Hey all,
I've been browsing this forums for reviews about emisil's prosthetics and they seem to have an issue with adhering to the body (yet no one has really followed up on a review on their latest product which apparently went through changes? https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=158764.0)
I'm looking to purchase this model next week:
http://www.emisil.com/Prosthetic-store/Erect-Prosthesis/UPDATED-Erect-Prosthesis-ss4.html
Which adhesives should I review?
My budget is flexible - as long as I can figure out what works. I'm gonna order the xtra strength adhesive from ReelMagik. Any other suggestions?
* I'm specifically looking for a prosthetic that can stay to my body while having sex.. so I'll review this as soon as I can get my hands on one.
Thanks ;D
I think that Emisil recommends a specific adhesive, so you may want to use that.
On emisil's site it says you will have to use a harness with the erect model. People were complaining that even the flaccid didnt adhere. The flaccid was changed. If you are wanting an erect, I would email him and ask him specifically about that.
They sent me some adhesive with my replacement purchase. I can test that out tonight. I'll let you know the brand and how it works.
Quote from: Brett on July 03, 2014, 01:04:27 PM
I think that Emisil recommends a specific adhesive, so you may want to use that.
On emisil's site it says you will have to use a harness with the erect model. People were complaining that even the flaccid didnt adhere. The flaccid was changed. If you are wanting an erect, I would email him and ask him specifically about that.
Thanks for the info. I just send them over an email.
Quote from: Nowhereboi on July 03, 2014, 01:09:38 PM
They sent me some adhesive with my replacement purchase. I can test that out tonight. I'll let you know the brand and how it works.
Thanks so much ;D
The brand they sent was Telesis 5 Silicone Adhesive. Will be testing later this evening; just wanted to get that information to you.
I have an emisil erect prosthetic, it's a great product but simply won't adhere - I've tried the reelmagik extra strong and hollister adhesives, and from the feel of the back and the way it interacts with adhesive and skin, compared to the reelmagik prosthetic which I also have and adheres brilliantly, I think it's safe to sadly say that with the material they make emisil prosthetics from, the erect model simply won't adhere without a harness.
Quote from: Elliot on July 04, 2014, 08:22:52 AM
I have an emisil erect prosthetic, it's a great product but simply won't adhere - I've tried the reelmagik extra strong and hollister adhesives, and from the feel of the back and the way it interacts with adhesive and skin, compared to the reelmagik prosthetic which I also have and adheres brilliantly, I think it's safe to sadly say that with the material they make emisil prosthetics from, the erect model simply won't adhere without a harness.
Hey, thanks for coming in, Elliot. I think it is great when someone who has direct experience will post. I know you have written this before, so I think it is pretty cool that you rewrite it in new Emisil threads. I know I would appreciate it if I was new to Emisil products and hadn't read old threads.
I am glad that Emisil is upfront on his site about the need for a harness. I suspect this wasn't mentioned in the past. Perhaps this was just because he didn't know. As an aside, does anyone know if he is FTM or is bio male?
I'm looking forward to Nowwhereboi's review for the flaccid. I did order a stylishflesh about two weeks ago, and I will be sure to give a review.
Quote from: Elliot on July 04, 2014, 08:22:52 AM
I have an emisil erect prosthetic, it's a great product but simply won't adhere - I've tried the reelmagik extra strong and hollister adhesives, and from the feel of the back and the way it interacts with adhesive and skin, compared to the reelmagik prosthetic which I also have and adheres brilliantly, I think it's safe to sadly say that with the material they make emisil prosthetics from, the erect model simply won't adhere without a harness.
Hey Elliot - thanks for the info. When did you purchase it (just curious if it was before or after their product updates)?
Also got a response back from Emisil:Hello Mr *****,
All our prostheses now have:
• Bigger pubic hair arena.
• Flap / tab is a lot thinner than before.
• Prostheses are lighter.
We are far advanced, from the time we started to produce penis prosthesis. Now prostheses are ultra HD quality and all our products have stronger exterior surface than before.
