I would ask who of you had no breast development?!
I often read here about A, B and C-cups ... thats really frustating to me. :'(
Who of you got no boobs like me? How do you handle the long, long time until you have a surgery?
Hugs Galaxy
Nobody with these problems??? :-\
Galaxy
I'm only on low dose E and they have a mind of their own and are growing rampantly.
So no not me.
J
Unfortunately it is quite random. Remember cis girls take years to 'blossom'
When I tried to transition the first time I had very little (pretty much no) development and that was after two years on HRT.
It has fortunately been a different story this time - I can't say why. I'm over twenty years older so you'd think the opposite would be true. I am on different HRT - medication and delivery. I was actually on four different drugs the first time, this time only three so I presume I'm on a lower dose than before. Really couldn't say why.
I think I caught a pic of you on one of the photo threads, yes? From what I remember you seemed to be very pretty - so I can't see you having trouble passing. I can understand though why you'd feel upset about the lack of breast development- that's exactly how I felt at the time.
Many cis women are likewise not blessed in the boob department and are quite devastated by it - hopefully though you will be, you just need to give it time.
I'm 18 month now on hormones and have 8cm. 10cm would be AA cup. In other words: I still need 2cm to have the first bra-cup!!!
I dont wait for a further development, that would be stupid i think. My question goes in another direction: How can i handle it in my mind everyday? Ive a huge problem to look in the mirror. My little breast looks like muscles like bodybuilders have - thats very, very masculine in combination with my chest and my strong arms. I think a man would be very happy to look like these. That makes so unhappy all the day :'(
Galaxy
Quote from: galaxy on August 04, 2014, 05:07:02 AM
I'm 18 month now on hormones and have 8cm. 10cm would be AA cup. In other words: I still need 2cm to have the first bra-cup!!!
A bit over 3 years on hormones here and you've had more development than I've had..
QuoteI dont wait for a further development, that would be stupid i think. My question goes in another direction: How can i handle it in my mind everyday? Ive a huge problem to look in the mirror. My little breast looks like muscles like bodybuilders have - thats very, very masculine in combination with my chest and my strong arms. I think a man would be very happy to look like these. That makes so unhappy all the day :'(
Galaxy
How do I cope? Kinda simple really. They may not be much, but they are mine. I've waited a long time for them. Sure, I'm not overjoyed at their size, but I could still be completely flat.
Galaxy,
Just think that you're like any other woman out there. Overly conscious about her flaws but totally blind to her better attributes. Realise it's unhealthy but natural female thinking, rather than thinking of it as part of your dysphoria.
Give the upper body time - takes forever for anything to happen if you're talking about muscle atrophy.
Its all genetics, my family varies from DD thru to A. I had a B cup, up until 2 months ago. I noticed my boobs shrunk but it was the disappearing pec muscles. Now its more A+ but really soft and no big pec muscle underneath. The fat build up is great for a BA if and when I decide.
Quote from: galaxy on August 04, 2014, 05:07:02 AM
I'm 18 month now on hormones and have 8cm. 10cm would be AA cup. In other words: I still need 2cm to have the first bra-cup!!!
I dont wait for a further development, that would be stupid i think. My question goes in another direction: How can i handle it in my mind everyday? Ive a huge problem to look in the mirror. My little breast looks like muscles like bodybuilders have - thats very, very masculine in combination with my chest and my strong arms. I think a man would be very happy to look like these. That makes so unhappy all the day :'(
Galaxy
I have yet to start my HRT, but I still would put implants on the back burner. You may get them only to find a sudden spurt in development later on that could make them too unproportionally large or cause issues with the implants. 18 months is not that long. I mean, I want my breasts now and no more hair, but especially where surgery is concerned patience is a must. I'm also no medical expert so I could be way off here too. But I've read many different accounts of when and how big us girls blossom so to speak.
I plan my augmentation this year - it depends on my insurance and if the pay the costs.
It can took another couple of month and for my mind it is every new day a bit harder to accept my body ... i think it will be a very hard time until surgery. :'(
Quote from: galaxy on August 04, 2014, 06:21:04 AM
I plan my augmentation this year - it depends on my insurance and if the pay the costs.
