So just wondering, with the chances of a society melt down growing every day, how do you plan on preventing detransitioning?
I know there are plenty of ways to do it, but honestly one of them...ordering meds online without a prescription....scares the hell out of me.
Im interested in hearing yalls response.
Hi sis! I will PM you with my plans. I do have some. :)
Honestly if society melts down, not sure transitioning would be on top of my list - rather just surviving. Course what kind of society melt down we talking about here? o.o
I don't know if there is a chance of this collapse you speak of, but if somehow one were to happen, I'd probably be SOL for hormones and other medications. I'd focus on survival.
What else would there be to do?
Quote from: Thylacin on January 02, 2014, 12:33:12 AM
I don't know if there is a chance of this collapse you speak of, but if somehow one were to happen, I'd probably be SOL for hormones and other medications. I'd focus on survival.
What else would there be to do?
Here in the US, it's VERY possible. Most people seem to think if there are riots, social unrest, a storm, nuclear meltdown or earthquake our military will save us and keep us safe....thing is they can't. There is a law preventing our military from acting on US soil. The most that can happen is the national guard can provide police support. Now knowing that police response time right now is an average of 4-10 min, in the event of riots, Solar Flare related EMP (will leave the world in the dark for 3-5 years) or general social unrest....i want to be 100% self sustainable, be able to protect myself, my family and my food/water...even if it means taking a life.
If you aren't prepared.....i feel sorry for you and really hope you start before it's too late.
Sorry, but the Posse Comitatus has been lifted. The military can now act on U.S. soil against us citizens. It is one of the reasons I stopped being a reserve Deputy Sheriff. I can't support that.
Quote from: kariann330 on January 01, 2014, 11:25:46 PM
. . . how do you plan on preventing detransitioning?...ordering meds online without a prescription....scares the hell out of me.
Why is that? With entire South Pacific also about to be *
nuke irradiated* even that option will likely be gone sooner than later. Never could understand such utter trans dependence on the purely corrupt, pharma profit based 'US medical establishment'. If one researches and take the correct, safe & truly effective meds (like the rest of the world) "detransition" wouldn't really be a problem.
"Trans" have been around for thousands of years . . .
revert back to what the past did? THINK NOT!
After an almost 3 year hiatus with NO MEDS at all have restarted recently purely for getting older replacement 'health reasons" . . . but then again I've remained "pre-op", there's always more than one way to deal with 'unused junk'. Biggest prob has been weight gain am 6' would like to get back to 150 lbs!
My
ultimate fantasy (thinking of another recent thread) IS rooted in
PARADOX . . . to get "ma'am" 100% of the time while otherwise still nominally dressing/presenting AS MALE! LOL "
Your Bad Not Mine!" "Transition" is a pure
self-confidence game and it seems like many of us are our
unhappy own worst enemy!
Quote from: Jessica Merriman on January 02, 2014, 03:13:57 AM
Sorry, but the Posse Comitatus has been lifted.
If you live on the west coast U.S. I suggest think about moving for starters. Many have already fled to TX area
much to their libertarian, anti-authoritarian chagrin. The true ocean effects of Fukushima are due to hit in another month or two. And THATS assuming current situation Japan doesn't get worse odds are it will, only matter of time! (
see here: prisonplanet.com/is-the-government-stockpiling-iodine-in-preparation-for-fukushima-meltdown.html )
Looking at the US from over here I don't see any signs of meltdown.
Maybe there are areas where the people didn't respond fast enough to change and are suffering accordingly but thats what happens to dinosaurs.
I hear Canada or Europe is nice.
Try Oz instead. Nice weather and beaches with only a bit of snow.
Just put on your ruby slippers and wish yourself here.
It's no place like home....
Quote from: Alainaluvsu on January 02, 2014, 06:21:11 AM
I hear Canada or Europe is nice.
What a cunning good plan. Although the idea of loading up to the nines with RPGs, AKs and Oreos still tickles me. Anyway, you'd have to ask my nurse about prepping. She knows all.
nice quiet lake middle of canada
orchi to prevent backslide (already performed...just covering my bases) and essentially go into menopause....eat raw adrenals and ovaries from butchered livestock...eat foods high in estrogen receptor agonists (I.E. phytoestrogens)
I used to listen to Bible prophecy in the 80's, when the cold war was raging, but nothing happened. Then Y2K, with Art Bell, and in those days, from the 70's to 2011, when I finally transitioned and found happiness for the first time in my life, I was hoping, deep down, that something would end my self hate and suffering. I'm not saying this country couldn't fall apart, but people have been predicting man's demise for as long as man's been around. Ironically, many of the right wing Christians out there in the Bible Belt and everywhere in America, really, believe that the LGBT movement and us finally being protected from them by laws, will be the main reason that this country will go the way of Sodom and Gomorrah. I wasted decades of not transitioning because of all the ->-bleeped-<-e I listened to, but I'm going to die someday, but now it's going to be as the woman I've always been. If I could get my SRS today I would, but I'm going to get it ASAP. I still listen to Coast to Coast sometimes, but I take much of it with a pillar of salt, and Alex Jones has gotten millions to believe the Russians and Chinese are already here, FEMA has millions of plastic caskets stashed around the country and it's time to buy your AK's and AR-15's. I actually heard some pretty mainstream preachers talk about how to make your home look like it had already been raided and ransacked when Y2K hit. I simply don't believe the men and women in our military would just let our country be taken over by the right wing zealots and not only let our rights be trampled on, but that they'd be a part of it against their friends and neighbors. If it happens, it happens. I have several months of meds. I'm far more frightened by the fact that if all this happened I'd be SOL in obtaining pain meds that I'm undoubtedly addicted to. Now that does scare me! Mira
I suspect if global Armageddon happens, where I get my estrogen will be the least of my concerns. :) ;)
Having watched this storm approaching from a distance for many years and taking all practical steps I now believe that being watchful up to a point and emulating the attitude of Mad Magazine's Alfred E. Newman with "What me worry?" is the most positive means of avoiding unnecessary anxiety over something we have absolutely no control over.
