I have no great personal opinion on tattoos, beyond that people may not think through the idea as well as they may need to.
I saw this interesting article
http://www.theage.com.au/executive-style/culture/why-did-i-do-tatt-20130506-2j21t.html (http://www.theage.com.au/executive-style/culture/why-did-i-do-tatt-20130506-2j21t.html)
Any comments?
Interesting article
Never want one, never got one so no need to remove it.
I recall an article , goddess know where, in regards to a(USA) man who was very racist, white supremist etc, had a long jail history etc. He fell in love and had a daughter who he adored and wanted life for her. His face was so heavily tattooed, with racist slogans etc, that he couldn't work. He had them burned off by a medical clinic who volunteered their help, but it took years and was agony.
Having had laser for facial hair, I can't believe the agony he went through.
Quote from: kyh on May 11, 2013, 04:03:02 AM
This comment I found very annoying, as I've heard it a trillion times in a trillion different incarnations:
One version that comes to mind is "Sure, it's your right to dress like a woman if you're a man, but don't demand that others tolerate you when you choose to dress in such an inappropriate way."
What's wrong with just allowing others to be themselves, when who they are doesn't hurt anybody else?
Ugh!!!!!!! :(
Very true!
Peoples perception of beauty and fashion change all the time.
I'm interested though in why people get their tat's removed
Quote from: kyh on May 11, 2013, 04:17:20 AM
I think I saw the same documentary as you one time. He ended up becoming more accepting of other races right? Or was it just something he said to garner sympathy and the help of that kind medical clinic volunteer?
From what I recall he changed his viewpoint and didn't want his daughter to be raised as a bigot but as an accepting normal woman. I recall he went through hell to get them burnt off, he was very heavily pigmented with deep dark ink which took many sessions to lighten. Without wishing to offend anyone, his before picture really was quite grotesque.
Like other, never had any desire to get this.
This is why I keep a tattoo idea in my mind for years before actually getting it. I've also made sure to get the few tattoos I do have in places where they can easily be hidden by clothes or hair. ;P
Tattoos can be wonderful, you just have to be smart about what you get. Other than my small Maryland flag tattoo on my wrist, the next tattoo I plan on getting is going to be a sugar skull on my right forearm for my deceased friend, and will be the first really visible tattoo I have (I say that since my wrist tattoo is easily covered by bracelets).
It not only holds cultural meaning for me, but also represents my love for a dear friend of mine who passed at a young age (21). These are the types of tattoos I feel people shouldn't be afraid to get, regardless of their job. This tattoo will be like the closure I never fully received a year and a half ago.
I hear that Wal-Mart's makeup brand Hard Candy makes a concealer (correct me if I'm wrong, I don't know makeup terminology) that works well enough to even conceal tattoo! I'm going to be getting some for myself soon if anyone would like to know how it works on me. ;P
I have friends who have tats. And when we went to school, they were not allowed. Neither were piercings, other than simple posts in the ears. You could tell who had tats, because they all sported some kind of bandage to cover them.
I have a pentagram on my left upper arm. Most never see it. Removals are very painful. More so than the actual tat.
One should seriously think about where they want the tat. Many employers don't wish to see them.
I got 8 tats and if my bosses dont like them they can shove it, best part about my profession is doctors offices fight over me.
Quote from: kyh on May 11, 2013, 04:03:02 AM
This comment I found very annoying, as I've heard it a trillion times in a trillion different incarnations:
QuoteBB, tatoos say, "look at me" and when you go for a job other than panel beating or pulling beers in a grungy pub, people will judge you by your appearance..If you choose to have a snake crawling up your neck or tears tatooed on your face, that is your right, but don't demand everyone in the community to like it too, and hire you for a job where that kind of display is not appropriate.
One version that comes to mind is "Sure, it's your right to dress like a woman if you're a man, but don't demand that others tolerate you when you choose to dress in such an inappropriate way."
What's wrong with just allowing others to be themselves, when who they are doesn't hurt anybody else?
Ugh!!!!!!! :(
Sometimes it's really hard to discern hate and intolerance...but yeah, it's everywhere.