It can took another couple of month and for my mind it is every new day a bit harder to accept my body ... i think it will be a very hard time until surgery. :'(
I am far from replacement for a therapist, but I personally would advise against augmentation until you spend more time on treatment, maybe see if they have you on too low of a dose or something. Your doctor would be better qualified there than me, just, don't rush into surgery. My opinion only and would not hold anything against you either way :)
EDIT: Not to mention, you're much farther along than I am. I'm calling for consultation for a therapist today so, my experience could differ
Ive a specialist for transgender and HRT. Me breast didnt grow a millimeter since over a year. We tried so much things and medications. Its the final size, believe me. Do you know anybody has over 12 month no growth and then after 2 years or so a massive development to A or B??? Come on, theres nobody.
My doctor was written a letter for the insurance and believes theres no further developement. Is really impossible. So, i went a few weeks ago to a clinic for augmentations. If my insurance gives the "go" i will have the surgery - hopefully next 2-3 month.
I grew zero breast tissue. How do I cope? Don't look in the mirror at all. Only look at yourself with a bra on. Bra will help it look more feminine.
Don't look at it, wear pushup bra, wear clothes that make features that you don't like less prominent, accentuate the things that you like and chin up, at least You have a prospect of breast augmentation... Others don't even have that or can't go under anesthesia
take care!
Quote from: galaxy on August 04, 2014, 07:12:26 AM
Ive a specialist for transgender and HRT. Me breast didnt grow a millimeter since over a year. We tried so much things and medications. Its the final size, believe me. Do you know anybody has over 12 month no growth and then after 2 years or so a massive development to A or B??? Come on, theres nobody.
My doctor was written a letter for the insurance and believes theres no further developement. Is really impossible. So, i went a few weeks ago to a clinic for augmentations. If my insurance gives the "go" i will have the surgery - hopefully next 2-3 month.
Ahh, in that case I say go for it. Was not aware you had a doctor recommendation. As for how to cope in the meantime, try what crowcrow223 said. Find clothing that accentuates what you have and pulls eyes away from what you may not like. Focus on your other features for now, find ways to bring eyes to what you already have and like about yourself. Legs, face, rear, etc.
Quote from: GenTechJ on August 04, 2014, 07:42:35 AM
Focus on your other features for now, find ways to bring eyes to what you already have and like about yourself. Legs, face, rear, etc.
*lol* bad idea, too ;D
Ive to wait ... i will survive it. Maybe someone has some good "mind advices". It doesnet matters what others see - it matters what i see AND feel! Thats the reason for my tears.
I had a promising growth at the beginning (could feel them blossoming by the 2nd month on HRT).... now after 6-7 months on HRT, my chest looks really flat! And this is after GCS... lol. I am as sad as you are, but I'm giving myself time given that I've only had a couple of months... I wish you all the best!! Just posting because I know how you feel <3 And take the previous poster's advice... wear gel push-ups!
Quote from: ♡ Emily ♡ on August 04, 2014, 08:12:41 AM
It has been 14 months and they are kinda small. Not really a full A cup, but I tend to look at the bright side.
Believe me - compared to my "breast" you are a really busty woman! 4-5cm more is a huge universe for me. I everytime dreamed if a nice A cup and nice, little, natural breast. I was full of hope so long time, month to month and let so much tears. Having absolutely no boobs is a very huge problem for me - even later with a augmentation. Its the only real "women-thing" that happens to a transgender through transition.
Sideways my belly is bigger than my breast. I dont like this view, makes me cry.
I'm at BMI 21,5 and NOT FAT - but my belly is bigger.
I had very little until Progesterone was added to my HRT. I know some disagree here, but it is helping the "girls" a lot. If you are not on it yet ask your Endo their opinion of it. :)
Quote from: Jessica Merriman on August 04, 2014, 09:24:50 AM
I had very little until Progesterone was added to my HRT. I know some disagree here, but it is helping the "girls" a lot. If you are not on it yet ask your Endo their opinion of it. :)
While I am very happy with my development at 6 months, I did add P on month 5 and I do get some breast soreness a few hours after taking P everytime so I have to think it is doing something. Since the side effects of micronized P are really low, it seems worth a shot no matter what IMO.
Quote from: galaxy on August 04, 2014, 09:12:21 AM
Sideways my belly is bigger than my breast. I dont like this view, makes me cry.