I have two shoe boxes with full of hormones to last me at least another year. I stacked up on extra prior to coming out in fear that I would not have the money to transition if I was fired from my job. After that year I'll have to figure out some sort of raid on a medical facility.
I dont believe its going to happen (but my BF does) and if it did (which it wont) I would be able to easily get my hormones. Hopefully by this time I will have had SRS so AAs wont be an issue and if I didn't get them it wouldnt be the end of the world. Haha...but i would go to the most obvious place: the pharmacy! People would loot phamacies for the opiates and benzos and penicillin and pseudo and all that but I'm guessing most of the looters will be men so they will prolly see a a big pill bottle labeled ESTROGEN they will leave it alone and prolly wont even touch it for fear of it seeping into their skin. Most men's worst nightmare is turning into a woman. But that's my plan. I'll hit the pharmacy. I figure I would 12,800 pills to last me. So, that's a lot of pharmacies I hope it doent intefere with my other job of being scared to death that the world ended. But I dont understabd if the world ended I wouldnt care about transition line of thought. This should eb the most important thing to you. This is why some people wake up one day and are like wought woah i turned myself into a woman. ->-bleeped-<-. i wait i cant. i need a guy to do that for me. JK but seriously why wouldnt transition be important in a global meltdown....would your desire to be female cease? Mine wouldn't. But i'm passing the point of no return so meltdown or not im going to be pretty female forever like it or not. Yay!
Considering prescriptions for extra meds. Doctor already gave me twice the injectable E I usually get for six months without refills. But may get a backup supply of pills to cover another six months.
I have tons of Top Ramen, Rice A Roni, canned meat and fruit, plus a freezer full of fresh fruit and vegitables for use this winter when I get back to Michigan. Also cleared a couple acres on the family farm to plant a large garden this spring, and that goes in when the snow melts. Just didn't get firewood cut, so connecting the woodstove isn't going to happen.
Firearms? A lot of people thnk they aren't needed, but yes I own a small antique collection, and many modern guns. In California I keep a 38 Special revolver with a speed loader close by, and in Michigan I have an antique top break 38 revolver. Both have shot shells reloaded in number 6 or 8 shot to make aim less critical. I believe in self protection, and usually carry pepper spray in the car since I don't have a ccw yet.
all pharms have a shelf life.....a mass stockpile of pills would eventually be essentially placebo
Quote from: kariann330 on January 02, 2014, 01:28:20 AM
Here in the US, it's VERY possible. Most people seem to think if there are riots, social unrest, a storm, nuclear meltdown or earthquake our military will save us and keep us safe....thing is they can't. There is a law preventing our military from acting on US soil. The most that can happen is the national guard can provide police support. Now knowing that police response time right now is an average of 4-10 min, in the event of riots, Solar Flare related EMP (will leave the world in the dark for 3-5 years) or general social unrest....i want to be 100% self sustainable, be able to protect myself, my family and my food/water...even if it means taking a life.
If you aren't prepared.....i feel sorry for you and really hope you start before it's too late.
If the world goes crazy it goes crazy, no amount of prepping will prepare anyone for that. Nor can we tell what will happen.
Even if you stock a whole bomb shelter with enough supplies to survive for years - you can't guarantee that you'll make it in alive, or that someone else will.
I guess what I am saying is, it is not worth worrying about if or when the world is falling apart. -shrug-
Quote from: Joanna Dark on January 02, 2014, 09:56:11 AM
I dont believe its going to happen (but my BF does) and if it did (which it wont) I would be able to easily get my hormones. Hopefully by this time I will have had SRS so AAs wont be an issue and if I didn't get them it wouldnt be the end of the world. Haha...but i would go to the most obvious place: the pharmacy! People would loot phamacies for the opiates and benzos and penicillin and pseudo and all that but I'm guessing most of the looters will be men so they will prolly see a a big pill bottle labeled ESTROGEN they will leave it alone and prolly wont even touch it for fear of it seeping into their skin. Most men's worst nightmare is turning into a woman. But that's my plan. I'll hit the pharmacy. I figure I would 12,800 pills to last me. So, that's a lot of pharmacies I hope it doent intefere with my other job of being scared to death that the world ended. But I dont understabd if the world ended I wouldnt care about transition line of thought. This should eb the most important thing to you. This is why some people wake up one day and are like wought woah i turned myself into a woman. <not allowed>. i wait i cant. i need a guy to do that for me. JK but seriously why wouldnt transition be important in a global meltdown....would your desire to be female cease? Mine wouldn't. But i'm passing the point of no return so meltdown or not im going to be pretty female forever like it or not. Yay!
