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OK, this is really hard for me because I NEVER post my face online -- not even on Facebook! On top of that, I avoid cameras like the plague.. so very few pictures of me exist past age 7.

Despite all that, though, I'm very bad at picturing things in my head. And because of that, I can't just look at a hairstyle and imagine how it would look on me.. so I need help.  :P

Anyway, here are the pictures I promised:


In addition to these pics, here's a list of things I want in a haircut, and things I don't want:

What I DO want:

• Something that is relatively easy to style (I've never in my life styled my hair)
• Something that works well with fine, thick, "frizzy" hair
• Something that looks good with my hair color (I don't plan on dying it or adding highlights)
• Something feminine, but also a "mens" cut (or a womens cut that would look good on a feminine man)
• It would require styling, I know, but I like wavy, curly, and "curly-wavy" hairstyles best. Straight is "boring"
• Something that is "age appropriate" (I'm 22), but also suits my hyperactive, goofy and childish personality

What I DON'T want:

• Something super short
• "Spiky" hair
• Something with the sides buzzed short (don't know the name, but I'm sure you know what I mean)
• Something slicked back
• Anything that looks super greasy due to hair gel
• Anything that looks super stiff from hairspray
• Hair that stands straight up

Here are some. I googled "mens mid length haircuts"
http://www.menhairstylestrend.com/mens-hairstyles-medium-long-hair/mens-hairstyles-medium-long-hair-2/
http://www.hairstylesidea.us/mens-mid-length-hairstyles.html
http://static.fashionbeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/hairm3-260x400.jpg

I think the last one might fit what you're looking for best? I'm not positive though :/

Quote from: devention on October 18, 2014, 09:45:41 PM
Here are some. I googled "mens mid length haircuts"
http://www.menhairstylestrend.com/mens-hairstyles-medium-long-hair/mens-hairstyles-medium-long-hair-2/
http://www.hairstylesidea.us/mens-mid-length-hairstyles.html
http://static.fashionbeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/hairm3-260x400.jpg

I think the last one might fit what you're looking for best? I'm not positive though :/

First and third pic are definitely the best two! I especially like the first one.  :) His hair looks to be a bit coarser than mine, though, so I don't know if that would affect how well my hair would hold it (my family tried giving me a perm when I was a kid and it was board straight again within an hour!). Another issue is sideburns -- it might look a bit silly without them. And because I'm not taking testosterone (at least not yet  :P) I can't grow any. My face might not be "square" enough, either.. idk.

(sorry if I sound really picky haha. I really do appreciate you taking the time to give me some ideas! I'd just rather be picky than get something I might regret getting)

Quote from: littleredrobinhood on October 18, 2014, 09:50:49 PM
First and third pic are definitely the best two! I especially like the first one.  :) His hair looks to be a bit coarser than mine, though, so I don't know if that would affect how well my hair would hold it (my family tried giving me a perm when I was a kid and it was board straight again within an hour!). Another issue is sideburns -- it might look a bit silly without them. And because I'm not taking testosterone (at least not yet  :P) I can't grow any. My face might not be "square" enough, either.. idk.

(sorry if I sound really picky haha. I really do appreciate you taking the time to give me some ideas! I'd just rather be picky than get something I might regret getting)

Haha, no worries. :)
Here's some other ones
http://menshorthairstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Medium-Length-Mens-Hairstyles-2013.jpg
http://wehairstyles.com/macho-medium-length-hairstyles-for-men.html/medium-length-hairstyles-for-men-with-wavy-hair#page
http://panteasroses.com/wp-content/uploads/medium-length-hairstyles-for-men-with-round-faces.jpg
http://brandoniswrite.com/male-hairstyles-for-masculine-look/new-male-hairstyles/

Quote from: devention on October 18, 2014, 10:11:12 PM
Haha, no worries. :)
Here's some other ones
http://menshorthairstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Medium-Length-Mens-Hairstyles-2013.jpg
http://wehairstyles.com/macho-medium-length-hairstyles-for-men.html/medium-length-hairstyles-for-men-with-wavy-hair#page
http://panteasroses.com/wp-content/uploads/medium-length-hairstyles-for-men-with-round-faces.jpg
http://brandoniswrite.com/male-hairstyles-for-masculine-look/new-male-hairstyles/

Whoa, one of the pics are smushed! Weird..

But hmm.. nope, nothing that screams "get this one!" yet.  :(

To be honest, I really like this haircut that I found on Google a few days ago: https://38.media.tumblr.com/b26d09d86799de443ec88d8ca0e99ec8/tumblr_ndo92wsfac1tfdf0mo1_1280.jpg -- but I feel like I might not be able to pull it off.  :( Which is a shame because it's a really cute cut. I know it looks good in blonde, since the model is blonde. It's "wavy curly". It's not too long and not too short. It's relatively simple.. But again, I'd probably look crap with it. lol

Maybe try one of those "see what your face looks like with this hair cut" things? They have them on beauty websites.

Quote from: devention on October 18, 2014, 10:46:40 PM
Maybe try one of those "see what your face looks like with this hair cut" things? They have them on beauty websites.

