Story and Audio: http://www.towleroad.com/2014/05/kimbeck.html (http://www.towleroad.com/2014/05/kimbeck.html)
""Transgender or gender nonconforming. What the hell does that mean? Like you're not a woman or a man??
"The dude can look like a lady and the city is going to pay for it!" (cue "Dude Looks Like a Lady" music)
"Does that mean then if women want a boob job they'll pay for a boob job because that's only right."
"The services that will be paid for under the new coverage - gender reassignment surgery, PSYCHOLOGICAL COUNSELING, because you're probably a NUTJOB to begin with!"
"It's a slippery slope. Then if some woman can go to a doctor and it'd be proven that she's got mental issues because her rack's not big enough then you know what? she deserves a boob job, Right Kimberly? Or she deserves liposuction."
"Right, IF YOU CAN PROVE YOU'RE A NUT, I guess."
Kimberly and Beck then go on to discuss female trans athletes, including one at a local school, and how they should definitely not be able to play sports...
"When he steps up to the plate, doesn't he have two bats?"
Finally, a woman calls in to tell them "it's incredibly disrespectful towards transgender people. Please don't spread any misinformation especially when you're joking about it."
One of the hosts replies: "Thank you, SIR" as the others laugh."
Listen to the audio on the page above. It's really gross how they mock the listener calling them.
Shockingly ignorant.
And yet, whenever I post about how we need to better educate people about our issues, I get a torrent of pushback.
If we don't make ourselves heard, the only ones that most people will hear are clowns like these.
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Then if some woman can go to a doctor and it'd be proven that she's got mental issues because her rack's not big enough then you know what? she deserves a boob job, Right Kimberly? Or she deserves liposuction."
Can happen, should happen, does happen.
Realy its been happening for ages. Before i knew srs exsisted, I Knew that a woman could get a "boob job" if feelings that hers are not adaquae are causing low self estiem to lead into "depression".
I Mean realy?
How old is that person? Ive knowed this since i was 12. And im sure it was available before then. Men too can get penis enlargment surgeries if low self esteame leads into depression.
And the most moronic thing of all, is that the listener was probably CIS.
Just your typical couple of ignorant losers. The hell with them and what they think.
So glad that I'm not living in upstate NY, though I will thank the city of Rochester for including transcare in their cities health policy. Let the regressive people complain against our existence, the true outcome of this story is that social progress wins again and will inevitably crush the judgemental mentalities that fight so hard against it.
By the way, this is more about having coverage for simple things like blood work and not "boob jobs". Of course, having access to prescriptions, doctor's visits and lab work like any other person with insurance is just an insane demand. And yes, I've been denied these things for being trans and have had many bills for general things that most people don't have to worry about. Not that they would care about how that impacts their neighbors that happen to be trans. It's all about trying to be controversial to gather some attention on a dying medium that has one of the fastest rolling doors.
What is even worse to me is outside of a few LGBT blogs and news sources, this story isn't yet being covered by anyone else in the media. Replace transgender with most other minorities with similar juvenile and hateful jokes and those three radio hosts would have lost their job by now. Sad. :(
I shot them an email and left the manager a voice mail. I found this very ignorant. It honestly made me cringe and feel disgusted. I believe everyone should shoot an email over to get a point across.
Ugh, shame on them. How ignorant. I guess they were just trying to get cheap laughs.
Well I won't use the dreaded word, unladylike and plus don't want the mods to ban me, but they know what they can go do with themselves and the horses they rode in on if they can get off of their high horses long enough. What a couple of losers. What I could say about the way they look, but again unladylike behavior.
Here is a tweet from Kimberly (the female radio host):
Kimberly @Kimberly989buzz
Freedom of Speech includes the freedom to offend others. You aren't granted a right to not be offended in this life #getoverit #ROC
As you can see, she's just so very sorry for her actions. She's right. I'm not granted the right to not be offended in life. But I am granted the right to mail and call all of her higher ups and sponsors and let them know just how much money I will no longer be spending with them if they continue to support such bigotry. #sorryboutit
Oh look. Here is an email list of some 98.9 The Buzz staff that I and others can express our opinions to...
