Hey everyone. I was going to post this in the regular section but here seemed more appropriate. Just wondering what you all think about this. So I have this Gen2 Peecock and the only way I can get it to work is if I force a seal at the back of it with my hand. Hope I'm not being too descriptive but... Ok so this means my hand is slightly in my pants (unbuttoned) while I use my pinky and ring finger to make the seal. Would this be super awkward in a public bathroom urinal do you think? I was really hoping it would be a lot easier to use but for some reason it refuses to work with me otherwise.
I also use my peecock with one hand holding it in my pants and the other hand hold the shaft. I feel a little awkward when doing so but nobody has paid attention to that.
I am confused. I thought that the peecock was for use by a FTM person. However, when I viewed the websiet and other links their postings onlu showed men displaying them.
Quote from: mac1 on April 02, 2014, 06:55:25 PM
I am confused. I thought that the peecock waw for use by a FTM person. However, when I viewed the websiet and other links their postings onlu showed men displaying them.
One and the same.
I'm an owner of a Gen2 myself and although I don't use public urinals yet, I don't think that kind of setup is too awkward. Most men just go in, do their business, and get out. Even if someone were to give you a quick glance, I wouldn't reckon that it would look suspicious. Out of curiosity, how do you wear it in your pants? I'm currently trying to figure out a setting where it's most convenient and comfortable for me. I find that using their packing underwear is the most comfortable, but I'm trying to currently adjust to using a harness.
Quote from: mac1 on April 02, 2014, 06:55:25 PM
I am confused. I thought that the peecock waw for use by a FTM person. However, when I viewed the websiet and other links their postings onlu showed men displaying them.
Yeah, it's directed mainly towards FTMs (or any others interested in that kind of product). My guess is that they used transmen as their models for pictures..
Quote from: mac1 on April 02, 2014, 06:55:25 PM
I am confused. I thought that the peecock waw for use by a FTM person. However, when I viewed the websiet and other links their postings onlu showed men displaying them.
Well FTMs are men (or many of us are- could be transmasculine). I wouldn't expect that you would necessarily know we were FTM by looking at us.
--Jay
use it all the time in the toilets not had any problems, i even have to pull my jeans down a little. lots of guys do it in different ways. Don't think you have anything to worry about. If someone ask just say you like playing with your balls as they help you go or something ;)
Ok thanks guys! On one hand I thought they're not going to really be looking lol but on the other hand what if... It's good to know that it probably wouldn't be an issue though as this was one of the big reasons I ended up getting one of these.
Quote from: rexyrex on April 03, 2014, 08:15:33 AM
use it all the time in the toilets not had any problems, i even have to pull my jeans down a little. lots of guys do it in different ways. Don't think you have anything to worry about. If someone ask just say you like playing with your balls as they help you go or something ;)
Hahaha yeah that's not a bad idea
Quote from: Maleth on April 02, 2014, 07:22:15 PM
I'm an owner of a Gen2 myself and although I don't use public urinals yet, I don't think that kind of setup is too awkward. Most men just go in, do their business, and get out. Even if someone were to give you a quick glance, I wouldn't reckon that it would look suspicious. Out of curiosity, how do you wear it in your pants? I'm currently trying to figure out a setting where it's most convenient and comfortable for me. I find that using their packing underwear is the most comfortable, but I'm trying to currently adjust to using a harness.
I wear it up and to the left side a bit in their packing underwear if that's what you mean. Their underwear is actually pretty nice, albeit expensive. I thought I was getting 3, not 1 lol oh well. I decided to try it that way since that's what a lot of male models seem to do xD And it seems the most convenient when taking a leak. I don't have a harness though, I've been trying to find a jockstrap to modify but I'll be doing the same thing again with that most likely. The only thing I've noticed is I find it makes a bigger bulge than what I really want... Oh and I use briefs or boxer briefs, it just feels... safer I guess.
