Well the doctor was cool and all but he said he cant start guys on hormones and come back after my srs. I meam like wtf. The very fact is he said he cant is a total lie! I wasted my time and a fare i could of used for something else. Total time waste and his practice is for trans girls specifically
That's strange. Don't trans women typically start hormones before having srs?
That really is so odd.
If you can, I would suggest finding another doctor.
Quote from: Edge on July 11, 2014, 02:58:43 PM
That's strange. Don't trans women typically start hormones before having srs?
No doctor worth a damn will even perform SRS without letters stating the patient had been on hormones for at least one year.
Sorry this has happened, Brianna. :(
Quote from: Vampire Brianna Terryal Onyx on July 11, 2014, 02:57:15 PM
Well the doctor was cool and all but he said he cant start guys on hormones and come back after my srs.
OMG did he really refer to trans girls as 'guys'?!?
You're right that he's talking out of his backside. There is absolutely no requirement for you to have SRS before getting hormones; quite the oposite. Please don't be downhearted: write this guy off for the idiot he is and find a different doctor.
You know, it
is possible for a doctor who is opposed to trans* people for personal, cultural or religious reasons to set up a practice deliberately to prevent us from transitioning. Perhaps that's what's going on here?
my dysphoria has be controlled enough that i have a little more patient and not just cut the damn thing off but not anymore. not only am i extremely dysphoric but i'm pissed off severely. one of the female admins even ask me in a pleading, sorrowful way if i would come back after. i felt sry for her. the doctor is completely rude and all he was talking about was vaginas right in my face! i mean like wtf is wrong with some of these male doctors -.- i hope i can get in contact with my endo because this is turning into a serious situation. i never wanted this gross, dangle thing gone so badly. i tried showing patience and restraint but after today, its gone. i even walked 5 miles just to blow off steam. oh forgot to mention i did get something good out of today. i called called ms by the front desk person
Quote from: FTMDiaries on July 11, 2014, 03:25:44 PM
Sorry this has happened, Brianna. :(
OMG did he really refer to trans girls as 'guys'?!?
You're right that he's talking out of his backside. There is absolutely no requirement for you to have SRS before getting hormones; quite the oposite. Please don't be downhearted: write this guy off for the idiot he is and find a different doctor.
You know, it is possible for a doctor who is opposed to trans* people for personal, cultural or religious reasons to set up a practice deliberately to prevent us from transitioning. Perhaps that's what's going on here?
no its not even cultural because he said his practice was made for post op trans girls. i think this guy just is homophobic because i'm trying to start hormones and he just thinks i'm crazy
I have heard of asking 3 months of therapy, but SRS? That is like saying in order to get driving lessons you have to own a Ferrari. Most people seem to decide if transition is right for them or not in the HRT stage where most changes are reversible, to get SRS first would just be insanity.
oh oh oh, i forgot the kicker. he said i was just experimenting with the drugs. if i was experimenting i would be self medicating by now and i would be desperately seeking medical help to get on hormones.
Is that not part of the reason we are usually started on a low does to begin with, 'to experiment' to see how the body handles the hormones (that is a drug) at the start and then they adjust the does? Sounds like this quack is a cousin of Hewey Duewy and Screwy.
Brianna I think it's time you find another doctor like now
Quote from: immortal gypsy on July 11, 2014, 04:42:19 PM
Is that not part of the reason we are usually started on a low does to begin with, 'to experiment' to see how the body handles the hormones (that is a drug) at the start and then they adjust the does? Sounds like this quack is a cousin of Hewey Duewy and Screwy.
Brianna I think it's time you find another doctor like now
i'm hoping my GP is back or i can go see my endo again. either one would help me. this is becoming a serious problem, because i dont know how long i can keep my dysphoria in check anymore after what happened today
Quote from: Vampire Brianna Terryal Onyx on July 11, 2014, 04:10:14 PM
i hope i can get in contact with my endo because this is turning into a serious situation.
This is who I thought you were seeing today...
That's the person to be talking to about getting started on HRT.
Not a surgeon, not a psychiatrist, so take your letter from your therapist and go see the endo to get started.
You're getting the runaround here or talking to the wrong people.
You have a letter of recommendation from your therapist?
Who set up the appointment to see a surgeon?
I don't know where you are, but here, informed consent is pretty much all you need, but a letter gets you farther.
