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Some questions about this have been asked before, yet I didn't track with them because it's difficult to total your preferences with out a poll.  If you want me to add something let me know, but I'm trying to keep this simple. 

This is a difficult answer for me.

I find men and women attractive but never actually did anything to hit on a man much less kissed/slept with.  The idea of doing it as a male grosses me out but doing it as a female would be different.

It might be something I'll explore after I get through my transition a bit.

-AM

Hmm I'm a bit weird. I find women physically attractive while I don't find men physically attractive but I find men more emotionally attractive compared to females.

Quote from: Annabelle on February 11, 2014, 08:47:54 AM
Hmm I'm a bit weird. I find women physically attractive while I don't find men physically attractive but I find men more emotionally attractive compared to females.

This is something I have noticed in many people that physical attraction and emotional attraction can differ.

I am physically and emotionally attracted to women. Physically men do nothing for me but emotionally they are outright repulsive in a romantic sense. I have no problems with them as friends but the idea of going on a nice romantic dinner with a protective man who thinks I am beautiful is almost sickening... Which now that I think about it seems a bit strange.

I was bi before I started. But lately, I find that although I will appreciate how a woman looks, I am pretty damn man crazy. I check out every man I see, and honestly can't wait until I have the anatomy and passability to start dating.

Hard to answer other than bi. I like male, female, other transgenders, MTF and FTM. I guess I'm just sexually open and tend to focus more on the emotional connections.

Awesome!!! Love the results so far. More men for me to sort through. he he.

While I like the idea of being hit on by men, I find women infinitely more physically attractive than men ~ male body does absolutely nothing for me, but I do have a sort of appreciation for the male "part"; however, i do like it when a man makes me feel special ~ this is most likely due to the fact that only men have hit on me so far and women have not :P Maybe i'd have the same reaction if a woman were to hit on me.

I would expect the numbers (if the sample is large enough) to come out approximately even among the choices. Which explains why when people leave out bisexual/pansexual and asexual/meh, they get such wildly varying numbers depending on how the question is asked. Assume that it is 25%/25%/25%/25%.
Then when you ask the following questions, you would get these results:

Is your attraction to men? 67% yes, 33% no.
Is your attraction to women? 67% yes, 33% no.
Are you attracted to men? 50% yes, 50% no.
Are you attracted to women? 50% yes, 50% no.
Are you attracted to men and women and otherly identified people? 25% yes, 75% no.
Are you attracted to no one? 25% yes, 75% no.
Is any attraction that you have based on the gender of your partner? 50% yes, 50% no.

And of course that is still a simplification, because romantic and sexual attraction may be different (for example, some asexual people have strong romantic attractions but no sexual attractions). And if the asexual percentage is more like 50%, then the numbers above skew even more.

Here's what I wrote about myself on a singles' site:

QuoteI am BISEXUAL/PANSEXUAL. I mostly point this out for the sake of people who might fall in love with me, and then later on realize "OMG I didn't realize you were serious about that." Yes. My attraction or lack of attraction, and my connection, or lack of connection, to any person is based on attributes that are not governed by their sex or gender. In other words, I won't decide I can't date you just because you are a man, or a woman, or because neither fits all the time. I don't care about that. I do care about what kind of a woman, or man, or person you are. Period. I know it's a weird concept for people who have a sex or gender litmus test in their brain that blocks half or more of the human race from the possibility of their wanting to be with that person. I don't have that. And I won't look down on you if you do, but I don't want to know you if you have a problem with my lack of your limitation.

-Maddie

Quote from: MadelineB on February 11, 2014, 09:42:26 AM
I would expect the numbers (if the sample is large enough) to come out approximately even among the choices. Which explains why when people leave out bisexual/pansexual and asexual/meh, they get such wildly varying numbers depending on how the question is asked. Assume that it is 25%/25%/25%/25%.
Then when you ask the following questions, you would get these results:

Is your attraction to men? 67% yes, 33% no.
Is your attraction to women? 67% yes, 33% no.
Are you attracted to men? 50% yes, 50% no.
Are you attracted to women? 50% yes, 50% no.
Are you attracted to men and women and otherly identified people? 25% yes, 75% no.
Are you attracted to no one? 25% yes, 75% no.
Is any attraction that you have based on the gender of your partner? 50% yes, 50% no.

