I just really don't think I have it at all. I'm really coming to the realization that I have a pretty huge frame. I've been trying to convince myself otherwise, but the fact that my body is 110% male is really settling in. I can get really skinny, but that sort of accentuates the fact that I have a really masculine skeleton. I have a frame that kick-boxers would kill for. I'm tall (6'0"), really long with a tiny pelvis, no hips or butt at all, fairly broad shoulders, have volume loss in my face, my rib cage is pretty deep, and my hands are huge and veiny. I can't see how breasts would ever look remotely natural on my body with the depth of my rib cage; 38 is maybe the smallest band I could get too, maybe 36 if I got lucky and that's with pretty much no meat on me. In being around large groups of people lately, I'm realizing that I'm always the largest one. People will be taller than I am or broader than I am, but I can tell just about anyone would be a better candidate, even really muscular or overweight men. Underneath it all, everybody seems to have a smaller skeleton than me besides the occasional giant.
I pretty much feel like it's inevitable that sooner or later I'll end up offing myself. It's pretty much all I think about. Last night I found myself looking up assisted suicide groups, seconal and other overdose methods. At the same time I really don't think I could do it, but I'm afraid that I'll get worse as I age. I'm not at all crazy, just horribly depressed with what I am. I really don't think transitioning is an option for me and I'm sure if I did, then I'd be stuck in the in-between. In the end I think it would be harder for me to look in the mirror than it already is. I really do think I would have been very pretty if I'd started a few years ago. I wanted to say something as a kid, but I didn't want friends to know, my father, or the rest of my family. I haven't had friends for about 6-7 years now, my father has been dead since I was 15, and now my entire family knows; so I'm sitting here as I am, having hidden myself for reasons that don't matter anymore. I can remember just a few years ago. I didn't always have volume loss, a bigger frame or these damn hands, and now I just can't shake the regret. I'm pretty much crippled. I can't do anything that involves other people anymore, just seeing them makes me feel like even less of a person. Even seeing other transpeople who have successfully transitioned depresses me.
A lot of people will come out and say nobody's perfect or something similar, but let me just say that nearly everyone I see on this site is a better candidate to
transition than I am - even if your older, taller, or whatever - I can pretty much guarantee that your skeleton is smaller and less masculine than mine. I really have no idea what to do TBH. I really don't want to die, but I see no way of ever being able to look in the mirror without wanting to throw myself out the window. I guess maybe getting on antidepressants may help, but these feelings are so overpowering that I really don't see them doing much in the long run.
I really don't want to sound like a baby. I was originally going to ask for tips on how to just deal, but again I feel really hopeless and I'm realizing now that there isn't really much to say. I guess I'll maybe give it a shot and go on hrt, but again, I don't see much that can be done; mostly because of my rib cage depth. I guess I'll ask if maybe somehow getting hips, a butt, large breasts, and a smaller waist would lessen the appearance of a male rib cage? I guess I'd be willing to go with body implants at this point. Has anyone had any success with corseting and tapering their ribs inward a bit? I just really want to be able to look in the mirror...
You need to talk to a gender therapist about this. You will get better. Do not abandon hope. Get resolute. Find a therapist now and send them an email. Make an appointment. Send an email to your doctor. Talk to a professional. Girls come in all shapes and sizes.
Please seek help if you need to too, suicide is very serious. physically, you probably aren't as big a disaster as you say. I mean, my band size is 36, that's with no fat, I'm thin, and I'm 5 7, so as far as ribcage goes, I've got you beat on size to height ratio, I'm pretty self conscious about it, but honestly I look much more feminine than I expected. Life isn't easy, gender dysphoria is a killer, please dont let it destroy you.
I don't know what ells to do for you.
But your fears all seem to be stemmed from a feeling that your body is "too big". Ive met a cis woman that would put Arnold to shame. she was big.
Have you looked up transition stories, diaries on youtube? I Saw a jaw dropping woman burst out of a silver backed gorilla. You see the woman first, and i was SHOCKED at what sort of body they started with. They were huge.