Personally, I've thought about getting a tat symbolizing my TS history (as well as other parts of my history, in time)...but I'm still wondering "why?" Just when I have myself almost convinced, I get sent to a nursing home with a 90yo vet with green and black smudges on his arms...that were once tats, but weren't kept up (and who can blame him? He's OLD and has a lot of reasons to not do upkeep)...and I change my mind.
Ultimately, I don't think I'll get one.
Saturday Night Live Turlington Lower Back Tattoo Remover (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aX5zuoT7cU#)
I have two tattoos. The thing is they are becoming more acceptable, depending on the kind of tattoo you have.
The two I have are both on my right arm, one is always hidden by my shirt sleeve, the other is pretty much in plain sight. I rarely get questioned about it either, so I assume no one really cares anymore. White collar professions are pretty big sticklers but not many other places. Hell I see people at walmart with visible ink -shrugs-
I dunno, my take is if you get a tattoo you end up regretting... well sucks to be that person, because they either have to live with it, try to get it covered by a new tattoo, or have it burned off... Either way it's a pain.
The two I got, don't think I'll ever regret and I'm plotting on a third one for the back of my left leg. Most jobs I've been in make me wear pants anyways (safety issues) so it wouldn't be a big deal.
My take is, people should do what they want, and if it ends up as a mistake, well... in the case of a tattoo, lesson learned.
I haven't any but I've often wore temporary tattoos,as with most things you get what you pay for if you want one go to a reputable tattooist who's registered and does good work.
Quote from: Teela Renee on May 11, 2013, 11:25:46 PM
I got 8 tats and if my bosses dont like them they can shove it, best part about my profession is doctors offices fight over me.
I'm intrigued! what profession are you in may i ask?
As far as tatoo's go, i was thinking for many years to get sleeves done. In a way i wanted to document the different sides to me, the female and masculine on either arm. I felt that by displaying my femininity in the form of a sleeve that i could move on and accept myself as a male with a feminine side.
Well that perception has changed but i still would like sleeves, i find tattoos incredibly sexy on women.
I have considered that if I transition and once my transition is somewhat complete,... Passable?, that I would finally cover up my birthmark on my lower back with one. Yes I am aware that this would a kin to a tramp stamp but on the other hand I've had the mark all my life and I'd like see something else there for once.
I have a friend who does henna and if he's not too freaked out then I'll try covering it up that first to see if I like it or if its just a really bad idea.
Quote from: Bardoux on May 12, 2013, 06:19:32 AM
I'm intrigued! what profession are you in may i ask?
As far as tatoo's go, i was thinking for many years to get sleeves done. In a way i wanted to document the different sides to me, the female and masculine on either arm. I felt that by displaying my femininity in the form of a sleeve that i could move on and accept myself as a male with a feminine side.
Well that perception has changed but i still would like sleeves, i find tattoos incredibly sexy on women.
medical billing and coding
Jamie
That video is hilarious. American comedy can be so witty.
If that were broadcast here, the Daily Mail brigade would be raising the barricades.
Well I have 7 tats. 4 are not easly hiden and are not feminine at all. I got all of them when I was in my 20's and was in complete denile with my female side. Guess you could say I was trying to be this "Bad Ass" man. Now that I have come to accept my true self I kinda wish I could change things but for now I'll just have to live with them. Maybe after I finish all this other stuff thats so very expensive.
I have one tattoo. some say it would be a tramp stamp however its not across my lower back but the middle of my lower back. Its of a nude angel sitting on a pink rose. Its farely large for a first tattoo. Most the time I forget its there inless I look for it in the mirror after the shower. The rose is pink because I love pink roses but have never been givinany so I gave my self one and the nude angel because im a scorpio and its kind of naughty lol and because i love angels.
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I think tattoos are awesome. I have one, my goal is twenty. My Gf has four. I find them really attractive.
Love tattoos. Done well, they are beautiful pieces of very personal art.