And of course that is still a simplification, because romantic and sexual attraction may be different (for example, some asexual people have strong romantic attractions but no sexual attractions). And if the asexual percentage is more like 50%, then the numbers above skew even more.

Here's what I wrote about myself on a singles' site: -Maddie

very practical and informative

Quote from: MadelineB on February 11, 2014, 09:42:26 AMMy attraction or lack of attraction, and my connection, or lack of connection, to any person is based on attributes that are not governed by their sex or gender.

That's sort of how I feel. I will date someone I respect and enjoy regardless of sex or gender.

But my attraction is different. The idea of running my hands over a female body is inviting, while the idea of running my hands over a male body is not. OTOH, sex with a male sounds very inviting, while sex with a female does not.

I think that means I'm one confused pup.

without getting tangled up in emotional vs physical connection, i love women too much to seriously consider men. they have a perfect body, soft and smooth with those 'i-want-the-same-curves' in the right places, preferably long silky hair and so much more. it's no match imho. but men also have this part i am intrigued by for purely sexual reasons and maybe to feel that much more of a woman. when on hrt, who knows how that would change? for now, definitely ggs or women like us :)

I have found my interests evolving as I've given up denial and progressed through transition.

I started out as a gyno-romantic asexual. I found women romantically appealing, but had next to no desire for sex.

As I began to accept that I was transgender, I started to also accept that there was some romantic attraction to the occasional man.

It was HRT that finally introduced the idea of sexual attraction into the mix and now I find the target of my attraction swings like a pendulum through the weeks.

If you are only attracted to men as a woman, aren't you not attracted to men, but attracted to the idea of being a woman who likes men?

Maybe attracted to having control over female sexuality?

Quote from: sad panda on February 11, 2014, 01:01:07 PM
If you are only attracted to men as a woman, aren't you not attracted to men, but attracted to the idea of being a woman who likes men?

Maybe attracted to having control over female sexuality?

Hmmm, never looked at it from that point of view.

I look at it as femininity and masculinity are two sides to the same coin.  While submission and dominance play a role I think it is a lot more complicated than that diatomic--for lack of a better word--relationship.  I think the two compliment each other in all aspects of life and I think it's the role of femininity that has my gears going and that alone is attractive.  However, the picture isn't complete without the other half I feel.

-AM

Quote from: Androgynous_Machine on February 11, 2014, 01:14:38 PM
Hmmm, never looked at it from that point of view.

I look at it as femininity and masculinity are two sides to the same coin.  While submission and dominance play a role I think it is a lot more complicated than that diatomic--for lack of a better word--relationship.  I think the two compliment each other in all aspects of life and I think it's the role of femininity that has my gears going and that alone is attractive.  However, the picture isn't complete without the other half I feel.

-AM

Oh ok, but then when you're presenting as a woman, does the idea of doing anything with a woman gross you out and you only want to do things with men?

Quote from: sad panda on February 11, 2014, 01:30:23 PM
Oh ok, but then when you're presenting as a woman, does the idea of doing anything with a woman gross you out and you only want to do things with men?

Hmmm, hard to say.  I'm not purposefully being wishy washy because I'm just starting my transition so it is difficult to really say.  I can only extrapolate from my previous experience and as a male, I didn't harbor fantasies about lesbians nor did I enjoy any of the pornography.  Furthermore my dealings with ciswomen in committed relationships were difficult to put it nicely. 

As a male I had a lot of performance issues (always have) and physical attributes that are no where near manly, as a predictable result had a lot of problems with women in general.

However, If you were to hold a gun to my head I don't think I'd actively seek out women.  Mostly because I didn't do that at any point of my life before (all of my relationships they came to me for whatever reason).    Does it gross me out? No.  Does it stimulate me, while presenting as a woman, to be with a woman? No.

-AM

Thank you for the nice reads, stuff to think about. As others have mentioned before, I do not seem to put much importance on the gender thing, it's kind of I do not know, both have pros, cons, there are a lot of other things going around in a relationship...