I'm a little afraid they might keep my pictures though, haha.. Probably just paranoia, but still.  :P But I might try it if I get desperate. I can't get my hair cut for another 2-3 weeks, anyway.

Quote from: littleredrobinhood on October 18, 2014, 10:17:41 PM
Whoa, one of the pics are smushed! Weird..

But hmm.. nope, nothing that screams "get this one!" yet.  :(

To be honest, I really like this haircut that I found on Google a few days ago: https://38.media.tumblr.com/b26d09d86799de443ec88d8ca0e99ec8/tumblr_ndo92wsfac1tfdf0mo1_1280.jpg -- but I feel like I might not be able to pull it off.  :( Which is a shame because it's a really cute cut. I know it looks good in blonde, since the model is blonde. It's "wavy curly". It's not too long and not too short. It's relatively simple.. But again, I'd probably look crap with it. lol

your face is very masculine (jawline, etc.) so i think you could pull off that look. my hair looks like that when i grow it out and i don't have a square face but you have more of a face shape as the guy in the pic (imo), so if i can pull it off and not have a similar face shape to his but you do, i'm sure you could too. the style is really easy to maintain too (i have naturally curly hair) so its good imo.

Quote from: invisiblemonsters on October 18, 2014, 10:55:03 PM
your face is very masculine (jawline, etc.) so i think you could pull off that look. my hair looks like that when i grow it out and i don't have a square face but you have more of a face shape as the guy in the pic (imo), so if i can pull it off and not have a similar face shape to his but you do, i'm sure you could too. the style is really easy to maintain too (i have naturally curly hair) so its good imo.

You really think so??  :D

And heh, I think part of my problem is the fact that I've had the same exact hair "style" for.. well, ever (hence why it's so long). So it's really hard to imagine myself having anything else (even though I want something different lol)

I have to say that your hair is amazing. I love it! I hope you sell it or give it to "locks of love" or something after you cut it.

I am currently male and have long hair. I would love to be female... but thats a work in progress........  I think for mid length or shoulder length male style the part is important. A middle part is less feminine. Maybe I can find a pic someplace and post it, but like you I don't even post to FB and the like.

Quote from: Orchid on October 18, 2014, 11:02:28 PM
I'm a little curious what you think about this one:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQUXTQwXa7zK54Zc5OvoigElGorOebnLwnZPMK0fQ1vriKBJ6zc:www.redbookmag.com/cm/redbook/images/KY/rbk-short-hair-robin-wright-lgn-95140386.jpg

That's Robin Wright- I know that the person is female, but I feel as though that haircut can swing in any direction you'd like.

It's not too... anything, really. I think it's nicely delicate but also sleek and mature.

Also this:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQD83VUKm9g5ebgyZLKBjLqbVsRSBTI0acBf0MXZ8t5aw9Ohx7k:www.redbookmag.com/cm/redbook/images/Ov/rbk-spring-2014-hair-trends-robin-wright-xln.jpg

Btw, I hope it's okay that I post here!

Wow, she has the same first name I've been using.  :laugh: It definitely looks like it would be easy to maintain, though. Which is good. And I see what you mean by it being able to look good on men and women.

I may add it to my list of "maybe"s.  ;) Thanks for the suggestion!

Quote from: littleredrobinhood on October 18, 2014, 10:58:49 PM
You really think so??  :D

And heh, I think part of my problem is the fact that I've had the same exact hair "style" for.. well, ever (hence why it's so long). So it's really hard to imagine myself having anything else (even though I want something different lol)

yes, your face is especially masculine from the side i think. i think you can pull off short/medium haircuts easily. i can understand how it is a big leap but remember, hair grows back so even if it gets messed up, just know it isn't permanent.

Quote from: Jade_404 on October 18, 2014, 11:05:35 PM
I have to say that your hair is amazing. I love it! I hope you sell it or give it to "locks of love" or something after you cut it.

I am currently male and have long hair. I would love to be female... but thats a work in progress........  I think for mid length or shoulder length male style the part is important. A middle part is less feminine. Maybe I can find a pic someplace and post it, but like you I don't even post to FB and the like.

Thank you.  :D I've never really hated my hair, but for obvious reason it makes it difficult to "pass" haha. Plus it's a pain in the butt to wash/brush every day! Not to mention I often end up pulling my hair by sitting on it.. even accidentally dunked it in the toilet a few times!

And yeah, I would like to give what I cut off to someone who needs it. Not only because it's a good thing to do, but also because it'd be such a waste to just throw it away! After all, it took several years for me to get it to grow that long.

Quote from: invisiblemonsters on October 18, 2014, 11:09:56 PM
yes, your face is especially masculine from the side i think. i think you can pull off short/medium haircuts easily. i can understand how it is a big leap but remember, hair grows back so even if it gets messed up, just know it isn't permanent.