I'm at BMI 21,5 and NOT FAT - but my belly is bigger.
At the beginning of my transition I was as demanding, and as vulnerable as You are now... I genuinely had suicidal thoughts due to zero breast growth, massive bone structure and everything... I can help you saying... it will go away. These feelings will go away.
Your body will continue to be more feminine, your muscle mass should decrease, the harsh contours of muscles should soften, bodyhair won't be as prominent. You just have to be patient. What helped me was not looking in the mirror and staying covered, wearing the things that made me look good/fairly acceptable
Please, give yourself a time, give yourself some patience. Seek a therapist if depression persists
Good luck!
Quote from: crowcrow223 on August 04, 2014, 10:16:35 AM
At the beginning of my transition I was as demanding, and as vulnerable as You are now... I genuinely had suicidal thoughts due to zero breast growth, massive bone structure and everything... I can help you saying... it will go away. These feelings will go away.
Your body will continue to be more feminine, your muscle mass should decrease, the harsh contours of muscles should soften, bodyhair won't be as prominent. You just have to be patient. What helped me was not looking in the mirror and staying covered, wearing the things that made me look good/fairly acceptable
Please, give yourself a time, give yourself some patience. Seek a therapist if depression persists
Good luck!
Which time range we are talking about?
P.S. I was taking P4 for more than 17 month since beginning my HRT. Then i stopped.
Quote from: galaxy on August 04, 2014, 09:12:21 AM
Sideways my belly is bigger than my breast. I dont like this view, makes me cry.
I'm at BMI 21,5 and NOT FAT - but my belly is bigger.
Just my two cents here, but BMI is not an accurate nor viable way to judge oneself. It has been said again and again that the scale is massively outdated and just doesn't accurately reflect upon each unique individual.
Again, just my two cents :)
Quote from: galaxy on August 04, 2014, 11:18:05 AM
Which time range we are talking about?
P.S. I was taking P4 for more than 17 month since beginning my HRT. Then i stopped.
Maybe two or three years. Make sure you combine HRT with healthy diet, exercise and taking a good care of yourself.
I'm at 19 month now - thats nearly two years. I live healthy and exercise two times (running, cacling) a week. I'm really care about my body!
I've been on her for about a year and have a large b. I did play around with some natural stuff before hrt and got some growth. I recently started injections and the are really sore right now. I'm interested in seeing if it's going to make a difference in them.
My (not trans) wife actually had a period when she thought her breasts were fully developed... and one more growth spurt ~5 years later. So yeah, it does happen.
And I'm another who thinks you're really pretty, and kind of too hard on yourself.
Just think of all the super runway models it all went to their face your not alone. Not saying anything wrong with not being a super model
Quote from: galaxy on August 04, 2014, 05:07:02 AM
I'm 18 month now on hormones and have 8cm. 10cm would be AA cup. In other words: I still need 2cm to have the first bra-cup!!!
I dont wait for a further development, that would be stupid i think. My question goes in another direction: How can i handle it in my mind everyday? Ive a huge problem to look in the mirror. My little breast looks like muscles like bodybuilders have - thats very, very masculine in combination with my chest and my strong arms. I think a man would be very happy to look like these. That makes so unhappy all the day :'(
Galaxy
How tall are you? How much you weight? How old are you?
oh, wait.. you went from 21.5 to 19 BMI?? Hon, it takes fat to make the twins grow.. well, not lots, but you have the body mass of runners, athletes.. they have very little fat on their frames and are as flat at you seem to think you are. That explains a lot.. as funny as it sounds.. have a few cheeseburgers (you know what I mean) to stop the "lean machine" you are building yourself to be.
"You cant make bricks without straw"
Quote from: galaxy on August 04, 2014, 09:12:21 AM
Sideways my belly is bigger than my breast. I dont like this view, makes me cry.
I'm at BMI 21,5 and NOT FAT - but my belly is bigger.
that BMI is incompatible with breast development ! You need to add some weight. !
As far as your protruding belly, how is your liver ?
Quote from: Paula Christine on August 04, 2014, 06:19:15 PM
oh, wait.. you went from 21.5 to 19 BMI??
I think she's saying she's 19 months into hormones, not 19 BMI.