I think women are more attractive than men and I still find myself looking at women.(Some habits are  hard to break. ;)) Now however, the thoughts going through my head are completely different. It's more like-
God I hope my hair will be as beautiful as hers, or I would love to have her figure. I know from experience though that sex with a girl, while fun, is a serious let down now. It's great taking care of her desires, but it ends at that and I am frustrated and wanting more. The thought of me penetrating someone else makes me physically ill.
Odd thing is I prefer the company of women now over men.

Men over forty are not very attractive to me for the most part, but when I think  about sex it's men that I think about. It's incredibly confusing to me, to have so much change so quickly. Kinda scary too.

I've avoided masturbation for the last couple months for several reasons. One, arousal is different for me now, and porn does nothing for me. Two, I don't want to touch it, not for that anyway. It feels... unclean maybe or perverted. Either way it just doesn't feel right.

A few days ago I did masturbate and now avoid it for a completely different reasons.
I was watching a Enrique Iglesias video, OMG! It was too much, something had to give. I buried my face in the back of the sofa, straddled a couple throw pillows and went to town like a good little girl. It was much more intense and took longer than I would have thought, but WOW! Took me over a 1/2 hour to stop shaking. It took a lot out of me and frightened me. I WANT to do it again, but am afraid. Maybe it's time to invest in a magic buzzing wand.

Anyway, to answer your question- men, god help me, and even if I've never been with one, but definitely men.

I hope that wasn't too graphic.

Quote from: Michelle69 on February 11, 2014, 02:12:22 PM
I think women are more attractive than men and I still find myself looking at women.(Some habits are  hard to break. ;)) Now however, the thoughts going through my head are completely different. It's more like-
God I hope my hair will be as beautiful as hers, or I would love to have her figure. I know from experience though that sex with a girl, while fun, is a serious let down now. It's great taking care of her desires, but it ends at that and I am frustrated and wanting more. The thought of me penetrating someone else makes me physically ill.
Odd thing is I prefer the company of women now over men.

Men over forty are not very attractive to me for the most part, but when I think  about sex it's men that I think about. It's incredibly confusing to me, to have so much change so quickly. Kinda scary too.

I've avoided masturbation for the last couple months for several reasons. One, arousal is different for me now, and porn does nothing for me. Two, I don't want to touch it, not for that anyway. It feels... unclean maybe or perverted. Either way it just doesn't feel right.

A few days ago I did masturbate and now avoid it for a completely different reasons.
I was watching a Enrique Iglesias video, OMG! It was too much, something had to give. I buried my face in the back of the sofa, straddled a couple throw pillows and went to town like a good little girl. It was much more intense and took longer than I would have thought, but WOW! Took me over a 1/2 hour to stop shaking. It took a lot out of me and frightened me. I WANT to do it again, but am afraid. Maybe it's time to invest in a magic buzzing wand.

Anyway, to answer your question- men, god help me, and even if I've never been with one, but definitely men.

I hope that wasn't too graphic.

I think you put it much better than I would have.  When I think about being with a woman it's more about being her than being with her.  When I think about being with a man the feeling and emotion is intense, almost to the point of it being debilitating.

-AM

Sorry, just saw your post AM. Have you ever considered that you might have klinefelter syndrome? I was wondering for a long time if I did, but never got tested because of my libido. I don't have the height of the average person with KS and I have enough libido for two ordinary people but have all the other symptoms.
My older brother and I are all but twins, for all that we are two years apart. He has a tiny hips though(still 30" at the age of 46), mines about 4" bigger though. The bottom of my ribs are a half to full inch narrower then my hips. The only six months he ever put on weight(wife pregnant with his first daughter) his fat went to his belly, mine goes to my butt and hips. I am still not sure if I have KS, but my sex drive makes me doubt it.
Anyway, from what you have said in this and other threads, I was just wondering.

Quote from: Michelle69 on February 11, 2014, 02:33:22 PM
Sorry, just saw your post AM. Have you ever considered that you might have klinefelter syndrome? I was wondering for a long time if I did, but never got tested because of my libido. I don't have the height of the average person with KS and I have enough libido for two ordinary people but have all the other symptoms.
My older brother and I are all but twins, for all that we are two years apart. He has a tiny hips though(still 30" at the age of 46), mines about 4" bigger though. The bottom of my ribs are a half to full inch narrower then my hips. The only six months he ever put on weight(wife pregnant with his first daughter) his fat went to his belly, mine goes to my butt and hips. I am still not sure if I have KS, but my sex drive makes me doubt it.
Anyway, from what you have said in this and other threads, I was just wondering.