Sue Munn
VP/General Manager
smunn@entercom.com
Bob Barnett
Ops Manager
bbarnett@entercom.com
Mike Danger
Program Director
danger@entercom.com
Mike Johnson
Director of Sales
mjjohnson@entercom.com
I have no interest in getting them fired or trying to censor her speech. She's free to say what she wants. What I am entitled to is a reaction and the ability to criticize their opinions. I wish people would see that this really isn't about a bunch of people looking for free rides on cosmetic procedures. There is much more involved in transhealth concerns that is often denied to us like blood work, prescriptions, and covered doctor's visits. Medical coding often hurts us in a big way, and medical bills aren't cheap in this country. Any other person attending there doctors for basic care would be covered. Why must we be excluded? Personally, I can understand why some may feel concerned about paying for cosmetic procedures and don't mind those concerns being brought up as it's not so clear cut. But must you mock your fellow neigbors by calling them "nut jobs"?. It's the total disregard of other people going through a really tough thing that disgusts me. In closing, you're free to say what you want, but you can't silence criticism for your views when you are a public figure.
Quote from: learningtolive on May 21, 2014, 06:04:12 PM
I have no interest in getting them fired or trying to censor her speech. She's free to say what she wants. What I am entitled to is a reaction and the ability to criticize their opinions. I wish people would see that this really isn't about a bunch of people looking for free rides on cosmetic procedures. There is much more involved in transhealth concerns that is often denied to us like blood work, prescriptions, and covered doctor's visits. Medical coding often hurts us in a big way, and medical bills aren't cheap in this country. Any other person attending there doctors for basic care would be covered. Why must we be excluded? Personally, I can understand why some may feel concerned about paying for cosmetic procedures and don't mind those concerns being brought up as it's not so clear cut. But must you mock your fellow neigbors by calling them "nut jobs"?. It's the total disregard of other people going through a really tough thing that disgusts me. In closing, you're free to say what you want, but you can't silence criticism for your views when you are a public figure.
Yeah, they have the right to say what they want. Therefore, I have the right to tell them that they suck. As far as that goofy "ladylike" argument. ::) Give me a break. Sometimes, my mom and one of my aunts pulls that stupid card out and attempt to play it. BUT it ONLY comes up in regards to ME. NONE of the women in my family are truly ladylike. Hell is going to freeze over before that ever happens.
As far as the medical coding issue is concerned. I have almost never had any issues with this and I've had plenty of things covered. (Doctors and hospitals want to be paid, after all.) The only time this wasn't the case was when the dorks at the insurance company stopped covering my E on the grounds that there was a "mismatch" between my gender marker and ID. This was total BS on their part, of course. They saw no issue with covering my E when I had a MALE name. Which made no sense. Once I changed my name, they told me I wasn't going to have my E covered anymore. It was completely moronic. Once I had my orchi (which was covered since it was coded as a male procedure. Even though I had a female legal name). I was allowed to change my gender marker to the "F" and then they resumed covering my E again.
It didn't make much sense.
There is a petition (https://www.change.org/petitions/mike-danger-remove-kimberly-and-beck-as-hosts-of-the-breakfast-buzz) to remove them from the show. I find what they said extremely offensive and it should be dealt with in some way. An apology or removed from the show I believe should be in order. I believe in free speech, but the things they said go beyond expressing their beliefs. Their comments serve no purpose other than to spread ignorance and hate.
They've been suspended indefinitely.
https://twitter.com/989thebuzz/status/469277642852925440
Quote from: Orihime on May 21, 2014, 09:32:27 PM
They've been suspended indefinitely.
https://twitter.com/989thebuzz/status/469277642852925440
Wow. I like that they said it as a strong statement too. Good for that station for getting on that so fast.
Quote from: L00T on May 21, 2014, 02:34:44 PM
Replace transgender with most other minorities with similar juvenile and hateful jokes and those three radio hosts would have lost their job by now. Sad. :(
^^^^
THIS
Though we really have only ourselves to blame. The reason why hate against people of color, the latino community, and even the gay community are not social unacceptable is because those folks made it that way. They spoke out
each and every time something ignorant or hateful was said about their community. They raised Cain every time someone in the media portrayed them inaccurately.
Our community, however, seems to have a very fatalistic attitude. Haters are going to hate and education is useless, confronting ignorance is a waste of time, speaking out against hateful/ignorant/inaccurate portrayals is sinking to their level or not being able to take a joke, etc.
Having freedom of speech will offend others, Definately no way around that. They can say what they want and whoever it offends, oh well. But, they actually humiliated a caller whcih you could classify as a verbal attack. Everything else I found offensive but it was their opinions and they are free to say them out loud. So no they shouldn't be fired for that. But humiliating the caller, oh yeah.
