......from Scotland for a few days, Uppingham to be precise. Anyway I was in a hotel wearing jeans, T shirt and make up. As I approached the bar a middle aged man stood up and walked away making head gestures towards me and said to others in the bar, quietly but not quietly enough, "I can't make up my mind about it. Don't know if it's a ->-bleeped-<-, poof or what."
We'll that's just over 3 weeks into hormones and I'm not turning back now but this is not going to be a walk in the park. Talking of which, I think I'll go for a walk round Strathclyde Park, twice and quickly. Some lipids are starting to settle in (and not where I want them ;))
Cindy response to that circumstance; question to the room.
Is that a fart on legs or a stupid old git?
(I make friends everywhere :laugh:)
Cindy
pollypagan
I am surprized to hear about your time in Scotland I live in Scotland in Edinburgh I moved her when I started to trans and been living full time as fem for around 15 months now I go out all the time dressed and made up and not ever had any negative comments only people being supportive Scotland has a large number of transgender people in Edinburgh and it is not uncommon to see someone out and about in Edinburgh that's trans and most people don't give us a second glance most people I have come in contact with that don't know me have all had the view of god in you if that's what you want may be this person you came in to contact with was not a local guy and his first encounter with some like us don't let this put u off as Scotland is normally a friendly place and has a large transgender community what was the the place in Scotland u visited
all the best and sending u a big hug
Stacey xxx feel fee to mail me
As a Welshie myself I hear great things about the people being tolerant in Scotland. Would you say you find it better to be transgender in Scotland rather than England?
Dreams2014
I moved to Scotland in 20011 from Essex and before that Berkshire yes Scotland is more acceptable to trans people than England and there is more help and support in Scotland for transgender than I found in England and people are more acceptable of people that r trans I have never had any negative reaction
Interesting. Although I hear the hotspots in England like Brighton, Manchester, Bristol and Blackpool are very accepting. But as a country Scotland sounds much more accepting over a range of issues. I may have to move there someday!
As someone from England, I'd like to say that was a prime example of some guy acting like a bit of a douche because he had an audience, rather than a reflection on us as a whole. At least I would hope that was the case.
I apologise on behalf of one of my more humanitarianly challenged countryfolk, and hope one day evolution sees fit to phase out the Neanderthal from his genetic makeup so that his progeny are less... oafish.
Quote from: Sephirah on July 26, 2013, 05:10:01 AM
As someone from England, I'd like to say that was a prime example of some guy acting like a bit of a douche because he had an audience, rather than a reflection on us as a whole. At least I would hope that was the case.
I apologise on behalf of one of my more humanitarianly challenged countryfolk, and hope one day evolution sees fit to phase out the Neanderthal from his genetic makeup so that his progeny are less... oafish.
Well you know if you're willing to wait 5 million years...?
http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/03/the-end-of-men-scientist-predicts-male-extinction-in-five-million-years-3581046/ (http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/03/the-end-of-men-scientist-predicts-male-extinction-in-five-million-years-3581046/)
Quote from: Dreams2014 on July 26, 2013, 05:16:23 AM
Well you know if you're willing to wait 5 million years...?
http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/03/the-end-of-men-scientist-predicts-male-extinction-in-five-million-years-3581046/ (http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/03/the-end-of-men-scientist-predicts-male-extinction-in-five-million-years-3581046/)
This made my day :). One of those case when I after reading the article I got my first impression "Actually,as a woman, I dont care". But that sentence "'It's a lovely example of what I call dumb design. It's an evolutionary accident,' she said." - that was not the most sensitive comment, really :). It is marvellous experience to see how both genders complement each other - when they dont try to hurt each other, of course, or when they are not pitted against each other in dumb articles like - "10 reasons why X are better at doing Y than Z" etc.
Quote from: Dreams2014 on July 26, 2013, 05:16:23 AM
Well you know if you're willing to wait 5 million years...?
http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/03/the-end-of-men-scientist-predicts-male-extinction-in-five-million-years-3581046/ (http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/03/the-end-of-men-scientist-predicts-male-extinction-in-five-million-years-3581046/)
Wow, a solution to ->-bleeped-<- in 5 million years. By then, we'll all be posthumans, anyway.
Quote from: Dreams2014 on July 26, 2013, 04:58:33 AM
Interesting. Although I hear the hotspots in England like Brighton, Manchester, Bristol and Blackpool are very accepting.
Even in a town as accepting as Bristol you still meet chest thumping primates who feel that they have the right to loudly voice their ignorance whilst throwing their poop around.