I get mine from a medical Dr who also writes scripts for HRT, but with a letter, even my regular Dr can prescribe them if they are at all familiar with HRT.
HRT just isn't that hard for them to look up and find a dose that's right for you.
It's not like you're asking for narcotics... It's Spiro and E now or pretty soon, right after you start Spiro and it's working OK.
Somebody is leading you astray from who you should be seeing or you're getting this all mixed up.
You have the letter, you see an endo and you get a brief physical and the talk about side effects, because you are using Spiro for one of it's side effects.
You should be able to get an appointment within a week. Once you're stable on Spiro, you get E in one of the different ways there are.
Some get them together, right away. You don't need to see a surgeon or psychiatrist to get the scripts.
Quote from: Ativan Prescribed on July 11, 2014, 05:01:18 PM
This is who I thought you were seeing today...
That's the person to be talking to about getting started on HRT.
Not a surgeon, not a psychiatrist, so take your letter from your therapist and go see the endo to get started.
You're getting the runaround here or talking to the wrong people.
You have a letter of recommendation from your therapist?
Who set up the appointment to see a surgeon?
I don't know where you are, but here, informed consent is pretty much all you need, but a letter gets you farther.
I get mine from a medical Dr who also writes scripts for HRT, but with a letter, even my regular Dr can prescribe them if they are at all familiar with HRT.
HRT just isn't that hard for them to look up and find a dose that's right for you.
It's not like you're asking for narcotics... It's Spiro and E now or pretty soon, right after you start Spiro and it's working OK.
Somebody is leading you astray from who you should be seeing or you're getting this all mixed up.
You have the letter, you see an endo and you get a brief physical and the talk about side effects, because you are using Spiro for one of it's side effects.
You should be able to get an appointment within a week. Once you're stable on Spiro, you get E in one of the different ways there are.
Some get them together, right away. You don't need to see a surgeon or psychiatrist to get the scripts.
i was seeing an endo but she said go see an OB/GYN so i went to see one today and just....ugh! i'm going back to my endo once my GP contacts her
You're getting a major runaround.
I'm finding it pretty hard to believe all of this.
There's more to this than you're talking about?
Why did the endo send you to see a OB/GYN?
I thought you just said it was a surgeon?
How does your GP fit into this?
Did you get a letter from a therapist?
This should be just step one, two, three....
lemme give you all the run down.
1. i got into therapy in april
2. got blood work down in april
3. went to see an endo for a consultation in may
4. got my letter in june
5. called my GP to ask my endo if i can get in early but she said i needed high dose Estrogen so she said to go see an OB/GYN
6. called an OB/GYN to schedule an appoint late june but it was pushed up to mid july
7. went to the OB/GYN today and had a very bad experience because he just basically said get out of my office but do come back when you have SRS
Skip the GP and schedule an appointment with an endo who knows what you want.
Leave the GP, and everyone else out of it.
You have the letter, your GP is talking crap and doesn't get it, the OB/GYN has nothing to do with it.
Go see the endo. Period.
Quote from: Ativan Prescribed on July 11, 2014, 05:25:00 PM
Skip the GP and schedule an appointment with an endo who knows what you want.
Leave the GP, and everyone else out of it.
You have the letter, your GP is talking crap and doesn't get it, the OB/GYN has nothing to do with it.
Go see the endo. Period.
no it was my endo who said i needed to see an OB/GYN. my GP was only relaying the message. i can go back to see her but if i have my GP call her explaining the situation directly, i'll get in earlier. apparently i'd need to be on the edge for anyone to take notice. i know this is a process but damn it all i dont need all this roundabout. i guess its because i'm half way into puberty since i started late and now that i've dived in to this, i'm starting to feel the full affects. god i should of waited until later on. at least than i wouldnt be this far gone
Given that timeline, I can *almost* understand him saying that - OB/GYNs specialize in vaginas, after all, and so he probably *is* only seeing post-op women and handling their hormones as a "favor" in addition to his usual downstairs work. Once post-op a woman doesn't need intensive monitoring and dosage adjustment, after all, which he likely isn't qualified to do. (None of which, of course, excuses that he was also a rude jackass about it.)
The real question is why your endo, whose job description this IS, decided to refer you to him in the first place... I've never heard of anyone else being sent away from an endo like this.