To be perfectly honest I never even heard of it until just now.

Though I don't have the height and my hips seem normal, however I lack the "triangle shape" of a man's torso and I have incredibly small extremities (hands, feet, toes, fingers, etc.) when compared to other men of my height (5'5 or 165.1cm).

I've been told on several occasions however throughout my life that I have a "girl booty" and I walk with my hips.

I will say I meet a lot of the criteria of the syndrome however.  I struggled in school, I did not fit in with my peers (and still don't to this day), and the military was 11 years of living hell but stayed in so long only because the economy went south and I didn't want to be homeless.

The latter of that is my single largest regret.  I should have got out and transitioned over a decade ago.   Perhaps I wouldn't be the god awful mess I am now.

-AM

I've always liked guys. pre transition I was the most femme twinky gay boy ever. Tho tbh I'm going through a bit of an asexual phase atm, probably cuz of the hormones and a bit of depression. Hopefully things will pick up soon and I'll be back to being boy crazy

I liked girls before HRT. Having been on HRT for a number of years now, this hasn't changed one bit.

Glad to hear that Laura, am so scared of leaving my girlfriend just because my preferences changed, I always thought it would be harsh and unfair on her.
On the other side, she is mostly straight so yeah, we shall see what happens.

Just so you have an idea of what I'm talking about here's some photos of my hands.

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-AM

My heart goes out to you. Every time I read about KS I felt like crying. The signs are so unmanly that I am sure very few people ever look int it. I fit in because of sports, my need to prove myself worthy, but it was tough. That and the fact that I took on everyone who had a problem with me and kept coming at them til I was on top. Sometimes, now that I have accepted the fact that I am a woman, I actually hope that I do have it. Not for validation, just for making me that much more of a woman. Am afraid to get checked now, I would rather believe that I have the extra X. Off to work now, but if you ever want to chat about it let me know.

Michelle

My hands are almost identical, except my wrists are considerably smaller.

Er... gotta go. gonna be late

I thought I would chime in on the partner preference..
I have been on HRT since Dec 19th and I have always been hetero..
After 7 weeks or so I have basically have no sex drive really.. Love to cuddle my wife but don't need sex..
Now I kinda get frisky feeling and just want to cuddle up and go to sleep..
Not sure what the future will bring with HRT and at this point don't care just so happy to be seeing positive changes to my body..
Carrie

Quote from: Michelle69 on February 11, 2014, 03:30:40 PM
My heart goes out to you. Every time I read about KS I felt like crying. The signs are so unmanly that I am sure very few people ever look int it. I fit in because of sports, my need to prove myself worthy, but it was tough. That and the fact that I took on everyone who had a problem with me and kept coming at them til I was on top. Sometimes, now that I have accepted the fact that I am a woman, I actually hope that I do have it. Not for validation, just for making me that much more of a woman. Am afraid to get checked now, I would rather believe that I have the extra X. Off to work now, but if you ever want to chat about it let me know.

Michelle

My hands are almost identical, except my wrists are considerably smaller.

Er... gotta go. gonna be late

It is okay, at this juncture I've since come to realize we all get dealt a hand (no pun intended).  You can either sit, bitch about it, and get all depressed about it; deal with it or ante up and find some way to love yourself.

Which is what transitioning is all about.  My days of self-loathing are coming to an end my only regret is not doing it sooner out of fear.

I'd love to chat.

-AM

I have to go to the doctor in a few minutes, so I'll try to make this fast. I'm a straight, heterosexual female, and when I look at a woman it's in admiration of how she wears her hair, or her shoes, how gorgeous her boyfriend is, etc. Women are fun to talk to, go shopping with and confide in....But sexually? Not in this lifetime ever again. I love men, from their wonderful, muscular bodies, that magnificent thing between their legs, the way they talk, their chivalry in walking on the street side of the sidewalk, opening doors, the feeling of, though not being dominated, being the submissive of their powerful bodies, the protection I feel I'm under, the way they kiss, and how they make me feel like a woman, a sexual, sensuous woman, and how I can fix their boo boo's, because in the end, most of them are like little boys at the same time they're men. I love 'em!