But even I, with a couple of tattoos myself (hidden under even a t-shirt, although I'm thinking of getting something small that's on my wrist that will be more visible), question the sanity of anyone who gets tattoos that can't be hidden in regular work clothing. Tattoos on the hands or face are still a big problem for many employers. Why make life harder than it needs to be? A tattoo on the face or hands isn't about art, it's about telling people that you don't give a f**k.
We change genders because we're dysphoric and can't help it. Nobody I know has any form of illness or disorder that requires them to put tattoos on their faces or hands. That's just a bad decision.
Anywhere else though, I'm all in favor. No complaints about tattoos from me, and I think they're especially sexy on people who you don't expect to have them; teachers, senior managers, lawyers, doctors, etc.
Quote from: E-Brennan on May 27, 2013, 09:38:37 AM
Love tattoos. Done well, they are beautiful pieces of very personal art.
But even I, with a couple of tattoos myself (hidden under even a t-shirt, although I'm thinking of getting something small that's on my wrist that will be more visible), question the sanity of anyone who gets tattoos that can't be hidden in regular work clothing. Tattoos on the hands or face are still a big problem for many employers. Why make life harder than it needs to be? A tattoo on the face or hands isn't about art, it's about telling people that you don't give a f**k.
We change genders because we're dysphoric and can't help it. Nobody I know has any form of illness or disorder that requires them to put tattoos on their faces or hands. That's just a bad decision.
Anywhere else though, I'm all in favor. No complaints about tattoos from me, and I think they're especially sexy on people who you don't expect to have them; teachers, senior managers, lawyers, doctors, etc.
That comes down to a matter of opinion. We shouldn't be so quick to judge others just because of some marks they put on their body; they're still the same person they were prior to doing so and deserve the same respect.
Well said, Kyh. I try not to judge anyone for anything. Body art is bad ass, in my opinion. It's not up to us what people want their body to say or represent.
Quote from: Lance on May 27, 2013, 10:54:48 AM
Well said, Kyh. I try not to judge anyone for anything. Body art is bad ass, in my opinion. It's not up to us what people want their body to say or represent.
It totally is! For some people it really is a form of expression. I've seen some cool tattoos on people's faces that I would definitely consider to be art. :)
This is crazy. I went to an upscale strip club (if there can be such a thing) for a friends bachelor party. The girls all had heavy makeup covering up their tats. I asked one of the girls what was up and she said management made them do it. Really? You can take off your clothes and shake your boobs in someones face but can't let them see your tattoos! What a crazy world.
Wowww... not a critical in anyway. LOL
Modified comment:
What I intended to say last night was that the article has a very condescending tone and implies that getting a tattoo makes you an instant idiot. The same thing could be said about transitioning. The same old "You will regret it" and "THERE AAALLLLL GONNA LAUGH AT YOUUUU" shame tactics are beyond disgusting. Yes, people do thing that they will wish they had not but that is part of growing up. And they do things for the wrong reasons but one only understands that through dealing the consequences of their actions. Furthermore, the author of the article assumes that everyone is just as uncreative and short sited as they may have been in their youth. If someone wants to hide their tattoos for a white collar job there are quality products for that(other than ink removal) that are also cost effective and comfortable. Tatt jacket(similar to shooter sleeves but remain cool in hot climates), skin toned make up and skin toned adhesive patches are all viable options and and only require a few strokes of the keyboard.
If this person had any hope of helping anyone they might have dropped the high horse act and tried a bit of civility.
Quote from: kyh on May 27, 2013, 11:04:25 AM
It totally is! For some people it really is a form of expression. I've seen some cool tattoos on people's faces that I would definitely consider to be art. :)
I heart you so hard....
Quote from: WorkerBeast on May 28, 2013, 12:05:32 AM
I heart you so hard....
Hahaha xD How does one respond to such a cute remark? :D
if i ever get a tattoo, it will be a big one, but in a place where it will be covered by a t-shirt. the motif was already decided a long time ago, but i totally don't have the time or money for it right now. i'll also have to see if i need to transition before i try to get any body art.
i'm of the opinion that you shouldn't intentionally get any permanent marks on your body unless you've thought it through enough to know that you won't regret it no matter what kind of situation you get into because of it, or where it might be a problem. if i were to get a tattoo on my hand, i'd first have to make sure i'm prepared to wear a glove on that hand every day at work and maybe also in some other social situations.
at least i already know the social stigma that can come with body art, and that i'd be able to handle it. tattoos may make it harder to get a job, or wear lighter clothing at work, but i've worn earrings in a place where that is considered a sin. that's not much better, really, hearing that my faith isn't strong enough because of this. i'd never take them off just because of other people's opinion, they are an expression of my identity, but it's not like they wanted to understand that this is not because of vanity.