I sure hope you're not just being nice.  ;) LOL. Thank you.  :D People often joke that I'm my Dad's clone, and I couldn't always see it, but the older I get.. yeah, definitely a big resemblance.  :P (I think one of the best "compliments" I've gotten was from an aunt, who told me "You look like your Dad in drag!". I just chuckled, but mentally I was thinking "That's actually the most accurate compliment I've ever gotten" hahaha)

You've got a great face :P
I think you could do with a bit of height, and overhang with your hair over your forehead though though :P
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTpZcznLbQUBN2oHJgu2aIHBkt69jGOFPxgS3Tc40vH8bpzhEU7)

I had my hair like this for a while (yes I know its matt smith-he was an easy example) Its actually not that hard to style or maintain, and should look really good on you :P

Quote from: Jo-is-amazing on October 18, 2014, 11:16:43 PM
You've got a great face :P
I think you could do with a bit of height, and overhang with your hair over your forehead though though :P
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTpZcznLbQUBN2oHJgu2aIHBkt69jGOFPxgS3Tc40vH8bpzhEU7)

I had my hair like this for a while (yes I know its matt smith-he was an easy example) Its actually not that hard to style or maintain, and should look really good on you :P

Aw, shucks. Thanks, hehe.  :D

And wow, that hairstyle would scream "fanboy" if I got it! LOL. Back when Matt was still the Doctor, I was pretty much obsessed with Dr Who. So as you can imagine, I'm pleased to hear I could pull off a similar hairstyle.  ;D

I did a little messing around in photoshop. Added Brad Pitts mid length hair to your pic, I think it looks cool, has potential. I will remove the image from my server at your request. (No one will see it except thru this link here) http://www.wizards-domain.com/jade/hairtest.jpg (http://www.wizards-domain.com/jade/hairtest.jpg)

I think it passes a bunch of your "What I DO want:" criteria. Anyway I was just having fun with it, what do you think?

;D

Quote from: Jade_404 on October 18, 2014, 11:42:50 PM
I did a little messing around in photoshop. Added Brad Pitts mid length hair to your pic, I think it looks cool, has potential. I will remove the image from my server at your request. (No one will see it except thru this link here) http://www.wizards-domain.com/jade/hairtest.jpg (http://www.wizards-domain.com/jade/hairtest.jpg)

I think it passes a bunch of your "What I DO want:" criteria. Anyway I was just having fun with it, what do you think?

;D

Wow, that hairstyle makes me look like I belong in Skyrim!  :laugh: Like I'm a Nord hehe. Or maybe a rockstar..

If I can't find a shorter cut I like, I might end up getting something kind of like that. Actually.. I might end up doing something like that first, but still continue looking at shorter hairstyles, because going from super long to short might be a bit hard to adjust to all at once. So it could be a good idea to gradually make my way up to a shorter haircut.

Also, I wish I could use Photoshop like that!  :laugh: I would be playing with hairstyles all day

Quote from: littleredrobinhood on October 18, 2014, 11:52:43 PM
Wow, that hairstyle makes me look like I belong in Skyrim!  :laugh: Like I'm a Nord hehe. Or maybe a rockstar..

If I can't find a shorter cut I like, I might end up getting something kind of like that. Actually.. I might end up doing something like that first, but still continue looking at shorter hairstyles, because going from super long to short might be a bit hard to adjust to all at once. So it could be a good idea to gradually make my way up to a shorter haircut.

Also, I wish I could use Photoshop like that!  :laugh: I would be playing with hairstyles all day

Yeah I just did that in like 5 minutes. Its fun. Do you have photoshop? I could make you a quick tutorial on hairstyles/ layers / clone tool.

I agree, with your length you can try out some different styles as you go shorter. Too short and you are stuck having to grow it out.

Quote from: Jade_404 on October 19, 2014, 12:08:52 AM
Yeah I just did that in like 5 minutes. Its fun. Do you have photoshop? I could make you a quick tutorial on hairstyles/ layers / clone tool.

I agree, with your length you can try out some different styles as you go shorter. Too short and you are stuck having to grow it out.

Nope! Never even looked it up, really, because I didn't think I'd have much use for it.  :P Is it free? Or a free version, at least?

And that's very true.. Even my Dad suggested that I just start by getting a few inches cut off first, because I wasn't 100% sure what I wanted, and am someone who has trouble adjusting to change -- even positive change. And if I got a short cut I hated, I'd be miserable the entire time I'd have to wait for it to grow back.

Photoshop cs 2 is, last I checked, available for free on adobe's website. It's an older version, but it should work fine for your purposes :)

Quote from: devention on October 19, 2014, 12:24:30 AM
Photoshop cs 2 is, last I checked, available for free on adobe's website. It's an older version, but it should work fine for your purposes :)

Oh, cool! I might check it out, then.  ;D I do have GIMP, but I don't know how it compares to Photoshop.

That said, I doubt I'll be able to do anything impressive with it haha.  :P I'm a total "n00b" when it comes to things like that. (though I suppose I could improve with practice and looking up tutorials and stuff)

Quote from: littleredrobinhood on October 19, 2014, 12:29:09 AM
Oh, cool! I might check it out, then.  ;D I do have GIMP, but I don't know how it compares to Photoshop.

That said, I doubt I'll be able to do anything impressive with it haha.  :P I'm a total "n00b" when it comes to things like that. (though I suppose I could improve with practice and looking up tutorials and stuff)

Well if you get Photoshop( if cs2 is free), I can make a tutorial or two for you. The technique needed even works with the older versions like cs2. It is easy to do if you are just messing around with hairstyles for fun. Not making graphics for use in some project or whatever. I don't use any other photo editing software so I can't help there. Let me know.