SOMEBODY GIVE THAT GIRL A CHEESEBURGER!! ;)
Really.. you need fat to build up breast tissue. Not kidding.
Quote from: peky on August 04, 2014, 06:17:09 PM
How tall are you? How much you weight? How old are you?
I'm 37 years old, 19 month hormones, BMI 21.5 (not 19!!!), 1.72m tall and 64,5kg.
I live healthy, eat healthy, sleep enough, i'm cycling and runnig two times a week
I gained my weight during the HRT by 5kg and it happend nothing. NO millimeter more breast, no more on the hips - nothing. It ALL went to the belly and now ive a fat belly like old men have. This doesnt work for me. My figur is a desaster, ive a really visible belly and absolutely no breast. Actually my belly is 2 times bigger than my breast. That is worst case! So i decide to lose my weight to reach my old values. I got no breast - theres no way to get more breast and so i can keep slim.
Galaxy
Galaxy,
What is the majority of the fat that is around your waist? There are two types of fat - sub-cutaneous and visceral.
For me, I had a lot of visceral fat underneath the sub-cutaneous fat. It was this fat that very quickly burned up when I started to diet. The sub-cutaneous is a lot harder to reduce for me, but it is slowly going as well.
It is sub-cutaneous fat and placed over the muscle. Its really good to touch with the fingers. Even a few years ago as competitive sportsman a had this little fat region around my belly. Its placed directly around the belly button. Now i reduced my sporty activities to get a bit curvy and gain the weight but the only curve is my little belly. Its really frustrating. :-\
Quote from: Jessica Merriman on August 04, 2014, 09:24:50 AM
I had very little until Progesterone was added to my HRT. I know some disagree here, but it is helping the "girls" a lot. If you are not on it yet ask your Endo their opinion of it. :)
Same here.
There are a lot of forums out there where cis women discuss a whole range of 'natural' strategies to promote breast growth - from massage, foods to eat/avoid. I checked them out when I was close to going on HRT - tried a specific massage technique for a while. Maybe it worked a little, hard to say. I guess I stopped because once I was on HRT the growth was noticeable so I didn't want to encourage them too much before I went full time...so yeah, maybe it did help.
Sure? You think massage will bring me from 8cm up to a A cup? ;D ;D ;D
There is a "breast growth mp3" out there too!
Serious?
So long as it isn't anything like that "everything is awesome" song ...
What is it supposed to do? Play a sound at the right frequency to stimulate glandular development? Hopeful! :D :D :D
Massage...as long as you do it properly (and don't overdo it) I can't imagine it would do any harm and therefore you have nothing to lose and everything to gain. It's a regular daily routine that may take a month or two for results. Try googling "breast growth massage" and investigate the pros and cons. I keep wondering if I shouldn't start again myself, except my girls are generally too tender.
There are probably a lot of kooky "solutions" out there. Don't spend a cent on them. That's what I like about the massage option.
I think i would waste my time only.
Breast growth is controlled by hormones and receptors.
Maybe you'll be wasting your time. Maybe not. You'll never know if you never try... :)
http://naturalremedysite.blogspot.com.au/2007/11/increase-cup-size-in-30-days-with.html
Thanks really much but i dont believe in such things.
Its really impossible that my breast doesnt grow with estrogen and should grow with a massage. That may help when you already have a C-cup and that will stimulate a further growth but ive no growth that could be stimulate. By massaging my breast a will massage my muscles only. Sorry, really ruled out :(
Quote from: michelle666 on August 04, 2014, 05:08:05 PM
I've been on her for about a year and have a large b. I did play around with some natural stuff before hrt and got some growth. I recently started injections and the are really sore right now. I'm interested in seeing if it's going to make a difference in them.
E injections that is? <3 x
+1 on the randomness of breast growth. I've been on the lowest dose of estrogen possible and in three weeks I've got swollen nipples, fat depositing in the boob areas, and I'm panicking - it wasn't supposed to happen this quickly (or at all!) on low dose hormones.
Quote from: galaxy on August 05, 2014, 06:34:32 AM
Thanks really much but i dont believe in such things.
