I am awaiting to get a call from Dr. Cardenas for my Consultation in Guadalajara Mexico for information on Facial Feminization surgery. I have heard good and bad rev iews. I am being positive and optimistic about my decision!!
Can anyone else share their experience with this Doctor?
im one of the many girls who have gone to him and his team. you will have a good experience with them. they take good care of you and if you want more info or pics email me
Thanks so much I have forwarded you my email address. I look forward to receiving a response!
I too have had FFS with Dr Cardenas. Contact me for pictures.
Thanks I have sent you an email. Thanks so much for the reply and any information you can provide!
I only know Tristan who has gone with him, and judging by her results he is one of the best options out there...
I don't know if you guys have heard of Kelly Pierce, she's a porn star and pretty popular. She have had FFS with Dr. Cardenas. If I remembered it correctly, she got forehead contouring, brow lift, and nose job done. And the result was great obviously cause she looks very beautiful now
Quote from: Lexy711 on May 17, 2013, 09:32:33 PM
I don't know if you guys have heard of Kelly Pierce, she's a porn star and pretty popular. She have had FFS with Dr. Cardenas. If I remembered it correctly, she got forehead contouring, brow lift, and nose job done. And the result was great obviously cause she looks very beautiful now
Didn't she start hormones in her early teens though?
I can't find many examples of Dr.C's work which is kinda strange, his prices are affordable but that might because he's not as skilled and not as well known as the other FFS surgeons.
Yes she did at age 12. I agree, I can't find many example of his work either but from what I've gathering so far, he's the best option with a very affordable price. If I get everything done in the states I'd be spending around 30k when I can get the same thing with Dr. Cardenas for almost half of that price. Plus I honestly don't feel like I need to see more of his work than I already have because he did FFS for Marion Love and that's all I care about. I see that amazing result as quality over quantity and that's enough said.
I'm considering having my FFS with Dr. Cardenas sometimes in July. If I have more money, I'd choose Dr. Bart or Dr. Chettawut (Thailand) instead but I'm not only flying myself out of the country, my mom and sis are going with me as well. My sis is only 12 so she can't really stay at home by herself so that means I've to spend more money and I don't have more than 20k right now so that's why I picked Dr. Cardenas mainly because for the price, he and his team did a great job. Plus I heard Guadalajara is very nice and safe so that makes me feel a whole lot better with my decision. Anyways, I can't wait til July. I'll keep you guys posted :-)
Quote from: PoisonEnvy on May 18, 2013, 03:49:39 AM
Didn't she start hormones in her early teens though?
I can't find many examples of Dr.C's work which is kinda strange, his prices are affordable but that might because he's not as skilled and not as well known as the other FFS surgeons.
...Or because he's in Mexico. ;)
Quote from: Beth Andrea on May 18, 2013, 09:08:46 AM
...Or because he's in Mexico. ;)
This +1. Hospital, insurance, payroll, and overall operating costs are much lower there.
Why do you think he is not skilled enough? Where do you derive that idea from?
@Lexy - Honestly you look gorgoeus so I can't understand why you would be getting full FFS done but w/e makes you happy girl. I'm on a budget too so i'm either going with Dr. Cardenas or Dr. Dimaggio. I'm just a little scared to have someone who may not be as skilled in caniofacial surgery as another work on my face. I don't really care if the hospital staff and care is ->-bleeped-<-ty just as long as the surgeon is skilled and not just looking for money.
Good luck with who ever you choose! :p
Quote from: swan on May 18, 2013, 08:02:04 PM
Why do you think he is not skilled enough? Where do you derive that idea from?
Just from what i've heard from a few people and the girls at FFS support who don't think highly of his work. Also it's strange that there arent many examples of his work. There's a pdf at FFS support group with a few before & afters from him and they look rather odd and not natural. While a friend of mine had her forehead and nose done recently and the before & after is very impressive at only a week post-op.
Link for the FFS support group to which you refer?
Quote from: PoisonEnvy on May 18, 2013, 10:15:41 PM
@Lexy - Honestly you look gorgoeus so I can't understand why you would be getting full FFS done but w/e makes you happy girl. I'm on a budget too so i'm either going with Dr. Cardenas or Dr. Dimaggio. I'm just a little scared to have someone who may not be as skilled in caniofacial surgery as another work on my face. I don't really care if the hospital staff and care is ->-bleeped-<-ty just as long as the surgeon is skilled and not just looking for money.
Good luck with who ever you choose! :p
Well thank you for your compliment. Girl I look gorgeous mainly because of makeup. I'm just very good at it. I don't look that pretty and feminine without makeup on. You can't really see my brow bossing in the pic but in person it's pretty bad so I need a forehead contouring. Plus I've a very square jawline, again you can't really see in the pic because of the angle so the jawline contouring procedure is gonna be on the list. I hate my brow cause it's not as high as in female, so I definitely need a brow lift. Also, my nostrils are big so I definitely need a rhinoplasty. I'm also getting cheek implants cause I want them high cheek bones, trust me it does make a difference and will compliment your overall facial features/contour a lot. So I'm pretty much getting almost everything except lip lift and trachea shave. I'm already super passable but my goal for FFS is to look beautiful and feminine naturally without any makeup... By the way, do you have the quote from Dr. Dimaggio?