I've been out for two & a half years in Bristol & i've had met many examples of the lower end of the evolutionary process in my time, i'm not the kind of person to take this quietly so the creature in question normally gets a flea in their ear, if people are dumb enough to rattle my cage then they deserve whatever verbal response I decide to fling their way.
When I think of Scotland, I think of Sean Connery unfortunately. Great actor, ->-bleeped-<- of a human though.
I am Scottish decent though (like I think 3rd removed).
But it was a bar, and well enough said. I look for intellectual conversation in places like libraries :)
I would only expect men to act like men in a bar. And single men are often single for a reason eh.
I wonder if most men could read my mind, if they would be any happier :)
Quote from: Nicolette on July 26, 2013, 06:41:31 AM
Wow, a solution to ->-bleeped-<- in 5 million years. By then, we'll all be posthumans, anyway.
Considering every species for 800 million years (except single-celled ones) have had a "male" and "female", I'd say the lady's comments were on par with the "fart on legs" that felt he had to make a comment because he had an audience...
QuoteWe'll that's just over 3 weeks into hormones and I'm not turning back now but this is not going to be a walk in the park.
3 weeks isn't enough time for any changes, except maybe emotional. :)
Quote from: Beth Andrea on July 26, 2013, 09:14:01 AM
Considering every species for 800 million years (except single-celled ones) have had a "male" and "female", I'd say the lady's comments were on par with the "fart on legs" that felt he had to make a comment because he had an audience...
I agree, and the comments have been trashed by other scientists. And it's a bit silly anyway as the genetic modifications we will make through science, to the genome in the future, will make evolutionary ones pale into insignificance.
Quote from: Nicolette on July 26, 2013, 09:39:10 AM
I agree, and the comments have been trashed by other scientists. And it's a bit silly anyway as the genetic modifications we will make through science, to the genome in the future, will make evolutionary ones pale into insignificance.
Übermensch!
Und vat zhall ve do mit die untermensch?
(I will note that eugenics was an American invention...but having a "Bubba" voice say that would have been...ironic at best)
Sadly there are people like that still,last time anyone said that to me I told him to go and colour his book in.His mates thought it was funny but he didn't see the funny side
Gosh what a load of responses and when I read it back it looked like I was having a dig at England. Really I wasn't. I don't think those in the bar were in any way representative of English people but maybe small out the way village types perhaps. But even then everyone else was just fine. I live in Scotland and so far everything has gone well and know fine that if I go to Glasgow, Edinburgh... everything will be ok but if I perhaps went to a small Scottish village where they still point at aeroplanes it could be different.
By the way, today after my health walk I went for a curry (yes, I know.....) Anyway, once again wearing jeans, T shirt and subtle make-up, the staff who did not know me consistently called my wife and I "ladies".
Quote from: Beth Andrea on July 26, 2013, 09:57:07 AM
Übermensch!
Und vat zhall ve do mit die untermensch?
(I will note that eugenics was an American invention...but having a "Bubba" voice say that would have been...ironic at best)
Ah, but there wouldn't be any untermensch. Oh dear.. Says me, with all my 40% Ashkenazi genetics.
Every time evolutionary processes is mentioned, I get twinges.
A lot of people seem to fail to realize, that slow steady evolution is of course possible, but, most of the most significant changes in the course of life on this planet has happened as a result of massive global death in the realm of near total elimination.
Take for instance Toba erupting and it nearly wiped our species out. Most of the evolution up to that point was suddenly and violently altered. We are the decedents of a handful of survivors.
I am sure if Yellowstone were to erupt equally violently (as it has already done several times), it would sure set in motion a great deal of changes. There would be a great deal of us dealt out of the game and violently so.
Some days I wish it would blow too.
Quote from: Lesley_Roberta on July 26, 2013, 12:05:50 PM
Every time evolutionary processes is mentioned, I get twinges.
A lot of people seem to fail to realize, that slow steady evolution is of course possible, but, most of the most significant changes in the course of life on this planet has happened as a result of massive global death in the realm of near total elimination.
Take for instance Toba erupting and it nearly wiped our species out. Most of the evolution up to that point was suddenly and violently altered. We are the decedents of a handful of survivors.
I am sure if Yellowstone were to erupt equally violently (as it has already done several times), it would sure set in motion a great deal of changes. There would be a great deal of us dealt out of the game and violently so.
Some days I wish it would blow too.