I PREFER HUMANS     >:-)

Well I Find both sexes attractive but what gets me going the most is someone who's physically stronger than I. On another note I don't think I can date a cis guy because I don't like dick lol

Quote from: peky on February 11, 2014, 05:43:11 PM
I PREFER HUMANS     >:-)

Amen.  Pass the fava beans and Chianti!  Oh, wait, what were we talking about?

Quote from: peky on February 11, 2014, 05:43:11 PM
I PREFER HUMANS     >:-)

My anthro counterpart prefers porcupines sooooo......yeah.

I hear opossums were pretty good

Quote from: stephaniec on February 11, 2014, 06:21:51 PM
I hear opossums were pretty good

Nah...their too snobby.

Who let the dogs out!   
Damn Peky!
Keep it up girl and I am going to call the phoenix to give you a couple of demerits...LOL

I'm really surprised to see all the comments.  I've been out all day and just started reading the tread about 15 minutes ago.   But this kind of jumped out at me.

Quote from: MadelineB on February 11, 2014, 09:42:26 AM
And of course that is still a simplification, because romantic and sexual attraction may be different (for example, some asexual people have strong romantic attractions but no sexual attractions).....

This really is important because romantic and sexual attraction are not the same, but can completely steer to one gender, the other, or both or none.  Also could look more into it and consider social attraction as opposed to romantic or sexual attractions. After all we interact socially on different levels with women and men, so I'd assume we have preferences. 

As far as my specific attractions go I'm both romantically and sexually attracted to women.  Since I'm a woman in transition I can't imagine having a man right now, but I also wonder about what a man could do for me when I'm post op.  Although I'm still all creeped about it.  And the worst part about men is ... THEY AREN'T WOMEN.  They smell like men, they talk like men, and for the most part they treat people badly.  I absolutely love to discuss my important interests such as farming, home construction, and auto racing (or cars in general), but women and men have a different view of these activities.  And since I'm talking about my interests in new ways "as a woman", men don't listen to me much anymore, ??? no matter how expert I am in a subject.  So screw 'em ... maybe that's a bad choice of words.  And who knows, maybe I'll change my mind in a post op world, and I'll have to "Keep one suitable man on call for sex."
 

I'm at the very begining of mtf transition I love women I love there curves , smells and there tastes I'm conserned about taking hormones wondering if I will change   Right now I do not like men. I don't want to talk to them nor am I attracted to them an any way   I don't want this to change

Quote from: Samantha on February 11, 2014, 07:50:44 PM
I'm at the very begining of mtf transition I love women I love there curves , smells and there tastes I'm conserned about taking hormones wondering if I will change   Right now I do not like men. I don't want to talk to them nor am I attracted to them an any way   I don't want this to change

Well, it might. But, even if it does, chances are you will still like women too. Also, if your preferences change, you probably won't mind, because you will be the one liking it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again-  Once you're trans, you're already way beyond queer anyway.  Whom I find attractive is all in the noise now.  I certainly don't care if I'm labeled "gay".  I'm married to a woman, she is my soulmate.   I always found women attractive and I never wanted to pursue a guy-guy relationship before I came out.  I just never thought anal or oral with a gay guy was for me.   I have quite a few gay friends, but I just can't picture having sex with them (nor they with me, I'd assume!)

However, if I was packing a vajayjay, the game changes a bit.  I can totally picture having sex with a straight guy if that was the case.  I still like girls, but getting stuffed by a fat stiffie suddenly sounds kinda sexy.  I could also picture myself with a transguy, transgirl or androgyne.

So I'm sorta pansexual.  BFD.  I'm queer as all hell and proud of it.

Quote from: Jill F on February 11, 2014, 08:24:04 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again-  Once you're trans, you're already way beyond queer anyway.  Whom I find attractive is all in the noise now.  I certainly don't care if I'm labeled "gay".  I'm married to a woman, she is my soulmate.   I always found women attractive and I never wanted to pursue a guy-guy relationship before I came out.  I just never thought anal or oral with a gay guy was for me.   I have quite a few gay friends, but I just can't picture having sex with them (nor they with me, I'd assume!)

However, if I was packing a vajayjay, the game changes a bit.  I can totally picture having sex with a straight guy if that was the case.  I still like girls, but getting stuffed by a fat stiffie suddenly sounds kinda sexy.  I could also picture myself with a transguy, transgirl or androgyne.