:P

I wish shaved sides wasn't a no for you because I think with your amazing face shape it would look boss.

http://becuo.com/undercut-hairstyle-men-curly

Quote from: Jade_404 on October 19, 2014, 12:50:34 AM
Well if you get Photoshop( if cs2 is free), I can make a tutorial or two for you. The technique needed even works with the older versions like cs2. It is easy to do if you are just messing around with hairstyles for fun. Not making graphics for use in some project or whatever. I don't use any other photo editing software so I can't help there. Let me know.

:P

Aww, you don't have to!  :D I'm sure there are tutorials out there already, I don't want to waste your time.

Quote from: KamTheMan on October 19, 2014, 12:51:19 AM
I wish shaved sides wasn't a no for you because I think with your amazing face shape it would look boss.

http://becuo.com/undercut-hairstyle-men-curly

Wow, would I really? :o Haha part of the reason why it's a "no" is because I don't know anyone my age.. all of my "friends" are family, and they're all 35+. I'd be afraid they'd mock me for my hair.  :P

OK as a MTF I love long hair. I love the length of your hair. But maybe something straight across the shoulder blades? Maybe shoulder length? Definitely no buzz or extremely short. Guys, cis, trans or FTM, I love the long hair. Tats are cool too especially sleeves. Now I will shut up.

Quote from: Jess42 on October 19, 2014, 01:07:18 AM
OK as a MTF I love long hair. I love the length of your hair. But maybe something straight across the shoulder blades? Maybe shoulder length? Definitely no buzz or extremely short. Guys, cis, trans or FTM, I love the long hair. Tats are cool too especially sleeves. Now I will shut up.

Are you hinting that I should get tattoos, Jess?  ;)

Quote from: littleredrobinhood on October 19, 2014, 12:56:10 AM
Aww, you don't have to!  :D I'm sure there are tutorials out there already, I don't want to waste your time.

It would be easy and won't take long since I have the tools. You find a pic online with a hair style you want to try. I can use your photo and do it in photoshop, making a vid of the process. would be fun, I like fun  :laugh:

You have to get photoshop tho so you can then do this stuff on your own, you would have fun and get better the more times you do it!

:icon_geekdance:

Quote from: littleredrobinhood on October 19, 2014, 12:56:10 AM
Wow, would I really? :o Haha part of the reason why it's a "no" is because I don't know anyone my age.. all of my "friends" are family, and they're all 35+. I'd be afraid they'd mock me for my hair.  :P

i completely understand being worried about judgement in that situation, but yea I think it would look really cool. If you want to femme it up make it more curly. Maybe even perm your hair before shaving the sides and then cutting it to a fun length you like. And then if you're feeling up to it, hit the town with your dope new hairstyle and mingle :)

Quote from: littleredrobinhood on October 19, 2014, 01:09:02 AM
Are you hinting that I should get tattoos, Jess?  ;)

Only if you want too. ;) More about leaving the hair long. Yeah it is awfully long now but lower shoulder blade or a little longer than shoulder length would do you good.

BTW some bada$$ tribal tats would do you good too. If I ever go 100% full time instead of 75-80% between andro and female, I am going to get a trampstamp. :embarrassed: Even kind of thinking of it now even. My SO is even kind of pushing me that way. But I don't know though. :-\

Quote from: Jade_404 on October 19, 2014, 01:10:59 AM
It would be easy and won't take long since I have the tools. You find a pic online with a hair style you want to try. I can use your photo and do it in photoshop, making a vid of the process. would be fun, I like fun  :laugh:

You have to get photoshop tho so you can then do this stuff on your own, you would have fun and get better the more times you do it!

:icon_geekdance:

I wish I had the same definition as fun as you do!  :laugh: If someone asked me to make a tutorial for them I'd probably grumble about it hahaha. (I may take you up on that offer some other time, though.  ;) Right now it's too late to learn, I think. LOL. It's 1AM here)

Quote from: KamTheMan on October 19, 2014, 01:14:30 AM
i completely understand being worried about judgement in that situation, but yea I think it would look really cool. If you want to femme it up make it more curly. Maybe even perm your hair before shaving the sides and then cutting it to a fun length you like. And then if you're feeling up to it, hit the town with your dope new hairstyle and mingle :)

:P What about this cut, then?: http://www.victorhugohair.com/2327-undercut-hairstyles-for-women-with-short-hair/

I know it says "for women" and the model is also a woman, but I actually really like that cut! I may not get the bangs quite so long, but I like how she kept the short portion blonde and dyed the "fluff" red (I've always wanted to have red hair  :P ). Plus, it looks good even without "sideburns" (that's been a huge issue with picking a style, for me.. I can see a haircut and think "That looks cool!", but as soon as I mentally remove the sideburns, it's kind of awkward looking haha)

Quote from: Jess42 on October 19, 2014, 01:19:18 AM
Only if you want too. ;) More about leaving the hair long. Yeah it is awfully long now but lower shoulder blade or a little longer than shoulder length would do you good.