Currently we are updating our web site. We did a lot of testing and now we are using new materials, which have very good grip with medical adhesive. Now penis prosthesis adhesive very well to the body, using Silicone Medical Grade Adhesive.
Telesis Adhesive 5-Silicone based adhesive. Please click on the link below, to see all details:
http://www.formx.eu/sfx-make-up/adhesives--solvents/silicone-cosmetic-adhesive/telesis-5-adhesive----60ml.php (AMSTERDAM)
Other recommended adhesive:
http://www.cosmesil.de/index.php/cat/c42_Hautkleber-und-Entferner.html (GERMANY)
http://www.factor2.com/category_s/26.htm ( USA )
http://www.technovent.com/solventbasedadhesives.html (UK)
If you use these adhesives, you will also need an adhesive remover:
http://www.formx.eu/sfx-make-up/adhesives--solvents/removers/index.php (AMSTERDAM)
I think that these products and you can find and in your city or state.
But if you're going to play hard, we recommend wear harness/strap-on to avoid unpleasant situations. Such as disbonding etc.
Best regards, Emisil
I think the removers would be similar. Dealing with VAT taxes and overseas shipping for this stuff is kind of high if you are in the US (if not carry on). Probably a lot of folks make a decent remover.
--Jay
So I think my update got eaten...
But the short version is that the Telesis adhesive did not work well for me. Both the larger and smaller prosthetics were able to adhere, but did not stay stuck. The heavier one kind of slid and peeled off under its own weight after a few minutes, while the lighter hung on longer but not securely. I do not think this was an issue with the tab (though they could be a bit better shaped-more of a curve might help it cup the body a little better and might reduce the risk of peeling) or the prosthetic. I think it's about finding the right adhesive...then again, I don't have anything to compare it with.
The only thing I did notice was that the tabs curled outwards (towards the shaft and away from the body) after I peeled them off. I don't know why this happens, but it kind of reminds me of how tape curls up after you peel it off of a flat surface. At first I thought the adhesive or remover had done something to the silicone, but I think it's more of a physics-y kind of thing. They straightened right out under some heavy books, so I wouldn't worry too much.
I'm thinking the lola jake tape kit might be a worth while investment?
Quote from: ephone on July 04, 2014, 09:45:31 AM
Hey Elliot - thanks for the info. When did you purchase it (just curious if it was before or after their product updates)?
I bought my prosthetic about a year ago now, so it was before the updates. It does however sound as though (from the reviews such as nowhereboi here) people seem to be unfortunately having the same problems I did.
Quote from: Nowhereboi on July 14, 2014, 07:39:44 PM
The heavier one kind of slid and peeled off under its own weight after a few minutes, while the lighter hung on longer but not securely. I do not think this was an issue with the tab (though they could be a bit better shaped-more of a curve might help it cup the body a little better and might reduce the risk of peeling) or the prosthetic. I think it's about finding the right adhesive...then again, I don't have anything to compare it with.
This is pretty much how I'd describe what happened so I think it may be a problem generically with adhesive and the emisil. To me it was just a no no straight away compared to using the adhesive on the Reelmagik.
In no doubt their future product development will address these issues, it's just a shame how difficult and costly it is to find the perfect prosthetic.
Quote from: Nowhereboi on July 14, 2014, 07:39:44 PM
So I think my update got eaten...
But the short version is that the Telesis adhesive did not work well for me. Both the larger and smaller prosthetics were able to adhere, but did not stay stuck. The heavier one kind of slid and peeled off under its own weight after a few minutes, while the lighter hung on longer but not securely. I do not think this was an issue with the tab (though they could be a bit better shaped-more of a curve might help it cup the body a little better and might reduce the risk of peeling) or the prosthetic. I think it's about finding the right adhesive...then again, I don't have anything to compare it with.
The only thing I did notice was that the tabs curled outwards (towards the shaft and away from the body) after I peeled them off. I don't know why this happens, but it kind of reminds me of how tape curls up after you peel it off of a flat surface. At first I thought the adhesive or remover had done something to the silicone, but I think it's more of a physics-y kind of thing. They straightened right out under some heavy books, so I wouldn't worry too much.
