just now. The reporter was the typical sort I was Expecting... her internalized transphobia was showing through her choice of words. She tried to "lead on" people she was interviewing "Do you think it was an advatage being a man?" -question that she was actually asked...
HOWEVER
They questioned the woman she fought. Ericka... something or other for a last name. Not really the brightest light, but shes good at what she does, fighting. She was accompanied by her manager.
Reporter asks leading like questions (am I on CNN or the O'reilly factor?). "Do you think it was unfair for her not to disclose?" "Are you going to be challenging this loss on your record?"
For the first question she said "No." Manager bumps in, says no I think that this is something that should personally be disclosed before a fight so we can all know what were getting into. Fair enough.
Now, is she going to challenge the ruling. Yes, BECAUSE... the ref made a bad call. She was not knocked out, but ruled out or wtv the rule is in MMA. This has nothing to do with her being trans.
SHE EXPLICITLY STATED SHE WANTED A REMATCH! Her manager does not have a problem with this at all.
So, all the "expert" doctors, people who she has DEFEATED in fights, and even managers of those defeated fighters do not mind her fighting against other women. Another famous (cant remember her name) female MMA fighter says she would fight Fallon no problem.
So... the only problem is (not surprisingly) the transphobic bigots who probably would have scoffed and J. Robinson going to his first at bat. Or at the very thought of a female president. Oh well, we need to get over this hump now, and eventually when Fallon is a crazy cat lady grandma we can all laugh about the stir she created.
Like I said, these women are fighters and competitors, they crave challenge and have a deeper understanding between each other than what genitals each was born with. Just like other stories of trans women in sports its always the outside bigots on the sidelines crying rivers and flinging insults.
Quote from: MaidofOrleans on March 09, 2013, 10:58:00 PM
Like I said, these women are fighters and competitors, they crave challenge and have a deeper understanding between each other than what genitals each was born with. Just like other stories of trans women in sports its always the outside bigots on the sidelines crying rivers and flinging insults.
So if anyone thinks there is some sort of unfair advantage here, it makes us transphobic and a bigot?
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Quote from: JessicaH on March 11, 2013, 03:38:56 AM
So if anyone thinks there is some sort of unfair advantage here, it makes us transphobic and a bigot?
No, just ignorant.
Complaining about fairness in competitive sports is rediculous, no two people are exactly alike, trans or cis, someone's going to have an advantage or disadvantage in some respect.
If you don't like it I can recommend you just watch rock em sock em robots or something.
Reminds me of Nong Toom.
On topic: I never liked the idea of separating leagues into male and female. I always thought that if you're capable, you should be able to compete, regardless of what you are. Always seemed like the whole male league female league things should have been separate, special groups from an all inclusive main one.
Quote from: MaidofOrleans on March 11, 2013, 05:30:10 AM
No, just ignorant.
Complaining about fairness in competitive sports is rediculous, no two people are exactly alike, trans or cis, someone's going to have an advantage or disadvantage in some respect.
If you don't like it I can recommend you just watch rock em sock em robots or something.
I hate to hear that you feel someone is "Ignorant", because they disagree with you.
Quote from: JessicaH on March 17, 2013, 02:06:18 PM
I hate to hear that you feel someone is "Ignorant", because they disagree with you.
ig·no·rant
/ˈignərənt/
Adjective
Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.
Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular: "ignorant of astronomy".
It is ignorance when you say something contrary to blatantly obvious facts.
I just tell like I see it.
If she was a ciswoman and she had the exact same build as she does now then nobody would complain that it's unfair.
Towards all those who are speaking on male structure,let me comment with this.Male structure is based on their hormone correct? Lets take a very tall building for an example.Lets say workers went in and slowly removed the support beams.over time this building would become weaker,more frail-right? of course we all know,this wouldnt happen right away-this would take years before it started to show its now,frail state.the male body is exactly the same way.with male blockers and on the female hormone,the body began's to restructure and lose its physical form.This has nothing to do with bone shape or any such.there are MANY ciswoman who have the same bone shape,but its all down to hormones and muscle mass.this is like stating that if you are born with a larger jaw,that you should not fight because you have an advantage.Why do you think they require AT LEAST,1 year on female hormones before sending you anything for GRS? (most docs do mind you,not all) this includes blockers.I would advise doing some research on the male hormone,its effects and its changes when lost/changed.As the hormone reshapes her completely into a complete female form,she WILL still out match them,purely by her skill.nothing more.if anything else until then,this will push the ciswoman into training harder and making their selves better fighters.and they will persue her as a worthy opponent.
Quote from: girl you look fierce on March 09, 2013, 02:43:34 AM
I'm not the public but the public is never just gonna be like "yeah ok it doesn't matter.")
i totally agree that the public at large will always make a big deal out of it for the foreseeable future. i mean all it takes is one loud mouth and the media will focus on it no matter what.
I have a question. Has she ever lost a match before?
Couple points on this lets look at the perceived advantage. bone density and weight varys from person to person regardless of birth gender. more weight equals more energy produced from muscle to achieve punching velocity. if she has female muscle mass but male bone density she will punch at a slower velocity period. now lets look at the force of that punch Velocity * mass if Cis female punches at say a speed of 4 but has a density of 3 and the trans female has a punching speed of 3 but a bone density of 4 they both punch with a force of 12 period. now in realistic measurements the variation is even less minute becuase For the RECORD BONE Doesnt CHANGE BUT BONE Density does Hello osteoporosis! also women actually have harder bones than men BTW estrogen hardens the hell out of bones. ohh and guess what when women work out guess what they get nooooooo Testosterone !!! so truth is there especially in this setting is no differance what so ever as long as the two fighters are of the same weight class.
OK, we'll I actually know a bit about mma fighting as I was involved with it personally about 15 or so years ago. I'm 5'7", around 140 (about 120ish then). So I'm not big by any standards. I've stepped into rings with men that outweighed me by upwards of 200 lbs. I mean total beasts. And guess what? I only once lost to someone that had a size/strength advantage. Because I know how to fight. I was trained. And when I lost I didn't make excuses about size or anything, he was just better than me. Now, pre hrt, even though I was small I was strong for my size, which gave me a bit of confidence when facing a Goliath. So ironic that my only other loss ever, came from a guy that fought at 5'2" 115. I still remember it was so quick, I rushed for a clench to end it fast, established the clench, and was promptly picked up from a clench(!) And driven shoulder first onto the mat, the fight was called and I went to have my shoulder relocated.
I guess in short, nothing matters in that octagon except awareness and skill. I support her completely because unless she can see the future and know what her opponent will do next, she has no advantage whatsoever.
As long as her opponent does not object, i see no issue with it. In general I have no problem with it because I am not the one getting in the ring with her. I think that if they have a problem fighting Fallon they should say so! The only way for her to fight is if she has opponents. So I support Fallon on her quest.