BTW some bada$$ tribal tats would do you good too. If I ever go 100% full time instead of 75-80% between andro and female, I am going to get a trampstamp. :embarrassed: Even kind of thinking of it now even. My SO is even kind of pushing me that way. But I don't know though. :-\

Haha I just might do that one day.  ;) But I'd probably wait after I've gained some muscle first. I'm short and scrawny, so tats might make me look like I'm over-compensating hahaha.

And oh really? o: Have you found any you really liked yet?

Quote from: littleredrobinhood on October 19, 2014, 01:23:02 AM
I wish I had the same definition as fun as you do!  :laugh: If someone asked me to make a tutorial for them I'd probably grumble about it hahaha. (I may take you up on that offer some other time, though.  ;) Right now it's too late to learn, I think. LOL. It's 1AM here)

ok PM me or something whenever you like. If I happen to be bored and make a little tutorial I will post it here ok?  :eusa_shifty:

Quote from: littleredrobinhood on October 19, 2014, 01:23:02 AM
:P What about this cut, then?: http://www.victorhugohair.com/2327-undercut-hairstyles-for-women-with-short-hair/

I know it says "for women" and the model is also a woman, but I actually really like that cut! I may not get the bangs quite so long, but I like how she kept the short portion blonde and dyed the "fluff" red (I've always wanted to have red hair  :P ). Plus, it looks good even without "sideburns" (that's been a huge issue with picking a style, for me.. I can see a haircut and think "That looks cool!", but as soon as I mentally remove the sideburns, it's kind of awkward looking haha)

Yea I think that'd look great! I get the sideburn thing. I'm begging mine to grow but they're not listening.

Quote from: Jade_404 on October 19, 2014, 01:32:35 AM
ok PM me or something whenever you like. If I happen to be bored and make a little tutorial I will post it here ok?  :eusa_shifty:

OK!  :D Thanks for being so willing to help this n00b. Haha

Quote from: KamTheMan on October 19, 2014, 01:34:16 AM
Yea I think that'd look great! I get the sideburn thing. I'm begging mine to grow but they're not listening.

Awesome!  :D I'll definitely hang on to that picture, then. I just hope I can find a good salon.. The one my Dad has been going to has messed up simply getting a couple inches trimmed off! Several times, even. So I know I won't be going to that one. LOL

And sideburns are great.  8) It's one of the things I'm looking forward to having if (hopefully when) I start taking testosterone. Though that doesn't necessarily mean they'll grow.. but still.  :P

Anywho, thanks so much for making that comment, despite me saying I don't want an undercut. If you hadn't, I wouldn't have found that cut I like! (I'm still debating it, but if I decide that I definitely want it, I might update the thread and ask for everyones opinions on how it might look on me.  :P Never hurts to have more opinions)

Quote from: littleredrobinhood on October 19, 2014, 01:23:02 AM
And oh really? o: Have you found any you really liked yet?

Probably something tribal and symmetric.

Over compensation isn't really a bad thing though. As a matter of fact I wouldn't even give a second thought to some scrawny guy with tats unless he was cute, as a matter of fact I wouldn't give a second thought to a scrawny guy period unless he was cute. This is for any guy scrawny or Schwarzenegger big. Tats or not. It's really not about the scrawniness or height or anything else with me or most even cis women as it is about attitude. I would rather date a 5'0" guy with a 10' tall attitude than a 7'6" guy with a 4'0" attitude. Does that make any sense or am I just crazy? But it is not about size as much as attitude.

I also thought something short at the sides would suit you before I read you saying that you didn't want it, so I think you should properly consider it.

I love this thread! I still don't know what to do about my hair, so a lot of inspiration here :) I also want a tattoo by Valentin Hirsch, but that's a different story.

Littleredrobin, the good thing about the super long hair is you can go shorter in stages. So you can actually try out different styles if you're uncertain or don't feel daring enough. I'd encourage you to go shorter though - you have a very androgynous face, and a shorter style would go with that very well (but I'm biased, I've never had long hair in my life ;)).

Quote from: Jess42 on October 19, 2014, 01:43:34 AM
Probably something tribal and symmetric.

Over compensation isn't really a bad thing though. As a matter of fact I wouldn't even give a second thought to some scrawny guy with tats unless he was cute, as a matter of fact I wouldn't give a second thought to a scrawny guy period unless he was cute. This is for any guy scrawny or Schwarzenegger big. Tats or not. It's really not about the scrawniness or height or anything else with me or most even cis women as it is about attitude. I would rather date a 5'0" guy with a 10' tall attitude than a 7'6" guy with a 4'0" attitude. Does that make any sense or am I just crazy? But it is not about size as much as attitude.

Is it something you really want, or just playing with the idea? o:

Nah it makes sense.  :P It's just a little surprising because it's not an opinion I hear very often. I usually hear even confident short and/or skinny guys get mocked for doing that sort of thing. Short guys with big trucks seem to be a really common joke when it comes to short men overcompensating (and even though it's left a dent in my own confidence, I always thought it was weird how tall guys are allowed to have, act, and do certain things, but short guys are somehow not worthy?)