Quote from: suzifrommd on May 22, 2014, 07:00:02 AM
^^^^
THIS
Though we really have only ourselves to blame. The reason why hate against people of color, the latino community, and even the gay community are not social unacceptable is because those folks made it that way. They spoke out each and every time something ignorant or hateful was said about their community. They raised Cain every time someone in the media portrayed them inaccurately.
Our community, however, seems to have a very fatalistic attitude. Haters are going to hate and education is useless, confronting ignorance is a waste of time, speaking out against hateful/ignorant/inaccurate portrayals is sinking to their level or not being able to take a joke, etc.
I think there is a balance here. On the one hand, we are free to speak up against ignorant statements with our own free speech in retaliation. On the otherhand, we could try to enforce a mindset that everyone must subscribe to without penalization, including the loss of their livelihood. As much as I dislike the statements and wish views like that could be reduced, I'd rather win the debate through conversation rather than force. Education is a great thing, but we shouldn't be the pc police forcing sensitivity training on everyone who disagrees with us. We are free to speak up and try to change society and help nurture a more compassionate atmosphere, but we can't force people into our camp and it does more harm than good in the end. That being said, businesses and their sponsors also have the right to decide who they wish to represent them. Should they choose to go one way or the other, it's their right and it isn't a violation of the first amendment.
Quote from: Jess42 on May 22, 2014, 07:32:19 AM
Having freedom of speech will offend others, Definately no way around that. They can say what they want and whoever it offends, oh well. But, they actually humiliated a caller whcih you could classify as a verbal attack. Everything else I found offensive but it was their opinions and they are free to say them out loud. So no they shouldn't be fired for that. But humiliating the caller, oh yeah.
Yes, they are free to say whatever they want within the confines of the law - "Kimberly" is absolutely right that she has the right to be offensive.
What she missed is that she was being offensive on the company clock, and her employers are subject to community backlash. There are still boundaries that exist at all times on your rights (ie: you can't go into a theater and yell "fire"), and she and her cohort crossed the line. Obviously the employers were worried about advertisers or they got enough criticism from people that action had to be taken. Perhaps a member of management is trans or has a trans relative or is an ally - who knows?
I personally am glad that consequences happened decisively and quickly. The times are changing and singling out minority groups for ridicule simply to elect laughs from people is boorish and is becoming less and less tolerated by society.
Bigotry is never in style, especially on the public airwaves.
Quote from: Jess42 on May 22, 2014, 07:32:19 AM
it was their opinions and they are free to say them out loud.
Actually, no.
Legally, I'm not free to announce on the air that you are a known criminal, or are mentally ill, or spread any other untruth that can harm you.
That's called slander and you're entitled to legal remedies if I do that.
Likewise, if I spread untruths about an entire group, it's considered hate speech, and there are penalties that apply.
Freedom of speech simply does not include spreading untruths about a person or group.
It seems they have been fired as of 10am this morning.
https://twitter.com/989thebuzz/status/469477594212352000
I think there is misunderstanding as to where the first amendment applies and what the exlcusions to it are. Here are a few links on the subject that might be somewhat helpful.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech#United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions *
http://verdict.justia.com/2014/03/12/first-amendment-exceptions-justified
https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/hate-speech-campus
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/defamation-law-made-simple-29718.html
While the business in question has the right to employee who they desire, the host's speech is protected from government penalties under the first amendment. They can, however, be penalized by their employer if they feel they aren't a good representative of their company and believe they hurt their bottom line. It's just not a violation of the first amendment for them to say what they said nor is it for the business to take whatever action they see fit. Personally, I take the ACLU's position on the topic as I think that's the best way to move forward. Silencing people will only create more hostility and resentment rather than promoting true acceptance that we strive for. We can fight back against it and respond to them rather than force them to agree.
* Edited to include an additional link.
Quote from: kate on May 22, 2014, 10:28:18 AM
Suzi your entitled to have whatever opinion you want babe. But please refrain from implying that those of us who have CHOSEN not to speak out on this occasion, for various reasons, is a sign of weakness/apathy or being plain old lazy.
I'm really sorry. I didn't not at all mean to imply that we're apathetic or lazy.
My intention was twofold. First to point out that for those groups whom it is now socially unacceptable to publicly deride, that happened because those groups spoke out and refused to accept the treatment. And second, to point out that that so many people in our community have decided against doing what those groups did.
If I said implicitly or explicitly that we are lazy or apathetic, that is not what I meant, and I apologize.
The true picture of trans people.
Will be painted by us and those who know us.
"Did you see that thing on the news the other day?"