A trans friend of mine is over 6 foot has big hands and big frame. She just looks like she could have stepped off the plane of Amazonian warrior princess's. And not transgendered.
The goal of many people / society is to be girly. Many natural women are not. Dysphoria makes us focus on the "ideal figure in the mind" rather than accept that actually there are many different shapes. I was shopping In Zurich yesterday and saw a few natural tall / large women. Yes the norm is short and round - but their body language and clothing and makeup all said "woman". The downside - they also have to cope with being looked at a lot. But not for the wrong reasons.
A light interlude - consider visiting The Netherlands or Sweden. There are many tall natural women living there who are over 6 foot. Guess the Viking bloodstock survived. Just set you are from there...
As I've mentioned to you before, I'm 6'3" and much of my frame has dropped away on HRT. Thing is, you sound like you're writing yourself off without giving yourself a chance. If continuing to live as a male is not an option in the long term you at least need to give yourself the benefit of the doubt. I seriously thought I would stand zero chance of passing when I first reengaged with the idea of transition. I'm so glad I didn't listen to that doubting nay sayer otherwise I would still be living a miserable life. And don't think it's easy for me, I still have to be careful about my presentation and behaviour every step pf the way.
My advise is look around , see the woman shapes and sizes.And what you see ? All moviestar types >:-)
There us a chance that the wil call you a UGLY woman ,but looks are not all.The way you talk and move are more important to blend in.There are some tall woman in this world,so nothing new.
So The question ,just be happy and live in the lifestyle you like.
hugs BlonT
I'm 6'1. While you're right, most people are smaller than we are, I have a number of girlfriends who are almost my size, and are very feminine. Being on HRT will probably ease your mind as well, once all that T is taken down. Most importantly, before my transition, I had very few friends, although I was popular when I chose to be. I couldn't have friends and didn't like going out because I couldn't be my true self with anyone but my spouse. After transition, even though I deliberately like to mess with people's minds in the middle of the gender spectrum, I am ma'amed most of the time (whether or not they believe I was born a female is irrelevant to me; as long as they treat me and respect me as one now, which they do), and I have made many dozens of amazing new friends in a new city who all know the real me and so I can let them into my life as they in turn let me into theirs. This was one of the most amazing parts of my transition.... I hadn't realized how alone I had made myself. I thought I'd lose what few friends I had; instead I gained so so many new ones.
If you think you have nothing to lose, then you may as well try what at least might make you happy.
I am 6'3" and HRT is wonderful.
I was at zero and HRT was the last thing I wanted to do. I tried to kill myself lots of times, planned it and when it came time to execute I just could not. Then I had 2 back to back spontaneous attempts and it briefly alleviated my mental anguish. I knew there would be a 3rd attempt. I got help, therapy and the medication I needed for my birth defect.
I have the perfect way to kill myself but now I feel good and am at a different place.
Dysphoria will intensify in time.
I have 6 work friends. My wife is my friend. At age 23 I went from very very sexually active to celibate for 7 years. I meet my future wife and she became my friend. We dated for 3 years. She wanted to get married. After marriage 4 years (I wanted to wait) we had a child. I was 325 pounds, out of control alcoholic, diabetic, drug user and abused meds while drinking and now had to raise the most beautiful little thing my eyes set on. I lost 125 pounds and I am alcohol and drug and smoke free. Alcohol was tough, not eating was tough, drugs was tough, dysphoria was impossible. At 50 I wanted out I could no longer take it. I had 16 years of pure hell from dysphoria. Drugs and alcohol deadened the dysphoria but it still was there.
HRT, I risked my wife, daughter and job and everything I had worked for my entire life (I am a workaholic, well, was a workaholic, that is changing on HRT). 1 year in and HRT is outstanding.
I am 6'3" 205 pounds ( I want to get to 180). I have small hands, thin fingers. Under my breasts exhaled is 36". I had/have MPB but that is improving greatly and have a lot of growth. I am going to therapy, group and starting to change my non-work cloths. My hair is just touching my shoulder (the feeling is amazing). Last night I went out to celebrate my birthday. I had on skinny jeans and no bra (I have breasts, small) and I was proud of my chest. My body is a host of my gender. I wish I was beautiful on the outside and realize I will be when I am beautiful on the inside.