Quote from: lxndr on October 19, 2014, 01:45:22 AM
I also thought something short at the sides would suit you before I read you saying that you didn't want it, so I think you should properly consider it.

Oh really? So Kam wasn't just being nice, then?  ;D Hehe thanks guys. I'm definitely closer to making a decision.

Quote from: adrian on October 19, 2014, 01:53:00 AM
I love this thread! I still don't know what to do about my hair, so a lot of inspiration here :) I also want a tattoo by Valentin Hirsch, but that's a different story.

Littleredrobin, the good thing about the super long hair is you can go shorter in stages. So you can actually try out different styles if you're uncertain or don't feel daring enough. I'd encourage you to go shorter though - you have a very androgynous face, and a shorter style would go with that very well (but I'm biased, I've never had long hair in my life ;)).

Yeah. Hair is tricky, huh?  :P To be honest it took me a good 3 hours before I decided to make this thread -- partly because I was afraid to show my face (but all these nice comments have removed that fear), but also because I was afraid that everyone would be annoyed and be like "Why can't you do it yourself?" haha

And aw, thanks!  ;D I'm right on the edge of making a decision, but I can't put my finger on what's pulling me back..

Well, be prepared to show your face again once you get the new cut [emoji16] [emoji16] [emoji106]

Quote from: adrian on October 19, 2014, 01:58:03 AM
Well, be prepared to show your face again once you get the new cut [emoji16] [emoji16] [emoji106]

Oh I will.  ;D Although y'all might have to nag me until I'm able to get it done -- I'm good at chickening out hahaha.

I really hope I don't chicken out this time, though. For once in my life, I'd like to feel attractive, y'know? I never made any effort to work towards looking attractive, because I felt like I had to be an attractive woman -- the kind you see on TV and magazines. And for obvious reasons, I never wanted to be those women.
At the same time, though, I felt like I could never make a good looking "dude", so I thought "why bother?" and just let my hair grow super long, and never wear anything besides sweatpants and big T-shirts (updating my wardrobe will probably be my next goal  :P)

Oh, I know how it feels.

I actually think you'll be very attractive once you let that guy out :). And updating the wardrobe can be a bit frustrating, but it's also a great feeling once you find some stuff that fits and feels comfortable!

Hm, now I'm motivated to do my own hair/help me make my face look less femme thread. Maybe...

Quote from: adrian on October 19, 2014, 02:09:53 AM
Oh, I know how it feels.

I actually think you'll be very attractive once you let that guy out :). And updating the wardrobe can be a bit frustrating, but it's also a great feeling once you find some stuff that fits and feels comfortable!

Hm, now I'm motivated to do my own hair/help me make my face look less femme thread. Maybe...

Yeah, the "finding something that fits" part will probably be the biggest issue haha. Even when I used to shop for "girl clothes", I never fit in anything. Shirts were either too big, or just the right size except for the chest area. Pants were similar.. Too large, or too tight in the hip/thigh area. My short limbs have always given me issues, too. They're "proportionate", sure, but too short for like 98% of clothes.  :P (I wonder if a binder would help with shirts..? At least in the chest area. I'm not huge, but any shirt that's small enough to fit my frame and arms is usually too small in the chest)

And you totally should!  ;D I can try to help find you something you'd like, too.

Quote from: littleredrobinhood on October 19, 2014, 01:56:37 AM
Is it something you really want, or just playing with the idea? o:

Nah it makes sense.  :P It's just a little surprising because it's not an opinion I hear very often. I usually hear even confident short and/or skinny guys get mocked for doing that sort of thing. Short guys with big trucks seem to be a really common joke when it comes to short men overcompensating (and even though it's left a dent in my own confidence, I always thought it was weird how tall guys are allowed to have, act, and do certain things, but short guys are somehow not worthy?)

It's actually something I want but at the same time playing around with the idea. Like I said if I was 100%, Oh yeah definitely I would have a tramp stamp, A pinkish butterfly on my right ankle and a hummingbird in girly colors on my left hip.

Guys are gonna' mock, laugh and make fun of anything they think someone else has better than them. That is guy behavior. Guys make fun of your shortcomings. It really isn't anything personal. It isn't a personal attack. That is what guys do. To be completely honest, the more guys mess with you the more respect they have for you. Unless it is just mean and they want to hurt you physically. If they laugh and make jokes at your expense and you can take it and give as good as you get then you are in. If guys are scared you will beat their butts if they make fun of you, that isn't real respect and that means you don't belong. It means they are scared of you because you are crazy enough to actually hurt them and so on. Fear is not respect. Respect is belonging and that they feel comfortable enough to joke and put you down and you can put them down too. That, my dear, is male bonding. Guys are totally different than girls. When guys put you down they are looking to get put down themselves. It is fun to them and for some reason gives them a bond with each other. Just keep that in mind.

Not to derail this thread, but a binder could help with the chest issue!

Well, maybe I will make my own thread. Need to work up my courage though ;)

Quote from: Jess42 on October 19, 2014, 02:17:12 AM
It's actually something I want but at the same time playing around with the idea. Like I said if I was 100%, Oh yeah definitely I would have a tramp stamp, A pinkish butterfly on my right ankle and a hummingbird in girly colors on my left hip.