It's not that I wouldn't care. More like I probably won't be alive to care one way or not. Under such bleak circumstances, I'd imagine our way of life will be the same at all. The possibility of transitioning and a stable healthcare system is likely to go away. Even if it would bother me should I survive, I'd imagine survival mode would kick in and I'd be like an animal just thinking of only food and water. I'm imagining everyone would act like zombies on instinct. Good thing this isn't likely to happen.
Quote from: Aina on January 02, 2014, 10:21:44 AM
If the world goes crazy it goes crazy, no amount of prepping will prepare anyone for that. Nor can we tell what will happen.
Even if you stock a whole bomb shelter with enough supplies to survive for years - you can't guarantee that you'll make it in alive, or that someone else will.
I guess what I am saying is, it is not worth worrying about if or when the world is falling apart. -shrug-
Agreed. Preparing for emergencies is fine, but you can't prevent the end of the world should it come to that.
Quote from: Aina on January 02, 2014, 10:21:44 AM
If the world goes crazy it goes crazy, no amount of prepping will prepare anyone for that. Nor can we tell what will happen.
Even if you stock a whole bomb shelter with enough supplies to survive for years - you can't guarantee that you'll make it in alive, or that someone else will.
I guess what I am saying is, it is not worth worrying about if or when the world is falling apart. -shrug-
Quote from: learningtolive on January 02, 2014, 10:30:16 AM
Agreed. Preparing for emergencies is fine, but you can't prevent the end of the world should it come to that.
I'm not worried or preoccupied with Armageddon, but there's always a possibility of economic collapse like in 1929. I just kind of work towards being a self sustaining individual, and being protected. And for now I want self protection from the whacked out bigots that seem to creep me out every couple months. (Honestly, some of them scare the crap out of me.)
Quote from: learningtolive on January 02, 2014, 10:30:16 AM
Good thing this isn't likely to happen.
Don't be too sure! A US government study concluded that a nuclear initiated high altitude electromagnetic pulse (HEMP) would culminate in the greatest disaster ever for the infrastructure and US population. Private estimates are that within three months a great percentage of the population will have ceased to exist. Now that this information has been presented on the Internet for the innovative third world enemies dedicated to the destruction of this country it's just a matter of time before some group with very little assets pulls something like this off. Don't worry about what no-one has any control over, it's a waste of your life's energy.
http://www.todaysengineer.org/2007/Sep/HEMP.asp (http://www.todaysengineer.org/2007/Sep/HEMP.asp)
Whatever happens is what happens. I honestly don't care about that anymore. I already went through a damn panic over this several years back. The way I see it, if everything finally breaks down and it's a hell on earth, there is always suicide.
Grim and depressing?
Yes.
But I am no way in hell worrying myself sick over things I have no control over. Prepping will only get you so far in the long term. I'm not knocking people that do it. I'm just saying if you have 2 or 3 years worth of supplies on hand, what are you going to do if/when that runs out and things could still be in a barbaric state of utter chaos?
Hell, look what some idiots do on friggin Black Friday and that's just for cheaply made, disposable 'consumer goods' that may be fun but don't mean a damn thing in the end. Meh..if it all breaks down, I will just hunker down here at home and if I am faced with starvation or slashing my veins then I know how it's going to go.
But, if the whole theory about FEMA camps turns out to be true. I am not going to one of them either. (At least, not unless it's being taken out in a body bag.)
I just don't care. Will I fight for my own survival if need be? Sure
But do I care about dying through one form or another?
Nope. We all die sometime anyway.
Quote from: Laura Squirrel on January 02, 2014, 10:53:53 AM
Whatever happens is what happens. I honestly don't care about that anymore. I already went through a damn panic over this several years back. The way I see it, if everything finally breaks down and it's a hell on earth, there is always suicide.
Grim and depressing?
Hell, look what some idiots do on friggin Black Friday and that's just for cheaply made, disposable 'consumer goods' that may be fun but don't mean a damn thing in the end. Meh..if it all breaks down, I will just hunker down here at home and if I am faced with starvation or slashing my veins then I know how it's going to go.
Good points Laura, but what about the porcupine? :D ;D
Quote from: Shantel on January 02, 2014, 11:07:44 AM
Good points Laura, but what about the porcupine? :D ;D
Well, then that won't matter.
squirrels do pretty good surviving harsh conditions
Wow.....just wow....some of yalls responses make me really glad that im not only armed to the teeth, 1,000+ rounds of each 9mm, 5.56 & 7.62x39 but also have an underground bunker with NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical) air filter but also have my own water supply and food supply which continues to grow weekly.
To the question of what about when my supplies run out? My bunker has a hydroponics lab in case im still in it, if not then my bug out location has enough land that i can grow my own food and ill bow hunt my meat.