I have been using the men's when I am away from my apartment for about a year. I don't have the Gen2. From the description you guys are giving and seeing the Gen2, I think there would be no problem using it at an urinal as long as there was the larger style divider between them. Guys don't look at how the guy next to them is hold himself to pee, that is just the rule. It could look a little different if you had two fingers of one hand inside your pants and the other hand holding on the outside. With the larger dividers I see in many restrooms, I could easily see a guy using a Gen2 without being very obvious. I would wanted to have used one many time at a urinal with no one around, before trying it with a guy next to me, otherwise I wouldn't be able to go myself. It took me awhile to get comfortable peeing in a stall in the men's room. I still like to go when there is no one else in there. I now have gone into large restrooms when there is no other choice, and can pee with no problem.
I don't understand why you would want to endure the inconvenience, discomfort and appearance of having something like that in your pants just to allow you to be able to pee while standing. It is rigid, always erect and not flexible. It will present an unsightly and unnatural bulge in your pants. It will leave you with a damp feeling and the smell of urine and possibly even a pee spot on your trousers as you will be unable to dry your labia and the inside of the device. Do you really want to look like you have an erect penis all of the time? :icon_yikes: The women will think that you are a real pervert. Most men's trousers are looser fitting than women's pants and the lack of a noticable bulge in the crotch will not be that obvious.
What is wrong with taking a few extra minutes to sit to pee in comfort? You know that men also have the ability to do that and some actually prefer to sit. Nobody really pays any attention as to which way you do it. You are used to sitting so what is the big deal if you continue to do so?
The only real and exclusive function of a penis is the ability to penetrate a vagina, give both partners sexual pleasure, and impregnate the female. The peecock will not provide that ability. You can present your selves as a man in all the other ways without having a penis or a peecock. So why would you really want the inconvenience of having a peecock?
This particular product is made of soft silicone and is hollow so it has much the same appearance of a regular penis sitting in trousers which is a part of the point in having it. It's actually quite comfortable to wear and in a way feels like a part of myself. Some guys (myself included) are dysphoric about not having something between the legs, and not having the ability to stand to pee can also be quite dysphoric as that's a very male thing to do, even if not all males stand to pee, most have that option. Also, with this product you are really only a tiny bit damp at the end if you use it right, and won't even mark your underwear. It works pretty well. Also, it can be used for sex. No, it doesn't have sensation of course and can't impregnate anyone, but that's not really the point, as I'm sure you might understand. So all in all, it's very worth it. A bit of money to get something that can greatly alleviate dysphoria, or at least a little bit. Basically, it's about as close to having a real penis as can be gotten for me for now. So it was really worth it.
Standing for a male is just as important as sitting is for a female. Its what we do.
And not too many people are sniffing our crouch, also as for a damp spot, I've seen many a damp spot on the front of men's pants.
Quote from: mac1 on April 03, 2014, 01:19:35 PM
I don't understand why you would want to endure the inconvenience, discomfort and appearance of having something like that in your pants just to allow you to be able to pee while standing. It is rigid, always erect and not flexible. It will present an unsightly and unnatural bulge in your pants. It will leave you with a damp feeling and the smell of urine and possibly even a pee spot on your trousers as you will be unable to dry your labia and the inside of the device. Do you really want to look like you have an erect penis all of the time? :icon_yikes: The women will think that you are a real pervert. Most men's trousers are looser fitting than women's pants and the lack of a noticable bulge in the crotch will not be that obvious.
This might not be the best place to satisfy your curiosity about trans guys. It's also clear you don't quite get the whole notion of dysphoria. You might kind of look this up or read discretely so that you might understand this better. You might also look up packers and STPs so that you can figure out what they actually do.
--Jay
Quote from: Sarah Louise on April 03, 2014, 01:43:04 PM
Standing for a male is just as important as sitting is for a female. Its what we do.
And not too many people are sniffing our crouch, also as for a damp spot, I've seen many a damp spot on the front of men's pants.