Guys are gonna' mock, laugh and make fun of anything they think someone else has better than them. That is guy behavior. Guys make fun of your shortcomings. It really isn't anything personal. It isn't a personal attack. That is what guys do. To be completely honest, the more guys mess with you the more respect they have for you. Unless it is just mean and they want to hurt you physically. If they laugh and make jokes at your expense and you can take it and give as good as you get then you are in. If guys are scared you will beat their butts if they make fun of you, that isn't real respect and that means you don't belong. It means they are scared of you because you are crazy enough to actually hurt them and so on. Fear is not respect. Respect is belonging and that they feel comfortable enough to joke and put you down and you can put them down too. That, my dear, is male bonding. Guys are totally different than girls. When guys put you down they are looking to get put down themselves. It is fun to them and for some reason gives them a bond with each other. Just keep that in mind.

Are butterfly on the ankle tattoos popular? o: I ask because my Mom just so happens to have one on her ankle, too! You sound like you know what you want, though, so once you feel ready, you should totally go for it.  ;D

And ha, I guess that has some truth to it.. Ask anyone I've ever known and they'd tell you I'm big on "teasing" lol. So I guess I can't complain too much when I'm not really much better, myself.  :P

Quote from: adrian on October 19, 2014, 02:17:38 AM
Not to derail this thread, but a binder could help with the chest issue!

Well, maybe I will make my own thread. Need to work up my courage though ;)

I better get my "measurements" then!  :D I hate when people can see my chest (even under clothes), but if it's to finally look good in actual decent clothing? Worth it.

And there's nothing to worry about -- clearly everyone here is super nice with this sort of thing.  ;) I doubt your experience will be any different.

Quote from: littleredrobinhood on October 19, 2014, 02:25:43 AM
Are butterfly on the ankle tattoos popular? o: I ask because my Mom just so happens to have one on her ankle, too! You sound like you know what you want, though, so once you feel ready, you should totally go for it.  ;D

And ha, I guess that has some truth to it.. Ask anyone I've ever known and they'd tell you I'm big on "teasing" lol. So I guess I can't complain too much when I'm not really much better, myself.  :P

Ah. I don't know but I do like butterflies though. I don't know if they are popular or not but your mom and I am probably are about the same age just looking at your pictures.

That hon, is how you fit in with guys. If you get mad then they will definitely not consider you part of the group. The more you can give back, the more they will consider you part of the "pack". If you can give back as good as you get, you've got it made. To be completely honest I think guy's whole bonding experience is to try to make one of their friends cry. And then if they do, they will never hear the end of it. OMG, girl bonding is so much easier and more natural. Of course I have been on both sides so...

Quote from: Jess42 on October 19, 2014, 02:35:57 AM
Ah. I don't know but I do like butterflies though. I don't know if they are popular or not but your mom and I am probably are about the same age just looking at your pictures.

That hon, is how you fit in with guys. If you get mad then they will definitely not consider you part of the group. The more you can give back, the more they will consider you part of the "pack". If you can give back as good as you get, you've got it made. To be completely honest I think guy's whole bonding experience is to try to make one of their friends cry. And then if they do, they will never hear the end of it. OMG, girl bonding is so much easier and more natural. Of course I have been on both sides so...

You think so? Haha. I won't ask you your age, but my Mom is 50. (but shhh, don't tell her I said that on a public forum  :laugh: )

Yeah, even though I'm definitely not a woman, I've always got along easier with the gals.  :P They're more friendly hahaha. It's definitely something I'll miss if I start transitioning.. because there will suddenly be this "wall" between myself and women. But I don't think I'll have too much trouble making friends with women as a man. My femininity might help with that, hah. Plus I'm not a creep or a jerk (well, minus the teasing lol).

Quote from: littleredrobinhood on October 19, 2014, 02:46:56 AM
You think so? Haha. I won't ask you your age, but my Mom is 50. (but shhh, don't tell her I said that on a public forum  :laugh: )

Yeah, even though I'm definitely not a woman, I've always got along easier with the gals.  :P They're more friendly hahaha. It's definitely something I'll miss if I start transitioning.. because there will suddenly be this "wall" between myself and women. But I don't think I'll have too much trouble making friends with women as a man. My femininity might help with that, hah. Plus I'm not a creep or a jerk (well, minus the teasing lol).

I'm pretty close. OMG you kids make me feel so old sometimes. Now I'm depressed. Thank you littleredrobinhood. ::) Sarcasm. I think I may tell your mom. What is her number? ;D

Seriously though. As long as you can give back as good as you get, and it sounds like it, you'll be OK. Yeah I've always bonded with women easier than men until I learned the male bonding stuff. Women was always much easier for me.

Quote from: Jess42 on October 19, 2014, 03:03:21 AM
I'm pretty close. OMG you kids make me feel so old sometimes. Now I'm depressed. Thank you littleredrobinhood. ::) Sarcasm. I think I may tell your mom. What is her number? ;D

Seriously though. As long as you can give back as good as you get, and it sounds like it, you'll be OK. Yeah I've always bonded with women easier than men until I learned the male bonding stuff. Women was always much easier for me.