Quote from: Oriah on January 02, 2014, 10:02:27 AM
all pharms have a shelf life.....a mass stockpile of pills would eventually be essentially placebo
The US Army did a study and concluded that most medications last for a long time. Their words just kidding. They studied medications and concluded that after 17 years most meds retain their effectiveness. They don't expire. I found two xanax from 2007 and they worked like a charm. that's 7 years old.
Quote from: kariann330 on January 02, 2014, 11:32:18 AM
To the question of what about when my supplies run out? My bunker has a hydroponics lab in case im still in it, if not then my bug out location has enough land that i can grow my own food and ill bow hunt my meat.
I have deer and bear on my land with a trout stream running though it. There's wild berries, apples and cherries, along with a lot of other wild edibles. My cousins trap beaver and muscrat in my stream and there's a small building that can be heated with a mini-woodstove, so I'd nave no problem with self sustaining on 60 acres.
Quote from: kariann330 on January 02, 2014, 11:32:18 AM
Wow.....just wow....some of yalls responses make me really glad that im not only armed to the teeth, 1,000+ rounds of each 9mm, 5.56 & 7.62x39 but also have an underground bunker with NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical) air filter but also have my own water supply and food supply which continues to grow weekly.
To the question of what about when my supplies run out? My bunker has a hydroponics lab in case im still in it, if not then my bug out location has enough land that i can grow my own food and ill bow hunt my meat.
So you have all this stuff but you cant afford hormones? Why not sell a gun or two and go support your transition hormonally for a year. Add another 200 (a couple boxes of shells) and voila, laser. Im not knocking you, but you come here a lot and really seem to want to get back on HRT, so why not part with some of the weapons and start transition? If not now, then when? Seriously, transition has to come first and if you're not willing to do that maybe you're not ready yet. These are just words and im thinking out loud. Just think about it. But if I wasnt on HRT and I had your assets I would sell them all to support my transition. I basically have nothingbeause I sold my poseesions and everything to transition both hormonally and socially with my BF.
Sell my guns......uhhh nope....sell my amo....nope....and i have a plan for getting back on hrt....i have been working temp to hire jobs but have been laid off a lot...either its slow business, or Obummers tightening grip on the balls of the manufacturing industry. While working temp to hire, i prep my ass off. Once i hire in tho, i prep less and restart my transition....why wait you wonder? Because ill be making more money then i am now, about $15usd/hr, I'll have insurance and won't have to foot the $200 doctors visit myself.
With my knowledge on history I highly doubt something like that would happen anytime soon. Only a few times did we see social unrest get that severe and honestly I can only think of the black plague really. It would most certainly have to come from running out of fossil fuels and/or global climate change. It is our actions towards our planet that we must be worried about. Also our president is not coming to take our guns, if he really wanted to why would he let gun laws become more lax in this country in the past year?
Quote from: kariann330 on January 02, 2014, 12:11:37 PM
Sell my guns......uhhh nope....sell my amo....nope....and i have a plan for getting back on hrt....i have been working temp to hire jobs but have been laid off a lot...either its slow business, or Obummers tightening grip on the balls of the manufacturing industry. While working temp to hire, i prep my ass off. Once i hire in tho, i prep less and restart my transition....why wait you wonder? Because ill be making more money then i am now, about $15usd/hr, I'll have insurance and won't have to foot the $200 doctors visit myself.
I'll be giving a lot of my guns to my boys, but I'll keep what I like, and would never sell them. Giving up my FFL also so I don't have to worry about that anymore. I'm keeping 4 ammo boxes of the stuff I like to shoot, even if I don't shoot as much as I'd like.
Quote from: kariann330 on January 02, 2014, 11:32:18 AM
Wow.....just wow....some of yalls responses make me really glad that im not only armed to the teeth, 1,000+ rounds of each 9mm, 5.56 & 7.62x39 but also have an underground bunker with NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical) air filter but also have my own water supply and food supply which continues to grow weekly.
To the question of what about when my supplies run out? My bunker has a hydroponics lab in case im still in it, if not then my bug out location has enough land that i can grow my own food and ill bow hunt my meat.
Well, I don't want to come off as snarky here but, honestly,...look...Not everyone has the money nor the means to do that. I've heard the usual stuff on Infowars and whatnot in the comments sections with people saying "while you were wasting your life being a mindless consumerist drone, I was preparing for this." etc, etc.
Well...I've known for a very long time that things have been falling apart, but again, I don't have the means nor the dough to build a bunker with 10 years of rations. Honestly, I see that whole argument as not being too far off from the whole "Well, I saved money for SRS and you didn't" argument since both of them boil down to money and all that.
Like I said before, everyone dies someday and that is the way it goes. Will I fight and resist if things get REALLY bad and turn down a very dark road in this nation's history?
Yes.
But I want to live my life and not worry myself sick over things that I have no control over. Been there, done that as I said before.
This thread has given me the giggles.
Self sustainability is good. Go for it if you wish.
But, America is a funny country, and this whole survivalist paranoia thing is primarily an American thing.