QuoteJust from what i've heard from a few people and the girls at FFS support who don't think highly of his work. Also it's strange that there arent many examples of his work. There's a pdf at FFS support group with a few before & afters from him and they look rather odd and not natural. While a friend of mine had her forehead and nose done recently and the before & after is very impressive at only a week post-op.
Who did your friend FFS? It'd be nice if you could share the before-and-after.
Yeah I know that feel girl, i'm pretty good with makeup but god I hate applying it. It takes up so much of my time, i'd like for once not to worry about putting my makeup on just to go to the store. I havent gotten a quote from Dimaggio yet but from others who've been to him recently full FFS with him costs around 17-18k. I like his forehead & nose work but the chin/jawline work seems like he doesn't do much, he think he prefers a more natural approach but will be aggressive on a certain area if you tell him. I was thinking about going to him because i'm just getting my forehead and nose done. I have high cheekbones and a nice round face so I kinda lucked out I guess.
My friend went to Cardenas for her forehead + nose and it turned out really good. I don't have her before & after pic's but I can tell you she had a very masculine brow bone. I'm just not sure about this surgeon, his prices are really good but is the skill there? I know he has more exp with natural women then with trans women so idk. If I went to him I'd probably get breast implants or some other body work done too because it's so cheap. :D
Quote from: PoisonEnvy on May 19, 2013, 04:40:02 AM
Yeah I know that feel girl, i'm pretty good with makeup but god I hate applying it. It takes up so much of my time, i'd like for once not to worry about putting my makeup on just to go to the store. I havent gotten a quote from Dimaggio yet but from others who've been to him recently full FFS with him costs around 17-18k. I like his forehead & nose work but the chin/jawline work seems like he doesn't do much, he think he prefers a more natural approach but will be aggressive on a certain area if you tell him. I was thinking about going to him because i'm just getting my forehead and nose done. I have high cheekbones and a nice round face so I kinda lucked out I guess.
My friend went to Cardenas for her forehead + nose and it turned out really good. I don't have her before & after pic's but I can tell you she had a very masculine brow bone. I'm just not sure about this surgeon, his prices are really good but is the skill there? I know he has more exp with natural women then with trans women so idk. If I went to him I'd probably get breast implants or some other body work done too because it's so cheap. :D
I love makeup but I don't wanna spend an hour and a half in front of the mirror for my makeover everytime I wanna go out. That's just ridiculous. Even if I'm doing a natural makeup look, I need to have at least 30-35 mins. I wish I could just leave the house without makeup on or very little makeup like no eyeshadow, no foundation just some mascara and soft liner on top not bottom and still have guys hit on me. I hope that day comes soon Jesus.
Girl I've high cheek bones myself. Dr. Cardenas didn't recommend this procedure because I don't really need it. But I was like since I'm gonna go through all this pain so why not get them cheek implants as well. I want that contour without having to use bronzer so yeah... My main concern is my forehead so I'll make sure to tell Dr. Cardenas to be aggressive when he performs that procedure. A lot of people said good thing about his wife nose job so I'm not too worry about that.
If you think your friend's FFS result with Dr. Cardenas was good then why are you still doubting his skills? You know how your friend looks before and after so you should be able to be the judge ma'am. Like I showed a lot of my friends' Tristan before and after pic and they were all WOW so I've faith in Dr. Cardenas
I think he is a good choice :)
What is your surgery date?
He does do good work. I have tried to get about 10 people I know of to do YouTube videos talking about this subject but the problem is they don't want people to know they had ffs or want to be completely stealth and feel this will hurt there chance at that. It's whatever I know 7 of them are on this site and will see the post, but I just think it sucks not many people who go to him are willing to talk about especially considering how much their facial appearance improved from the ffs
Quote from: Tristan on May 19, 2013, 11:08:14 AM
He does do good work. I have tried to get about 10 people I know of to do YouTube videos talking about this subject but the problem is they don't want people to know they had ffs or want to be completely stealth and feel this will hurt there chance at that. It's whatever I know 7 of them are on this site and will see the post, but I just think it sucks not many people who go to him are willing to talk about especially considering how much their facial appearance improved from the ffs
Hi Tristan,
Nice to see that you are still hanging in here in spite of all.. :) Reacting to your remark, I must say I find it a bit strange when it is so difficult to find proper before and after photos of any FFS surgeon's work. As it happens, there are only three I know of where it is really easy to see photos, Dr Di Maggio (loads of before and afters on the FFS support forum), Dr Van de Ven (loads of photos on his site along with testimonials and on the FFS support forum), Facial Team (loads of photos on their site but so perfect eg. flawless skin, that I'm just a little bit suspicious about their guarantee about them not being digitally enhanced...).
Strangely, given how long they have been around, it is far harder to find photos of Dr O's , Dr Z's and Dr S's patients, especially recent ones.
I have no idea what to conclude but just wonder why some surgeons seem to have little difficulty getting their patients to post, either in public or in private (FFS Support forum, here...), wheareas for others it is almost mission impossible, Dr's Cardenas & Pimentel in particular.