For the life of me I cannot understand why you would be referred to an OBY/GYN? It's nonsensical. I'd be asking the endo if she has actually ever treated trans patients. Do you have a local community LGBT center, maybe they can suggest practitioners and endos in your area who are competent. Hugs.
Quote from: Ms Grace on July 11, 2014, 06:00:36 PM
For the life of me I cannot understand why you would be referred to an OBY/GYN? It's nonsensical. I'd be asking the endo if she has actually ever treated trans patients. Do you have a local community LGBT center, maybe they can suggest practitioners and endos in your area who are competent. Hugs.
idk iabout centers in my area. my endo is willing to help me but i guess she assumed i need high dose. its weird really. i'm just as puzzled but seeing as my GP is an internist, she may provide some direction because i'm sick of male doctors. i hope she is back because i have a follow up on tuesday with my GP
I'm sure Google will answer the question of local LGBT, just enter "LGBT gender support" and your city or state into it and see what it spits out. Having an endo who knows what they are doing is very different to one who is willing to help you. Again, I can't see why she would think a high starting dose is the way to go. Add that to the OB/GYN referral and I have to ask if she has a clue about treating M2F?
Quote from: Ms Grace on July 11, 2014, 06:14:15 PM
I'm sure Google will answer the question of local LGBT, just enter "LGBT gender support" and your city or state into it and see what it spits out. Having an endo who knows what they are doing is very different to one who is willing to help you. Again, I can't see why she would think a high starting dose is the way to go. Add that to the OB/GYN referral and I have to ask if she has a clue about treating M2F?
idk, all i know is that idk how much more of this back and forth i can take. i'm trying my best to distract myself from going into my drawer of shiny sharp objects or making an appointment at the hospital and just getting it over with. after today, my dysphoria has never been so extreme and i had pretty close calls at the beginning learned to cope and now this mess happened and i'm back to square one. i may seem calm but thats because i'm trying not to tear myself a part. i know its a process but this isnt necessary at all
Sorry but you are just having trouble finding doctors that understand the GD. They seem to be pushing the buck per say to others.
Do you live in the states or some other country in the world.
There has to be REAL help in your area that understand.
Sorry Evelyn you are way out of line.
Taking matters in your own hands has left many DEAD.
So if you want to have Vampire Brianna life on your hands then keep up your pushing.
Isabell
Vampire is already nearing her breaking point. What I've suggested is pretty much common knowledge around these parts.
So what difference does it make?
Quote from: Evelyn K on July 11, 2014, 06:48:07 PM
Vampire is already nearing her breaking point. What I've suggested is pretty much common knowledge around these parts.
So what difference does it make?
What you are suggesting is someone who need real help not a loaded gun.
Well. I'm a -6 reputation poster. Maybe I'm full of sh*t and can't be taken seriously...
be happy i dont give -1. i wont self medicate because if any of you found out, you'd have my head. i'm left with 2 options now. i either beg my GP for blockers until i can get my feet on the ground and find a doctor for E or the latter isnt so pretty at all. forget my sig because frankly its meaningless to me right now
Brianna,
I know how you feel, i have been fallowing your post and sorry it seems you can not catch a break,
The answer is to keep moving forward in a professional way. You need to find a good support network that is looking out for your health.
I do not see what you have been through is gatekeeping but more a lack of knowledge dealing with someone young with GD.
The help is there, do not give up. We all have had to put so much time in waiting we know it hurts.
Hugs
Isabell
Quote from: Vampire Brianna Terryal Onyx on July 11, 2014, 06:53:38 PM
be happy i dont give -1. i wont self medicate because if any of you found out, you'd have my head. i'm left with 2 options now. i either beg my GP for blockers until i can get my feet on the ground and find a doctor for E or the latter isnt so pretty at all. forget my sig because frankly its meaningless to me right now
Why do you care what others here think? :D
It's not a good way to lead your personal health decisions.
You are the captain of your own soul.
i'm trying, i really am, but lets face it, i wasted to much time when i had the chance and now that i'm in this and i'm being tossed around like a rag doll, always on the edge of sanity and insanity and basically coming out as far as i did is only making me question my existence even further. i hate being in this position and i was so well controlled, so well managed and had my dysphoria under control so i can remain sane but look what happened. one little thing and i'm back at the bottom. i wish i could see my therapist and just talk until i'm blue in the face but i cant. i'm barely hanging on by a thread.
Well. This is what happens when you put all your trust into the "authority".