As a male I never found standing to be that satisfying. I stood for many years both at urinals and when outside. I always found it to be uncomfortable when standing next to another guy at the urinal. I frequently got splashes on my trousers and damp spots on the front of my trousers from the last squirt after tucking my penis back in. Sometimes the stream stopped and started again thus the waiting made it look like I was standing there playing with that thing.
As for the damp spot you have seen on the front of men's pants: That damp spot is from the last spurt after tucking it back in. You can squeeze some out of a real one but you still frequently get some later. With the peecock you probably wont be able to squeeze it dry so you might also get a damp spot in your pants. How will you feel about that?
Once I decided to try sitting the situation changed. I was able to relax and take my time without feeling uncomfortable about how it looked. I was able to more fully empty my bladder, not worry about wether the stream was going to be strong or weak, and not worry wether the stream was going to be steady or interrupted. I did not have to be concerned about splashing on my trousers or about getting a wet spot on them from the last squirt after tucking it back in. Sometimes I have to wait longer for a stall due to the limited number of stalls in some men's restrooms. However, over all it was much more satisfying. I no longer consider standing under any circumstances.
Quote from: aleon515 on April 03, 2014, 02:21:45 PM
This might not be the best place to satisfy your curiosity about trans guys. It's also clear you don't quite get the whole notion of dysphoria. You might kind of look this up or read discretely so that you might understand this better. You might also look up packers and STPs so that you can figure out what they actually do.
--Jay
Wrong - I understand about dysphoria. Having a penis has caused me dysphoria on many occasions. Refer to my above post for some of the ways. I never got any real pleasure or satisfaction from being able to pee while standing. In addition, I always felt embarrased to have an erection showing in my trousers, shorts or swim suit; or to even have a noticable bulge in them when wearing snugly fitting styles. The only way in which it gave me pleasure and satisfaction was from sexual intercourse. Now that my wife has given up sexual intercourse due to vaginal dryness I could be content to not have a penis.
Having a penis, as well as not having one,
can give you dysphoria. I could be content with not having a penis and even with wearing clothing that presented a smooth look in the crotch. I would not have any feeling of embarrasment or inadequacy. It is a personal matter as to how you view the situation and no as to how others view you.
Quote from: mac1 on April 03, 2014, 03:19:07 PM
Wrong - I understand about dysphoria. Having a penis has caused me dysphoria on many occasions. Refer to my above post for some of the ways. I never got any real pleasure or satisfaction from being able to pee while standing. In addition, I always felt embarrased to have an erection showing in my trousers, shorts or swim suit; or to even have a noticable bulge in them when wearing snugly fitting styles. The only way in which it gave me pleasure and satisfaction was from sexual intercourse. Now that my wife has given up sexual intercourse due to vaginal dryness I could be content to not have a penis.
Having a penis, as well as not having one, can give you dysphoria. I could be content with not having a penis and even with wearing clothing that presented a smooth look in the crotch. I would not have any feeling of embarrasment or inadequacy. It is a personal matter as to how you view the situation and no as to how others view you.
You say having a penis causes you dysphoria, which implies that you'd like it to not be there, so why does it seem strange for you that being dysphoric about NOT having one makes us want one there? Whatever you feel dysphoric about, we feel dysphoric about in the opposite way. It's natural for you to not feel pleasure or satisfaction standing up to pee if you're a girl, and similarly it's natural for us to want to pee standing up because we're guys. (Of course, women who stand and men who sit are still normal, it's just not as common.) To put it simply, almost everything you don't like is something we desire, and what we don't like, you desire.
As you say, male pants are formed so that a bulge generally isn't noticeable. So we don't wear packers or STPs to make a noticeable bulge, but to simply fill in there what our male-bodied brothers already have. It's purely for our own comfort, and not for others to notice. Packers are not intended to be erect, they're intended to mimic a flaccid penis. And as men whose bodies do not have a penis, we ease our dysphoria by using packers. To us, a product like the peecock isn't an inconvenience at all, but rather affirming of our identities and even comforting. And even if we consider a packer somewhat inconvenient, the emotional pain from the dysphoria greatly outweighs the discomfort from the packer. Sure, I sit on my packer wrong sometimes and it's uncomfortable, but to me, that equals being as close to physically male as I can be right now.