Warm regards.
Donna
Well from what I saw when I was down there alot came down presenting as male and wanted to come back to a fresh start presenting as female. They seem more into hiding. Like I said I tried to get some of them to do videos or something but so many of them are like I'm scared because it will cause me problems. I don't get it but I don't know it's there right to refuse to be known for going to see him for ffs. I didn't particularly care and its had no effect on my job or me ever getting a job. Also I just try to have people give him a fair shot because he can help and I have seen his work in some of these ninja stealth girls as I will call them. But in the end makes no difference to me. I got my FFS and I'm rocking it for well under 15k with no post op complications . As are those 10 other girls in hiding haha .
Regarding post-FFS "stealth", I've just recently started looking into surgeons...and thinking about the time off work. I don't mind telling the manager "why", but everyone else? imho, that'd just open up the gossip mill "omg, did you see her face?! And she paid how much for that? omg!!"
There's always going to be some a--holes who will actively cut others down for their choices, and whether it comes out good or bad, if they know all the details, that just gives more ammo.
Even though I'm pretty open about myself, when it comes to specific surgeries and outcomes, I'm probably just gonna say, "Well...how does it look?" when asked what I got done.
:)
I understand the need to keep it all secret. It just seems so many people I have been able to meet that are going down there or have gone to Mexico want to just get the surgery keep it all under wraps. Idk why so many do that but yet alot of the young girls that go to the guy in Beverly Hills are so open?
Quote from: Tristan on May 19, 2013, 03:02:16 PM
I understand the need to keep it all secret. It just seems so many people I have been able to meet that are going down there or have gone to Mexico want to just get the surgery keep it all under wraps. Idk why so many do that but yet alot of the young girls that go to the guy in Beverly Hills are so open?
Which one in Beverly Hills? Mayer or Alter? Both are uber-pricey... I haven't seen results from either in-person though.
I'm under the impression Beverly Hills is its own planet, where "normal" rules for private info don't apply...probably because the media and other nosey types are so prevalent, there's no choice but to be open and direct, the better to control information/rumors.
Of course, I could be wrong.
In LA there is no difference between seeing a hairdresser or a cosmetic surgeon. Regarding Dr Mayer is a very good doctor I have had a procedure done by him and I am very pleased with everything but I don't think he is a good option for radical changes...
I was talking about Mayer but both of them have young girls who dont mind giving him praise. they tend not to hide. in the end it makes no difference to me where people go and get their FFS. i got mine so for me thats all that counts. all i can do is tell people since im not one of the many who went to him who are now in hiding :P
Hi there!
A word about Dr. Cardenas:
He is a very talented, artful plastic surgeon, that will soften your look...NOT TRANSFORM you completely. That is called the Witness Protection Program! lol! He's starting to do more aggressive surgery to the face..(forehead) now, than he used to. (that is an option) Everyone I've met or seen that has had him for FFS has been very complimentary work! Each person, uniquely different. He's not a 'cookie cutter' surgeon, as some are..where all the girls look similar.
Cost:
If you go to WWW.TransOp.com (http://www.transop.com), he has the pricelist and packages available. It's at LEAST half of what you'll pay in the states, for sure!
Guadalajara is their medical 'capital', where most of the colleges are, etc.. It's not the picture of Tijuana, that may be in your head. :)
If you must have pristine hallways, and the no personality facilities like our hospitals..don't go here.
Overall, the work is good...lodging adequate...and food is GOOD. They pick you up at the airport, get you settled. Then you have a personal meeting with Dr. Cardenas, discussing whats going to happen. You usually spend one evening at the clinic, after surgery. (depending on the severity of the surgery), then back to the recovery center (townhouse) for the remainder of your stay. They take you to any scheduled follow up appointments, and finally back to the airport to get back home.
The only drawback that I found is that the 'aftercare' is very limited, especially after you go back home. So, even though THEY should be telling you everything you need to know about recovery, DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND ASK QUESTIONS! I think they need to improve in this area. ANYTIME you have to travel anywhere for surgery, there can be drawbacks! Possible complications, travel, time off work, etc..
Remember, this is a clinic! Dr. Cardenas trains advanced students that he has hand-picked from the local medical schools in the area(2 per year). They will be assisting with the work, and sometimes do the entire procedure...but under his watchful eye, of course.
Good luck, and happy hunting!
I think it's a bit unfair to say a certain Dr's aren't "As Skilled" just because the prices are cheaper. I'm sure he see's so many girls he makes enough to not have to rob your pockets. You could spend 40k-50k on a well known Dr. and still end up not getting what you paid for. Expensive and popular don't equal better. I say thank god there's someone out there we can go to with out paying a small fortune.
The only thing that seems odd, as others have said, is there aren't more before & afters. For many people that's a major determining factor in who you choose. After all results are what people are seeking. Not many people will be convinced if they don't see the product before they buy.
As far as these super stealth girls Tristan mention I think it's crazy. I mean it's everyone's right not to put themselves out there but it has to be more outside the 7 she mentioned that's cool with showing before & afters. I for one would like to see them.