It really comes down to political polarization.
When a Republican is in charge, the Democrats blame him for everything. 9/11 probably would have happened if Gore was president and the economy would have tanked if Kerry had won.
When a Democrat is in charge, Republicans/Libertarians get all survivalist... I think Waco sealed that deal...
It is a fascinating cycle. We are prone to pessimism when the party we do not like is in power, we can feel helpless. We are also prone to belief in conspiracy theories. Since JFK and Vietnam, a majority of people believe in at least one conspiracy theory.
Worldwide, minorities (often Jews), artists and LGBT people are among the first to be judged and blamed in times of crisis... so it is not entirely stupid to think about such things. I admit I have. Within weeks of 9/11, the Jews were being tied to conspiracy theories and the gays were being blamed by televangelists.
Historically though, groups of people have been convinced of their impending doom more often than they have been faced with it.
So I admit, this thread gave me the giggles. We are the few, the proud the survivalist estrogen huntresses!
True, we could spend our whole lives worrying and planning for every type of crazy eventuality. But I see that as time lost when we could instead just be living and enjoying what precious little time we have on the planet. Unless it becomes all encompassing and it takes over your life leaving little else, at which point you're so entrenched, the only way to make life worthwhile is to make 'it' happen and 'it' becomes a self-fulling prophecy.
Quote from: Tori on January 02, 2014, 02:14:02 PM
I think Waco sealed that deal...
Nah, what seals the deal is when your own government puts out disinformation making it easy to dislike some religious cult or political faction via the media thus enabling people to look the other way as they begin murdering fellow Americans like at Waco and Ruby Ridge. People begin to realize that if it can happen to them it can happen to any of us.
That is exactly what I meant.
Waco was Ruby Ridge on steroids. Also, didn't Ruby Ridge happen on Bush Sr.'s watch? It didn't quite fit the point I was making.
Quote from: Tori on January 02, 2014, 02:39:05 PM
That is exactly what I meant.
Waco was Ruby Ridge on steroids. Also, didn't Ruby Ridge happen on Bush Sr.'s watch? It didn't quite fit the point I was making.
Actually Tori, it's not about parties, most people don't get it, but the two party system is just smoke and mirrors, an antagonist vs protagonist operating just like the former Soviet Union vs the US did on a global scale to keep the rest of the world in step. It's the government that is out of control and both parties are culpable partners in a disaster that's unfolding while we are being mentally and emotionally manipulated via the media. Meanwhile the vote gives you a sense of purpose and self empowerment and you take sides thinking it will accomplish something, but it only creates more polarity and division until something happens and we all find ourselves under Marshal Law.
As a wise scientist once said, Man's continued dominance on the planet will always be at the mercy of the Virus. Doesn't have to be political. Just saying............... :)
What, I have to stock up on stakes and crucifixes too? I think this Earth could do much better without us. So bring it on!
I really think we have similar views on this topic Shantel, I just explained it in a way that had you objecting.
The very idea of one party being in control rather than another can effect the mindset of a great percentage of this country's population... but when it comes down to it, the differences are much smaller than they are advertised to be.
Forgive me, I tried to make a political post that did not step on any toes. I may have muddied my point to avoid starting a conflict. Also, I see this as primarily an American discussion and wanted to add some context for non Americans viewing this thread who may not understand our tradition of guns and survivalism.
I figure in most social collapse scenarios I'll be just fine looting every pharmacy in town. I'm sure others will beat me to the pain killers and antibiotics, but I can't imagine estrogen being high on your average persons survival list. ;D
Quote from: missadventure on January 02, 2014, 03:21:47 PM
I can't imagine estrogen being high on your average persons survival list. ;D
That's what I am counting on! Don't forget Veterinarians have the stuff also. I mean, what is so great about the end of civilization if a girl can't look and feel great? ;D
have a semi-trailer ready to go and directions to Eli Lilly warehouse . Be first in line
Quote from: stephaniec on January 02, 2014, 03:35:57 PM
have a semi-trailer ready to go and directions to Eli Lilly warehouse . Be first in line
A woman after my own heart! I will provide fire team support, what line? >:-) Line's, we don't need no stinking line's! ;D
Kia Ora,
::) Paranoia=self fulfilling prophesy ...
"Those who fear they shall suffer already suffer what they fear !" Montaigne
It would seem at times Paranoia is the fifty first state of America...And its location is 'always' just around the bend ;) ;D
Metta Zenda :)
I dunno I am not really scared of social collapse, might do the world some good...
I am not scared of the end of the world and social chaos, but damn if coming out to my family doesn't scare me....gosh feel so odd...
The only thing I worry about prepping for is a hurricane and associated storm surge. And I usually have enough hormones to get through that and if I don't, I'll still live.
Quote from: Tori on January 02, 2014, 02:39:05 PM
That is exactly what I meant.
Waco was Ruby Ridge on steroids. Also, didn't Ruby Ridge happen on Bush Sr.'s watch? It didn't quite fit the point I was making.
Both happened on Bill Clinton's watch, actually I'd say at his directive...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU6ZQWnznfU
Quote from: Nikko on January 02, 2014, 05:57:49 PM
Both happened on Bill Clinton's watch, actually I'd say at his directive...