Quote from: mac1 on April 03, 2014, 03:19:07 PM
Wrong - I understand about dysphoria. Having a penis has caused me dysphoria on many occasions. Refer to my above post for some of the ways. I never got any real pleasure or satisfaction from being able to pee while standing. In addition, I always felt embarrased to have an erection showing in my trousers, shorts or swim suit; or to even have a noticable bulge in them when wearing snugly fitting styles. The only way in which it gave me pleasure and satisfaction was from sexual intercourse. Now that my wife has given up sexual intercourse due to vaginal dryness I could be content to not have a penis.
Having a penis, as well as not having one, can give you dysphoria. I could be content with not having a penis and even with wearing clothing that presented a smooth look in the crotch. I would not have any feeling of embarrasment or inadequacy. It is a personal matter as to how you view the situation and no as to how others view you.
Well I understand that, perhaps I should have said, you are posting in an FTM section, not an MTF section. We should NOT have to explain to you what it's like to be FTM in this section. Most of my friends who are MTF do understand this all by analogy perhaps, just like I can understand why you might want parts of the body that I don't. It's the nature fo being trans. IF you read various articles or perhaps Matt Kailey's blog (tranifesto), http://tranifesto.com/
you might understand this better, without asking questions perhaps FTM people don't really want to answer.
--Jay
Your right, this is a FtM section and I think its time we went back to the OP's original question.
We have explored this "sideline" long enough.
Sarah L.
Global Moderator
Quote from: Evan of Spades on April 02, 2014, 04:39:51 PM
Hey everyone. I was going to post this in the regular section but here seemed more appropriate. Just wondering what you all think about this. So I have this Gen2 Peecock and the only way I can get it to work is if I force a seal at the back of it with my hand. Hope I'm not being too descriptive but... Ok so this means my hand is slightly in my pants (unbuttoned) while I use my pinky and ring finger to make the seal. Would this be super awkward in a public bathroom urinal do you think? I was really hoping it would be a lot easier to use but for some reason it refuses to work with me otherwise.
Ok back to your question:
The guy standing next to you will think that you are playing with your penis and not just holding it to pee. He might even razz you for doing it.
Quote from: mac1 on April 03, 2014, 01:19:35 PM
I don't understand why you would want to endure the inconvenience, discomfort and appearance of having something like that in your pants just to allow you to be able to pee while standing. It is rigid, always erect and not flexible. It will present an unsightly and unnatural bulge in your pants. It will leave you with a damp feeling and the smell of urine and possibly even a pee spot on your trousers as you will be unable to dry your labia and the inside of the device. Do you really want to look like you have an erect penis all of the time? :icon_yikes: The women will think that you are a real pervert. Most men's trousers are looser fitting than women's pants and the lack of a noticable bulge in the crotch will not be that obvious.
What is wrong with taking a few extra minutes to sit to pee in comfort? You know that men also have the ability to do that and some actually prefer to sit. Nobody really pays any attention as to which way you do it. You are used to sitting so what is the big deal if you continue to do so?
The only real and exclusive function of a penis is the ability to penetrate a vagina, give both partners sexual pleasure, and impregnate the female. The peecock will not provide that ability. You can present your selves as a man in all the other ways without having a penis or a peecock. So why would you really want the inconvenience of having a peecock?
Hi Mac,
While I as a trans guy personally don't understand it either, for some this is essential. I don't have much genital dysphoria and have no problem sitting or squatting. For me - my parts were designed to void a certain way and I'm ok with that. But some guys aren't. Just as there are some trans women who need SRS and others who don't. We all have different needs.