Quote from: MsAlly on May 20, 2013, 09:48:08 AM
Remember, this is a clinic! Dr. Cardenas trains advanced students that he has hand-picked from the local medical schools in the area(2 per year). They will be assisting with the work, and sometimes do the entire procedure...but under his watchful eye, of course.
Ok this kinda scares me, I heard similar stories about Dr. Spiegel having students doing the surgeries while he instructs. I know the only way for them to learn and get exp is to do it first hand but I'd rather it not be on me, if i'm gonna spend lots of money then I want the surgeons who's advertised.
@Giselle - Maybe the "arent as skilled" remarks was a bit much but the before & after examples I saw on FFSsuport from Cardenas didn't look that good infact they looked rather unnatural like they had way to much plastic surgery, could be because they were old like in their 40's-50's idk. However a friend of mine went to him recently and she had a very masculine forehead (type 3) and her after results looked very good. I think regarding cardenas the skill is there but the results are "hit or miss".
To Poison Envy;
If your referring to one specific person that you saw..we all know who she is. I assure you, that that 'plastic' effect that you reference about her is of HER doing! Some people just can't be satisfied with a surgery, and find themselves back for more and more. That would qualify as an addiction.
The 'students' he takes under his wing have already been certified plastic surgeons that are advancing their careers with Dr. Cardenas. He DOES do the work, on most occasions and supervises when others are involved.
You need to do what YOU feel comfortable with. I was very comfortable with Dr. Cardenas, and would recommend him to anyone. I've seen many girls that had FFS with a very expensive 'well known' surgeon where the results were not as good as Dr. Cardenas. You just have to go with who you feel comfortable with, bottom line. Each experience is different.
Good luck with yours.
Dr. Spiegel's results seem to look more consistent. At the very least, I would rather have too little done than to have had too much done in a worst-case scenario.
Then again, I don't need to do too much, and I don't want to look like a different person. His prices are a little on the crazy side, but to consider something less expensive at the possible expense of my appearance is absurd (to me).
Remember they have already completed their five year residency post medical school and are surgeons also they have done the two years for plastic surgery. So by no means are they just starting . Just completing required hours to learns. And the FFS is done by him. Your boob job he might just instruct.
Quote from: MsAlly on May 21, 2013, 07:07:46 AM
To Poison Envy;
If your referring to one specific person that you saw..we all know who she is. I assure you, that that 'plastic' effect that you reference about her is of HER doing! Some people just can't be satisfied with a surgery, and find themselves back for more and more. That would qualify as an addiction.
The 'students' he takes under his wing have already been certified plastic surgeons that are advancing their careers with Dr. Cardenas. He DOES do the work, on most occasions and supervises when others are involved.
You need to do what YOU feel comfortable with. I was very comfortable with Dr. Cardenas, and would recommend him to anyone. I've seen many girls that had FFS with a very expensive 'well known' surgeon where the results were not as good as Dr. Cardenas. You just have to go with who you feel comfortable with, bottom line. Each experience is different.
Good luck with yours.
Yeah that person your talking about I have herd of them and they are still getting surgeries . It's crazy that doctors will still operate on them
It is impossible for a doctor to perform the surgery all on his own. They all have other doctors involved in the team. The main doctor always does the majority of the work especially with private patients. So I don't know where do you see a problem with his assistants. Having assistants is a good thing.
Quote from: swan on May 22, 2013, 12:46:58 AM
The main doctor always does the majority of the work especially with private patients. So I don't know where do you see a problem with his assistants. Having assistants is a good thing.
If that's the case then I have no problem. :P
Hey Tristan! Can you inbox me some before and after pix!! I would love to see some results! Sony9011@yahoo.com
Thank you!!! :)
Sure I will this afternoon
I have gone to dr cardenas twice for facial fem.....I have had a major difference..... first time i went i did my forehead countering scalp advancement with browlift, rhinoplasty, cheek implants , jaw and chin done. Second time I redid my forehead lifted my eyebrows little more had another rhinoplasty , lip lift bucchal fat pad removed and switched out my saline implants to cohesive gel. I am going back to a 3rd facial fem surgery this year. I really love this doctor. He will do what you tell him to do. he take instruction well. However, i dont think his forehead shaving are the best compared to other doctors I went and had it redone and it looks better but i still wish he could been more agressive..... it looked a little lumpy and weird.... i think his weaker area is doing the forehead part whereas his stronger area is noses, chin/jaw/ etc
Yes I went once last year MAJOR improvements i did forehead, rhinoplasty, jaw, chin not to mention orchiectomy. but right now i'm considering a trip back to do cheeks. i dont know why i didnt do that before.... is everyone happy with the cheeks? I feel like it will aid in the overall symmetry of what i had done perhaps so i'm considering it and have sent in some pictures this morning for the doctors opinion. i think maybe cus of the orchi and everything i was only working with a certain amount of capital and just got what i thought most important done first. i feel like after the cheeks i'll be done. or maybe i'm a ADDICTED! lol jk
you never know you could be addicted? haha
but yeah i was so against cheek implants as i thought they would be over the top. but after getting them i found out that it was such a good move. i mean people complement me on them all the time. ,"what nice cheek bones you have." and also the nose is the other big one
Any word on how well his Type 3 Forhead recontouring ends up? Really considering the package H option on his pricing list. The money I could potentially save could go towards other proceedures I'd like to get like cosmetic dentistry and maybe vocal surgery.