Its really impossible that my breast doesnt grow with estrogen and should grow with a massage. That may help when you already have a C-cup and that will stimulate a further growth but ive no growth that could be stimulate. By massaging my breast a will massage my muscles only. Sorry, really ruled out :(
Looking back at my journey, I wish I was under care of a good therapist. Don't diminish their power, they can do wonders. ask for help, please :(
Quote from: Brenda E on August 05, 2014, 08:22:28 AM
+1 on the randomness of breast growth. I've been on the lowest dose of estrogen possible and in three weeks I've got swollen nipples, fat depositing in the boob areas, and I'm panicking - it wasn't supposed to happen this quickly (or at all!) on low dose hormones.
You would be considered lucky to have boobs so early, unless you need to be in male mode for a while and don't want them to show that early. It took me a few years to get up to a small C cup.
Quote from: crowcrow223 on August 05, 2014, 08:25:10 AM
Looking back at my journey, I wish I was under care of a good therapist. Don't diminish their power, they can do wonders. ask for help, please :(
What or who is "they"?
If you have very poor breast development, it might be worth changing your hormone regimen and ask your doctor if this is possible at all, to make things happen. Perhaps increase dose of anti-androgen, add bio-identical progesterone, increase E or change routes. You need to discuss these with your doctor and perhaps get a second and even third opinion, to really optimize your changes. For instance, in my case, increasing E and adding some P did the trick. Had I remained at the low dose I was taking and accepted my fate, I would have missed out...could also be that you are genetically unlucky but...I would really ask doctors and see if they can do anything for you. :)
Best of luck! Don't give up, just yet...;)
Quote from: galaxy on August 05, 2014, 06:18:15 AM
I think i would waste my time only.
Breast growth is controlled by hormones and receptors.
And genetics.. And environmental factors.. And diet..
Breast development takes "YEARS AND YEARS" just like any other natal woman. You don't take HRT then magically wake up with double Ds a few days later. Breast can take up to a decade to fully develop and even then in the vast majority of transsexual women its typically sub par development. You are no different. Furthermore, if you do not like your body there are plenty of cosmetic surgeries to help alleviate those insecurities. Liposuction does wonders for stomachs.
On the belly fat thing:
It takes TIME. Lots of time.
I've read studies that say that your body loses and replaces only about 10% of its fat cells in any given year. Hormones do not and can not influence how fat cells inflate and deflate as you gain/lose weight, because that always happens evenly across the whole body. Hormones can only influence where new fat cells are reborn after old ones die.
So basically, there's nothing you can do but wait in regards to getting fat on your boobs/hips. Right now, at 19 months, less than 20% of your body's fat cells have been redistributed to their permanent estrogen-influenced location, probably less because you're a bit older, so the body's cells aren't dividing as rapidly. (Which is why cis-women get curves a bit faster, because at puberty your body's cells are still in a constant state of division, where once you're older you're not growing anymore, so it's slower.)
And it it's any consolation, I too tried to gain a bit of weight because I thought it would go to my hips and boobs. It didn't. It went to my stomach. So, again, at these earlier stages of transition, that's just the way it is. Most of my trans friends have told me that they're still seeing changes even 4-5 years into hormones.
And, well, some of us just don't get boobs at all. I have a friend Arianna who didn't. She still only has a AA cup despite being 7 years into transition, 4 years post-SRS, and having gained 50+ lbs since starting hormones. Some girls just aren't genetically predisposed to grow breasts. And some cis-girls don't either. So it's not necessarily the fault of being trans. There's a reason why breast augmentation is the most common cosmetic procedure in this country, with 290,000 of them performed every year.
Most everyone here seems to be trying to talk you out of BAS. In your case, I don't agree. The girls who start HRT and then have BAS two months later...that's too soon. But if your doctor says you're done developing after two years, then you do what you gotta do.
My sister in law had almost no development when she was about 20, so she bought some boobs. And it suits her. I see no difference here.
Quote from: Natalie on August 05, 2014, 07:51:52 PM
Breast development takes "YEARS AND YEARS" just like any other natal woman. You don't take HRT then magically wake up with double Ds a few days later. Breast can take up to a decade to fully develop and even then in the vast majority of transsexual women its typically sub par development. You are no different. Furthermore, if you do not like your body there are plenty of cosmetic surgeries to help alleviate those insecurities. Liposuction does wonders for stomachs.
