I would appreciate anyone who [filtered] checking out this post. Let people know what you think Susan's Place Transgender Resources. We have been a victim of a ongoing slander campaign on [filtered], and I got tired of it. Feel free to let people know what you think of this web site.
I wasn't a member, but I have done what I can. I know if I took a particular view outright it would get completely shot down. I did try and paint a much more positive view in regards to here in hopes they can at least see an effort is being made to improve the site for all of us and those who come after us.
Mariah
I was glad to see your post on their this morning (though it took me a while to convince myself that it was actually you and not some impostor). I spend a fair bit of time over there, and have been annoyed to see this site being bashed again and again. It's baffling to me---I can certainly understand that different people are looking for different communities, and not everyone will be comfortable on every site, but you are absolutely right to call it misinformation. Most of the complaints I've seen are pretty much the opposite of true, to the point that I sometimes wondered if there was some other Susan's Place out there that they were talking about.
So, thanks for taking the time to do that.
I know based on my post a few came back and took a look. So only time will tell.
Mariah
I really do wonder what part of Susan's these people see.
Alas, with a website of this size and with this many members (past and present) there will be some who aren't suited to it, and who are convinced it's not a good place.
Well, I admire your courage in tackling questions :) I'll plop in there and comment something
Hi Susan
I've never been on ->-bleeped-<- before today but have created an account to hopefully help.
I've tried to make it clear in my first post that anything I post is my opinion only and that my responses do not represent the policies of this site.
I'll keep a tab open on my tablet to keep an eye on ->-bleeped-<- over the next few days, if there is ever something I don't respond to then feel free to pm me with a kick up the bum to remind me to check in
People are so much diverse in their appearance and thought. I do not mind so much what others post in all kinds of internet sites, and can not. Do we need some homogeneity in opinions? Probably not. I would not defend myself.
barbie~~
I know a girl that gets her information from ->-bleeped-<- instead of here. She didn't like the restriction on discussing meds even though she sees an Endo. I never asked, but I think her complaint is that we can't make comparisons with that rule. I don't think she would ever post against this site though.
I have a feeling I know who your talking about because I think she replied to my post in that thread over there.
Mariah
Quote from: awilliams1701 on April 27, 2015, 03:11:23 PM
I know a girl that gets her information from ->-bleeped-<- instead of here. She didn't like the restriction on discussing meds even though she sees an Endo. I never asked, but I think her complaint is that we can't make comparisons with that rule. I don't think she would ever post against this site though.
OK, I just read this gem about myself. Wow. Just. Wow. Am I universally hated now?
Changed for the better? I'd say Jill F as an example is hardly a mod motivated for improvement. I've seen her lock several threads and delete posts for no apparent reason.
Easily explained away as a touchy power tripping mod with a ->-bleeped-<- eating grin on her still masculine face. Sorta like a nazi guard.
Big hug! A bunch of juveniles, Jill, don't worry about them. I agree with Barbie, Susan has no need to defend herself, and watching the pinheads take shots really isn't very productive. Susan, my advice is give your time to this site, no one over there deserves your attention.
Hugs, Devlyn
I couldn't believe it when I read there remark, but then another one I thought was completely out of left field too that didn't make sense at all either.
Mariah
Quote from: Jill F on April 27, 2015, 03:36:15 PM
OK, I just read this gem about myself. Wow. Just. Wow. Am I universally hated now?
Changed for the better? I'd say Jill F as an example is hardly a mod motivated for improvement. I've seen her lock several threads and delete posts for no apparent reason.
Easily explained away as a touchy power tripping mod with a ->-bleeped-<- eating grin on her still masculine face. Sorta like a nazi guard.
Devlyn is completely right and that has been my feeling all along in regards to it.
Mariah
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on April 27, 2015, 03:41:04 PM
Big hug! A bunch of juveniles, Jill, don't worry about them. I agree with Barbie, Susan has no need to defend herself, and watching the pinheads take shots really isn't very productive. Susan, my advice is give your time to this site, no one over there deserves your attention.