I don't personally understand why a trans woman would want to sit when it seems more convenient to stand or even have SRS for that matter either. But it's not for me to understand. We're all in this together, and we don't have to understand something personally to sympathize.
The guy next to you is probably not checking you out. Its not common practice to watch someone else pee. If someone is watching you, its probably to see how big you are.
Don't worry about it.
Quote from: Sarah Louise on April 03, 2014, 05:28:34 PM
The guy next to you is probably not checking you out. Its not common practice to watch someone else pee. If someone is watching you, its probably to see how big you are.
Don't worry about it.
Don't be so sure about that.
Quote from: mac1 on April 03, 2014, 06:47:27 PM
Don't be so sure about that.
I am sure about that. And I can cite 30 years of using the male restrooms and urinals as reference.
Quote from: Colleen♡Callie on April 03, 2014, 07:15:44 PM
I am sure about that. And I can cite 30 years of using the male restrooms and urinals as reference.
I always looked straight ahead. However, some guys looked at the guy next to them. Dividers between the urinals were non existant and trough urinals were rather common. Some places even had a large circular urinal in the middle of the room where men stood all around it. For some reason there has always been the belief that men do not need the same degree of privacy as women.
Some do, but it's rather rare.
Quote from: mac1 on April 03, 2014, 05:18:25 PM
Ok back to your question:
The guy standing next to you will think that you are playing with your penis and not just holding it to pee. He might even razz you for doing it.
Highly doubt that. Not everyone holds their junk 100% the same way. And if he's looking that closely then he's the one with the problem.
It sounds like for the most part it would be fine and if, perchance, someone did say something about it, I could easily enough make a retort back about them checking me out. This is really reassuring because yeah, I was a bit worried XD I mean, spend all that money for it to not be useful would be... upsetting haha. I appreciate all the feedback everyone.
Quote from: Sarah Louise on April 03, 2014, 05:28:34 PM
The guy next to you is probably not checking you out. Its not common practice to watch someone else pee. If someone is watching you, its probably to see how big you are.
Don't worry about it.
I started going to the men's room before I even passed reliably. I have (almost) never been even spoken to or had anyone glance at me. I don't know as I go into a stall, but men kind of look ahead and don't speak to each other. There might be exceptions here and there. I don't know if someone is going to look at your junk so well to notice if you are holding it funny or something like that. I know people using STPs at urinals not having issues. I would get used to handling it and doing all the stuff beforehand, handling clothes included, so you get a little efficient at it.
Otherwise you can use a stall and STP. But I doubt someone would notice you were handling it differently. Gay bars might be a bit of an exception, since some of the fears of looking at each other have to be with guys worrying that about homosexuality.
--Jay
I agree completely with Jay. Guys are there to do their business and don't really look or say anything, as Jay said gay bars could be different. I have been in all kinds of restrooms in the last year, some alone and some with many guys. I still use a stall all the time; no one has ever looked or said anything to me about what I am doing.
Actually heard MANY more guys have trouble who went to the women's room, either due to not passing reliably or lack of confidence. Women definitely "police" the women's room and I know many guys who were even policed while they were butch.
--Jay
I have seen openly cis women use the men's restroom when men were in the room without incident. Why should it be any different for men in the women's room?
Why can't we all just respect each other and have only one public restroom; a multi user joint facility with adequate privacy for the stalls? It would solve a lot of problems without compromising anybody's safety.
mac1, guys would except the idea of one public restroom for everyone, but I can never see the majority of women excepting the idea.
Quote from: mm on April 04, 2014, 02:59:47 PM
mac1, guys would except accept the idea of one public restroom for everyone, but I can never see the majority of women excepting accepting the idea.
Give me a good reason why you could not accept it.
Um, because women have been taught to fear men since a very young age? With good reason too... Boys are taught that they get off with behavior because boys will be boys. That doesn't change when they become men.
Also, men piss all over seats and the floor all the time. Why would a woman want to deal with that if she could go to a women's room?