I know all these facts (maybe better than many others) and i also know all the solutions. For my fat is there a liposucion, for my breast a augmentation. For my face a FFS and for hips implants. But i dont want to be complete female product of surgery and i dont have thousands of euro to solve every HRT-failed problem with a surgery. That cant be the goal of a HRT. I cant wait until the age of 50 to have any boobs in my life as a woman. I need my boobs now, im not a 11year old teenager girl - am 37 and 37 year old women have boobs since 20 years. I think its a very important passing fact!!
With all due respect galaxy, I think you're being slightly harsh on both yourself and us.
We understand your frustration, I especially understand your frustration, I'm on the same boat, zero boobs at all, and I sympathise with you. However, if you're expecting and demanding of us to give you a magical solution, the magical pill, the magical technique to make your breasts grow, then I'm sorry, but we can't do that. Natural methods of breast enhancement are probably one of the most coveted things amongst women these days, and there's zero facts.
Please, ask counsellor for help in order to help you accept and embrace your body and your sexuality, there are certain things which you won't be able to change, ever... It's what everyone's life is about.
I wish you good luck and everything good on your journey, take care
No, no - it never was my intention to ask for a solution or something else. The thread goes without my control in that direction. I never asked for solutions in a medical way or for surgery. I dont know who began it ...
My question was:
Who has similar problems with zero breast growth and how you handle that in your mind? I wanted to know how you learned to accept it for yourself.
Me as well as others mentioned following options:
therapy,
not obsessing over it by a very close 5-hour mirror examination, try and not focus your attention on it
wear clothes that accentuate parts of your body that you like
wear pushup padded bra, you can use sth to fill them out a little
pamper yourself once in a while, have a girl's night in, paint your nails, watch sth nice, cook sth you like
go out, have fun, talk with others, distract yourself, focus on other parts of your life
good luck!
Quote from: galaxy on August 06, 2014, 06:56:30 AM
My question was:
Who has similar problems with zero breast growth and how you handle that in your mind? I wanted to know how you learned to accept it for yourself.
As I said back on the first page..
Quote from: kelly_aus on August 04, 2014, 05:16:38 AM
A bit over 3 years on hormones here and you've had more development than I've had..
How do I cope? Kinda simple really. They may not be much, but they are mine. I've waited a long time for them. Sure, I'm not overjoyed at their size, but I could still be completely flat.
I'm going to reiterate my comment about you having had more growth than I've had. Why? Because you seem fixated. There are many cis women who have little breast growth, they seem to do just fine - or they get a BA. A BA is not an option for me, so I just enjoy what I've got. They might be tiny, but they are mine..
Quote from: crowcrow223 on August 06, 2014, 07:29:57 AM
Me as well as others mentioned following options:
therapy,
not obsessing over it by a very close 5-hour mirror examination, try and not focus your attention on it
wear clothes that accentuate parts of your body that you like
wear pushup padded bra, you can use sth to fill them out a little
pamper yourself once in a while, have a girl's night in, paint your nails, watch sth nice, cook sth you like
go out, have fun, talk with others, distract yourself, focus on other parts of your life
good luck!
Do you solve minded problems always this way?
Problem -> solution 1 -> solution 2 ....
I prefer to talk about my problems with other people.
Maybe the wrong place. :-\
I am asking if everyone please limit your responses to to OPS original post please. :police:
Quote from: galaxy on August 06, 2014, 06:56:30 AM
No, no - it never was my intention to ask for a solution or something else. The thread goes without my control in that direction. I never asked for solutions in a medical way or for surgery. I dont know who began it ...
My question was:
Who has similar problems with zero breast growth and how you handle that in your mind? I wanted to know how you learned to accept it for yourself.
Quote from: galaxy on August 06, 2014, 06:56:30 AM
My question was:
Who has similar problems with zero breast growth and how you handle that in your mind? I wanted to know how you learned to accept it for yourself.
I'm only at 5 months, so I keep telling myself that maybe... just maybe things will start kicking in at 6 or 7 months. I'm especially hoping that when I go in for my 6 month checkup the endo gives me a serious boost in my HRT prescription levels. Then maybe I'll start seeing some breast growth. I'm pretty sure the dosage levels I'm on right now are very conservative.
