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Title: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: evecrook on December 09, 2013, 01:39:31 PM
I started wearing my sisters dresses when I was 4 years old. I use to do it when the lights went  out. I continued  through grade school , high school college. and after, I stopped for a bunch of years . I thought I had put it to rest. I started up again last year. I'm on HRT now , so I probably won't stop again.
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: Jill F on December 09, 2013, 01:57:27 PM
I didn't wear a skirt or dress privately until last year and did not publically until February or so this year.   I wanted to since I was 4, but had no real access to something that fit, even if I would have allowed myself to go there.  My mother is tiny and nothing of hers would have fit me by the time I was 11!
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: Phoenix_2812 on December 09, 2013, 02:03:13 PM
I started doing it at night, too (privately, never tried publicly), but I was 6, I think. I've been doing it ever since, with only a short break of a couple of years during the early 90's. It has always felt natural. I don't even like men's suits, I've never liked wearing them. They just seem wrong some how. :(

I've been thinking this year about telling people in my family about it. It's better than trying to hide it all the time.

Chris
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: Mogu on December 09, 2013, 02:09:32 PM
In private? Earliest memory was four years old, I dressed up as a princess with my friend. I've had a history of stealing my mother's and older sister's clothes, I don't think they ever found out (And I'm never telling them).

About two years ago I started wearing skirts, I stopped wearing pants. I wasn't trying to pass either.
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: Devlyn on December 09, 2013, 02:11:47 PM
Seven years now, I first put on a dress at 45. Hugs, Devlyn
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: Ltl89 on December 09, 2013, 02:43:01 PM
Very early.  I can't remember the age.  My sisters always dressed me up and put me in makeup when I was young.  The first time I did it on my own was probably about 4 or 5 when I wanted to dress like a "fairy princess".   Also, I would occasionally dress up and pretend to be female celebrities when I was young.  The first time I did it in private without family knowing was probably around the age of 10.  By that time the cute young gender bending phase had ended, and I knew it was something that I was "supposed to hide".   
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: evecrook on December 09, 2013, 03:54:54 PM
Quote from: Phoenix_2812 on December 09, 2013, 02:03:13 PM
I started doing it at night, too (privately, never tried publicly), but I was 6, I think. I've been doing it ever since, with only a short break of a couple of years during the early 90's. It has always felt natural. I don't even like men's suits, I've never liked wearing them. They just seem wrong some how. :(

I've been thinking this year about telling people in my family about it. It's better than trying to hide it all the time.

Chris
I have a problem with men's suits too, they do feel wrong
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: Jill F on December 09, 2013, 04:03:10 PM
Quote from: evecrook on December 09, 2013, 03:54:54 PM
               I have a problem with men's suits too, they do feel wrong

I always hated having to wear a jacket and tie and dreaded the tuxedo more than anything.  I thought it was all because I just wasn't a suit person and didn't like dressing up, but now I realize it was a manifestation of gender dysphoria.  Manly man clothes made me anxious and uncomfortable, when you're supposed to "love the way you'll look- guaranteed."   Now I LOVE getting dressed up and looking my best, and I look forward to events where I have to look nice with hair done, makeup and jewelry.

Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: Ashey on December 09, 2013, 05:11:14 PM
I've only worn a dress once, and a skirt a couple times (in public) and that was years ago. The skirt was nice, very comfortable, and maybe if I wear long skirts it'll cover my huge calves lol. So skirts are a maybe, pants or pant-like bottoms are preferable, and dresses? Well, maybe on special occasions. Though, I have friends that are dying to see me in a sun dress for some reason. xD
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: Tristan on December 09, 2013, 05:36:25 PM
my dad says my mom and oldest sister started dressing me up a 3? but i remember asking my sisters to really start doing around 5-6 till ,y dad said no more. then in secret until i got busted at 11
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: Miranda Catherine on December 09, 2013, 09:50:33 PM
I dressed up in frilly dresses till 4 when my dad forbid my mom from letting me get into her makeup, jewelry and a bag of little girl clothes I'll never know why was there, other than my mom wanted a girl. I only had one older brother. I started again at 13 off and on into my mid thirties, then quit completely for nearly ten years, dressed a little, and stopped again till 2012. I've worn dresses or skirts every single day for nearly a year and can't see myself ever going back to pants more than one or two times a week. I love the look, feel and male response of wearing dresses. Men always open doors for me in a dress and I hated being told by society I wasn't supposed to wear feminine clothes and I'm catching up on lost time! Mira
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: Emily.T on December 09, 2013, 09:53:39 PM
I have been wearing dresses and skirts in private for the last 20 years I still have a little way to go before I venture out in public with them but I look forward to the day when I can.