So I'm sorta pansexual.  BFD.  I'm queer as all hell and proud of it.

yea, the vagina is a game changer

Haha peky XD

Quote from: stephaniec on February 11, 2014, 08:27:03 PM
yea, the vagina is a game changer

Nah. It wouldn't be for me. No matter if I was born a genetic female or if I had GRS, I would never want anything to do with a guy.

Yuck....

Quote from: Laura Squirrel on February 11, 2014, 09:38:02 PM
Nah. It wouldn't be for me. No matter if I was born a genetic female or if I had GRS, I would never want anything to do with a guy.

Yuck....

Oh, Laura... it is time to say it... forgive me but... I... can... not... resist...

I thought squirrels liked nuts.

(Rimshot)

(Tori blushes and exits awkwardly.)

Quote from: Tori on February 11, 2014, 09:49:44 PM
Oh, Laura... it is time to say it... forgive me but... I... can... not... resist...

I thought squirrels liked nuts.

(Rimshot)

(Tori blushes and exits awkwardly.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CdVTCDdEwI

Nope. This squirrel is a strict vagetarian.

:D

:)

You frequently brighten my day Laura. This is one of those times.

Aloha,
Tori

Quote from: Tori on February 11, 2014, 10:06:21 PM
:)

You frequently brighten my day Laura. This is one of those times.

Aloha,
Tori

:D

Cool. But I was hoping you would have asked the $64,000 question.  :D

This is where I stand on this, pre-everything. As of right now, I'm 100% into girls; I just find them so attractive and beautiful, but the act of sex as a man doesn't seem too appealing to me. The thought of being with a guy atm is eww, yucky, totally not into it. However, I have thought about this very thing recently, and realized, if I do transition, the thought of being with a guy becomes more appealing, I guess, as long as I have the proper parts  ;). So I guess that makes me bi as a women, straight as a guy.

It's women for me all the way. If that makes me a lesbian then so be it. However right now and for nearly the last 20 years my sex drive has been Zero. Way before hrt.

Something I read earlier interested me a little. I know some of you have heard me say this before -maybe your even getting tired of hearing it. But even as a child, during my teen years, through adulthood and still today I've always had the body shape of a girl: narrow shoulders, thin arms, long legs, and hips, very small wrists and ankles, naturally long eyelashes, etc. I just wonder If I'm KS. It was even suggested to my adoptive parents once I may have an extra X cromazone -that I'm XXY, though I never heard of KS until reading a little about it in this thread. Oh well, it's something for me to look into.

Back to our topic I done expect my attraction to women will ever change even after SRS. The thought of sleeping with a naked man, well, is discusting -Ew! ;)

Quote from: Laura Squirrel on February 11, 2014, 10:19:48 PM
:D

Cool. But I was hoping you would have asked the $64,000 question.  :D

And, the $64,000 question is...

Are YOU nuts?

30 seconds.

:p

I'm bi but it's been 9 years since I had a relationship(with an M2F) who was mad as a bag of badgers.I'm also 56 so it's not going to happen again

Quote from: TaoRaven on February 11, 2014, 08:59:17 AM
I was bi before I started. But lately, I find that although I will appreciate how a woman looks, I am pretty damn man crazy. I check out every man I see, and honestly can't wait until I have the anatomy and passability to start dating.

This is exactly how I feel as well.

Quote from: big kim on February 12, 2014, 02:39:32 AM
I'm bi but it's been 9 years since I had a relationship(with an M2F) who was mad as a bag of badgers.I'm also 56 so it's not going to happen again

It seems a lot of us older women feel this way.  My wife told me more than a year ago that our marriage was going to end, and that she worried I'd find someone else while we were still together.  Other than being married we really haven't had a relationship since I came out to her 20 plus years ago.  I've been separated from her for a month now, and it's strange to think I'd even want to find a partner, or that there'd be anyone willing to put up with me in a relationship.  Being alone and stressed is incredibly difficult sometimes. :'(

About to be two years on hrt and my attraction for women is as strong as ever. In some aspects even more intense than pre-hrt. Regarding men I still don't find them emotionally attractive. I guess the physical attraction for them is there but its nowhere near the level of attraction I have for women. So yeah currently I identify as a lesbian  :D

I'm straight and have been that way both before and after hrt.  While I can find beauty in other women, I simply can't lust after them and/or desire romance with one.  It's unfortunate because I feel like dating a women would be less complicated than being with men, lol.  Oh well, I'm hoping there will be some straight guy that will be willing to date a girl like me.