Absolutely amazing!
Especially considering Ruby Ridge happened months before the '92 election and Clinton wasn't inaugurated until Jan of '93.
;)
Quote from: Aina on January 02, 2014, 05:18:59 PM
I am not scared of the end of the world and social chaos, but damn if coming out to my family doesn't scare me....gosh feel so odd...
LMAO! You totally like nailed it Aina! *giggle*
QuoteIt is a fascinating cycle. We are prone to pessimism when the party we do not like is in power, we can feel helpless. We are also prone to belief in conspiracy theories. Since JFK and Vietnam, a majority of people believe in at least one conspiracy theory.
I'm pessimistic about government in general regardless of which party is in power. Government with too much control is a cancer regardless of their ideology, it will turn deadly either way.
I support anyone who promises to weaken the system and make the individual stronger, I don't care their party affiliation.
Quote
I figure in most social collapse scenarios I'll be just fine looting every pharmacy in town. I'm sure others will beat me to the pain killers and antibiotics, but I can't imagine estrogen being high on your average persons survival list. ;D
:D :D And water, don't forget to stock up on water!
My plan to prevent de-transition upon a societal meltdown.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTmXHvGZiSY&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTmXHvGZiSY&feature=player_embedded)
Quote from: Nikko on January 02, 2014, 06:15:48 PM
I'm pessimistic about government in general regardless of which party is in power.
I agree. I think that all politicians suck regardless of whatever side they are on. They are all the same frickin puppets anyway.
Quote from: Jessica Merriman on January 02, 2014, 03:13:57 AM
Sorry, but the Posse Comitatus has been lifted. The military can now act on U.S. soil against us citizens. It is one of the reasons I stopped being a reserve Deputy Sheriff. I can't support that.
Not really lifted, but modified by the Insurrection Act.
Quote from: Jamie D on January 02, 2014, 10:00:21 PM
Not really lifted, but modified by the Insurrection Act.
Eh way i see it is if they ever open fire on me...the usual urban patrol is 4 to 8 guys, each with an M16A4 equipped with either an EOtech or a Trijicon 4X ACOG and all are hauling about 400 rounds of 54 grain Rock River 5.56....if i live, i just got 4-8 new rifles without filling out a 4473 or having to pay for a Class 3 tax stamp and plenty more ammo....i just gotta get itout of those crappy metal magazines the military uses then play with the "fun switch" a little before more show up.
Quote from: Tori on January 02, 2014, 06:06:36 PM
Absolutely amazing!
Especially considering Ruby Ridge happened months before the '92 election and Clinton wasn't inaugurated until Jan of '93.
;)
What's so amazing about it? So I got Ruby Ridge lumped in with Waco. As I say, I don't trust anyone in power and no one should, this just supports that. In both cases our government murdered American citizens including women and children. BTW, I voted for Bill Clinton in '92, but only because I didn't realize he was a narcissistic liar and couldn't help blaming acts of domestic terrorism like the OKC bombing on radio talk show hosts, he deserves crimes being erroneously assigned to him.
Quote from: Nikko on January 03, 2014, 12:28:15 PM
BTW, I voted for Bill Clinton in '92, but only because I didn't realize her was a narcissistic liar.
And if you voted for Obama you got the EXACT same thing minus an intern hiding under his desk.
But all politicians are liars. It's all the same crap but with a different label. Classic divide & conquer tactics and people always fall for it.
Quote from: kariann330 on January 03, 2014, 12:32:23 PM
And if you voted for Obama you got the EXACT same thing minus an intern hiding under his desk.
Come on now, he has three more years. That will give you plenty more opportunities to find the intern. :)
But yeah Kariann, that is the type of polarization I was talking about yesterday.
Obama and Clinton are narcissistic liars...
But nothing about arms to Iran, Regan, "Read my lips, no new taxes." Bush senior, "Heckuva job Brownie.", "Iraq has nukes.", "I don't really care where Bin Laden is." (He really said that) Bush Junior?
Here's something funny. The closest America has come to honest presidents in modern history: Ford and Carter... look at how well they did.
Perhaps the job requires a liar and a narcissist.
Quote from: Laura Squirrel on January 03, 2014, 12:39:32 PM
But all politicians are liars. It's all the same crap but with a different label. Classic divide & conquer tactics and people always fall for it.
I believe there are some decent and honest individuals in government on both sides. It's the power structure of both sides that I find intolerable and dangerous. I vote primarily republican these days because they tend to have the more honest individuals. But honesty isn't everything, my favorite politician of all time was James Trafficant (democrat), he went to jail for a good number of years for corruption, but he bashed government so I loved him. Basically he was a criminal who hated government, works for me (but I actually think he got a little railroaded in his conviction...).
Ya Kariann... I deserved it, his lies should've been more obvious. I've stopped letting what I want to be true to affect me any longer, the truth is the truth.
*blinks* For reals? With all the difficulties and problems that we have to face as transwomen, *this* is what you're spending worry-time fretting over? I mean, wow.