I'm thinking the lola jake tape kit might be a worth while investment?
1)What makes you think it is the adhesive, rather than the prosthetic?
2)Is the adhesive you used the one they recommended?
I used the adhesive they sent me (Telesis 5). It is not the adhesive they recommend by name on the website, but as they do state that any silicone adhesive can be used/the bond-strength of the adhesive depends on the person, I'm not sure this means much in particular. I will try the specified adhesive as it isn't too costly ($30 bucks) and is also recommended by LolaJake for use with their tape kit.
As for why I think it may be the adhesive rather than the prosthetic, I've just been reading up on some old posts about other difficult to adhere prosthetics:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=98347.0
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,92391.20.html
http://transguys.com/product-reviews/packers
Useful quotes:
"One thing I wanted to say is that you need to allow time for the adhesive to dry. At least a couple of hours before you declare the whole thing a failure. If you feel motivated enough you can purchase the tape kit from Lola Jake. That cuts the drying time in half."
"It's been tricky getting the thing to dry in the right place. It takes a few hours actually. If I start wearing it without making sure it's completely dried it tends to slide to one side. Which obviously doesn't look quite right and gets glue everywhere. I've ended up with my clothing glued to me a few times."
"I have to stand holding on to it tight for like 5 minutes and then sit down holding it for another 10 or so. Then I put on a tight jockstrap to hold it there while moving very carefully for hours. However like I said once it is glued it will stay put through showers and sleeping for days. I do have to do occasional touch-ups around the edges but that's not a big deal. I hate taking it off. Going through that whole drying ordeal is no fun. "
"Can some one tell me what exactly the Lola Jake "Tape kit" is made out of? I THINK the tape kit is just strong silicone adhesive that bonds the prosthetic TO a strip of plastic tape...which you THEN use medical adhesive to stick to the skin. Because silicone does not stick to skin directly very well, so it essentially sticks to something to it that does stick to the body better."
Maybe I didn't wait long enough...maybe I didn't secure it properly while it dried...maybe some sort of "barrier" might help things stay stuck. Or maybe it's just the wrong adhesive for my body chemistry.
Or it could just be the prosthetic. I mean, clearly SOMETHING is up with the prosthetic if RM doesn't require all this effort and guesswork. I'm just wondering if it's something that can be overcome, you know?
Quote from: Nowhereboi on July 15, 2014, 08:10:02 PM
I used the adhesive they sent me (Telesis 5). It is not the adhesive they recommend by name on the website, but as they do state that any silicone adhesive can be used/the bond-strength of the adhesive depends on the person, I'm not sure this means much in particular. I will try the specified adhesive as it isn't too costly ($30 bucks) and is also recommended by LolaJake for use with their tape kit.
As for why I think it may be the adhesive rather than the prosthetic, I've just been reading up on some old posts about other difficult to adhere prosthetics:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=98347.0
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,92391.20.html
http://transguys.com/product-reviews/packers
Useful quotes:
"One thing I wanted to say is that you need to allow time for the adhesive to dry. At least a couple of hours before you declare the whole thing a failure. If you feel motivated enough you can purchase the tape kit from Lola Jake. That cuts the drying time in half."
"It's been tricky getting the thing to dry in the right place. It takes a few hours actually. If I start wearing it without making sure it's completely dried it tends to slide to one side. Which obviously doesn't look quite right and gets glue everywhere. I've ended up with my clothing glued to me a few times."
"I have to stand holding on to it tight for like 5 minutes and then sit down holding it for another 10 or so. Then I put on a tight jockstrap to hold it there while moving very carefully for hours. However like I said once it is glued it will stay put through showers and sleeping for days. I do have to do occasional touch-ups around the edges but that's not a big deal. I hate taking it off. Going through that whole drying ordeal is no fun. "
"Can some one tell me what exactly the Lola Jake "Tape kit" is made out of? I THINK the tape kit is just strong silicone adhesive that bonds the prosthetic TO a strip of plastic tape...which you THEN use medical adhesive to stick to the skin. Because silicone does not stick to skin directly very well, so it essentially sticks to something to it that does stick to the body better."