I noticed every shirt I have is getting big on me. The shirt cuffs are at the top of my palms and use to be at my wrist. I am losing muscle :)
Hugs and get help.
About a year ago I was looking in the mirror and thinking the same - damn, I am not going to make this, because I am too big. Now, when I try my older coats, windbreakers, jackets - I look like a scrarecrow in them. The stuff is hanging loosely and arms are too long. Why? Cause those shoulders are gone - they were muscles, tissue and meat. I dropped about 2 inches from both sides and went from L size to S within one month. And if I had a stronger will and stuck to diet, I would have been even smaller now. I was quite big bloke, not huge, but as my friends said later, I looked as someone better not to mess with (I have the pics to prove, lol).. My ribcage was about 38-39, now it is 34 1/4, mostly because of muscles melting away - and there is still some stuff to go... I would not say that my chest looks super sexy atm, but I can actually see a potential now, providing that remaining muscles would tone down as well. OK, I am 5.9 and this not going to change and I do stick out a bit, but I dont really stress about it - two females in our office are actually taller than me, my boss included...
So, dont underestimate Yourself - You can look totally different by only dropping some 20-30 pounds with estrogen doing its work and melting muscles into subcutaneous tissue.
I'm 5'8" with a 40" band size, so like someone else said I've gotcha beat in the size vs. height ratio. I am very far from having a body like a model, so I do like all other women in the world do and I dress to downplay the parts of my body I don't like and I dress to play up the parts of my body that I do like. For example, large loose swingy tops with 1/2-3/4 sleeves look good on me, sleeveless tight tops do not.
I would suggest that you spend a day at the mall and find a place to sit and get a cup of coffee and take some time to watch the other women you see out and about. I doubt you'll see many beauty queens but you are very likely to see a lot of very average looking women, many with larger bodies than you have. And they are just going about their life, not concerned in the least about their body build. No one pays them any attention because of their body size.
HRT will reduce your body size a bit and will add curves and most importantly HRT will help mentally with the feelings you are having. My own life went from intolerable and dark to one that is full of hope and happiness on HRT - it was like flipping a switch from darkness to light.
Taking yourself out of the game is not the answer; please don't take that option. Do you have a gender therapist that you can talk to about these concerns and feelings?
The problem with me is that my frame isn't going to melt away. I don't have much fat or heavy muscle at all. Most areas I can feel bone with ease. I was 135lbs last summer, and I was a bit thinner, but basically the same size. I was just so thin that I lost all the volume across my entire face which makes you look far more masculine. I use to have a super feminine face, now I've lost all the roundness. I'd gladly add 150 lbs if I had a smaller frame beneath. I'd just loose the weight. My shoulder blades sticking out when I'm not perfectly postured is a big problem as well, makes my back look much bigger.
I just really feel screwed in every respect. I can see looking ok when I do get dressed up and all, and I suppose with hormones, some debulking, ffs, electrolysis and hopefully a few other things I'd look better. I usually get depressed when I'm look at myself with stubble and while just wearing guy clothes so maybe that's why I can't see it. Once I find a therapist who knows what their doing, I think I will give it a shot. I almost feel like there's nothing to lose and I am terrified of feeling worse about it with age. At the same time I'm afraid things could get worse if I do transition.
Thanks everyone, and sorry for bumming you out on routine...
Quote from: TiffanyT on June 01, 2014, 12:20:21 AM
You need to talk to a gender therapist about this. You will get better. Do not abandon hope. Get resolute. Find a therapist now and send them an email. Make an appointment. Send an email to your doctor. Talk to a professional. Girls come in all shapes and sizes.
Amen to what Tiffany has said!
Quote from: TiffanyT on June 01, 2014, 12:20:21 AM
You need to talk to a gender therapist about this. You will get better. Do not abandon hope. Get resolute. Find a therapist now and send them an email. Make an appointment. Send an email to your doctor. Talk to a professional. Girls come in all shapes and sizes.