Quote from: jamielikesyou on June 30, 2013, 08:05:15 AM
Any word on how well his Type 3 Forhead recontouring ends up? Really considering the package H option on his pricing list. The money I could potentially save could go towards other proceedures I'd like to get like cosmetic dentistry and maybe vocal surgery.
i wish i could tell you? but to be honest my psychiatrist looked at all my paperwork for me and i just saw people down there before and after. i think two of them told me excatly what they had done but i was pretty high at the time on pain meds ???
Hey Tristan did you just get the forehead recontouring? Or you also get the forehead remodeling?
Quote from: Lexy711 on July 01, 2013, 05:16:55 AM
Hey Tristan did you just get the forehead recontouring? Or you also get the forehead remodeling?
Um Im really not sure to be a 100% honest. I think only the first though. I don't think he did the second one
I want that curvature on the forehead so I think I need to get both based on the description on the website. Hopefully I'm not Type 3 haha
He will tell you for sure. He is good at looking at you now and seeing what he can do to not onlyake you pass but to also be attractive. Me and others owe that man alot ;)
Well it looks like I'm going over there on the 25th, I'm so freaking nervous oh Lord...
Quote from: Lexy711 on July 01, 2013, 04:59:22 PM
Well it looks like I'm going over there on the 25th, I'm so freaking nervous oh Lord...
the 25th of this month? yay. Lexy thats good news. im sure your going to turn out great and be happy with your results and such. just remember not to freat put right after surgery when your all swollen. i know i saw myself in the mirror and was high as a kite. i started reacting the final scene to rocky 1. haha. i even took pictures. but they will give you those light treatments that really help with the swelling. and by week 5-8 normally passing as a male is no more possible. your going to love it
Quote from: Lexy711 on July 01, 2013, 01:10:30 PM
I want that curvature on the forehead so I think I need to get both based on the description on the website. Hopefully I'm not Type 3 haha
What is "Type 3"?
Awesome news Lexy! Yeah you are in good hands so don't fret. Your life will change for the better and you have a good starting point so it'll be easy breezy. I'm trying to get an estimate right now for cheeks and plan a trip to go down either this summer or fall.
Quote from: Beth Andrea on July 02, 2013, 07:38:42 AM
What is "Type 3"?
Read this:
http://femmesurgery.com/facial-feminization/forehead-recontouring.html (http://femmesurgery.com/facial-feminization/forehead-recontouring.html)
Quote from: Beth Andrea on July 02, 2013, 07:38:42 AM
What is "Type 3"?
Basically it means you have a very prominent male brow ridge. Type I & II are less prominent and most usually can be changed thru deburring (sanding down the bone). Also Type III requires more work to change. The frontal sinus bone is removed, sanded down, then reattached.
Quote from: Jamie D on July 03, 2013, 08:16:35 PM
Read this:
http://femmesurgery.com/facial-feminization/forehead-recontouring.html (http://femmesurgery.com/facial-feminization/forehead-recontouring.html)
Thank you. I have been told (by Dr Cardenas via Tyler) that I have a "Type 3"...I also have a booklet from Dr. Z who discourages the bone removal process.
Of course, any such surgery would be a voluntary thing, I could choose to accept a lesser result with a lesser procedure...but dayum that's a heckuva thing, to essentially remove the forehead, reshape the bone, and then re-install it. :o
I can only imagine the difficulty in recovery... :(
yeah to my understanding he shaves it down? i know my forehead area feels all smooth like. and the recovery was not that bad. i liked the rocky pics i took of myself one day post op. i looked so funny. im a sweller but others seem to have more of a graceful first 72 hours. i would have been a little jealous had i not been so happy high as a kite ;)
Quote from: Tristan on July 03, 2013, 10:34:29 PM
yeah to my understanding he shaves it down? i know my forehead area feels all smooth like. and the recovery was not that bad. i liked the rocky pics i took of myself one day post op. i looked so funny. im a sweller but others seem to have more of a graceful first 72 hours. i would have been a little jealous had i not been so happy high as a kite ;)
So were you a "type 3"?
Idk? Probably not since I started spiro so early but I can't really say? I just know he did do some work up there for me too and it turned out great. I actually got a complement once from someone I was snuggling with and brushing my head on them about how smooth and soft my forehead is. A weird but nice complement :)
Tristan has quite prominent brow bossing before FFS but I don't think she was Type 3 though. Type 3 is usually for very square and wide forehead, someone with male pattern baldness and very prominent brow bossing... So someone who has forehead like Beth is definitely Type 3
I finally get to change my profile pic on here. It's been forever lol. Can't wait to have some cheek implants on my face and that brow lift :-)
Quote from: Lexy711 on July 04, 2013, 08:51:49 AM
Tristan has quite prominent brow bossing before FFS but I don't think she was Type 3 though. Type 3 is usually for very square and wide forehead, someone with male pattern baldness and very prominent brow bossing... So someone who has forehead like Beth is definitely Type 3
I finally get to change my profile pic on here. It's been forever lol. Can't wait to have some cheek implants on my face and that brow lift :-)
Ok, thanks..but bummer. Now I have to psych myself up for that...LOL
Exposing the brain during surgery, more recovery time/pain, possible permanent sinus drip...does anyone know someone who had the type 3? How'd it turn out?