Hugs, Devlyn
Ve vill haf none of zis or I vill locken zis thread und ban zie alles vile I eaten schiesse und grin.
*le sigh*
Eeeeep!!!
I got the impression that the people who commented in that ->-bleeped-<- thread have a chip on their shoulder and aren't going to let it go no matter what is said. I'm sorry but I chose not to get into that ring of toxicity :/
Success breeds jealousy. Enough said.
Quote from: Jill F on April 27, 2015, 03:36:15 PM
OK, I just read this gem about myself. Wow. Just. Wow. Am I universally hated now?
Changed for the better? I'd say Jill F as an example is hardly a mod motivated for improvement. I've seen her lock several threads and delete posts for no apparent reason.
Easily explained away as a touchy power tripping mod with a ->-bleeped-<- eating grin on her still masculine face. Sorta like a nazi guard.
It's the the same group of disgruntled members and ex staff from that Nonbinary web site which has been waging a campaign of harassment and disinformation. Sad thing is as I said, our traffic started booming when they decided to leave. Deletion requests went down majorly as well.
If this site gets to where I want it I see a courtroom in every one of their futures, and I see a whole load of bad karma coming for them. And if it crosses into criminal harassment, and conspiracy which it will; then I will seek the full sanction of the law.
They should stop now; and hope I forget before that happens because I can be a persistent and remorseless bitch against people who go after my friends, my site, and me...
Hi Susan and members,
I'm a member of the AskTransgender ->-bleeped-<- community, and I frequently visit other trans communities on ->-bleeped-<-, because of the welcoming environment, lack of cliquishness, and the ability to up or downvote based on helpfulness. ->-bleeped-<- is a large community with hundreds of thousands of members, many of which are not cis. As such, the trans sub->-bleeped-<-s do get a huge variety of people, some of which like to troll us. Right now, we're short on mods, and are in the process of recruiting/electing more. So moderation is a little... lacking.
So yeah, Jill, sorry about alphatrans' comment. They're a new account, likely made specifically to troll the post Susan made. That comment will likely be deleted, once the mods are awake.
That being said, this post is against ->-bleeped-<-'s rules on brigading, and can get your account banned, Susan. There are very few things you can get banned ->-bleeped-<--wide, but this is one of them.
So yeah. I may participate in this community myself. I had a terrible experience reading this forum years ago, I dislike the rules against discussing HRT dosages, and I hate the misogynistic header image, but I'll give it you benefit of the doubt and check it out again.
Quote from: Susan on April 27, 2015, 05:25:52 PM
It's the whole the same group of disgruntled members and ex staff from that Nonbinary web site which has been waging a campaign of harassment and disinformation. Sad thing is as I said, our traffic started booming when they decided to leave. Deletion requests went down majorly as well.
If this site gets to where I want it I see a courtroom in their futures, and I see a whole load of bad karma coming for them. And if it crosses into criminal harassment, and conspiracy which it will then I will seek the full sanction of the law.
They should stop now; and hope I forget before that happens because I can be a persistent and remorseless bitch against people who go after my friends, my site, and me...
The person that made that comment about Jill is not part of the nb folk forum, it was mean and should not be present in any discussion as it was an unwarranted personal attack. I don't know who has been harassing you, but I hope you can do something about it as its not right in any way. I can only hope its no one on the other forum as that would be quite disheartening.
Quote from: erisrenee on April 27, 2015, 05:35:54 PM
That being said, this post is against ->-bleeped-<-'s rules on brigading, and can get your account banned, Susan. There are very few things you can get banned ->-bleeped-<--wide, but this is one of them.
->-bleeped-<- states and I was very careful not to:
QuoteIn regard to promoting ->-bleeped-<- posts
- Hint at asking for votes. ("Show me some love!", "Is this front page worthy?", "Vote This Up to Spread the Word!", "If this makes the front page, I'll adopt this stray cat and name it ->-bleeped-<-", "If this reaches 500 points, I'll get a tattoo of the ->-bleeped-<- alien!", "Upvote if you do this!", "Why isn't this getting more attention?", etc.)