Emily.T xx
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: KabitTarah on December 09, 2013, 10:00:10 PM
I wore a few back in high school (in private... "borrowed" from my sister).

I don't wear them often now, but I don't dress up that often. I prefer a more blended look while I transition, since I'm not too passable in the face. I have worn a purse out, though... once. That was quite the experience.

Right now I'm on the look out for a gray or black maxi skirt. No need to freeze or show too much leg this time of year!! I have a red one, but it's enormous and probably isn't worth taking in.
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: kathyk on December 09, 2013, 11:05:06 PM
Privately when I could for 44 years, publicly for 7 months.
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: Blastradius on December 10, 2013, 12:02:04 AM
By choice in private since I was six or seven, but I have a baby picture of me when my aunt had put a dress on me. So I guess you could say my whole life :P ,but I still haven't gotten the courage to wear either in public yet.
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: Aina on December 10, 2013, 12:03:20 AM
I can't say I borrowed any dresses or skirts from my sister. When I was about 10 or younger I use to sneak her jeans and shirts when no one was home. When one day I almost got caught I stopped and haven't done it since.
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: ssneha23 on December 10, 2013, 12:36:29 AM
I have been wearing dresses or skirts for as far as I can remember.  However,  I did it privately without anyone knowing.  I haven't come out to family and friends yet.  But it has been nearly a year and half since I have slept in yikeee male clothes.  When I do go out its more of an andro look wearing girls jeans with solid color tops...
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: Xhianil on December 10, 2013, 02:38:05 AM
i forget how old i was, very young though, when i put on my sisters skirt while everyone was gone for the night and i was home alone, it was just a simple blue skirt,  and i had it on for about 5 minutes before i look in a mirror just break down crying and crying, next thing i knew it was the next morning, i was still in the skirt and still all alone, after that i didnt do so for a while.
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: evecrook on December 10, 2013, 12:57:14 PM
Quote from: gowiththeflow on December 09, 2013, 05:36:25 PM
my dad says my mom and oldest sister started dressing me up a 3? but i remember asking my sisters to really start doing around 5-6 till ,y dad said no more. then in secret until i got busted at 11
I almost got totally busted when I was in high school. My dad came home from work unexpectedly . I had my sisters prom dress on. He kind of half heatedly chased me around the upstairs rooms but gave up chasing after me and went down stairs , never said any thing again.
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: Hayley on December 10, 2013, 01:09:43 PM
I used to wear long skirts in high school. I had a "goth" phase that included make-up, skirts, fishnet shirts and bondage straps as well as knee high 4" platform boots. Oh and an over abundance of safety pins. Lots of fun times back in high school. Between my stepdad and the kids that tired to pick on me I stopped because it wasn't worth it at the time. Thank god I hated my picture being taken because I was mess as a teenager.
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: Randi on December 10, 2013, 02:26:18 PM
When I was in the second grade, at halloween, I wore a witch costume with a floor length black dress, petticoat, full face mask, black wig and pointy hat.   I have two nieces who were older and they had worn this costume.

I wore it at my grade school's costume competition and won second prize in the whole school.  I was beat out by a robot costume that consisted of boxes and tubing.

When the principal awarded me the prize, a checker set, he said that none of the teachers could figure out who I was?:  What's your name little girl?   I had to tell them that I was a boy.

In the first grade the teacher wrote on the blackboard, "I am a girl, I go to school" and "I am a boy, I go to school".   We were told to copy the sentence that applied.  You know which one I wrote.

I really thought I was able to make that choice.  I really wanted to be a girl.... Still do!

Randi

Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: suzifrommd on December 10, 2013, 03:08:13 PM
Never crossdressed until I started questioning my gender a bit more than a year ago. Never was interested in it. I only did it to see what it would feel like.

Of course once I had done it once, it called to me in a way I can't explain.
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: Devlyn on December 10, 2013, 03:25:59 PM
My favourite line: "Crossdressing chose me."