Quote from: Lexy711 on July 04, 2013, 08:51:49 AM
Tristan has quite prominent brow bossing before FFS but I don't think she was Type 3 though. Type 3 is usually for very square and wide forehead, someone with male pattern baldness and very prominent brow bossing... So someone who has forehead like Beth is definitely Type 3
I finally get to change my profile pic on here. It's been forever lol. Can't wait to have some cheek implants on my face and that brow lift :-)
Yeah what Lexi said. Haha. All I know is when I dr transitioned for that half a year and put on 40 pounds and shaved my head I passed as a guy well. And I think my head was looking quite masculine and they were still able to make my face more feminine. I think he will with both of you as well
I have seen enough before and afters to be convinced
And I'm going to be a Cardenas girl....in four months!!!!
And yes Tristan was a type 2 .
For myself I was told by cardenasa him self
Forhead contouring with eyebrow life and forehead
Remodelling with hair line advancement
And if the man is a god with reconstruction. He is good with.
Recontourijg and remodeling
What I'm really interested in is how well he trach shaves
I think you will be pleased with the results he and his team dishes out.
Quote from: Beth Andrea on July 04, 2013, 09:00:53 AMExposing the brain during surgery...
Beth, I'm pretty sure that the brain isn't exposed by the Type 3 procedure. There is a hollow sinus chamber behind the forehead, and the back of that chamber is bone, which completely protects the brain tissue. AFAIK, only the sinus tissue is exposed...
Quote from: newgrrrl on July 08, 2013, 09:17:44 PM
Beth, I'm pretty sure that the brain isn't exposed by the Type 3 procedure. There is a hollow sinus chamber behind the forehead, and the back of that chamber is bone, which completely protects the brain tissue. AFAIK, only the sinus tissue is exposed...
Thank you! Hopefully that's what it is... ???
how is his wife nose job ?
Mine will be revision.
She's good with it. She will sculpt you something nice
his wife is a genius with noses, period.
Quote from: Tristan on July 17, 2013, 08:04:33 PM
She's good with it. She will sculpt you something nice
Hey Tristan, when Dr. Cardenas did your brow lift? Did you can experience less bushy eyebrows and your eyebrows are thinner?
You know how genetic girls has super thin eyebrows, I'm always jealous of that but I wasn't sure if the brow lift would take care of that problem cause I have pretty bushy and thick eyebrows lmao
hello, i have march 2014 for ffs surgery date by dr cardenas. i come from germany. unfortunately, you are before / after pictures in the internet. it was very niceto read that many patients have good expierences.
Quote from: Lexy711 on July 26, 2013, 05:17:59 AM
Hey Tristan, when Dr. Cardenas did your brow lift? Did you can experience less bushy eyebrows and your eyebrows are thinner?
You know how genetic girls has super thin eyebrows, I'm always jealous of that but I wasn't sure if the brow lift would take care of that problem cause I have pretty bushy and thick eyebrows lmao
How exactly would a brow lift cause thin eyebrows? Eyebrows are shaped through plucking. If a genetic girl stops plucking, her eyebrows grow as bushy as any genetic male. But there's one difference. Constant plucking of eyebrows causes damage to the hair follicles. This means that over the years, this damage causes eyebrows to thin permanently.
I've had two brow lifts. Eyebrow thickness was never affected, only their position. But my eyebrows are as thin as any genetic girl's, 'cause I pluck.
Quote from: Nicolette on July 26, 2013, 06:11:03 AM
How exactly would a brow lift cause thin eyebrows? Eyebrows are shaped through plucking. If a genetic girl stops plucking, her eyebrows grow as bushy as any genetic male. But there's one difference. Constant plucking of eyebrows causes damage to the hair follicles. This means that over the years, this damage causes eyebrows to thin permanently.
I've had two brow lifts. Eyebrow thickness was never affected, only their position. But my eyebrows are as thin as any genetic girl's, 'cause I pluck.
Girlfriend let me find out lol... That's why I was wondering how those genetic female have such thin and dark eyebrows. If it wasn't the brow lift and them being genetic than I guess most of the girls have thin and dark eyebrows that I'm jealous of probably have had "tatoo eyebrows" done or something.
See pics below as you can see, I love the eyebrows look like that, thin and dark, I don't go for the Kim Kardashian exaggerating eyebrows look lmao
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2F290SQzS.png&hash=6dc0a33810abf1462124c359b019305469b2c073)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2FDaHwHlE.png&hash=5f4b9567446b3742b51a9e61b3e4d4cf7fb510d3)
That's plucking and painting.
Quote from: Beth Andrea on July 27, 2013, 12:48:12 AM
That's plucking and painting.
Girlfriend those pics are examples of "tattoo eyebrows", never heard of that?