Brianna I wish you joy and happiness. I know you'll find your way.
Hang in there.
Quote from: Evelyn K on July 11, 2014, 06:57:27 PM
You are the captain of your own soul.
And you are not the one who will be in charge of whats written on your head stone.
Never the answer, to much real help out there that care for life.
Sorry Evelyn i just can not accept anything you say as helpful.
Maybe you have not stood at the grave site of sisters or brothers who have passed.
Maybe you should someday.
Izzy
i shouldnt even open this up. only feeling worse than before. i think i really should just go. i'm like literally in a pool of tears
Quote from: Vampire Brianna Terryal Onyx on July 11, 2014, 07:14:31 PM
i shouldnt even open this up. only feeling worse than before. i think i really should just go. i'm like literally in a pool of tears
There a many here for you. I know you are hurting and feeling beat up. We all have been there but we have survived.
Deep Breathe and take some time to relax.
Hugs
Isabell
Quote from: mind is quiet now on July 11, 2014, 07:19:08 PM
There a many here for you. I know you are hurting and feeling beat up. We all have been there but we have survived.
Deep Breathe and take some time to relax.
Hugs
Isabell
i wish it was that simple. the last time i cried, i almost committed suicide. i'm not an emotional creature and when i do even shed a tear, the whole world around me just falls a part. i havent tried suicide this time because i'll suffer still in death so i may as well rot away and that way i wont suffer as much. of course history repeats itself so i'll remain in this same vicious cycle over and over and over again. its funny how something so minor as discomfort can shatter a diamond and turn it to dust. it seems like i need literally bleed out for my cries to be heard. my old friend is calling me for a play date. i'm not crazy nor am i insane. i am as calm as a summer breeze. i dont take things personally, i listen and act accordingly. i mind my own business and i dont get involved unless needed it. i'm a neutral being and i'm fair to all. so this is what it feels like to have completely fallen. ha, i never knew. i'm trying my hardest not to hit the humanity off switch but the button is so tempting
Quote from: Vampire Brianna Terryal Onyx on July 11, 2014, 07:14:31 PM
i shouldnt even open this up. only feeling worse than before. i think i really should just go. i'm like literally in a pool of tears
Take a step back, cry scream let it all out today and tomorrow if you must. Then back to work, as Grace suggested have a look around for a LGBT support group in your area. We have all suffered the odd setback or half dozen on this journey, don't worry you are not the first or the last. We will be here to help pick you back up and hold you when you're feeling down, and be there with you to celebrate when your journey is over. You will get there hugs Brianna, please don't do anything today you might regret tomorrow or next week.
Who will I have to talk nonsense, vampires and wearwolves to if you go. (okay selfish for me but it shows someone will miss you)
This is such BS I'm too pissed to write. Even an old lady like me can only hear, arrrggg I can't even type on my phone. Sorry I'll try again later. Hang in there.
idk what to do anymore. i try not to get to emotional because of the circumstances surround this whole thing so i try to be as aloof as possible so i dont get to hurt but this has brought me over the top and beyond. i cant tell you how shattering and crush i feel. its searing pain worse than the inferno's of hell x100. i'm even starting to feel physical pain and my limbs are going numb.
Quote from: Vampire Brianna Terryal Onyx on July 11, 2014, 06:18:45 PM
idk, all i know is that idk how much more of this back and forth i can take. i'm trying my best to distract myself from going into my drawer of shiny sharp objects or making an appointment at the hospital and just getting it over with. after today, my dysphoria has never been so extreme and i had pretty close calls at the beginning learned to cope and now this mess happened and i'm back to square one. i may seem calm but thats because i'm trying not to tear myself a part. i know its a process but this isnt necessary at all
Sweetie, it might feel like square one but
isn't the same square, not by a long shot. I think you have matured immensely in just the last few months - you are starting to learn to cope with the disappointments life can throw up and that is a damned important step. You are actually a lot closer to moving onto the next square than you realise.
Look at it this way, you are still in with a huge chance of getting what you want and need, why waste that opportunity doing something rash and harmful? You will get there, I know it hurts now and is maddeningly frustrating rage material but it is a relatively small setback in the large scheme of things. Soon, OK? :)
I agree with Ms Grace. You will get there. You are not back to square 1. And you don't need to figure it all out right now. So, the next step is to find some ways to comfort yourself and keep talking here. Then it's call the doctor. one step at a time, ok? you can do this.