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,25482.0.html

Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: SuzieB on December 11, 2013, 03:28:07 PM
I went straight for my mom's clothing when I was first left home alone at the age of 8. I remember it clearly... panties, bra, dress. It felt so amazing, because it's something I'd been needing to do for years by that point. Whenever I was in a situation where I knew I wouldn't get caught, I went straight for my mom or sisters' closets. I was good at covering my tracks, though, and they never discovered me. Later, i dressed openly with my two spouses while I was still living as a male. Those experiences were fun, but awkward and tense as my partners were not okay with my transness. I finally decided to take hormones and begin transition, and it was around this time that I wore male clothes to my therapist's office, changed into female mode in his bathroom, and went home as a woman. I don't/can't drive, so I had to walk to a bus stop and ride it home. I was so terrified and exhilarated to be out in public in the correct clothing. I expected every car that passed me to slow down and yell transgender slurs out the window. On the way to the bus stop, I realized I had to pee really REALLY bad, and I ducked into a grocery store hoping for a single-stall bathroom. I carry a white cane (blindness), and when I was forced to choose between a men or women's bathroom, I decided I'd use the men's to avoid trouble. A woman saw me entering the men's room, and said, "No, no, no honey! Wrong bathroom", and she physically redirected me to the women's room. Later, when I got on the bus home, the driver referred to me as "ma'am". At that point, I figured I was striking most people as female, and I began to relax and enjoy the clothing and the status I was assigned by those around me. It was a great, reassuring experience, and the culmination of experiences of this kind gave me the courage to shed my socially-conservative upbringing and pursue full transition. No regrets!!
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: DrBobbi on December 11, 2013, 03:44:28 PM
puberty, the publicly last weekend at a party in WeHo, then at my favorite neighborhood restaurant. it felt natural and, in the end, anticlimactic. I could have done without the shaving.
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: RavenMoon on December 11, 2013, 04:23:06 PM
First time was maybe 4 or 5 years old? I asked my mom to paint my finger and toe nails, and I have a memory at some point of her putting a frilly dress on me, probably because I asked her to.

Later on when I was a tween and from then on when ever I could. Worse nail polish and girls' clothes in high school (no dresses though, and it's a wonder I never got beat up). No so much when I was married the last 9 years, as I had little privacy, but I still did sometimes.

Now that I have decide to transition, finally, I do wear lots of unisex girl's clothing, like jeans and tops, and I paint my finger and toe nails, and have been growing my hair (again, just cut it shoulder length a few months back, which was a mistake).

My 22 year old son lives with me, so again, little privacy, except when he's out.

But I did just buy myself this dress.  :)

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.raven-nevermore.com%2Fimages%2Fnew_dress_day.jpg&hash=4adcf08140ecff302c5d81a537a1a419b5c9b8ef)

I have no plans on dressing as a female in public until I can pull it off... so after I start HRT, have my facial hair removed, and some FFS. A cis female friend of mine keeps telling me I look fine, and have a cute face, but I have a big nose for a woman, and that has to go! lol
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: kasika on December 11, 2013, 04:31:44 PM
I don't remember when i started but definitely when i was a kid, in private and i was home alone. In Public, not yet!
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: IMsteph on December 11, 2013, 04:45:07 PM
I put my mother's girdle on at about 7, and didn't try anything else for 50 years. I guess that girdle thing wasn't a very good experience. I've been wearing skirts and dresses in private for a couple years. I've worn a sarong in public a couple times. I like sarongs because you can vary the length according to your mood and the circumstances.
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: evecrook on December 11, 2013, 04:57:17 PM
Quote from: RavenMoon on December 11, 2013, 04:23:06 PM
First time was maybe 4 or 5 years old? I asked my mom to paint my finger and toe nails, and I have a memory at some point of her putting a frilly dress on me, probably because I asked her to.

Later on when I was a tween and from then on when ever I could. Worse nail polish and girls' clothes in high school (no dresses though, and it's a wonder I never got beat up). No so much when I was married the last 9 years, as I had little privacy, but I still did sometimes.

Now that I have decide to transition, finally, I do wear lots of unisex girl's clothing, like jeans and tops, and I paint my finger and toe nails, and have been growing my hair (again, just cut it shoulder length a few months back, which was a mistake).

My 22 year old son lives with me, so again, little privacy, except when he's out.

But I did just buy myself this dress.  :)

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.raven-nevermore.com%2Fimages%2Fnew_dress_day.jpg&hash=4adcf08140ecff302c5d81a537a1a419b5c9b8ef)

I have no plans on dressing as a female in public until I can pull it off... so after I start HRT, have my facial hair removed, and some FFS. A cis female friend of mine keeps telling me I look fine, and have a cute face, but I have a big nose for a woman, and that has to go! lol
The dress looks nice
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: RavenMoon on December 11, 2013, 05:29:19 PM
Quote from: evecrook on December 11, 2013, 04:57:17 PM
                   The dress looks nice

Thanks! It's actually a little too long, so I'm holding it up with my other hand.  lol  That's the problem with being short.  :-\

I'm going to drop it off to the taylor up the street.

