A question for Thanksgiving.
Not American, that irritates Canadians.
USAians?
Merkian's
What do you guys use?
I'm Australian, people from China are Chinese, people from Holland are Dutch etc.
OK it's silly but ........
And nothing rude please.
How about USAites
or Nonmetricites
Are republicans included?
The people who drive on the wrong side of the road
Yankees?
Quote from: Cindy on November 28, 2013, 02:16:09 AM
Not American, that irritates Canadians.
But that's what it is >.>
Gulp
Which Canadians does it bother? Certainly not me or anyone I've talked to
i know a canadian, and she always calls them americans. true life story.
i call them estadounidenses, but that's because spanish actually has a name for people from the united states.
I use my own term of Yanksylvanian, why use a perfect fine real word when you can make a funny one up!
I think American is fine as I lived with a Canadian for a year while at uni. But I can see why American be a problem for some.
In the UK we don't know what to call ourselves either! Brits? Britons? British? Those three are fine but the UK includes England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and the surrounding islands. However, Great Britain is something like England, Scotland and Wales but not Northern Ireland and surrounding islands.
Looking at our politics I call us "nuts"! ;D
Quote from: foreversarah on November 28, 2013, 04:08:03 AM
In the UK we don't know what to call ourselves either! Brits? Britons? British? Those three are fine but the UK includes England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and the surrounding islands. However, Great Britain is something like England, Scotland and Wales but not Northern Ireland and surrounding islands.
Yorkshire will do fine thank you very much! :P
United Statesians
United Staters
Quote from: foreversarah on November 28, 2013, 04:08:03 AM
I think American is fine as I lived with a Canadian for a year while at uni. But I can see why American be a problem for some.
In the UK we don't know what to call ourselves either! Brits? Britons? British? Those three are fine but the UK includes England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and the surrounding islands. However, Great Britain is something like England, Scotland and Wales but not Northern Ireland and surrounding islands.
That's probably why brits get mad at me for saying "British accent" :3
I'm Canadian, have lived here all my life, and have never met anyone who has a problem with calling them Americans.
It's weird isn't it?
I send something and get a reply, I'm not American I'm Texan. I apologize and wonder WTF. What should I call you!
Confused
Cindy
Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on November 28, 2013, 04:21:57 AM
That's probably why brits get mad at me for saying "British accent" :3
There isn't really a "British accent". Each city/county generally has its own, every 30/40 miles (sometimes even less!) you go the accent will switch, sometimes quite dramatically, and that's only within England! Once you start factoring in Wales/Scotland etc the number of separate accents is ridiculous!
Quote from: big kim on November 28, 2013, 02:25:11 AM
The people who drive on the wrong side of the road
Or the "right" side...
Quote from: Cindy on November 28, 2013, 06:02:07 AM
It's weird isn't it?
I send something and get a reply, I'm not American I'm Texan. I apologize and wonder WTF. What should I call you!
Confused
Cindy
I have a few friends from Texas and they are just like that. Always "I'm a proud Texan". I don't understand it. I do know every state does has a name for its inhabitants like for the whole country it is "American" but you can break it down by state as well. I would also be a Marylander, someone from DC would be a Washingtonian, NY would be a New Yorker. It's all convoluted. Too many labels.
Quote from: Cindy on November 28, 2013, 06:02:07 AM
It's weird isn't it?
I send something and get a reply, I'm not American I'm Texan. I apologize and wonder WTF. What should I call you!
Confused
Cindy
Let see since I'm from Massachusetts sometimes we are called m->-bleeped-<-s. LOL
I was born in Tonton, so Tauntonian works
With Massachusetts being in New England, New Englander fits.
Calling someone from The United States of America, American is fine but then there are a few sub categories.
So after all of that wouldn't it be easier to simply call me Beth or Bethany?
I've always referred to those from the US as Americans when using formal terms. In casual terms I use Yank/Yanks/Yankees and also Gringo/Gringos.
I know the term Gringo is somewhat pejorative to some, but it doesn't bother me.
-Sandy
Americans. My subcategory is M->-bleeped-<-, too! Call me anything, just don't call me late for dinner. Hugs, Devlyn
Don't forget America is a continent with more than just Canada and USA.
From a South American perspective, everyone that lives in America is American. I am American. I live in Brazil, I am South American.
