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What is the name/term for people from the USA?

Started by Cindy, November 28, 2013, 02:16:09 AM

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Antonia J

Quote from: Cindy on November 29, 2013, 04:35:42 AM
And the Vikings?

I have members from Norse land!

Perhaps I am mistaken,  but I don't recall "Vikings" as being a derogatory reference. Maybe if the Norse doth protest this would change?
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Lo

Quote from: Cindy on November 29, 2013, 01:51:47 AM
Nothing nasty please, this is for fun. My USAnian friends are not idiots. They are my friends.

I was lead to believe that Yank and Yankee are derogative, is that correct?

USAnian ye, Star Trekkie!

I'm from here mself, I'm allowed to say it. ;P
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Lo

Quote from: Antonia J on November 29, 2013, 04:55:39 AM
Perhaps I am mistaken,  but I don't recall "Vikings" as being a derogatory reference. Maybe if the Norse doth protest this would change?

Yeah, I don't recall "viking" being used in conjunction with genocide and slavery...
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Cindy

Quote from: Lo on November 29, 2013, 12:14:54 PM
Yeah, I don't recall "viking" being used in conjunction with genocide and slavery...

Ah you should look up the history of Vikings!
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KabitTarah

Quote from: Cindy on November 29, 2013, 12:42:37 PM
Ah you should look up the history of Vikings!

The difference is historical, though. "Redskin" was a historical name western people used to reference the native population (used in a derogatory way). "Viking" is a norse word that basically means journey - usually a journey to invade and pillage - and the warriors who took such journeys. The Norse people were far more than vikings, but the word was not derogatory. It is also not something used within the last 100 years to refer to people of Norse heritage... whereas "redskin" can be found in various western TV shows and movies where the "cowboys" are seen in a positive light and the natives as the enemy.
~ Tarah ~

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Jamie D

Quote from: Cindy on November 28, 2013, 06:02:07 AM
It's weird isn't it?

I send something and get a reply, I'm not American I'm Texan. I apologize and wonder WTF. What should I call you!

Confused
Cindy

No reason to be confused.  Native Texans are proud of their heritage, having once been an independent country (1836-1845).   It is not uncommon in the states of the ill-fated Confederacy, for residents to place their loyalty to State before loyalty to Country, which they still view as something less than a nation-state, and more of a league of sovereign and independent states.

I refer to myself both as an American and as a Californian.
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Lo

Same. I'm a Californian (and Angelino) first and foremost. I believe that CA is leaps and bounds ahead of the rest of the country in almost every regard, and I'm damn proud of that. Don't lump me in with the ignoramuses that the rest of the world sees us all as.
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Devlyn

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Lo

Hey, I'll be happy to take it back when other states have as many protections for minorities as we do and plan on raising their minimum wages to $10/hr. ;P
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Devlyn

When people start beating each other over the head with their "better" city/state/country/religion/gender, threads go downhill. Why start something like that? Hugs, Devlyn
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~RoadToTrista~

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on December 03, 2013, 08:29:46 PM
When people start beating each other over the head with their "better" city/state/country/religion/gender, threads go downhill. Why start something like that? Hugs, Devlyn

Actually Lo's helping me wanna move there more. ^.^ lol

Although I shall do my part to reform as many Californians as I can about their incorrect pronounciation of "Nevada". D:<
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kinz

Quote from: Beth Andrea on December 04, 2013, 01:20:24 PM

Now, if there was a team somewhere with the name "Palefaces" or "Crackers" (either with a stereotypical white face/head icon), yes that would be offensive, and comparable to other such names.


whoa there.

no, no it would not. let's remember racism is a thing with structural power! the only way it would be comparable is if this happened.

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Jill F

What do you call someone who speaks three languages? 

Trilingual

What do you call someone who speaks two languages?

Bilingual

What do you call someone who speaks one language?

An American
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KabitTarah

Quote from: Jill F on December 04, 2013, 02:32:03 PM
What do you call someone who speaks three languages? 

Trilingual

What do you call someone who speaks two languages?

Bilingual

What do you call someone who speaks one language?

An American

Aaaand.... it's Spanish.
~ Tarah ~

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justpat

   We are more like HEINZ 57 with so many groups of people in one country we are all different but we are all one.
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Miss_Bungle1991

What is the name/term for people from the USA?

Dorks. :D
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Shaina

Quote from: transtrender on December 04, 2013, 01:59:33 PM
whoa there.

no, no it would not. let's remember racism is a thing with structural power! the only way it would be comparable is if this happened.



LOVED that video!  :D
I was a child and she was a child   
    In this kingdom by the sea:   
But we loved with a love that was more than love—
    I and my Annabel Lee
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kinz

Quote from: Beth Andrea on December 04, 2013, 02:28:33 PM
With all due respect, racism is a multifaceted issue...structural power is something that is being worked on currently, but if someone is beaten or killed because of their race, that is not a "structural power" event...that is simple violence, which is one of the hallmarks of racism.

It doesn't matter in terms of such violence if one is living in a Apartheid-style power structure or on based on pure equality...if person A kills person B because of nothing more than their perceived race...that *is* racism, pure and simple.

To excuse or justify racist actions because the victim is a member of the perceived "in-power group" is disingenuous at best, imho.

i don't really think it's appropriate to recentre the topic by talking specifically about violence against members of an in-power group. there's no such thing as a "structural power event" because everything that happens in a society exists in an environment of structural power, so i don't think it's possible to decontextualize anything—violence included—without misrepresenting the way that racism in language, violence, and social structures plays out.

a lot of people attempting to boil down a LOT of race theory into a pithy little sentence come up with the statement "racism = prejudice + power". i don't think that's entirely accurate either, and it has some issues as things get messier, but i think it's a good jumping-off point with regard to talking about race. to put it another way, nobody's saying that someone who exclusively goes out and is violent with white people is a GOOD PERSON, just that what they are doing is not an act of racism. this is not an excuse or a justification because at the end of the day something not being racist does not mean that it's not wrong.

to bring this back to the discussion in question, words like "cracker" are not racist slurs because in a racist society where white people are the group with power, a word like that has no structural power. using that word or a word like that are not a reflection of racial hatred, but a place of challenge and resistance; those using it consciously parallel the use of racial slurs against them, which are used to create/perpetuate oppression and marginalization.

this is getting kind of off-topc, sorry about that. feel free to split this off into another thread if it's disrupting this current one, but i do feel it's important that this is said.
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Lo

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on December 03, 2013, 08:29:46 PM
When people start beating each other over the head with their "better" city/state/country/religion/gender, threads go downhill. Why start something like that? Hugs, Devlyn

I'm actually all for everybody's pride in their own states. I can't stand Jersey, but I won't argue with a Jersey native saying it's their favorite state in the union.

I'm also going to respect anyone else who thinks California sucks... that's their opinion! Everyone's biased when it comes to where we live. :P
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