But there is a part of me that worries, worries that I'll never get any growth...
Quote from: peky on August 07, 2014, 06:43:04 PM
Seems to be funny to laugh about the fate of other people. :embarrassed:
I removed the post in question.
Quote from: crowcrow223 on August 05, 2014, 08:02:19 AM
E injections that is? <3 x
Yes. I went from pills to patches that fell off and now the injections.
Ahem, so just an update, at five and a half months I am now finally feeling some tenderness and what seems to be tiny little breast buds under my nipples. Happy day for me!
Quote from: Alaia on August 19, 2014, 01:03:27 AM
Ahem, so just an update, at five and a half months I am now finally feeling some tenderness and what seems to be tiny little breast buds under my nipples. Happy day for me!
Yay for you Alaia. Here's to more pain and bigger things to come! :)
My granddaughter started breast development 3 years ago. She's still fairly flat and she's a cisgender teenager. My other granddaughter began developing four years ago and just this year started to blossom. I've read numerous stories of transwomen who rushed into breast augmentation then had a large amount of growth in the 3rd through 5th years. My own breasts were exactly like yours for the first 14 months on HRT, small buds that needed padding to fill an A cup, then took off when we changed estrogen delivery. I went from small buds to very nice A cups that are continuing to fill out now.
My advice is to remain patient for at least a few more years. That's what I did because I know normal breast growth can take years, and I'm now pleasantly surprised.
Yes and sometimes changing things around slightly like delivery can make a huge difference as in the case of Liz and me, whereupon after switching to injectables and also adding some progesterone, 10 yrs+ after starting hormones, my breasts started really taking off. I actually have boobs now. :)
I apologize to Galaxy, and everyone else for making light of this subject.. it was not kind, and I'm never unkind.. I am sorry, really.. I meant no disrespect, ever.
As for growth, -everyone- is different, growth is dependent on several things, genetics, hormone levels, strength of the drugs, bodys tolerance or acceptance of the keys to unlock the dna allowing growth.. just a lot of things.
I was flatchested a year ago, very skinny most of my life, with little fat on my body. When I finally began my transition, I started with herbal formulas, not a bottle of this, two bottles of that, oh, I'll try this too.. I went with a herbal program, compounded into single capsules for almost 9 months, twice daily. My mood began to change immediately, second day, I was in such a different place than the day before. Breast buds began about 3 weeks in. like chopped potatoes under the skin, small at first then more noticeable. They never, ever hurt, only itched.. a lot. an awful lot. They began cone-shaped, still small, not I could tell. I began to get more growth at abt the 8-10 week mark.. almost 3mos and I began to fear the family noticing them. When I switched from herbals, to 'script-based drug hormones in June, OMFG!! Shut The Front Door, wooooow, I had growth spurts that would push me backwards from the recoil!! I went from -AAAAAAA to these B's now from.. October '13 to now.. and I am still astounded my family has not noticed. there is just no way they cant. Oh.. And the pain..!! seriously, I'm amazed I'm still alive! Needles and pins isn't just a 60's song title to me anymore!! But my mother was biiiig-chested.. like GG, or HH's.. biiig, had a reduction when we were teens because of the backaches and spine pain from carrying those around. My sister is also pretty big, not as big as mom, but still kind of frightening, as trans girls get roughly a cup to cup/half smaller than their cisfemale family.. so that is still scary for me to envision.
Your growth is entirely dependent on your family. If they grew fast, or large, slow or small, its all genetics. Most girls begin in their early teens, and don't stop til their late teens or twenty's. I did not realize or think how the estrogen, Finesteride or progesterone is delivered could affect growth timeline. Maybe your body is just a little more resistive to the hormones, and needs a bit longer to unload the receptors and begin growth. give it time.