People from Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, Chile, Peru and so on aggrees with me.
We usually call North Americans people who lives in the USA
But I think that would bother Canadians and Mexicans perhaps, as they are in the North America too...
Hard question.
I'm from Eastern Canada and we usually say American. We usually call ourselves Maritimers. I never hear Eastern Canadian though I suppose it fits.
We are Americans. Canadians are North Americans along with us...
... Yuengling is called "America's oldest brewery." Molsen is the oldest brewery in North America... so there's precedent.
I say "yanks", "USians", and "idiots". :P
Quote from: Hayley on November 28, 2013, 06:26:38 AM
Or the "right" side...
I have a few friends from Texas and they are just like that. Always "I'm a proud Texan". I don't understand it. I do know every state does has a name for its inhabitants like for the whole country it is "American" but you can break it down by state as well. I would also be a Marylander, someone from DC would be a Washingtonian, NY would be a New Yorker. It's all convoluted. Too many labels.
I guess I'm a Nevadan, which Californians would say totally wrong! They would be like "Nev-aww-dan" >.<
'Mericun. As they say down South.
Quote from: Hayley on November 28, 2013, 06:26:38 AM
Or the "right" side...
I have a few friends from Texas and they are just like that. Always "I'm a proud Texan". I don't understand it. I do know every state does has a name for its inhabitants like for the whole country it is "American" but you can break it down by state as well. I would also be a Marylander, someone from DC would be a Washingtonian, NY would be a New Yorker. It's all convoluted. Too many labels.
That's because Texas is the only state which was its own country--fought for independence from the US and from Mexico, and they still hold that perspective...but if something happens to the US as a country (as in 9/11) they're right there beside the rest of us, waving the Lone Star...(and yes, that's how they see other Americans--there's Texans, and there's "everybody else.")
If anyone is familiar with Bavaria, Texas is often seen as part of the US, in the same way that Bavaria is to Germany.
We call ourselves "Americans". Not because of the continent, just because that's what we call ourselves. T'ain't no reason for it. Technically, each state does have its own term for its people--Washingtonians, Oregonians, Idahoans, etc but for the overall population it's just "American." Generally it's frowned on to point out race or ethnicity, and (imho) it's kinda silly to use a geo-political perspective to identify oneself.
Quote from: Cindy on November 28, 2013, 06:02:07 AM
It's weird isn't it?
I send something and get a reply, I'm not American I'm Texan. I apologize and wonder WTF. What should I call you!
Confused
Cindy
LOL... Don't worry about it Sis. Some folks are just a bit more territorial than others :D
I've been to Canada lots of times and people there always called me American.
Quote from: Lo on November 28, 2013, 10:58:15 AM
I say "yanks", "USians", and "idiots". :P
LOL
Yeah, I've gotten yank before. Mostly from Aussies. :P
Nothing nasty please, this is for fun. My USAnian friends are not idiots. They are my friends.
I was lead to believe that Yank and Yankee are derogative, is that correct?
USAnian ye, Star Trekkie!
Quote from: Cindy on November 29, 2013, 01:51:47 AM
I was lead to believe that Yank and Yankee are derogative, is that correct?
Yankees are from the northern half. It is meant to be derogative to the northerners but it isn't.
Quote from: LordKAT on November 29, 2013, 02:26:40 AM
Yankees are from the northern half. It is meant to be derogative to the northerners but it isn't.
Southerners definitely aren't Yankees.I was told they are Johnny Rebs by a southerner many years ago.I was at a classic car show and found a Plymouth Roadrunner with an American registration plate for sale(should have looked a bit closer!) and told a friend there's a Yank selling a Roadrunner.The owner overheard me and told me he was no ****ing Yank!
Shows my ignorance, I thought Southerners were Yankees!
Other than the NY Yankees baseball team the term isn't really used much in the U.S. anymore, considered outdated
I did read that the Redskins (?) NFL team was getting flak for their name. Is this cultural sensitivity (which I support) or ?
How about "Fantabulous" and just leave it at that?
:P
Quote from: Cindy on November 29, 2013, 04:22:50 AM
I did read that the Redskins (?) NFL team was getting flak for their name. Is this cultural sensitivity (which I support) or ?
Yes, high schools largely did away with pejorative terms referencing Native Americans. Now it is being elevated to the University and Professional sporting ranks.