Maybe I didn't wait long enough...maybe I didn't secure it properly while it dried...maybe some sort of "barrier" might help things stay stuck. Or maybe it's just the wrong adhesive for my body chemistry.
Or it could just be the prosthetic. I mean, clearly SOMETHING is up with the prosthetic if RM doesn't require all this effort and guesswork. I'm just wondering if it's something that can be overcome, you know?
Nowhereboi,
Thanks for taking the time to look up all of that and even separate out quotes for us. I certainly think there is no downside to trying different things (in fact, I would do the same thing), I was just wondering your train of thought.
If you are willing to take those extra steps, I know I for one would appreciate it. Right now we know of no one else around who has the Emisil in hand and is willing to try different adhesives. As you know, I very much like the look of the Emisil and would really like this to be an option for me.
Thanks again for keeping us in the loop.
I have the Emisil as well but I never even tried to use it yet. It isn't the 'updated' model but they seem to look the same. I also bought xtra strength adhesive for it but never got around to trying the prosthetic out at all. Now, I'm on the road to phalloplasty so I don't think I will ever end up using it. When I had talked to Emisil after I ordered the prosthetic since people were having adhesion problems, they said that in order to use it for sex you would have to use a harness.
So I'm trying the Telesis again, this time with a super tight jock and briefs to hold everything in place where it's meant to be. I'm using the smaller prosthetic, which stuck better originally. I think some of my adhesive evaporated (the bottle wasn't as tight as it should have been), so that sucks. But it does seem to be...stickier somehow? I'm not sure why that is, or if I'm imagining it but. We'll see. In the mean time, I'll work on the other parts of my review.
Quote from: Nowhereboi on July 17, 2014, 07:49:38 PM
So I'm trying the Telesis again, this time with a super tight jock and briefs to hold everything in place where it's meant to be. I'm using the smaller prosthetic, which stuck better originally. I think some of my adhesive evaporated (the bottle wasn't as tight as it should have been), so that sucks. But it does seem to be...stickier somehow? I'm not sure why that is, or if I'm imagining it but. We'll see. In the mean time, I'll work on the other parts of my review.
Thanks for trying different techniques and keeping us updated. You rock!
So, the Telesis didn't work out for me. I've ordered the recommended Secure Brand adhesive, so we'll see how that goes. It wasn't to expensive, and I figure if anything I can also use it with my yet-to-be-ordered RM in the future, so.
In super surprising news...Emisil is sending me ANOTHER prosthetic.
They were concerned about the adhesion issue and decided to make more changes. They apparently want me to test out their updated product?
I...don't know how that happened, but I'm super excited.
Quote from: Nowhereboi on August 10, 2014, 11:43:27 AM
So, the Telesis didn't work out for me. I've ordered the recommended Secure Brand adhesive, so we'll see how that goes. It wasn't to expensive, and I figure if anything I can also use it with my yet-to-be-ordered RM in the future, so.
In super surprising news...Emisil is sending me ANOTHER prosthetic.
They were concerned about the adhesion issue and decided to make more changes. They apparently want me to test out their updated product?
I...don't know how that happened, but I'm super excited.
Sounds like good news. You must be their official tester or something, haha. But anyways.. I ordered a prosthetic myself but from a different company, and I was wondering what went wrong for you and the Telesis. Would you recommend it for packing prosthetic use or is it too weak for those purposes?
Thanks for the update, nowhereboi, please let us know what happens with the new adhesive and also if the new prosthetic is different.
Does anyone know if the owner is FTM? If not, it really does explain how he wouldn't be good at testing whether or not this thing stays adhered between one's legs!
Quote from: Brett on August 12, 2014, 05:01:47 PM
Thanks for the update, nowhereboi, please let us know what happens with the new adhesive and also if the new prosthetic is different.
Does anyone know if the owner is FTM? If not, it really does explain how he wouldn't be good at testing whether or not this thing stays adhered between one's legs!