I plan to take life day by day, build my worth and, should the almost impossible happen, I'll simply leave for more stable countries. I have no overly fond attachment to a particular piece of dirt, nor language, nor anything else meaningless.
All that said, let's face it munchkins, even with the collapse and economic collapse of the Soviet Union, they didn't devolve into Anarchy. At no point in the history of the world has the kind of crazy-bad happened like ya'll are fretting about (not even during the 'dark' ages) without some kind of invasion, natural disaster on a scale impossible to imagine, etc.
This is borrowing trouble, wasting your life, and pointless. Live day by day. Love who you can and get loved in return where you can find it. Build your life and resources but don't spend too much time on this kind of thing.
I'm going to cause friction with this statement but I'll say definitively that fear based political leanings lead to this kind of scarcity/end of world/societal collapse fear with no historical precedent to point to whereby they can show that societal collapse in the modern world is possible.
The most recent and relevant example of societal collapse was the Western Roman Empire (not the whole thing, just West Rome) and that was by foreign invasion, folks.
Spend your life building something, not worrying and kvetching about nothing.
P.S. - I've been quiet about this before but I'm going to start getting uppity about this kind of thing: Leave politics out of this forum, kids. It's a support site. The fact that some of us lean one way and that others lean another is divisive and the ways in which some of you address it creates very bad feelings which makes it harder for us to support each other. If ya'll want to armchair pundit or pontificate about matters gestalt and political, take it to a forum more appropriate for that purpose.
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Perhaps the job requires a liar and a narcissist.
Ya, how's that working out for us?
The no new taxes wasn't a lie BTW.
I will spam this topic until we move on from the political wankage.
Quote from: Victoria Mitchell on January 03, 2014, 12:57:35 PM
*blinks* For reals? With all the difficulties and problems that we have to face as transwomen, *this* is what you're spending worry-time fretting over? I mean, wow.
I plan to take life day by day, build my worth and, should the almost impossible happen, I'll simply leave for more stable countries. I have no overly fond attachment to a particular piece of dirt, nor language, nor anything else meaningless.
All that said, let's face it munchkins, even with the collapse and economic collapse of the Soviet Union, they didn't devolve into Anarchy. At no point in the history of the world has the kind of crazy-bad happened like ya'll are fretting about (not even during the 'dark' ages) without some kind of invasion, natural disaster on a scale impossible to imagine, etc.
This is borrowing trouble, wasting your life, and pointless. Live day by day. Love who you can and get loved in return where you can find it. Build your life and resources but don't spend too much time on this kind of thing.
I'm going to cause friction with this statement but I'll say definitively that fear based political leanings lead to this kind of scarcity/end of world/societal collapse fear with no historical precedent to point to whereby they can show that societal collapse in the modern world is possible.
The most recent and relevant example of societal collapse was the Western Roman Empire (not the whole thing, just West Rome) and that was by foreign invasion, folks.
Spend your life building something, not worrying and kvetching about nothing.
P.S. - I've been quiet about this before but I'm going to start getting uppity about this: Leave politics out of this forum, kids. It's a support site. The fact that some of us lean one way and that others lean another is divisive and the ways in which some of you address it creates very bad feelings which makes it harder for us to support each other. If ya'll want to armchair pundit or pontificate about matters gestalt and political, take it to a forum more appropriate for that purpose.
I didn't realize you were a moderator... ::)
Ok, no discussion of any political leaders in this section, got it. Any other rules you'd like to get across?
I do think politics are important to transition.
If a MTF does not trust their political system, it is often because so many of us are at the mercy of politics.
I agree the topic has digressed a bit, but nobody really has their panties in a bunch over it.
It is sad to see so many with so little faith in government, when the government is a trans citizen's ultimate gatekeeper.
Also, the fear of society failing is real. WWII was not too long ago, and it was not a good time to be gay, Jewish, subversive, artistic in most of Eurpoe for many years. It is reasonable to discuss these fears, and why people do or do not feel them.
This topic has more to do with being trans than it may seem on the surface. And again, people have been playing very fair. People with vastly differing opinions.
But... it is common for a thread to end in here once people take exception. I will do my best to stay away from this discussion for a while, in hopes that it rebounds.
Quote from: Nikko on January 03, 2014, 01:03:31 PM
I didn't realize you were a moderator... ::)
Ok, no discussion of any political leaders in this section, got it. Any other rules you'd like to get across?
I'm not a moderator but this violates ToS and is one of the most annoyingly divisive things that happen here. I'm annoyed at it and this is *NOT* the place for that.
Ya'll have other things to be concerned about other than political bashing when coming to a MtF support forum. If you don't agree with that, fine well and good but I'm fairly tired of these kinds of arguments.
Quote from: Tori on January 03, 2014, 01:08:03 PM
I do think politics are important to transition.
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Also, the fear of society failing is real. WWII was not too long ago, and it was not a good time to be gay, Jewish, subversive, artistic in most of Eurpoe for many years. It is reasonable to discuss these fears, and why people do or do not feel them.