Quote from: Antonia J on November 29, 2013, 04:30:09 AM
How about "Fantabulous" and just leave it at that?
:P
I'm cool with that. or should I be sick with that?
Mmmmm
Quote from: Antonia J on November 29, 2013, 04:33:41 AM
Yes, high schools largely did away with pejorative terms referencing Native Americans. Now it is being elevated to the University and Professional sporting ranks.
And the Vikings?
I have members from Norse land!
Quote from: Cindy on November 29, 2013, 04:35:42 AM
And the Vikings?
I have members from Norse land!
Perhaps I am mistaken, but I don't recall "Vikings" as being a derogatory reference. Maybe if the Norse doth protest this would change?
Quote from: Cindy on November 29, 2013, 01:51:47 AM
Nothing nasty please, this is for fun. My USAnian friends are not idiots. They are my friends.
I was lead to believe that Yank and Yankee are derogative, is that correct?
USAnian ye, Star Trekkie!
I'm from here mself, I'm allowed to say it. ;P
Quote from: Antonia J on November 29, 2013, 04:55:39 AM
Perhaps I am mistaken, but I don't recall "Vikings" as being a derogatory reference. Maybe if the Norse doth protest this would change?
Yeah, I don't recall "viking" being used in conjunction with genocide and slavery...
Quote from: Lo on November 29, 2013, 12:14:54 PM
Yeah, I don't recall "viking" being used in conjunction with genocide and slavery...
Ah you should look up the history of Vikings!
Quote from: Cindy on November 29, 2013, 12:42:37 PM
Ah you should look up the history of Vikings!
The difference is historical, though. "Redskin" was a historical name western people used to reference the native population (used in a derogatory way). "Viking" is a norse word that basically means journey - usually a journey to invade and pillage - and the warriors who took such journeys. The Norse people were far more than vikings, but the word was not derogatory. It is also not something used within the last 100 years to refer to people of Norse heritage... whereas "redskin" can be found in various western TV shows and movies where the "cowboys" are seen in a positive light and the natives as the enemy.
Quote from: Cindy on November 28, 2013, 06:02:07 AM
It's weird isn't it?
I send something and get a reply, I'm not American I'm Texan. I apologize and wonder WTF. What should I call you!
Confused
Cindy
No reason to be confused. Native Texans are proud of their heritage, having once been an independent country (1836-1845). It is not uncommon in the states of the ill-fated Confederacy, for residents to place their loyalty to State before loyalty to Country, which they still view as something less than a nation-state, and more of a league of sovereign and independent states.
I refer to myself both as an American and as a Californian.
Same. I'm a Californian (and Angelino) first and foremost. I believe that CA is leaps and bounds ahead of the rest of the country in almost every regard, and I'm damn proud of that. Don't lump me in with the ignoramuses that the rest of the world sees us all as.
Please....
Hey, I'll be happy to take it back when other states have as many protections for minorities as we do and plan on raising their minimum wages to $10/hr. ;P
When people start beating each other over the head with their "better" city/state/country/religion/gender, threads go downhill. Why start something like that? Hugs, Devlyn
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on December 03, 2013, 08:29:46 PM
When people start beating each other over the head with their "better" city/state/country/religion/gender, threads go downhill. Why start something like that? Hugs, Devlyn
Actually Lo's helping me wanna move there more. ^.^ lol
Although I shall do my part to reform as many Californians as I can about their incorrect pronounciation of "Nevada". D:<
Quote from: Beth Andrea on December 04, 2013, 01:20:24 PM
Now, if there was a team somewhere with the name "Palefaces" or "Crackers" (either with a stereotypical white face/head icon), yes that would be offensive, and comparable to other such names.
whoa there.
no, no it would not. let's remember racism is a thing with structural power! the only way it would be comparable is if this happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dw_mRaIHb-M
What do you call someone who speaks three languages?
Trilingual
What do you call someone who speaks two languages?
Bilingual
What do you call someone who speaks one language?
An American
Quote from: Jill F on December 04, 2013, 02:32:03 PM
What do you call someone who speaks three languages?
Trilingual
What do you call someone who speaks two languages?
Bilingual
What do you call someone who speaks one language?
An American
Aaaand.... it's Spanish.
We are more like HEINZ 57 with so many groups of people in one country we are all different but we are all one.