But still, it put a smile on my face, just as fitting into size 8 petite skinny jeans did yesterday.  ;D
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: Devlyn on December 11, 2013, 06:57:09 PM
Quote from: RavenMoon on December 11, 2013, 04:23:06 PM
First time was maybe 4 or 5 years old? I asked my mom to paint my finger and toe nails, and I have a memory at some point of her putting a frilly dress on me, probably because I asked her to.

Later on when I was a tween and from then on when ever I could. Worse nail polish and girls' clothes in high school (no dresses though, and it's a wonder I never got beat up). No so much when I was married the last 9 years, as I had little privacy, but I still did sometimes.

Now that I have decide to transition, finally, I do wear lots of unisex girl's clothing, like jeans and tops, and I paint my finger and toe nails, and have been growing my hair (again, just cut it shoulder length a few months back, which was a mistake).

My 22 year old son lives with me, so again, little privacy, except when he's out.

But I did just buy myself this dress.  :)

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.raven-nevermore.com%2Fimages%2Fnew_dress_day.jpg&hash=4adcf08140ecff302c5d81a537a1a419b5c9b8ef)

I have no plans on dressing as a female in public until I can pull it off... so after I start HRT, have my facial hair removed, and some FFS. A cis female friend of mine keeps telling me I look fine, and have a cute face, but I have a big nose for a woman, and that has to go! lol

Blue dresses get a thumbs up from me!

Hugs, Devlyn
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: Cassandra Hyacinth on December 11, 2013, 07:06:07 PM
I don't remember ever doing so, and I have no intentions of doing so in the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: RavenMoon on December 11, 2013, 07:07:42 PM
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on December 11, 2013, 06:57:09 PM
Blue dresses get a thumbs up from me!

Hugs, Devlyn

It's actually black, but blue is my favorite color. I'll get a blue one next time. :)
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: Joan on December 11, 2013, 07:13:30 PM
That dress looks nice on you, and you can't have enough black dresses I'm told :D

I first wore my sister's stuff when I was about 6. I was pretty good at covering my tracks too and I don't think anyone ever knew.

I remember the double heartbreak of puberty: first the arrival of body hair, then growing too big for my sister's clothes and shoes :(

I hated you, puberty :)
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: RavenMoon on December 11, 2013, 07:56:39 PM
Quote from: Joan on December 11, 2013, 07:13:30 PM
That dress looks nice on you, and you can't have enough black dresses I'm told :D

Thank you!

And this is true! Most of my clothes are black. My 8 year old daughter was shocked to see me in pink socks for the first time. I'm trying to add some color. ;) Of course she thought they were girl's socks. They were, but I told her boys can wear pink. ;) (I'll cross that bridge when I get there). She's used to me wearing nail polish though, but the socks? Go figure.

QuoteI first wore my sister's stuff when I was about 6. I was pretty good at covering my tracks too and I don't think anyone ever knew.

I had a girlfriend catch me one time with girl's panties on! I remember they were white lace. Cognitive dissonance set in, and the only thing she could think of was they belonged to someone else! I told her I just liked them. Another time she wondered why I had shaved my legs. This was back in the late 70s. We are still friends on Facebook, and I told her I was transgendered just recently. I said "looking back on this, maybe this isn't a surprise"... but it was. She had no idea. My ex wife on the other hand said; "now it all makes sense!" She was referring to my personality, interests, and mannerisms.

QuoteI remember the double heartbreak of puberty: first the arrival of body hair, then growing too big for my sister's clothes and shoes :(

I hated you, puberty :)

Oh God yes! I remember it like it was yesterday... my first public hair! I pulled it out!  :o  It was all down hill from there.  :'(  I got hairier, but never grew any bigger though. Sometimes that bothered me, as I was often much smaller than most of the girls I was dating (one was 6ft tall!), but now I am eternally grateful!
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: stephaniec on October 16, 2014, 03:19:16 PM
private at  4, public at 34
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: angie on October 16, 2014, 08:51:32 PM
Started at a friends at 4 or 5 wasn't hard for her to talk me into it, have my first GT app, tomorrow at  39 and going dressed! Hope hrt soon to fallow!
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: Ali girl on October 16, 2014, 09:14:31 PM
I would say also around 4 or 5.  My sister had an abundance of clothes and I was more than happy to hide them...   As I hit puberty, I loved skirts and dresses...  Even in my 20's skirts, tights, and heels.  Overcompensation I guess....   After starting hormones... I still love them, but I prefer my Diva jeans (wife says they fit my personality), runners, and unisex or ladies tops.   I guess with the changes it is more about the feel of my body than the clothes...