Changes to a species includes many different levels...not all of them are adaptations to natural disasters.
All domestic animals started out as wild, and over the 100,000 years +/- of man's era, we have modified all of them to fit various niches. Dogs, cats, horses, cows, chickens...all of them are the result of selective breeding (and exterminating the "unfit" ones)...so it is possible to "breed" a "new man", whether they are called Übermensch, Aryan, Jewish, Adamic, Superman, or even just Fred and Barney.
Perhaps "evolution" is too large a scale of a word, like "hurricane" is to "light breeze"...we may need a word that indicates a species change is manmade.
Gosh how threads can evolve!
Quote from: pollypagan on July 26, 2013, 01:00:53 PM
Gosh how threads can evolve!
Yeah sorry about that. I didn't mean to start a debate about evolution xD
Quote from: Dreams2014 on July 26, 2013, 01:39:17 PM
Yeah sorry about that. I didn't mean to start a debate about evolution xD
Not a problem. I did Honours Evolution so it is an interest. I was just going for a cheap line. Couldn't resist it.
Quote from: pollypagan on July 26, 2013, 01:00:53 PM
Gosh how threads can evolve!
Yeah, threads can turn into quite the yarn...;) And if one isn't careful, they can get pretty wooly, too!
I think it's time for me to get the flock outta here...:P
Evolution can be forced by many means indeed.
Strawberries were never meant to be the ginormous things I get at the store from Mexico. They are huge, but only taste half as good as the incredibly small bite sized things I used to munch on with my sister in the field a couple of blocks from home. I'd pay twice the price, for a box of those punny berries from my youth.
I see breeds of dog, and I wonder to myself, how in the heck did we end up with that sort of dog?
But then again, I look at humans and wonder, how the heck did we end up with that feature?
I occasionally wonder, just about the ability to wonder. I can say I have read about how our brains have evolved in size, but, the process of thinking, now that is something else entirely different.
I am a woman, I know I am a woman. I just happen to have a male body. If I was living in the wrongest possible country though, I'd likely suppress that like anything else life threatening. As we speak, Russia is doing what it can, to beat down on the gay scene (which to me means anything not straight), and that WILL have effects if given enough time.
I often wonder, when we our species out grow a need for religious belief? It's what it is, a fear of the unknown of after death. And it's about people that prey on those that suffer from that fear. Is it stunting our development as a species? Or is it a form of brakes keeping us from going too far in the direction of science? Because I can tell you that unchecked science can be just as scary.
With genetics, and nothing to slow us down, we could just as easily be breeding people to order.
I wonder, if transgender could be selectively eliminated from the gene pool?
Everything is eventually just a part of our genetics. Big small, short tall, colour, hair, eyes, it's all stuff on a menu in our code.
I have a preference for cold rainy weather regardless of my health. Might be my Scottish ancestry. When I was in the army, my biggest worry (after the Warsaw Pact of course), was duty in a desert or jungle climate. I can't handle heat.
I often wonder why people do what they do, and it's usually just the environment that they are stuck in.
If I was born in the middle east, I likely would be Muslim and not prone to being transgender even if I was.
If I was born in China, well having been born in a male form, I'd have survived birth easier, but also would likely be single too. My genes likely would not be going far.
But I was born Canadian, and being disabled has not put my life at risk nor put me in undue hardship. And I have the ability to say my life is a lot more promising than it might be for a lot of others on this planet. I have been able to be all I really am.
Meanwhile in Japan, a nation that is very insular, and xenophobic, their birthrate is crashing full speed. Their young have lost interest, technology has made it possible to be a solo individual and exist in front of a machine and their aged population is rapidly becoming an expensive prospect as their diet allows them to live long.
I see the exceedingly rapid population growth rates of India and China heading for a very nasty wall that simply will refuse to not be a problem.
Any nation sitting on their borders, may want to keep this in mind. I am glad I am many thousands of miles away and on the other side of the largest body of water on the planet.
I read an obscure science fiction book as a teen called "Banner of Souls" and within that setting, men had become extinct because technology had advanced so far that babies were developed in labs rather than wombs but society had felt that women had more to offer. I should have realized I wasn't quite rooting for my physical gender when I read it and rather than get offended, contemplated and concluded that I wouldn't mind that kind of future.
QuoteI wonder, if transgender could be selectively eliminated from the gene pool?
OMG, I sure hope so...being trans is nothing to want to keep for future generations...it'd be 1000% better if, instead of being trans, we were born in the right body in the first place!