What is the name/term for people from the USA?
Dorks. :D
Quote from: transtrender on December 04, 2013, 01:59:33 PM
whoa there.
no, no it would not. let's remember racism is a thing with structural power! the only way it would be comparable is if this happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dw_mRaIHb-M
LOVED that video! :D
Quote from: Beth Andrea on December 04, 2013, 02:28:33 PM
With all due respect, racism is a multifaceted issue...structural power is something that is being worked on currently, but if someone is beaten or killed because of their race, that is not a "structural power" event...that is simple violence, which is one of the hallmarks of racism.
It doesn't matter in terms of such violence if one is living in a Apartheid-style power structure or on based on pure equality...if person A kills person B because of nothing more than their perceived race...that *is* racism, pure and simple.
To excuse or justify racist actions because the victim is a member of the perceived "in-power group" is disingenuous at best, imho.
i don't really think it's appropriate to recentre the topic by talking specifically about violence against members of an in-power group. there's no such thing as a "structural power event" because everything that happens in a society exists in an environment of structural power, so i don't think it's possible to decontextualize anything—violence included—without misrepresenting the way that racism in language, violence, and social structures plays out.
a lot of people attempting to boil down a LOT of race theory into a pithy little sentence come up with the statement "racism = prejudice + power". i don't think that's entirely accurate either, and it has some issues as things get messier, but i think it's a good jumping-off point with regard to talking about race. to put it another way, nobody's saying that someone who exclusively goes out and is violent with white people is a GOOD PERSON, just that what they are doing is not an act of racism. this is not an excuse or a justification because at the end of the day something not being racist does not mean that it's not
wrong.
to bring this back to the discussion in question, words like "cracker" are not racist slurs because in a racist society where white people are the group with power, a word like that has no structural power. using that word or a word like that are not a reflection of racial hatred, but a place of challenge and resistance; those using it consciously parallel the use of racial slurs against them, which
are used to create/perpetuate oppression and marginalization.
this is getting kind of off-topc, sorry about that. feel free to split this off into another thread if it's disrupting this current one, but i do feel it's important that this is said.
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on December 03, 2013, 08:29:46 PM
When people start beating each other over the head with their "better" city/state/country/religion/gender, threads go downhill. Why start something like that? Hugs, Devlyn
I'm actually all for everybody's pride in their own states. I can't stand Jersey, but I won't argue with a Jersey native saying it's their favorite state in the union.
I'm also going to respect anyone else who thinks California sucks... that's their opinion! Everyone's biased when it comes to where we live. :P
What is the name/term for people from the USA?
In WWI they were called Doughboys.
In WWII they were called G.I.s.
In recent years they were called Grunts.
Basically they call us when they need us.
Hugs, Devlyn
Beth, you might be interested in reading about critical race theory, which is what informs the work of many of the folks who actually study these histories and cultural paradigms from a scholarly perspective.
Which thread, Joules, there's two in here! :laugh:
Quote from: Joules on December 05, 2013, 12:33:38 PM
Does anyone else feel like this thread has no future on a SUPPORT site?
"Support" is best given in an atmosphere of encouragement...to achieve this, one needs to know something about other people's interests, values, and opinions.
And sometimes one is just curious about the odd thing occassionally. As long as no one gets into a snit, it's all good.
Myself, I know where one of my triggers are, that's why I backed out of the
sub-topic that developed around the idea that some nicknames can be derogatory.
Other than that....I like Little Debbie Oatmeal cream pies. (Devlyn, that's TWO words; don't you dare run with this...;) )
Ok, getting back on topic a little.
I'm thinking just call us Americans. Then the state, like a Minnesotain (Minnesota Nice – because, well, we're nice! Cold, [It's -10 F out there] but Nice! [Hugs for warmth!!!] Used to be from Nebraska (Nebraskan). Home of the football team called the Corn Huskers – not to insult farmers. Live in Iowa (Iowans), Kansas (Kasasans? Never did get that one), Colorado (Coloradoans?), North Dakota (North Dakotan), Indiana (Hoosiers), Washington (no clue there)
Hugs,
Jen
Well I started this thread so people could have a laugh and a joke. A bit of light hearted banter and even a get to know people from around the world topic.
Unfortunately it has become something more and has started to become divisive so I'm locking it.
Cindy