Quote from: Kyler on April 04, 2014, 06:21:42 PM
Um, because women have been taught to fear men since a very young age? With good reason too... Boys are taught that they get off with behavior because boys will be boys. That doesn't change when they become men.
Also, men piss all over seats and the floor all the time. Why would a woman want to deal with that if she could go to a women's room?
I agree there is no way I would want to be in a bathroom with a man I don't really like being in a room with men by myself with men I don't know much less use the bathroom with one. And considering I just read a story this morning about a man being arrested for trying to look at women in dressing rooms there is just no way I would want that fear using the restroom.
There are places where there are unisex multistall bathrooms. I have heard of this even in liberal US cities (like San Francisco), not very common though.
--Jay
Like many others have said before (including myself), I don't think you've got much to worry about. If you don't feel confident in using public urinals, I suggest practicing in stalls and gaining confidence there. Good luck!
P.S. I think multi-stalled restrooms are very uncommon, and I haven't seen one like so either..
Quote from: kate on April 15, 2014, 05:32:21 AM
Women taught to fear men? I think that's a little too strong. Interesting story at work regarding toilets. I'm not going to lie, the men's bathroom is not exactly pristine, but the office has had numerous female staff meetings regarding the state of the women's toilets. Some of the stories are revolting.
Well there exactly are men who attack women in the women's room, but there have never been any cases (anyone can point to anyway-- it's interesting if you ask this specifically) of men dressing up as women to attack women. Oh yes women's rooms can be gross, otoh, men do put up with a bit more as they don't need to (usually) sit. That's why you see men's rooms in bad repair a lot more--latches and doors off and things like that.
--Jay
Quote from: aleon515 on April 15, 2014, 11:41:13 AM
Well there exactly are men who attack women in the women's room, but there have never been any cases (anyone can point to anyway-- it's interesting if you ask this specifically) of men dressing up as women to attack women. ..................
--Jay
Those attacks (and perverted behaviors) would be less likely to happen if more people were present in the restroom. The presence of husbands, boy friends, and other respectable men would result in greater safety for women, children and small men. That is one reason for having multi-user unsex restrooms.
Quote from: Evan of Spades on April 02, 2014, 04:39:51 PM
... Ok so this means my hand is slightly in my pants (unbuttoned) while I use my pinky and ring finger to make the seal. Would this be super awkward in a public bathroom urinal do you think?
No, not at all. Most guys pull there balls out whie peeing and tickles there balls during peeing.
Do not focus to much about it. I also hear a lot from transmen that it is unusual for cis guys to unzip there pants while peeing. NO and just NO . Most guys open there button and put the zipper a bit down and take there penis out and pee. I know a lot of guys just put there ball out. It is a personal thing.
So no not awkward at all.
Quote from: kate on April 15, 2014, 05:32:21 AM
Women taught to fear men? I think that's a little too strong. Interesting story at work regarding toilets. I'm not going to lie, the men's bathroom is not exactly pristine, but the office has had numerous female staff meetings regarding the state of the women's toilets. Some of the stories are revolting.
Maybe not all women, but being taught to fear men is definitely a common experience.
Our bathrooms at work are used by the public. Both the men's and women's have their own sets of issues, but the seats in men do tend to be cleaner.
Quote from: kate on April 16, 2014, 01:54:12 PM
It's sad that that is the case. I am starting to understand why though.
If you're gonna squat ya gotta take responsibility and wipe off the seat, if needed.
Quote from: Brett on April 16, 2014, 07:29:45 PM
If you're gonna squat ya gotta take responsibility and wipe off the seat, if needed.
Same should apply if you have to stand & not lift the seat.
Quote from: kate on April 17, 2014, 05:28:14 AM
Lol i meant the fear element, but sure hehe.
Ahh, I thought you were saying you now understood why the men's seats were cleaner!
Quote from: mac1 on April 16, 2014, 10:17:31 PM
Same should apply if you have to stand & not lift the seat.
Absolutely.