This is so true!
I would like to know what scale you are using to compare yourself to. I have seen cis females with a build most pro football teams would love. We come in all sizes and shapes girl. Happiness, not physical presentation is what I wanted. Being a retired Paramedic/Firefighter my body tells the story of my life and all I have done. Now it is a happy story! :)
Quote from: TheQuestion on June 01, 2014, 08:29:51 AM
The problem with me is that my frame isn't going to melt away. I don't have much fat or heavy muscle at all. Most areas I can feel bone with ease. I was 135lbs last summer, and I was a bit thinner, but basically the same size. I was just so thin that I lost all the volume across my entire face which makes you look far more masculine. I use to have a super feminine face, now I've lost all the roundness. I'd gladly add 150 lbs if I had a smaller frame beneath. I'd just loose the weight. My shoulder blades sticking out when I'm not perfectly postured is a big problem as well, makes my back look much bigger.
I just really feel screwed in every respect. I can see looking ok when I do get dressed up and all, and I suppose with hormones, some debulking, ffs, electrolysis and hopefully a few other things I'd look better. I usually get depressed when I'm look at myself with stubble and while just wearing guy clothes so maybe that's why I can't see it. Once I find a therapist who knows what their doing, I think I will give it a shot. I almost feel like there's nothing to lose and I am terrified of feeling worse about it with age. At the same time I'm afraid things could get worse if I do transition.
Thanks everyone, and sorry for bumming you out on routine...
C'mon hon, you and I have talked and I think you're taking it over the top. I told you I'm 5' 7" and wear a 42 - 44" band size, was a starting fullback in HS and built myself to look like a brick. So for a starter you haven't even taken the first step by seeking out a gender therapist. You haven't been on hormones and experienced the dramatic changes they bring about to mind and body. It's time to get it in gear and get off the pity party bandwagon and forget about suicide because it's just too permanent for what's really just a temporary hump that you have to jump over. C'mon girl, don't let yourself down like that, we want you to be a winner like I had said you will be.
Quote from: Shantel on June 01, 2014, 09:32:04 AM
C'mon hon, you and I have talked and I think you're taking it over the top. I told you I'm 5' 7" and wear a 42 - 44" band size, was a starting fullback in HS and built myself to look like a brick. So for a starter you haven't even taken the first step by seeking out a gender therapist. You haven't been on hormones and experienced the dramatic changes they bring about to mind and body. It's time to get it in gear and get off the pity party bandwagon and forget about suicide because it's just too permanent for what's really just a temporary hump that you have to jump over. C'mon girl, don't let yourself down like that, we want you to be a winner like I had said you will be.
Thanks Shan, and again I appreciate the support. I'm not trying to gain pity from anyone; I'm just pretty scared about the whole thing. I did see a therapist, but it was a bad match. He was listed as having experience, but it was clear that he dealt mostly w sexual performance issues. Then I got wait listed for a local health center and I've had trouble finding anyone who'd take my insurance. I just tried to contact another. I'll have to pay out of pocket w no insurance coverage, but I just really am desperate to see someone. She seems promising, so I'm hoping to hear back. And don't worry, I'm not going to kill myself, but that's how miserable I am. I sort of fantasize about it these days, but I don't actually want to do it. I really am hoping that I'm not hopeless. Guess I just have to find out...
Give the hormones a chance... PLEASE don't make any permanent decisions before at least seeing what HRT can do for you for a couple years.
I started at 5'8" and 42 band size, and I still wear a 42 in all but the most expensive bras, but I don't look exceptionally broad across the rib cage. (2 points : 38 is now the average American woman's band size, and boobs will make the rib cage look smaller. And a bonus third point, most people are not that good at eyeballing someone's band size versus breast size anyway. :) ) You're taller than I am and weigh a lot less than I do, and that means HRT adding a bit of fat to your frame could change things *drastically.* Even relatively small changes in fat distribution across butt and hips will look huge when you started off so slim. And don't underestimate how much muscle you can have even in bony places; I would have sworn my wrists were all bone, but I went from 17" bracelets to 14".