"There not all like that, my freinds freinds mothers sisters not like that at all. Ive met her shes a good person to be honest, and is likey to be just as offended by this persons behavour as you and me."
"realy but any man would have to be crazy to get their thing chopped off"
"Exacly? but a woman with one wouldnt. I Know if I had one Id want rid of it"
"but the news said..."
"so i should treat you like a murderer because the last 15 murderes on the news were men?"
"but im not a murderer...."
"I Know that, but i know that because I Know you. Just like I Know shes not like that person in the news."
But, that said.
This could be just hope. But without hope what is there. Ill still try and work towords this because It wont happen at all if i dont try. Also I read a lot of comments in responce to the origional link. And from what it seemed most them came from cis allies. things like "they get surgeries to conform to our binery norms" and "all they want to do is be who they are inside".
I Understand why the company fired them. But i still in some way wish tey hadnt been. I think that it will just add fuel to their hate of us. But its not antil people start getting fired for hating us, that people will stop fireing us because they hate us. If they dont want to loose their job for hating us they should understand its not fair for us to be fired for that same hate. And the only way this can happen is if haters loose their job because of it too.
Anyway sorry for ranting. It just hurts me to see such thing cause division amongst good people.
Quote from: ButterflyVickster on May 22, 2014, 11:26:16 AM
I Understand why the company fired them. But i still in some way wish tey hadnt been. I think that it will just add fuel to their hate of us. But its not antil people start getting fired for hating us, that people will stop fireing us because they hate us.
This is where I am coming from as well. Likely this will only spur up anger rather than address the problems that transpeople really face. I feel like facing those opinions and speaking out against them does more to advance understanding than forcing someone to comply by punishing them. It creates a reverse victim mentality rather than addressing the real discrimination and problems that we face in this world. But again, they were being jerks by calling us nutjobs and the station is well within their rights to decide they don't want them on their staff. I just wish their was more compassion for us as people and understanding that medical care isn't reduced to cosmetic procedures and that we face denial of coverage for basic things that are considered necessary for any other person seeking treatment (like prescriptions, blood work, and doctors visits). The lack of empathy for others and their name calling really disturbs me, but I'm not sure firing someone and taking away their livelihood was the right way to handle this.
Here is an apology they issued:
"We are very sorry for the hurt and pain we have caused anyone, especially those in the Transgender community and their friends and families. What we said and the manner in which we handled ourselves was wrong, we take full responsibility and we deeply apologize to any and all that we offended.
Our attempt was to discuss a controversial healthcare issue; however our lack of sensitivity and understanding of the Transgender people and their plight created 12 minutes of radio we that wish we could take back.
We fully understand Entercom's position and their decision to dismiss us. It is their right and we accept their decision and our responsibility in it. Entercom has been and will continue to be a strong advocate for the LGBT community and we are proud to have been helpful in Entercom's efforts over our 13 years with the company.
It is our hope that this situation can be a time of learning and understanding about the Transgender community and not a time for additional anger and insensitivity. This is a community of individuals that struggle painfully to be themselves and find the support and comfort they deserve. We believe that this can be a chance for all of us to stop the ignorance and find our humanity."
Translation: Hey, we're sorry that we got fired for our ignorant views. We're going to issue this apology so that we can be hired somewhere else. It has nothing to do with how many people we hurt.
Quote from: L00T on May 23, 2014, 12:00:04 PM
Here is an apology they issued:
We believe that this can be a chance for all of us to stop the ignorance and find our humanity."
That part in particular is utterly hilarious. What a couple of fake schmucks.
Quote from: L00T on May 23, 2014, 12:00:04 PM
Translation: Hey, we're sorry that we got fired for our ignorant views. We're going to issue this apology so that we can be hired somewhere else. It has nothing to do with how many people we hurt.
L00T, for my part, I'm willing to believe them. Their apology was worded in a very empathetic way.
I'm embarrassed to say that I shared many of their ignorant views (though I had a respect for trans people they didn't have) before learning more about them (and stumbling across the revelation that I was one). It took surprisingly little knowledge to realize how utterly lacking in empathy I'd been.
Quote from: suzifrommd on May 23, 2014, 12:54:54 PM
L00T, for my part, I'm willing to believe them. Their apology was worded in a very empathetic way.
I'm embarrassed to say that I shared many of their ignorant views (though I had a respect for trans people they didn't have) before learning more about them (and stumbling across the revelation that I was one). It took surprisingly little knowledge to realize how utterly lacking in empathy I'd been.