- Conduct polls using the title of your submission and/or votes. These methods are not reliable because of vote fuzzing and are in that regard just asking for upvotes.
- Send out IMs, tweets, or any other message asking people to vote for your submission — or comply when other people ask you. This will result in a ban from the admins. Your submission should get points for being good, not because the submitter is part of a voting clique.
- Ask for upvotes in exchange for gifts or prizes. "Upvote me to the top and I'll give away ..."
- Create mass downvote or upvote campaigns. This includes attacking a user's profile history when they say something bad and participating in karma party threads.
Feel free to explain where I did any of those things?
What did I do? I asked the ->-bleeped-<- users from my site to look at the thread that is it.
I suggested they could tell people what they thought of the site. I did not ask for votes either way.
That is it. Nothing that even come close to violating the rules of ->-bleeped-<-.
I would expect the ->-bleeped-<- creators to follow my rules on my site, I will follow theirs on theirs.
I have proof in the announcements thread of one of their members sent me harassing text messages, and I am 90% sure it is the same person who has created facebook accounts in Cindy's former name, Matt's name, Mrs Izzy's former and current name.
Matt wasn't even here for the non-binary stuff, and is a minor.
as I said bad karma is coming.
You shouldn't assume that I don't already have indirect access to the Ex-Susan's forum over there.
Quote from: Susan on April 27, 2015, 06:01:36 PM
<filtered> states and I was very careful not to:
Feel free to explain where I did any of those things?
What did I do? I asked the <filtered> users from my site to look at the thread that is it.
I suggested they could tell people what they thought of the site. I did not ask for votes either way.
That is it. Nothing that even come close to violating the rules of <filtered>.
I would expect the <filtered> creators to follow my rules on my site, I will follow theirs on theirs.
> NOT OK: Sharing links with your friends or coworkers and asking them to vote.
While you're not explicitly asking for votes, you are asking for participation which implies votes. I know people permabanned for less.
In addition, it is against rules to link the on outside sites for noneducational/informational purposes. By linking you are violating that rule as well, and inciting drama.
Also as an aside, I don't know who is harassing your members. I hope you get to the bottom of it. I have a friend being harassed on fb as well. The trans community can be cruel.
wow, this is crazy stuff. I just looked at ->-bleeped-<- site for the first time and read the remarks to Susan and got quite offended. I post a lot and always think I'm pretty neutral in my questions . Seems to me someone has definitely got a grudge against Susan and if she can get them to hang themselves in a legal loop more power to her.
Then let then do so. These are not coworkers. I didn't post it in my private staff forums. I posted it in a public area for everyone. I did not ask people to only share positive stories either. No one will be penalized for anything they say there on here. Not even hanazon0's little group.
You can imply anything you wish but I will let my post, and the action of my members stand on its own. I have yet to read anything that did not simply add to the discussion.
I read the <filtered> rules, Reddiquette, and the asktransgender rules very carefully before I posted. Nothing I have done there or here violates them. If you feel otherwise please share it with the <filtered> staff.
I have also been in communication with them since the beginning of my thread.
Quote from: Susan on April 27, 2015, 06:29:25 PM
Then let then do so. These are not coworkers. I didn't post it in my private staff forums. I posted it in a public area for everyone.
You can imply anything you wish but I will let my post, and the action of my members stand on it's own. I have yet to read anything that did not simply add to the discussion.
I read the ->-bleeped-<- rules, Reddiquette, and the ask transgender rules very carefully before I posted. Nothing I have done there or here violates them. If you feel otherwise please share it with the ->-bleeped-<- staff.
I'm not reporting you. I'm just making sure you're aware you're going against the asktransgender and ->-bleeped-<- rules. I don't think anything constructive will result from getting your account banned from ->-bleeped-<- or the sub->-bleeped-<-. Besides, right now ask transgender has only one active moderator.