Quote from: TheQuestion on June 01, 2014, 10:21:27 AM
Thanks Shan, and again I appreciate the support. I'm not trying to gain pity from anyone; I'm just pretty scared about the whole thing. I did see a therapist, but it was a bad match. He was listed as having experience, but it was clear that he dealt mostly w sexual performance issues. Then I got wait listed for a local health center and I've had trouble finding anyone who'd take my insurance. I just tried to contact another. I'll have to pay out of pocket w no insurance coverage, but I just really am desperate to see someone. She seems promising, so I'm hoping to hear back. And don't worry, I'm not going to kill myself, but that's how miserable I am. I sort of fantasize about it these days, but I don't actually want to do it. I really am hoping that I'm not hopeless. Guess I just have to find out...
Get to a therapist as soon as you can. Give HRT a chance. Everything changes and you will be surprised. I'm larger than you in every respect but I've been on HRT for 16 months or so. I pass in the body with no problem. I had FFS for an overly masculine face. But I pass REAL WELL right now.
Hugs,
Jen
Quote from: Jenna Marie on June 01, 2014, 10:32:52 AM
Give the hormones a chance... PLEASE don't make any permanent decisions before at least seeing what HRT can do for you for a couple years.
I started at 5'8" and 42 band size, and I still wear a 42 in all but the most expensive bras, but I don't look exceptionally broad across the rib cage. (2 points : 38 is now the average American woman's band size, and boobs will make the rib cage look smaller. And a bonus third point, most people are not that good at eyeballing someone's band size versus breast size anyway. :) ) You're taller than I am and weigh a lot less than I do, and that means HRT adding a bit of fat to your frame could change things *drastically.* Even relatively small changes in fat distribution across butt and hips will look huge when you started off so slim. And don't underestimate how much muscle you can have even in bony places; I would have sworn my wrists were all bone, but I went from 17" bracelets to 14".
Hopefully your right. If I start hrt, then I'm going to initially drop down about 20lbs to 130, then I'm gonna pack on about 50lbs and get to 180, which I've never been before. After that I'd try getting back down to 145 or however light I could go while still having good fat distribution. I'm not sure if that'd be a good route, but I'm assuming it would be.
Quote from: Jenna Marie on June 01, 2014, 10:32:52 AM
And don't underestimate how much muscle you can have even in bony places; I would have sworn my wrists were all bone, but I went from 17" bracelets to 14".
I've had to have two links removed from my metal watchband three times so far and even now it has become loose again. OMG I think I'm becoming rather delicate due to years on feminizing HRT! :D ;D
Quote from: Shantel on June 01, 2014, 10:54:14 AM
OMG I think I'm becoming rather delicate due to years on feminizing HRT! :D ;D
Well, this is the part where You cant have a cake and eat it too... You are either a brick, or... You are not :). Not that being a brick was not easier...and sometimes this friggin delicacy just gets in the way when things need to be sorted out... but not that I really mind it :).
Quote from: TheQuestion on June 01, 2014, 10:40:26 AM
Hopefully your right. If I start hrt, then I'm going to initially drop down about 20lbs to 130, then I'm gonna pack on about 50lbs and get to 180, which I've never been before. After that I'd try getting back down to 145 or however light I could go while still having good fat distribution. I'm not sure if that'd be a good route, but I'm assuming it would be.
Dont take this the wrong way, you are a bit hung up on weight honey. I was too, its not nearly so easy to control with hormones. A good tactic I recommend, cycle gaining and losing somewhere between 5-10, or dont worry so much about it, I certainly am not anymore. Dont try to plan how your body will handle this, cause it just isnt plannable.