Quote from: Lexy711 on July 27, 2013, 12:41:26 AM
Girlfriend let me find out lol... That's why I was wondering how those genetic female have such thin and dark eyebrows. If it wasn't the brow lift and them being genetic than I guess most of the girls have thin and dark eyebrows that I'm jealous of probably have had "tatoo eyebrows" done or something.
See pics below as you can see, I love the eyebrows look like that, thin and dark, I don't go for the Kim Kardashian exaggerating eyebrows look lmao
I can see the attraction. You can get a similar effect with a good eyebrow pencil and maybe a stencil, as long as the eyebrows are plucked into a nice shape. Rest assured, you do not need a browlift or have to be a genetic girl. A beautician will be able to do this for you or suggest something.
Quote from: Lexy711 on July 27, 2013, 02:30:45 AM
Girlfriend those pics are examples of "tattoo eyebrows", never heard of that?
Nope...is that why 2 of the 3 have mis-colored skin right next to the eyebrows?
I was impressed of how the price were creepily low and I was seriously planning to go there till I saw the comment below. I have a Type 3 Forehead that needs to be hidden constantly with fringes and I always get clocked/outed by my straight partners when they suddenly lift my fringes while I do Oral with them, so embarassing. I always need to grab their hand off quickly before they touch my hair in front. ;D Girls who do the best Forehead surgery Type 3 in the world? Name the surgeons please.
Quote from: badkitty13 on June 29, 2013, 04:35:45 PM
However, i dont think his forehead shaving are the best compared to other doctors I went and had it redone and it looks better but i still wish he could been more agressive..... it looked a little lumpy and weird.... i think his weaker area is doing the forehead part whereas his stronger area is noses, chin/jaw/ etc
Tristan:
In fact I also didn't bother to know more about this surgeon when I heard he operated a great ex famous Venezuelian Male Top Model so I thought his price would be extortionate charging $40,000 until I saw this post now.
2. Cheek Bones Reduction surgery lacking
My cheek bones are very big prominent and masculine, I need to use fillers to fix it always. It's the only facial surgery that's lacking in his field of FFS price list. Does he not do that at all or what?
3. Fear about General Security
I am very paranoid about South American countries as Mexico, Colombia, Venezuela & Brazil. I always get the idea that as soon as I step out the airport a fake taxi is gonna bring me somewhere to mug me brutally and take all my money I worked so hard and saved for FFS, kidnap/sequestrate me and worst kill me. How is the security like in Mexico Tristan, did you feel safe? Who fetched you from the Airport? Does Carnedas provide his own transport or you need to take a taxi?
Quote from: Evolving Beauty on July 27, 2013, 09:56:56 AM
I was impressed of how the price were creepily low and I was seriously planning to go there till I saw the comment below. I have a Type 3 Forehead that needs to be hidden constantly with fringes and I always get clocked/outed by my straight partners when they suddenly lift my fringes while I do Oral with them, so embarassing. I always need to grab their hand off quickly before they touch my hair in front. ;D Girls who do the best Forehead surgery Type 3 in the world? Name the surgeons please.
Yeah from what I've seen foreheads aren't his strong suit but everything else looks good. You might wanna look into Dr. DiMaggio in Buenos Aires he does really good forehead work and I've seen a lot of type 3 foreheads he's done come out looking beautiful. I'm probably gonna go to him for my forehead and Cardenas later on for my nose because his wife does do beautiful work on noses.
Quote from: PoisonEnvy on July 27, 2013, 04:29:34 PM
Yeah from what I've seen foreheads aren't his strong suit but everything else looks good. You might wanna look into Dr. DiMaggio in Buenos Aires he does really good forehead work and I've seen a lot of type 3 foreheads he's done come out looking beautiful. I'm probably gonna go to him for my forehead and Cardenas later on for my nose because his wife does do beautiful work on noses.
Hey PoisonENvy...thx, what is his official website and how to contact him?
Quote from: PoisonEnvy on July 27, 2013, 04:29:34 PM
Yeah from what I've seen foreheads aren't his strong suit but everything else looks good. You might wanna look into Dr. DiMaggio in Buenos Aires he does really good forehead work and I've seen a lot of type 3 foreheads he's done come out looking beautiful. I'm probably gonna go to him for my forehead and Cardenas later on for my nose because his wife does do beautiful work on noses.
hi, you mean only patients typ 3 foreheads from dr cardenas was not looking good after the surgery?
dr maggio have not a official website or know you more?
Quote from: Evolving Beauty on July 27, 2013, 06:02:25 PM
Hey PoisonENvy...thx, what is his official website and how to contact him?
http://www.t-change.com/en/facial-feminization-surgery.shtml (http://www.t-change.com/en/facial-feminization-surgery.shtml)
Quote from: PoisonEnvy on July 28, 2013, 04:05:07 AM
http://www.t-change.com/en/facial-feminization-surgery.shtml (http://www.t-change.com/en/facial-feminization-surgery.shtml)
Website is Not available, sorry :-(
Quote from: Tina A. on July 28, 2013, 04:02:55 AM
hi, you mean only patients typ 3 foreheads from dr cardenas was not looking good after the surgery?
dr maggio have not a official website or know you more?
http://www.t-change.com/en/facial-feminization-surgery.shtml (http://www.t-change.com/en/facial-feminization-surgery.shtml)
Site works for me.