I agree that dealing with the specific politics of the moment in regards to transpersons or whatnot is indeed very important and I could pontificate at length about how various political movements, leanings, and beliefs can affect for good or for ill the safety as a group of people like ourselves... BUT... once we devolve into "President X is a <<insert invicitive here>>" or "Anyone who supports Y (person/place/idea/bill/etc.)" then we're just in combative nonsense.
QuoteI do think politics are important to transition.
And it invades everything, has for a long time. What's the big story right now on ESPN regarding the NFL? Is it the Super Bowl? Nope, it's the Minnesota Vikings kicker who is claiming he was released due to his open support for Gay & Lesbian marriage! This kicker is out there calling the owners and staff a bunch of bigots, etc.
People shouldn't be surprised if it occurs here, especially when topics have run their course. Plus, let's not get all high and mighty about content when you enter a Doomsday Prepping topic, LOL.. :D
:police:
Lets all calm down.
I'm seeing this thread has run its path and will close it if it descends into argument.
Cindy
Well now that's calmed down I shall get on with preparing the tea. Anyone for cake?
Rosie.
Quote from: H, H, H, Honeypot! on January 03, 2014, 04:03:16 PM
Well now that's calmed down I shall get on with preparing the tea. Anyone for cake?
Rosie.
As long it's lemon cake.
Hmm. Cake is a bit rich for this time of day. Perhaps just a biscuit?
Quote from: Victoria Mitchell on January 03, 2014, 04:05:29 PM
Hmm. Cake is a bit rich for this time of day. Perhaps just a biscuit?
Do you mean a cookie? Or do you mean a Buttermilk Biscuit?
It's tea time! Biscuits = Cookie, silly goose.
I want to remind you all, this is not the food forum.
(Tori slowly backs away, tongue firmly planted in cheek.)
Shh! It's tea time and far more pleasant than what this thread was hijacked from.
I cannot BELIEVE I find myself on a site where people are uncouth enough to refuse cake. I feel somewhat nauseous at unwittingly associating with a cake denier. ;)
Rosie
Quote from: Victoria Mitchell on January 03, 2014, 04:08:51 PM
It's tea time! Biscuits = Cookie, silly goose.
I don't drink tea. :P When I think of biscuits, I think of breakfast foods. I'm a Squirrel and not a Goose. :D :D
I like tea
Quote from: H, H, H, Honeypot! on January 03, 2014, 04:13:33 PM
I cannot BELIEVE I find myself on a site where people are uncouth enough to refuse cake. I feel somewhat nauseous at unwittingly associating with a cake denier. ;)
Rosie
Oh, I'm certainly not refusing cake. I'm merely positing that it's a bit late for it here in the states (5:20pm where I'm at) and that something so rich would possibly leave me too full for dinner. No offense meant, dearest.
Anyone for another fruitcake?
Quote from: Nicolette on January 03, 2014, 05:48:44 PM
Anyone for another fruitcake?
as long as it's not from 1969
Quote from: Laura Squirrel on January 03, 2014, 04:16:40 PM
I don't drink tea. :P When I think of biscuits, I think of breakfast foods. I'm a Squirrel and not a Goose. :D :D
peanut butter is so much better with a bagel what I have had for breakfast this morning.
Quote from: stephaniec on January 03, 2014, 05:53:39 PM
as long as it's not from 1969
I can highly recommend it. It's an excellent vintage.
Quote from: Nicolette on January 03, 2014, 06:09:51 PM
I can highly recommend it. It's an excellent vintage.
alright maybe with some peanut butter
Quote from: Victoria Mitchell on January 03, 2014, 12:57:35 PM
This is borrowing trouble, wasting your life, and pointless. Live day by day. Love who you can and get loved in return where you can find it. Build your life and resources but don't spend too much time on this kind of thing.
I was busy responding to this when Cindy dropped the big hammer and my post went off to La-La land. I was going to say that I agree with Victoria's statement above, life's too short to get so worked up over things we have no control over, it's best to take a pragmatic attitude and enjoy our lives such as they are,
Quote from: Victoria Mitchell on January 03, 2014, 12:57:35 PM
I'm going to cause friction with this statement but I'll say definitively that fear based political leanings lead to this kind of scarcity/end of world/societal collapse fear with no historical precedent to point to whereby they can show that societal collapse in the modern world is possible.
True, there has been no historical precedent set thus far, but there has never been a nation of such coddled, spoiled and entitled people with 47% dependent on the government for their survival. I suppose the question really is what will happen when the big bubble pops? Perhaps we will then present a new model that will horrify and appall the rest of the world. We do have all the elements in place and I suppose that's why Homeland Security is buying so many armored vehicles, equipping a paramilitary army and buying millions of rounds of ammo. Once again, don't worry, be happy because it's all outside of our control and it's incumbent on us to have a cool head and maintain a civil and peaceful disposition toward one another because peace begins with each of us individually.
Quote from: Shantel on January 03, 2014, 06:34:10 PM
There has never been a nation of such coddled, spoiled and entitled people with 47% dependent on the government for their survival.
This is rather insulting to me and to a large segment of the population (47% as you seem to think) and is not at all in the spirit of this community. So would you mind not doing that?
Hi friends :police:
That is quite enough topic derailment and bickering
Topic locked
Thank you
V M