First public, I was 19 and ventured out to meet a girl I meet of another forum...  She was a huge help, but I stopped going because I am not a bar type gal. 

I don't drink, but I smoke more than a blue hair on a heater playing slots in Reno...
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: devon14 on October 17, 2014, 10:01:18 AM
I wore dresses since I was 12 or so. I wanted to do so earlier around the age of 8 or 9 but had no convenient access to female clothing.

Always scolded myself for having the desire to want to be female bodied and dress in female attire so I would only do it off and on throughout my early years.

Now I wear them all the time in public and in private. Been on HRT for over 6 months!  ;D
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: noleen111 on October 17, 2014, 10:12:37 AM
Quote from: Joan on December 11, 2013, 07:13:30 PM
That dress looks nice on you, and you can't have enough black dresses I'm told :D


That is so true... every woman must have at least one black little number in their closet..

ok now my answer.

I seem to be a late bloomer... I remember wanting to be a girl or wondering what it felt like to a little girl at a young age around 5 or 6. but I only actually had a desire to wear womens clothing at 14. Then I wore my first pair of pantyhose hose.... I wore my first skirt at 16. I am ashamed to say I stole that skirt from a girl at school.. she had a cheer leader skirt in her bag and i saw it and had a strong desire to wear it.. so I took it.. and tried it on later at home. (I always had some alone time after school). I loved wearing that skirt, i actually still have it.. but it dont fit.. HRt widened my hips.

My first dress (which I bought)... I wore at 19.. I went out publicly dressed as woman hmm around 20. Now at 24... almost 25.. as a fulltime woman.. I wear a skirt everyday as it part of my work uniform.. I work in retail. I love wearing dresses/skirts and don't wear pants a lot, in the summers months not at all.

Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: Julia-Madrid on October 17, 2014, 10:53:26 AM
I probably was 7 when I tried my sister's dresses, secretly in the bathroom, rescueing them from the laundry bin.   Then, once for a lark in my early 20s for a new year's party. 

Since I went full time in July, I wear dresses all the time.  They're wonderfully versatile and I look good in them.

xxx
J
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: Mariah on October 17, 2014, 11:05:36 AM
Somewhere between 8 and 10 when I was privately dressing via the dresses my sister had. The first time publicly I had worn a dress out was late 2005.
Mariah
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: Rose City Rose on October 17, 2014, 01:12:43 PM
I never really did it before.  I now have two skirts in my wardrobe as of late September and I think I'll wear them now and then, though I'm still partial to jeans and what I really want is to be able to wear leggings without an unsightly bulge. >.<
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: Ali girl on October 17, 2014, 01:26:49 PM
Quote from: Rose City Rose on October 17, 2014, 01:12:43 PM
I never really did it before.  I now have two skirts in my wardrobe as of late September and I think I'll wear them now and then, though I'm still partial to jeans and what I really want is to be able to wear leggings without an unsightly bulge. >.<

Totally feel you on leggins! Super comfortable...
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: April Lee on October 17, 2014, 01:56:33 PM
The first time I ever went out was this last July 6th. Previous to that, I had only been putting on female clothes  at home a little bit more than 2 months. Never did it before that.
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: Tessa James on October 17, 2014, 03:06:56 PM
My limited cross dressing in private lasted about 20 years.  After accepting myself as trans in late 2012 I started the New Year right and went public FT and did not wear anything but skirts and dresses for about six months.  Now I find my comfort range includes jeans, capris and scorts.  This freedom to wear what feels good is incredibly liberating and empowering for me.  The rainbow tutu in my pic is for special occasions like gay pride and Halloween.
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: Nicole on October 17, 2014, 04:07:33 PM
Never had a second of cross dressing in my life.
The first dress or skirt I ever wore was after I came out and started living full time.
Title: Re: how long have you worn dresses or skirts in private or public
Post by: stephaniec on October 17, 2014, 06:14:23 PM
I always fantasized having a full  wardrobe of skirts and dresses from very early on with no male clothes to be found. All I have left to dispose  of is  a suite  and three pair  of work jeans