Quote from: Ms Grace on July 11, 2014, 08:09:19 PM
Sweetie, it might feel like square one but isn't the same square, not by a long shot. I think you have matured immensely in just the last few months - you are starting to learn to cope with the disappointments life can throw up and that is a damned important step. You are actually a lot closer to moving onto the next square than you realise.
Look at it this way, you are still in with a huge chance of getting what you want and need, why waste that opportunity doing something rash and harmful? You will get there, I know it hurts now and is maddeningly frustrating rage material but it is a relatively small setback in the large scheme of things. Soon, OK? :)
hurting myself its really an option anymore and suicide isnt a choice because face it, i'll suffer worse than i do know if i go knocking at death's door again. its like putting your hand in glass trying to pick up the pieces. strange i even thought about just cutting my hair knowing thats a huge trigger factor. may as well until i can square things away
well, thnx, i need to vent even though i only feel slightly better.
what kind of coping skills help you? you did dbt?
when can you call your gp?
Quote from: christopher on July 11, 2014, 08:31:46 PM
what kind of coping skills help you? you did dbt?
when can you call your gp?
already called as soon as i left the doctor's office. i go see hopefully my actually GP on tuesday. all my coping skills dried up and i've tried going DBT skills but i need to wait to calm down and let subside before i try it again because it'll just make it worse right now
This is fishier than the ocean! :icon_suspicious: :icon_suspicious: :icon_suspicious: :icon_suspicious: :icon_suspicious: :icon_suspicious: :icon_suspicious:
Quote from: Jessica Merriman on July 11, 2014, 11:26:45 PM
This is fishier than the ocean! :icon_suspicious: :icon_suspicious: :icon_suspicious: :icon_suspicious: :icon_suspicious: :icon_suspicious: :icon_suspicious:
i dont even want to go into it but if its fishy enough that its blowing your mind, what is fishy about it so i can clear it up. please do pm me though. i rather not start up a whole another conversation about it
Quote from: Hikari on July 11, 2014, 04:22:31 PM
I have heard of asking 3 months of therapy, but SRS? That is like saying in order to get driving lessons you have to own a Ferrari.
Ok I lol'ed...
thats terrible though I dont understand why he said something like this,
anyways try to find another doctor dear...
A few years ago my SO was suffering from serious adrenal insufficiency syndrome, bordering on addison's disease.
She went to an endocrinologist who took one test which returned a normal result (though on the low end) and literally told her she was crazy and it was all in her head.
Turns out the test he gave her was for primary adrenal insufficiency, but she has Sheehan's syndrome, which means the broken part is in her brain, from bleeding out during surgery, and not her adrenal glands themselves so when he injected her with the hormone that triggers the adrenal glands, they worked.
Very few things make me angry. Doctors who deny people treatment when they are obviously suffering (whether through laziness or incompetence) are definitely among them.
I hope you find a new doctor soon sister.
My thoughts are with you.
-Anna
i just really hope my GP is back in the office on tuesday. she would be willing to help me figure out something. i'd just need to fill her in on whats going on
Quote from: Vampire Brianna Terryal Onyx on July 12, 2014, 01:23:43 AM
i just really hope my GP is back in the office on tuesday. she would be willing to help me figure out something. i'd just need to fill her in on whats going on
She can probably give you a new referral.
Honestly you might even ask her if that behavior is reportable. No person (trans or not) should be told they have to surgically change their genetalia before they can get any medication that will help them.
Good luck!
-Anna
Quote from: mind is quiet now on July 11, 2014, 07:03:30 PM
And you are not the one who will be in charge of whats written on your head stone.
Never the answer, to much real help out there that care for life.
Sorry Evelyn i just can not accept anything you say as helpful.
Maybe you have not stood at the grave site of sisters or brothers who have passed.
Maybe you should someday.
Izzy
I think what she meant to say was that you should be making informed decisions for yourself, not solely based on the consensus of the majority.
Quote from: jname on July 12, 2014, 07:11:04 PM
I think what she meant to say was that you should be making informed decisions for yourself, not solely based on the consensus of the majority.
i'm sry but do not comment on anything that evelyn as said in this post. if your going to make a comment, make it so it would help me because i'm about 3 seconds away from ask a mod to lock this
Topic has more than run it's course.
Topic locked!