Quote from: Beth Andrea on July 28, 2013, 11:56:59 AM
http://www.t-change.com/en/facial-feminization-surgery.shtml (http://www.t-change.com/en/facial-feminization-surgery.shtml)
Site works for me.
Thanks, by me too ;-)
Quote from: Tina A. on July 28, 2013, 01:36:46 PM
Thanks, by me too ;-)
It works for me too however I don't see his price for forehead. :-\
I think Dr. di Maggio is more expensive than Dr Cardenas?! Maybe someone has more information? I once got an email sent as a request for prices.
Quote from: Tina A. on July 28, 2013, 02:20:22 PM
I think Dr. di Maggio is more expensive than Dr Cardenas?! Maybe someone has more information? I once got an email sent as a request for prices.
Do you remember price for the entire forehead more or less (scalp advancement, brow lift & brow ridge contouring)?
By Dr Maggio i mean 7000 $ but i not sure. When Dr Maggio answear me i say you the exactly price offer.
dr di maggio have answear me. he have package prices. according to an image analytics for me 18000 $. in the packe things i not need are also here. for that much money i get that too with good doctors in europe. i going to cardenas....the price is good and he is a good doctor with experience. di maggio i can not recommend why the surgery procedes ii not need all was in the package and the price was to high.
hello, Tristan you look gorgeous! I was thinking of become a "Cardenas girl" and stumbled upon your videos. I hope you don't mind if i message you as well for before/after pictures? i really want to see his results esp. the nose/cheek implants.
take care,
Gabriella
Hi everyone! I just recently started researching FFS surgeons, and am very interested in Dr. Cardenas. Even though he seems almost too good to be true price wise, I still feel mostly comfortable with what I've heard. I do have two areas of concern though, and maybe someone who's been to him can help me.
Firstly, I have a feeling I'll need Type III forehead reconstruction, and I didn't see anything on his site or price quote about getting an X-ray to see how thick your skull is in front of your sinuses. If he doesn't look at an X-ray to make sure he won't just break through the front of your head, I don't think I'd go to him.
Secondly, one of the few drawbacks I've heard is that people felt a bit rushed during consultations with Dr. Cardenas. I want to speak to him about specifically how I want my nose, etc to look, and I don't just want the same nose and features he gives everyone else.
If anyone could clear up these concerns, I'd really appreciate it!
I contacted him to ask if I should get FFS or my acne scars taken care of first, he answered with a laundry list of procedures. He didn't answer my simple question and also told me I didn't have loose skin when I can pull it off my face 3 inches in some places!
Seems to me he's got an assembly line operation set up there in his little villa.
Oh and ask him what you'll look like after you've had the operation. He won't be able to tell you, but he'll send you a bunch of his results. The good, the bad, and the ugly. So at least he's honest,or happy to make you look like a puta!
When I ask him about my nose. He didn't tell specific, he just told me it would be improved. I just took leap of faith. Fortunately I like it. He (actually his wife that do the nose) did more than I expected but I'm glad I like the result. For example, I didn't expect he will do alarplasty but he did.
He took time with me when I went to him. But from what I have herd I'm no where near as demanding as some of his other FFS patients who have unrealistic expectations. He spent maybe 10-20 minutes with me and we talked about what kind of natural look I was going for. He was like yes on this, no on that. All in all I think he did a good job and I had fun at the recovery villa
Quote from: eh-lyssa on May 07, 2013, 02:19:42 PM
I too have had FFS with Dr Cardenas. Contact me for pictures.
I cant Pm yet but can you message me please? I'm Having type 3 with Dr. Cardenas In March!
Quote from: Lexy711 on July 27, 2013, 12:41:26 AM
Girlfriend let me find out lol... That's why I was wondering how those genetic female have such thin and dark eyebrows. If it wasn't the brow lift and them being genetic than I guess most of the girls have thin and dark eyebrows that I'm jealous of probably have had "tatoo eyebrows" done or something.
See pics below as you can see, I love the eyebrows look like that, thin and dark, I don't go for the Kim Kardashian exaggerating eyebrows look lmao
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2F290SQzS.png&hash=6dc0a33810abf1462124c359b019305469b2c073)
'Brow wiz' from Anastasia Beverly hills will give you perfect brows <3 but you're beautiful regardless!
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2FDaHwHlE.png&hash=5f4b9567446b3742b51a9e61b3e4d4cf7fb510d3)
Hello ladies !
bringing back an old forum . Does anyone have pictureds they can share of dr cardenas ?
I wil be seeing him for type 3 forehead, rhinoplasy, trachea shave. :)
New and in need of guidance.
I contacted them awhile ago about why there are so few photos and they gave me a weak excuse that is was due to privacy concerns of the patients. I can understand that is the case for some people, but there are other docs that have a generous amount of before an afters.
I had FFS with him too a few years ago thinking of going doing a video on it and maybe seeing if a few other clients of his are willing to do a group video next spring/summer too. we would be Dr C's girls.