Awww, please don't call my ma! I'm beggin' ya! I'm too old for that!  :icon_cry2:

But ha, you've no reason to feel bad, sarcasm or not.  ;) I think of it this way; food isn't considered "old" until it has expired. And "expired" - when applied to humans - typically means "dead". In other words, you ain't old til you're dead.  :laugh:

I put a ticker in my sig counting down until my Dad gets home!  :laugh: (He has to take me, so I can't do anything until he gets back)

Seems like something really petty to make a ticker for, but hey -- I felt left out!  :P (plus it's a pretty big deal to me. and my sig felt really empty)

Quote from: littleredrobinhood on October 19, 2014, 03:06:36 AM
Awww, please don't call my ma! I'm beggin' ya! I'm too old for that!  :icon_cry2:

But ha, you've no reason to feel bad, sarcasm or not.  ;) I think of it this way; food isn't considered "old" until it has expired. And "expired" - when applied to humans - typically means "dead". In other words, you ain't old til you're dead.  :laugh:

I feel dead sometimes. Does that count? ;) Expired? :-\ Not yet. the world ain;t gonna' get that lucky. >:-)

I don't care how old you are. I'm still tellin' on you. :o

Seriously though, you're gonna' do fine. Just from this little go around. >:-)

But for the hair. I still say keep at least shoulder length at least. Short haired guys are so boring. I live in the land of bald heads and extremely short hair and I don't know if they are bada$$es like Kerry King and hit on them as a bad girl or put on a longer dress and go to church with them. :-\ Of course some of those church guys are more freaky than me. :embarrassed:

OMG I would give anything to have hair like yours though, guy or girl. But yeah lower shoulder blade length or a little longer than shoulder length would be just about right. It really is a little too long now and probably weighing itself down quite bit. Mine is curly and when I reach behind my back and pull it straight it is about halfway down my back. But the curls take a lot of length.

Quote from: Jess42 on October 19, 2014, 03:45:27 AM
I feel dead sometimes. Does that count? ;) Expired? :-\ Not yet. the world ain;t gonna' get that lucky. >:-)

I don't care how old you are. I'm still tellin' on you. :o

Seriously though, you're gonna' do fine. Just from this little go around. >:-)

But for the hair. I still say keep at least shoulder length at least. Short haired guys are so boring. I live in the land of bald heads and extremely short hair and I don't know if they are bada$$es like Kerry King and hit on them as a bad girl or put on a longer dress and go to church with them. :-\ Of course some of those church guys are more freaky than me. :embarrassed:

OMG I would give anything to have hair like yours though, guy or girl. But yeah lower shoulder blade length or a little longer than shoulder length would be just about right. It really is a little too long now and probably weighing itself down quite bit. Mine is curly and when I reach behind my back and pull it straight it is about halfway down my back. But the curls take a lot of length.

Haha, no, it doesn't count.  :P You're not dead until you're in the ground. Or an urn.. or whatever lol.

And soooorry, I'm going "boring"  ;) haha (likewise, though. I've always wished to have curly hair. Could never understand when my Mom straightened hers hahaha)

Quote from: littleredrobinhood on October 19, 2014, 03:50:56 AM
Haha, no, it doesn't count.  :P You're not dead until you're in the ground. Or an urn.. or whatever lol.

And soooorry, I'm going "boring"  ;) haha (likewise, though. I've always wished to have curly hair. Could never understand when my Mom straightened hers hahaha)

Don't go that boring. But yeah curly is soooooo easy. A little antifrizz, gel and then shake my head like a dog and when the gel dries run my fingers through it to make it soft and almost perfect every time. But different every time.

Uh... the best thing I can tell you is a little at a time. If you cut it all off at once, guy or girl, you may regret it. Stages. If not and you go really dramatic it will be shock. Guy or girl. Even if I wasn't MTF trans I would still have long hair, maybe not quite as long as it is now but still longer at least.

As long as your hair is though, You go really dramatically short it will be a shock. You can split it down the middle and cut it straight in the front and it will make it a little longer in the back and shorter in the front. That is what I do with mine. I trim mine myself and if I want a certain style then I got a guy I go to.

God, if my hair was as long as yours( I really wish) anything shorter than shoulder I would probably cry like a baby.

Quote from: adrian on October 19, 2014, 02:17:38 AM
Not to derail this thread, but a binder could help with the chest issue!

I found this to be true, too.  I can go from a mens L, which is too long and a bit off the shoulder, to a men's M which fits great (except around my hips, which I'm working on)  Still major boob outline though, even with the binder  :-\

Oh, haircut thread--Would really like to see what you end up with.   I've got a cut that ends up looking like a girl pixie. I'm looking for something more androgynous. 
Chris

Quote from: FriendsCallMeChris on October 22, 2014, 09:22:18 AM
Oh, haircut thread--Would really like to see what you end up with.   I've got a cut that ends up looking like a girl pixie. I'm looking for something more androgynous. 
Chris

OK, I'm working on it (well, me :D). I just got a haircut, and my hair dresser was really awesome but I chickened out when he suggested chopping off the sides entirely ;). I like the new cut, but I continue to hate my face. [emoji33]

I'll take pics this weekend. Promise [emoji12]