I'd be more willing to believe Kimberly if she hadn't tweeted about how sorry she wasn't after the uproar started. It just seems like she wasn't sorry until after it affected her career.
But I am with you on hoping that they at least learn something from this and realize that Trans people are just like everyone else and we don't want that kind of misinformation to define us.
I'll accept their apology. We all make mistakes and need to be willing to forgive the same way we would like to be when we are in the wrong. In this case, the tone of their argument warranted an apology regardless of what one thinks on the insurance issue itself. I'm glad that at least said this much after being let go. While it may not be sincere or motivated for career purposes, I don't like to keep a grudge and believe in second chances. It's when a long pattern of hate forms that I'm unwilling to forgive. But that's just me being the nut job that I am, lol. ;)
Sometimes it takes a loss of some magnitude and/or a massive slap down "from above" before people reevaluate their behaviour and attitudes.
There is only one thing though, did the apology come from their hearts or like someone else said to just be a hireable at another station?
Say I call LTL (hypthetically LTL so don't get mad) a bad name. Ms Grace bans me, moderates me or whatever else and I really don't want to be banned or stay moderated or watched at Susan's and I apologize. It doesn't mean that I changed my opinion about LTL (still just using you as an example. I do have a high opinion of you) but is that apology genuine or is it just to save face and still be accepted and so on here at Susan's?
This is genuine though, sorry for using you in a hypothetical situation, LTL. I apologize. :( What is in someone's heart may be totally different than what comes out of someone's mouth and when livelihoods or reputatons are at stake they'll say anything. Me personally I don't think they changed their stances as much as kissing up in order to find new jobs.
I don't think they should have been necissarily fired but that is up to the corporation they work for and the advertisers but make rather make ammends on air. Maybe by just having transgender people call in and explain how wrong they truly were. And apologize personally to them and then all the rest of us in way of a public apology. If they could run the gauntlent without losing thier cool and let those of us call in and have our say, it might have done our community a world of good.
Quote from: Jess42 on May 24, 2014, 11:37:27 AM
There is only one thing though, did the apology come from their hearts or like someone else said to just be a hireable at another station?
Say I call LTL (hypthetically LTL so don't get mad) a bad name. Ms Grace bans me, moderates me or whatever else and I really don't want to be banned or stay moderated or watched at Susan's and I apologize. It doesn't mean that I changed my opinion about LTL (still just using you as an example. I do have a high opinion of you) but is that apology genuine or is it just to save face and still be accepted and so on here at Susan's?
This is genuine though, sorry for using you in a hypothetical situation, LTL. I apologize. :( What is in someone's heart may be totally different than what comes out of someone's mouth and when livelihoods or reputatons are at stake they'll say anything. Me personally I don't think they changed their stances as much as kissing up in order to find new jobs.
I don't think they should have been necissarily fired but that is up to the corporation they work for and the advertisers but make rather make ammends on air. Maybe by just having transgender people call in and explain how wrong they truly were. And apologize personally to them and then all the rest of us in way of a public apology. If they could run the gauntlent without losing thier cool and let those of us call in and have our say, it might have done our community a world of good.
:'( Why did you call me a bad name Jess?
;) :D
I see what you mean and think that's very likely the case; however, I really like to give people the benefit of the doubt. We've all done wrong before and have wished to be excused for our mistakes in the past. That ability to be forgiven is really important and it's meant a lot to me when people educated me and gave me another chance. Since I believe in treating people the way I want to be treated, I can't help but feel it would be wrong for me to be unforgiving of them. Does that mean they are sincere? Not neccessarily, but I have to see past my skepticism and give them the benefit of the doubt. It's only until patterns form and people show a consistent//unchanging behavior that I refuse to do that. Still, I think you are probably right that this was put out only for PR purposes.
Quote from: learningtolive on May 24, 2014, 12:26:42 PM
:'( Why did you call me a bad name Jess?
;) :D
I see what you mean and think that's very likely the case; however, I really like to give people the benefit of the doubt. We've all done wrong before and have wished to be excused for our mistakes in the past. That ability to be forgiven is really important and it's meant a lot to me when people educated me and gave me another chance. Since I believe in treating people the way I want to be treated, I can't help but feel it would be wrong for me to be unforgiving of them. Does that mean they are sincere? Not neccessarily, but I have to see past my skepticism and give them the benefit of the doubt. It's only until patterns form and people show a consistent//unchanging behavior that I refuse to do that. Still, I think you are probably right that this was put out only for PR purposes.