Quote from: Taka on May 28, 2013, 02:14:17 PM
i'm of the opinion that you shouldn't intentionally get any permanent marks on your body unless you've thought it through enough to know that you won't regret it no matter what kind of situation you get into because of it, or where it might be a problem. if i were to get a tattoo on my hand, i'd first have to make sure i'm prepared to wear a glove on that hand every day at work and maybe also in some other social situations.
You can cover tattoos with makeup as well. It's not too difficult, just gotta do it everyday :3
Quote from: kyh on May 28, 2013, 02:39:44 PM
You can cover tattoos with makeup as well. It's not too difficult, just gotta do it everyday :3
too lazy for that. i'd rather be honest about having marks that i can't show in particular settings. i never took out my earrings either, i'd rather take their scorn than pretend to be someone i'm not. i don't have any plans to get a tattoo on my hand though, since i don't feel like having to cover my hands. even the rashes i get from strong sunlight can't make me cover them in summer.
Quote from: kyh on May 28, 2013, 01:07:10 AM
Hahaha xD How does one respond to such a cute remark? :D
LOL, I just really appreciate your take on this.
Quote from: WorkerBeast on May 28, 2013, 04:35:05 PM
LOL, I just really appreciate your take on this.
Haha Idk, tattoos just don't seem like such a big deal to me :D :D
Quote from: kyh on May 27, 2013, 10:27:55 AM
That comes down to a matter of opinion. We shouldn't be so quick to judge others just because of some marks they put on their body; they're still the same person they were prior to doing so and deserve the same respect.
Meh, not entire sure you're right. Of course they're the same person - they're just telling everybody what kind of person that is.
Is there a particular tattoo that
must be located on a face? Not really. The location itself is a broader statement, and that statement is often very clear. In fact, I can't think of any other statement that a facial tattoo is making. (And I'm not talking about a couple of little stars under someone's eyes here - I'm talking about the forehead tattoos, whole neck tattoos, cheeks, scalp tattoos on a shaven head etc.) A facial tattoo is a specific type of tattoo - it's akin to ramming your opinion down someone's throat every time they look at you. It's intrusive. You can't communicate with someone with a facial tattoo without seeing that tattoo and what it represents, both explicitly and implicitly. It goes far beyond mere artwork.
I think they deserve the same respect as anyone else (depending on the associations of the tattoo). Everybody I meet, no matter what, gets the same respect. Whether they get that respect from society as a whole is a different story, because there's plenty of people out there who hold far more conservative attitudes towards these things. I would strongly disagree with any statement that facial tattoos are fine, acceptable, and are just a harmless form of expression that we should all just deal with and ignore. Those types of tattoos often come with actual or implied membership in certain distasteful groups or belief systems (gangs, fringe political movements allied to hate, etc.)
And "don't give a f**k" is fine attitude to have. I have no problems with that, just as long as it's accompanied by a "and I will accept the consequences, including lack of employment, lack of respect from many people, and voluntarily taking an act that is entirely unnecessary but which comes with great downsides" attitude too.
There's far easier ways to express yourself - including more discretely placed tattoos - than forcing others to see your "artwork" every time they look at your face. Nobody needs to fight that battle, and there are dozens of other worthy causes for which you can put your neck on the line if you want to take on society and make a change. Acceptance of facial tattoos is rather low on my list of important issues right now.
I don't know. Google "face tattoo" and tell me how many are good decisions that say positive things about the person. By getting the ink on your face, you're associating with some rather poor company. And while we can't judge a book by its cover, I doubt that anyone would claim that when they Google "face tattoo" that it could really be thousands of pictures of doctors and judges and teachers and activists and charity workers and PTA presidents and police officers and soldiers and librarians and pilots and waiters and professors and accountants and scientists and engineers and social workers and so forth.