I got confused at first and thought this was about what orientation I wanted my *partners* to have. :) Oops.

I was bi before HRT and I'm bi after, though my attraction to men went from like 10% to 25% of my orientation. (As others have said, it's a totally different context to be wanted as a woman by a straight guy. I saw men I admired pre-HRT, but never had the fluttery experience of one flirting with me [unless he was gay, and no thanks].)

Quote from: learningtolive on February 12, 2014, 07:26:05 AM
I'm straight and have been that way both before and after hrt.  While I can find beauty in other women, I simply can't lust after them and/or desire romance with one.  It's unfortunate because I feel like dating a women would be less complicated than being with men, lol.  Oh well, I'm hoping there will be some straight guy that will be willing to date a girl like me.

This, definitely this. While I have no desire to date a girl, I have no real desire to date a gay guy either.

Quote from: Jenna Marie on February 12, 2014, 07:47:01 AM
I got confused at first and thought this was about what orientation I wanted my *partners* to have. :) Oops.

I was bi before HRT and I'm bi after, though my attraction to men went from like 10% to 25% of my orientation. (As others have said, it's a totally different context to be wanted as a woman by a straight guy. I saw men I admired pre-HRT, but never had the fluttery experience of one flirting with me [unless he was gay, and no thanks].)

I had my first fluttery experience with a guy(straight), about a month ago. My job requires the hair to be above the collar, but I've always pushed the limit of what I could get away with. This time it was almost to my shoulders before I got it cut. The next day at work, several guys were standing outside my office picking on me(awww, isn't she cute & I hope your boyfriend doesn't mind), when one came into my office and started rubbing my head and the back of my neck. He is not even that good looking but very masculine. My god! I got real warm, everything else faded away, my lips parted just a little and it was all I could do to keep a moan from escaping the back of my throat. I still don't know if any of them notice my reaction, my pupils must have seriously dilated because it took me a while to focus. I've known all of them for many years, been fishing with them and went to two of their weddings. They all treat me the same as they did before anyway.

So, yeah, I've felt the flutter.  :)

Quote from: Tori on February 12, 2014, 02:23:20 AM
And, the $64,000 question is...

Are YOU nuts?

30 seconds.

:p

Sure...but just a little.  :D

Actually, the correct question would have been: "Who is the other half in this vagetarian equation?" :D

Michelle : OK, that sounds a lot better than anything I've experienced so far. :) (Which is fine, really - I'm married!)

Quote from: Jenna Marie on February 12, 2014, 09:59:17 AM
Michelle : OK, that sounds a lot better than anything I've experienced so far. :) (Which is fine, really - I'm married!)

;) No longer being married, I don't gotta to be a good girl.

Still won't be with a guy, or anyone for that matter till I'm done transitioning, I don't think. I wouldn't mind a few more experiences like that though.

Quote from: Michelle69 on February 12, 2014, 10:14:30 AM
;) No longer being married, I don't gotta to be a good girl.

Still won't be with a guy, or anyone for that matter till I'm done transitioning, I don't think. I wouldn't mind a few more experiences like that though.

More or less my sentiment.  I've gotta fix me before I can worry about someone else.


-AM

Definitely men .. just not gay men.

I'm married now and I love my wife (great woman!) and being fifty years old I've become comfortable with just my fantasizes. If my wife ever passed, or got tired of lesbian sex, I'd finish my transition and look for a good man. Good luck! In this world, fueled by fear and testosterone, I'd most likely win the lottery before finding a good man. I might get a good bump or two before I go. Just something to look forward to   ;) .

Lesbian. Just like the female form and mindframe more.

I'm pansexual. I'm attracted to people of all gender identities and tend to be attracted primarily to personalities and presentation rather than bodies or junk. If I like someone and think they're awesome I probably want to have sex with them too, if the feeling is mutual. I'm kind of a slut that way.