For the record, I did not call you a bad name, just thinkin' it ;D
BTW I'm kind of like you or at least used to be by giving people the benfit of the doubt. But I have been burned so many times by giving them the benefit. But sometimes you just have to take things because what is truly in someone's heart may actually soincide with what ocmes out of their mouth. And yes, I am a little gullible and and an actual trusting person even after being burned so many times. Now I am a little more skeptical but even though I forgive it takes me a while to forget.
Shhh, don't tell Ms Grace I called you a bad name. ;)
Quote from: L00T on May 21, 2014, 11:28:31 AM
Story and Audio: http://www.towleroad.com/2014/05/kimbeck.html (http://www.towleroad.com/2014/05/kimbeck.html)
""Transgender or gender nonconforming. What the hell does that mean? Like you're not a woman or a man??
"The dude can look like a lady and the city is going to pay for it!" (cue "Dude Looks Like a Lady" music)
"Does that mean then if women want a boob job they'll pay for a boob job because that's only right."
"The services that will be paid for under the new coverage - gender reassignment surgery, PSYCHOLOGICAL COUNSELING, because you're probably a NUTJOB to begin with!"
"It's a slippery slope. Then if some woman can go to a doctor and it'd be proven that she's got mental issues because her rack's not big enough then you know what? she deserves a boob job, Right Kimberly? Or she deserves liposuction."
"Right, IF YOU CAN PROVE YOU'RE A NUT, I guess."
Kimberly and Beck then go on to discuss female trans athletes, including one at a local school, and how they should definitely not be able to play sports...
"When he steps up to the plate, doesn't he have two bats?"
Finally, a woman calls in to tell them "it's incredibly disrespectful towards transgender people. Please don't spread any misinformation especially when you're joking about it."
One of the hosts replies: "Thank you, SIR" as the others laugh."
Listen to the audio on the page above. It's really gross how they mock the listener calling them.
Oh Well freedom of speech I guess but does this radio station actually have sponsors? It would be interesting to know who would be stupid enough to openly advertise a product or service on something as socially volatile as this.
Quote from: Hayley on May 22, 2014, 09:35:20 AM
It seems they have been fired as of 10am this morning.
https://twitter.com/989thebuzz/status/469477594212352000
Freedom of speech ONLY projects speech. I does not provide protection against legal consequences that result from speech. I guess these two idiots didn't know that when they opened their mouth.
Quote from: L00T on May 23, 2014, 12:00:04 PM
Here is an apology they issued:
"We are very sorry for the hurt and pain we have caused anyone, especially those in the Transgender community and their friends and families. What we said and the manner in which we handled ourselves was wrong, we take full responsibility and we deeply apologize to any and all that we offended.
Our attempt was to discuss a controversial healthcare issue; however our lack of sensitivity and understanding of the Transgender people and their plight created 12 minutes of radio we that wish we could take back.
We fully understand Entercom's position and their decision to dismiss us. It is their right and we accept their decision and our responsibility in it. Entercom has been and will continue to be a strong advocate for the LGBT community and we are proud to have been helpful in Entercom's efforts over our 13 years with the company.
It is our hope that this situation can be a time of learning and understanding about the Transgender community and not a time for additional anger and insensitivity. This is a community of individuals that struggle painfully to be themselves and find the support and comfort they deserve. We believe that this can be a chance for all of us to stop the ignorance and find our humanity."
Translation: Hey, we're sorry that we got fired for our ignorant views. We're going to issue this apology so that we can be hired somewhere else. It has nothing to do with how many people we hurt.
Apologies always make me laugh. If they were really sorry they wouldn't have said those things to start with. The only thing they are sorry about is losing their job and now they are worried about future employment. As far as work in the media they can forget it. That bigoted crap will follow them around for the rest of their lives. It just astounds me that in this age of political correctness people are still stupid enough to say crap like that IN THE MEDIA!!!
Quote from: Amy1988 on June 09, 2014, 07:39:43 PM
It just astounds me that in this age of political correctness people are still stupid enough to say crap like that IN THE MEDIA!!!
Well....hmmm...honestly....I HATE the idea of "political correctness" and think it's a vile thing that has been brought about. "Political Correctness" is just a phrase that is used to stifle free speech.
But before y'all decide to come after me with pitchforks and torches, let me say this:
I don't see it so much as "being PC" (ugh....*shudders*) I see it as more like being a decent and civilized human being (in its true form. not all of that twisted crap that some people try to make into being, like bigots tend to do.) I think the media tends to distort things and coupling that with how dense some people can be, you have this whole "PC" thing that muddles it all in the end.