It's okay to, er, draw
some lines in society (excuse the wording.) Smoking is bad. Taking heroin is bad. Urinating on the playset in the park is bad. Screaming "f**k off" to old ladies in the street is bad. Tattoos on the face are at least in the same ballpark. Society doesn't accept certain things,
and that's okay! It would be a miserable society if there were no lines! In fact, we have countless laws and regulations and rules and standards to cover just about everything, both written and unwritten, because they are what make society livable, and because that's what people want (even us people here on this site).
We just need to make sure our lines our not drawn to discriminate against or prohibit things that can't be helped (e.g. homosexuality, transgender issues, race, color, ethnicity, national origin, age, gender, disability, health etc.) Nobody is forced to put a tattoo on their face, and by doing so, they willingly assume the consequences of the clear societal dislike for such things.
I could be wrong. But at the very least, anyone claiming that facial tattoos are acceptable needs to put
(* but this is a niche opinion) after their statement.
Quote from: kyh on May 28, 2013, 04:39:53 PM
Haha Idk, tattoos just don't seem like such a big deal to me :D :D
They really are not but I guess some people need a reason to judge....people do not co-exist very well.
Quote from: kyh on May 28, 2013, 08:01:50 PMCome on now! Are you or are you not a person who is part of the transgender community? Are you going to accept a man saying to one of us "Sure, it's fine for you to dress like a girl, but since you're actually a man, you better accept the consequences that come with it and not expect anyone to respect you."
Is this attitude any different from the one you have?
I
knew this is the first reply that I would get! Please re-read my post more carefully because it's more subtle than that. >:(
No, I never said that and I don't think that the leap in logic you're making represents my views.
This is the key part of my post:
We just need to make sure our lines our not drawn to discriminate against or prohibit things that can't be helped (e.g. homosexuality, transgender issues, race, color, ethnicity, national origin, age, gender, disability, health etc.) Transgender issues are not voluntary, so I fully accept - without question - anyone with these issues, and I accept the steps they need to take to resolve those issues. The same goes for any other minority or class of people who exhibit or suffer from conditions that they have no control over. And I'll damn well fight for those people to be accepted and not discriminated against.
Nobody as ever been forced to have a facial tattoo. It's not something therefore something that I believe should be protected or respected
by society as a whole, although I'll do my best to look past it. If someone draws conclusions from facial tattoos, then tough. I doubt anybody walked into a tattoo shop without knowing the consequences of their actions (nor would any legitimate tattoo artist not caution the client about the placement of the tattoo.)
We are going to stop being argumentative.
E-Brennan has clearly stated that people can do what they want to with their body, but there is potentially going to be a backlash by the rest of society. As a hiring manager, I can testify that is certainly the case.
There is no attack implied by that observation.
kyh has made her point, "What's wrong with just allowing others to be themselves, when who they are doesn't hurt anybody else?"
There is nothing wrong with that. It is a basic human right.
However, we will not question another member's reasons for being here, or why they hold opinions they do, especially if they are voiced within the Terms of Service.
I am going to unlock the topic now, but I have my eye on it.
Moderation appreciated. Sometimes opinions don't mix well.
kyh, if you read my post as me frowning upon how you're presenting as female in public, or that I would accept any harm that might come from that, then I want to make it very clear that I will be the first to rush to your defense. I have no problems with anybody's physical expression of their gender.
Apologies if this got out of hand. I didn't mean it to go down that route.
My opinion of face tattoos is still out there - not a good idea, but whatever. Your face, your life. If it makes you happy, then ink it up. I'll shut up.