Romantically, however, I tend to prefer women (and sometimes genderqueer people) because I can relate for them better on an emotional level than I can to men. And for me that's one of the most important things for me in a long term, non casual, relationship... especially if it could eventually lead to us living together. I am leaving my options open though so if some guy walks into my life and I feel like we connect on a deeper level than that of friends then I'll date him. I'm pretty picky though.

Quote from: Androgynous_Machine on February 12, 2014, 11:18:14 AM
More or less my sentiment.  I've gotta fix me before I can worry about someone else.

+1...

Before starting hormones I was never really sexually attracted to anyone. After being on HRT for some time, I can say: men 100%. 

These days I class myself as bi

Before HRT was into woman only... HRT started and I was still into woman.. and I saw myself as a lesbian. Then as HRT time turned into years I found myself looking at men, but not sexually attracted

That all changed when I did a favor for a friends boyfriend.. His friend a guy needed a date to a work function.. so I said fine I will do it. Anyways we hit it off and their was an attraction.. he was fine with my trans... and we started dating.. so here a lesbian had a boyfriend. I enjoyed being the woman in the relationship. I enjoyed kissing him, and being held by him. the relationship developed and we even slept together. We dated for about 9 months before things ended.. I was pre-op the entire relationship.

Now I am post op.. I would like to be someones girlfriend again, maybe a wife someday and now with my vagina I would like to have sex with a man.. but I would not say no to a lesbian either. 

I really don't know any more where I'm going sexually . I've always been bi and enjoy being sexual with both. The thing is though that I'm forming a relationship with a woman and she knows I'm transitioning. When I'm in a relationship I just focus on that person. I like being sexual with men, but I'd rather wait till I have the proper equipment. Maybe a solid relationship will develop with my female friend I don't know. The future does exist though . so we'll see what happens.

Quote from: alabamagirl on February 14, 2014, 06:30:20 PM
I thought I was strange, but this describes my feelings exactly.

That makes me feel better to know I am not the only one who feels like this :)

I find it interesting how there can be a mismatch in romantic and physical attraction, of course feeling nothing for men physically and being repulsed romantically like I do, isn't nearly as bad as being physically repulsed but romantically attracted and sadly I bet some people out there have those feelings. Makes me wonder why human attraction seems so complicated lol

I would say probably bi. I find women attractive physically. But over the years the thought of women as possible partners has been declining to some degree . And I envy them for what they are. My sexuality has caused me much stress in the past and I am still not fully sure what to make of it. I am very curious about being in a relationship with a man , sexually and otherwise too. I am not a gay male so that does nothing for me. I of course would want to be the girl in that equation. To admit those thoughts has been a process for me. All the transitioning business and everything that comes with it makes it extra difficult to deal additionally with other people.

So why is everyone so sorta kinda maybe could be into men someday or something?

I mean... you don't have to be if you're not... maybe you just want to like men but if you don't, you can't force yourself to...

Just sayin'

Only saying that because I'm kinda really into men. I mean I love everything about men. I love how they smell, yes I love guy smell. I love their scruffy faces, I love how they're tall and strong, I love how they can have so much confidence like it's natural. I like how they can be dominant and love doting on girls. I (umm secretly) like how they give me more attention than I deserve and treat me like a princess even if I know why they are doing it. Just being honest... Uh, not to say I like every guy (and not to say that guys have to be those things I listed) and ofc a lot of guys are not my type, but then many guys are just really scrumptious... ahh :3

How can you only sort of like those things??? Hahah.... Ignore me, I'm a little cray cray tonight.  :-X

I can only speak for myself. Possibly likeing men has always been an uphill battle for me. I have never really tried to make myself like men in that way. Quite the opposite actually. I have never been against gays nor have I ever been in too many homophobic enviroments. But the thought of me likeing men used almost to repulse me. I have never knowingly been a campy flaming person. This being the mtf section I always have had very male dominated interests and hobbies. But I have gotten asked about being being gay or not. So I do seem to get low hits on some peoples gaydar. Me likeing the guys? No way not me.

I prefer men but am also attracted to women, especially butchish masculine women. I guess I'm physically attracted to masculinity, but emotionally attracted to femininity, so the men I date usually need to have a strong, emotional feminine side.

Where's the 'still confused / not sure' option?

Seriously.  ???