You must realize that beauty is interputed differently by all people. I'm just saying I am 6'1 280 in pretty good shape. My wife is 5'7 and a bigger girl. People are surprised because I look like I would want to be with a super fit girl. But truth is personality is huge when it comes to choosing our mates. Like I tell my wife all the time; stop only looking at the negative and start looking inside at the positive. Beauty comes from within nomatter what people want to say it's true. Be the beautiful person you are within and allow that shine out when all hope seems lost. The world is a beautiful place; it's time to open your eyes and see that =)))
Quote from: ashrock on June 01, 2014, 02:14:50 PM
Dont take this the wrong way, you are a bit hung up on weight honey. I was too, its not nearly so easy to control with hormones. A good tactic I recommend, cycle gaining and losing somewhere between 5-10, or dont worry so much about it, I certainly am not anymore. Dont try to plan how your body will handle this, cause it just isnt plannable.
I'm not hung up on weight at all, in-fact, being 165-180lbs may be better for me as it could hide my skeleton better and make me look softer overall. I have made it look like I'm concerned with weigh, sorry about that. I just dont want to look bulky and it wouldn't take much on my frame to do that. I'd drop down to 130 before hrt. I'm only about 150 now and I literally can lose 20lbs in about two weeks or possible a bit less. I don't gain weight as of now and when I do cardio and eat salad, water, peanuts and almonds (basically anything aside from junk) the weight just can't stay on. I was tested for a hyperactive thyroid a couple years ago, my metabolism is that fast. I'm also really disciplined w what I eat and working out when I want to be. My mother is the same way with losing weight. After hormones, who knows how my metabolism will be, but before I start I can totally get to 130 with ease. Adding 50lbs on hrt will hopefully soften me up a lot and in the right places. I don't know if I'd want to lose much weight after, maybe just get down to 170-175. I'd go down a bit more if I still looked bulky tho. I guess if I have the money I could also stay heavier and get fat transfers from my male areas.
Quote from: TiffanyT on June 01, 2014, 12:20:21 AM
You need to talk to a gender therapist about this. You will get better. Do not abandon hope. Get resolute. Find a therapist now and send them an email. Make an appointment. Send an email to your doctor. Talk to a professional. Girls come in all shapes and sizes.
YES YES YES AND YES. How you look is only one part of the package. There is your attitude your personality how you carry yourself voice. You can look like a runway model but if you believe you are going to be seen as some guy as a dress that is how people will see you. That is why counseling and a support network is so important for all of us. Yes you are right HRT is not a miracle drug that will change your skeletal structure but it will help soften your skin melt away some features and help make you more feminine. People come in all shapes and sizes so after a little while you will blend in with the rest of the crowd, with nobody being none the wiser
Go directly to a therapist now
Do not pass go
Do not collect $200
Please, give yourself a chance. That comes from a person who 4 years ago posted on this forum a question in regard of removing one of her lungs in order to get smaller ribcage... I was so depressed about my chest and arms I wasn't far from killing myself. I was saying I won't ever live successfuly as a woman with such a broad frame as mine. And 5 years of HRT later... People tell me I'm "petite", "skinny", "slim", those are exact words people describe me with. and I'm stunned at it, as I see a giant, not as much of a giant as I used to but still.
It's all in your head, start HRT, take a deep breath, fight for yourself, get professional help.
Good luck!
That's all I want to do is blend in...
I once told a friend that I envied her narrow shoulders, and she replied: "we're the same size, aren't we?" She'd never noticed I was half a mile wider than her because she'd never thought about it. We notice because we think about it, but most cis-folk don't think about it.
theres no need to be down about you size im 6ft 6inch tall i have size 13 uk feet ok i can get in to size 12 (uk) bottoms but my shoulders are that wide that i have to go to between a size 18-22 for tops. and even worse than that before i started a phytoestrogenic diet, if i did not remove bodily hair i could of been mistake for chewbacca out of star wars.
and just remember what one of very hot girl friends told me, tall is sexy
I really appreciate all the comments, they have made me feel a lot better. I'm really hoping I can find a new therapist sometime this week. Hopefully I'll be able to go into things with a positive attitude, and hopefully that will translate. You've all been pretty great, thanks. I guess I just need to get use to the idea that I'm going to be a well build woman.