Hold hands and make up? :-*
I have considered a tattoo but only in a non-obvious area, wow those were pretty bad, I could never do a sleeve
I want a Breast Cancer ribbon on the left breast due to my grandmother dying of breast cancer, and one on my right of something representing my middle name (my only reason for not getting them is financial emergencies keep coming up, a friend has said she will do them for $80)
I have always thought that tatts were a way of communicating a message to others. Often it seems that they express their commitment to a group such as the Military with Regimental badges or symbols or bikie groups with the club symbol. The area I live in is a ski area and the number of people with snow flake tatts is very large. I have seen some tatts that are memorials to someone or a traumatic event, that also I can understand. Some are true works of art and I consider to be on a par with jewelry and fashion clothing, the concern I have there is that fashions change.
The tatts that I find impossible to have any respect for are the ones that basically scream "F#@K Y*U" to everone around them. How can I respect or care for somebody who shows no respect or concern for others.
I don't have any tatts but have thought about it a few times. I have never had a message that I wanted that badly to tell everyone.
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I started reading the article in the initial post and stopped after a few lines, simply due to the choice of words they'd taken. "Misspent youth"? That's a pretty strong opinion they have there. I doubt anything I could say would be able to sway it.
I guess I'll shove my view down everyone's throat now. Well, my partner's a tattooist. He's tattooed. I'm tattooed. He did all three of mine over several sessions. I have a large piece on my calf that will be extended over time to encompass the entire leg, and two pieces on the back that are to be combined into a single large piece. I have a lot of canvas, so I'll be filling that negative space. Suffice it to say that tattoos aren't a problem for me.
I know that tattoos used to be a form of rebellion, but I believe we're past that. Even Japan's extremely tight laws on tattooed people are starting to become more tolerant. It is a form of illustrative art, just like piercings or any other form of body modification.
Two of my tattoos are just images I came up with on the fly. We needed something to do, so I thought "Turkey vulture!". Then the next was a continuation of that theme. So now I have a Warbird and a British Bulldog adorning my shoulder blades. Do I regret them? Hell no. Would I regret them on my neck? Yes. But not for social reasons.
Rather, the neck requires special treatment for tattoos there. Yes others will see them, whether they like it or not, but there's more to it than social norms. One has to look at aesthetics, the way the neck moves and how the ink will sit. It's an unusual canvas.
I have a neck tattoo in mind. I have a hook for my hand. Perhaps I'm a special case (Academia doesn't mind a weirdo nearly as much as accountancy) but my opinion still stands. Because I know I've probably contradicted myself or destroyed my own case in some way, I'll try to sum up:
"Art is art."
There has been some interesting discussion.
I posted the article for no reason except seeing it on Google news comments and felt it reflected an opinion that people need to think of.
I personally don't care for tattoos but then again I have pierced ears and belly button, but I suppose that is 'traditional' for a woman. I do interview people for jobs and I have to admit that often the first impression is the one that hits you as an interviewer.
I do get body language, dress, hygiene - oh hygiene - how can you go to a job interview and not have had a wash? And general presentation.
Of course the job itself matters. I was most amused by strippers having to cover their tattoos!! Geex.
Tattoos are banned in several police forces and even in some military areas, Special Forces in Australia were unable to have any permanent body markings. I'm not sure if that is still current.
I suppose the concept of the article was more on future regret rather than personal taste. It is easy to get a tattoo, it is difficult to get rid of it.
We live with our life decisions, no matter what they are. If our decision is frowned upon who is to blame? Us or society? I'm never too sure on the answer to that. Obviously I have made my decisions of how I live my life and I care not for what others think. But the decision I made was to live as a, relatively, normal woman. I will never blend in, not because of appearance but because of my personality.
I liked the article from LWhite, art is art, and defining art is difficult if not impossible. There was a thread that mentioned the man Buck Angel, he is quite famous and I was viewing an incredible statue of him, he and his tattoos are most impressive.
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I found the information insert interesting.
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My generation was just not into these. It was maybe a certain subculture that had them. I think it wasn't looked at well, let's say. I have gotten so I can really like them and almost all the transguys I know have them (I might be one of two who doesn't). I don't particularly like gauged ears and piercings except certain places. But again, I've mostly gotten more used to them.
Unfortunately though for some folks, my generation makes up a lot of the employers! I wouldn't think too much one way or another, unless it were extreme (say all over the face), but I am not an employer. (TG) :)
Gotta love that Buck!
--Jay