Even of he isn't I'd have thought that he could test it on skin elsewhere just to see if it would stick.
I'd probably do if I was a designer just for the novelty factor of having a penis sprouting from my knee or something.
Quote from: lxndr on August 13, 2014, 02:11:06 AM
Even of he isn't I'd have thought that he could test it on skin elsewhere just to see if it would stick.
I'd probably do if I was a designer just for the novelty factor of having a penis sprouting from my knee or something.
lol
I am just trying to figure out why the guy said it adhered when he first came out with the product (it didn't), and then said it changed the product so that it NOW adheres (and it still doesn't). How does he not know it doesn't adhere long term (past like 30 minutes)? Changing a product then advertising this change as adhering only to fail again? Not good for business. He should just ask any female bodied person to wear it for research if he is unable to wear it himself. I am just trying to figure out what the deal is. His dealings with nowhereboi seems to indicate a desire to please his customers, so kind of confusing.
I guess if I am reading nowhereboi right this is the first time he will try the specific adhesive Emisil recommends though, so there is hope.
EDIT: I looked back at older posts. I am incorrect. The latest adhesive that didn't work for nowhereboi, Telesis, WAS sent by the company. Hopefully, the one he just ordered will work.
Quote from: Nowhereboi on August 10, 2014, 11:43:27 AM
So, the Telesis didn't work out for me. I've ordered the recommended Secure Brand adhesive, so we'll see how that goes. It wasn't to expensive, and I figure if anything I can also use it with my yet-to-be-ordered RM in the future, so.
In super surprising news...Emisil is sending me ANOTHER prosthetic.
They were concerned about the adhesion issue and decided to make more changes. They apparently want me to test out their updated product?
I...don't know how that happened, but I'm super excited.
Hey!
Thanks so much for testing this out. I've actually been emailing them a few weeks ago and stated that I decided not to buy the prosthetic due to the adhesive issue and linked him to this thread! I guess they're actually being really proactive about this :)
This was the response I got:Hello XXXX,
We have just read all comments in susans forum. We are going to take serious steps to improving the properties of adhesive to the body.
Best regards, Emisil
Hey guys, sorry I've been so late with the reviews, but my life is a little out of control at the moment.
I did get the chance to try out the "improved" prosthetic with the recommended adhesive, however. The long story short is that it still doesn't adhere well. The tab is thick, about 2x as thick as the original prosthetic I received. I believe this is due to a layer of textured silicone that was added to improve adhesion. It DOES improve the adhesion, especially with the Factor 2 glue. However, the thickness causes it to curl severely at the edges, which nearly undoes any advantage. It won't fall off, but it will slide around, leaving trails of adhesive everywhere. And it will look very, very strange.
FIY, adhesive on your delicate bits burns. And it's pretty much impossible to get the stuff on without it getting exactly where it's not meant to be. I imagine that this could be an even bigger issue for dudes with a lot of growth from T. Combine that with the slide factor and you have a mess. If you're a bigger person, your skin WILL stick together. Clothes lint, pet hair, and and whatever else will stick to you and your prosthetic no matter what you do. Like the back of a sticker, or a piece of duct tape everything stays sticky, so...yeah.
And the remover is essentially paint thinner. Or lighter fluid. Not exactly something you want to put on your body, IMO. I really don't trust it, especially on areas that I had to shave to get stuck-together hairs off of...
I love the design and color and feel of the improved Emisil. But as far as adhesion goes...it just didn't work well. Moreover, I don't think I like the process, mess or potential health risks of using adhesive and remover on my junk. So. I think I'm going to invest in some super sexy jocks and call it a day. The great thing about Emisil's thinner tabs is that they make harness use a lot easier. The overall look is a lot more realistic, as well as you don;t need to wear the shaft through a ring in order for it to stay on. I made my own harness based on Raw Studio's C-Scoop jock and you can't even tell.
Hey, Nowhereboi, thanks so much for the review. Thanks for hanging in there, and trying several from Emisil. I feel like you took one for the team, and I, for one, thank you for that!
I hope life settles down for you.