Again, I am sorry I made light of your first posts. :embarrassed:
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added: I went back to the very first few posts, and re-read them.. I completely missed the point of the posts.. namely, how to deal with the sadness of them taking a long time to bud/grow, pop.. sorry again, reading comprehension was not my strong suite.. I was more of a math major ;)
How to deal with the sadness, angst of slow growth.. hmmm, I don't know if it helps much, but as Liz wrote, cisgirls take years to begin growing, getting to the sizes they will finally be.. we all know some cisgirls begin and grow very fast while they are young, and are teased or embarrassed endlessly. For others, the boob train is nowhere in sight, and doesn't look like it will ever reach the station. Some teens, proud of their first buds, demand they get their first bra while still looking very much like their younger brothers. And still others, are terrified that they will even begin showing. The emotions run the entire gamut. From joy and elation to downright terror. For many, it only takes Mom to sit them down and say, "Honey, everyone is different, your time will come too"
How to actually deal with it, I wish I could help more. Each of us has something that is just so knife-to-the-heart that we don't think we can endure it. Mine.. is my whiskers. I am not in a time or place where I can get laser, or electrolysis done. So seeing my beard, no matter -how- closely I shave every few hours, is my pain. Yours, is waiting for the growth. I wish you well, and an answer to your pain.
Paula
I've been on HRT for like 8 years and can at this point say my body just isn't going to make them on its own. I've technically been underweight for all but 6 months of my life, for instance. It's simply a characteristic of my body, no better or worse. My mother, for instance, is a mere A cup. Like, what can I expect, you know? :-\
Let's try for a sociological perspective of breast augmentation. Historically speaking, around a C cup or beyond was rather covetously large. People get lots of incidental hormone exposure these days which is why we see 6-7 year old girls developing in this area. And with so many people overweight & hormone-laced, it's no wonder we see people with quite nice A's or B's who just don't feel like they *are* the crowd - which I think people want to not stand out for not being up to par.
I've been a little laissez-faire on this with myself in the past, largely from never being impressed enough with the appearance of silicon or saline to actually want it. Though I will add, the new gummy bear implants look pretty fantastic, and especially if my metabolism chills out to where I gain 10-20lbs and I find my chest to still be basically flat, I'd happily try for a natural-looking a B or perhaps small C cup augmentation.
For now, the push-up bras marketed towards teens are sufficient. If you have upper body definition or a nice midriff, totally rock that, it's a more elegant variety of sexy imo than cleavage.
My surgery will be in a few weeks in fall of the year. My insurance is paying all the costs. My doctor said (and write it as a letter for the insurance) that theres no further growth to be expected after 19 month and 8cm. Last growth is 14 month ago. I dont have another 10 years for waiting. I'm nearly at the age of 40 and i need a breast now.
Quote from: galaxy on August 26, 2014, 04:48:50 PM
My surgery will be in a few weeks in fall of the year. My insurance is paying all the costs. My doctor said (and write it as a letter for the insurance) that theres no further growth to be expected after 19 month and 8cm. Last growth is 14 month ago. I dont have another 10 years for waiting. I'm nearly at the age of 40 and i need a breast now.
You're getting insurance to pay for breast augmentation? That's pretty amazing, as it is among the most prominent 'cosmetic' surgeries by conventional perception.
What did you do to have insurance recognize it as medically necessary?
Quote from: GenTechJ on August 04, 2014, 06:28:04 AM
I am far from replacement for a therapist, but I personally would advise against augmentation until you spend more time on treatment, maybe see if they have you on too low of a dose or something. Your doctor would be better qualified there than me, just, don't rush into surgery. My opinion only and would not hold anything against you either way :)
EDIT: Not to mention, you're much farther along than I am. I'm calling for consultation for a therapist today so, my experience could differ
I always heard it's not good to get breast augmentation til it's done developing your breast ? And I always wondered why was that the case ? Is it because when they do augmentation do they scrape out that hard core thing under the nipple area?
Quote from: Rachelicious on August 26, 2014, 05:03:35 PM
You're getting insurance to pay for breast augmentation? That's pretty amazing, as it is among the most prominent 'cosmetic' surgeries by conventional perception.
What did you do to have insurance recognize it as medically necessary?
In germany insurances pay for that surgery.
Quote from: TinaVane on August 26, 2014, 11:13:25 PM
I always heard it's not good to get breast augmentation til it's done developing your breast ?
Ive no breast development - so it doesnt matter at all.
Galaxy, I wish you the very best for your augmentation surgery! Let us know how it went when you have it done!
Hugs,
Stephanie
Quote from: galaxy on August 28, 2014, 07:33:49 AM
In germany insurances pay for that surgery.
do you get to choose the size? did you see any of their results?