TheQuestion - Don't give up! I'm 6'0" and was muscly before I started transition. I came a hair trigger away from offing myself, but then I had a realization - I had three choices: 1) Continue to live in misery, 2) Off myself, 3) Change. I knew that #1 was no longer an option. Then I realized that I might as well try #3 because if that didn't work out, I could always off myself later. As fate would have it, and about 16 years later, I am here to tell you that I am extremely happy that I didn't choose option #2!!!! And there is absolutely NO WAY I would choose that one now, or ever.
I found that after transition my life turned around 180-degrees for the better. I was happier, people treated me better, good things began happening for me and people were interested in me and my story. I am a firm believer that whatever happens, how people respond to you, depends more on you and your attitude about yourself than anything else. People adopt the attitude you have about it. If you're excited and happy, they are too! If you act depressed and hateful about it, they'll act that way too.
It's hard, but you have to let go of fear. I used to get all dressed-up in the years before I went full-time and when I opened my front door there was a wall of fear so thick I couldn't pass through it... until one day, when I decided ->-bleeped-<- this fear!!!! I'm going outside, AS ME!!!!! And I did. I went to a local support group as Annah Moore for the very first time in my life and I haven't looked back since. Life is as totally kick ass as you make it. Don't let yourself drag you down. Don't let your fear keep you from doing what is in your heart. Don't apologize for who you are, to anyone, not even to yourself. You own you. Nobody else. Own it baby!!!!
I'm thinking once you have the right hormones in your brain that you're perception of what is possible will shift.
The best treatment (in addition to therapy) will be to go on HRT.
have you thought of going onto a phyto-estrogenic diet? its not something you need medical help with as i will only give you a small amount of the hormones that you will be eventually on.
if you eat 200 grams of foods with a high level of phyto-estrogen's daily your body will absorb about 35-50 mg of estrogen's it doesnt sound alot but since i started this diet at Christmas and after about 4 week i felt thing had really started to change, mostly mentally but also i have lost some body hair and my breasts are more sensitive.
the kind of foods you will be eating are nuts, seeds, dairy, dried fruit and a small amount of beer (beer puts weight on so be careful )
Quote from: Elanore joey on June 02, 2014, 12:39:06 PM
have you thought of going onto a phyto-estrogenic diet? its not something you need medical help with as i will only give you a small amount of the hormones that you will be eventually on.
if you eat 200 grams of foods with a high level of phyto-estrogen's daily your body will absorb about 35-50 mg of estrogen's it doesnt sound alot but since i started this diet at Christmas and after about 4 week i felt thing had really started to change, mostly mentally but also i have lost some body hair and my breasts are more sensitive.
the kind of foods you will be eating are nuts, seeds, dairy, dried fruit and a small amount of beer (beer puts weight on so be careful )
That's actually my normal diet over the last year of so. I eat a lot of peanuts and almonds, and soy milk as well. I don't really drink beer; I sort of hate the taste of alcohol. I am a bit of a pig sometimes and I can eat a lot of junk. I'm totally addicted to coke, not cocaine mind you, coca-cola and I'm a Dorito fiend; but I can drop that stuff fairly easily. I don't need to lose weight really, but the estrogen would be nice I suppose.
Anyway, I just got in contact with a therapist. I'm just waiting to hear back from her as to when a good time to schedule a session would be.
If that's your face in the avatar, I wouldn't be too concerned. I think you look great! I wish I had that.
I was concerned with body shape as well, but not so much anymore. I don't have the dream girl shape, but so what? When I shop I seek help! It's amazing how different clothing style's can do a lot of the body transformation work for you. I try to find one of the stores fashion consultants to work with me to find outfits that work best for me. Trust me, most stores will love to help you. I'm not as successful when shopping is left up to me. Not everything I like works for my body, but I'm amazed at how other things really work when I wouldn't think they would. This is what built my confidence.
Stacy~
Quote from: TheQuestion on June 02, 2014, 04:54:30 PM
Anyway, I just got in contact with a therapist. I'm just waiting to hear back from her as to when a good time to schedule a session would be.
Awesome. Congratulations and I hope she works out for you. This is a big step.