I also wanted to apologize for the personal attacks on there and make it clear that those are not exactly common on the sub->-bleeped-<-, which is otherwise a very accepting, supportive community.
I love Susan's Place and the information has helped me so much. Everyone has been great. Some site only seem to want 18yo pretty girls. Lol. Thank you everyone here I would be lost without everyone.
I read through some of that. Wow, just wow.
Seriously? Getting bent out of shape because we refer to ourselves as boys and girls?
Quote from: iKate on April 27, 2015, 06:49:42 PM
I read through some of that. Wow, just wow.
Seriously? Getting bent out of shape because we refer to ourselves as boys and girls?
That was me, and I explained my position. I'm not bent out of shape, I just consider it a bit creepy. No judgment, however. Do what you wish.
Quote from: erisrenee on April 27, 2015, 06:50:41 PM
That was me, and I explained my position. I'm not bent out of shape, I just consider it a bit creepy. No judgment, however. Do what you wish.
Okay. I just found it a bit odd. Thanks for explaining. I guess it's a culture thing, I've called adult friends boy and girl for a long time.
Quote from: iKate on April 27, 2015, 07:09:45 PM
Okay. I just found it a bit odd. Thanks for explaining. I guess it's a culture thing, I've called adult friends boy and girl for a long time.
Nah that's not what I'm talking about. I always will say I'm out with the girls, or with the boys, etc. It's just when people call themselves a girl or a boy and they're fully grown adults, I get a bit sleeved out. It was one of several things that I pointed out as turning me off of these forums. But I'm here now, so whatevs.
Hard not to notice how much more effort you've put into warning Susan about an alleged linking violation than you did over a transwoman being misgendered. Welcome to the site.
Hugs, Devlyn
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on April 27, 2015, 07:20:33 PM
Hard not to notice how much more effort you've put into warning Susan about an alleged linking violation than you did over a transwoman being misgendered. Welcome to the site.
Hugs, Devlyn
I said it's uncalled for, I downvoted the comment, and I reported the comment. It's not constructive for me to go off on the person on ->-bleeped-<-. I did not report Susan's post on ->-bleeped-<-.
Also as a nitpick, it wasn't misgendering, it was a comment attacking her appearance, as "masculine". One of the main things I like to point out is that there are plenty of feminine men, and masculine women, and there is nothing wrong with that. Used as an insult, however, is messed up.
Thanks for the warm, passive-aggressive, welcome.
Quote from: erisrenee on April 27, 2015, 07:26:56 PM
I said it's uncalled for, I downvoted the comment, and I reported the comment. It's not constructive for me to go off on the person on ->-bleeped-<-. I did not report Susan's post on ->-bleeped-<-.
Also as a nitpick, it wasn't misgendering, it was a comment attacking her appearance, as "masculine". One of the main things I like to point out is that there are plenty of feminine men, and masculine women, and there is nothing wrong with that. Used as an insult, however, is messed up.
Thanks for the warm, passive-aggressive, welcome.
Bienvenue
This is Susan's thread but can I just remind all members that personal attacks are not tolerated.
I wasn't questioning your actions, just pointing them out. You dropped one sentence there, in your group. An area you ought to be concerned about. Then came here with a major post about respecting ->-bleeped-<- rules. Actions speak louder than words.
Hugs, Devlyn
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on April 27, 2015, 07:35:00 PM
I wasn't questioning your actions, just pointing them out. You dropped one sentence there, in your group. An area you ought to be concerned about. Then came here with a major post about respecting ->-bleeped-<- rules. Actions speak louder than words.
Hugs, Devlyn
Over there is a different culture than over here. As I said, it wouldn't be constructive of me to write a long-winded post against that poster's actions. Instead, it is more constructive to report, downvote the post, and write a short reply, condemning the action. If I am elected mod there, I'd be able to do more, but for now, that's the best I can do.
I wrote a longer post here because I wanted to make it clear that that type of behavior is not acceptable, nor normal, on our transgender communities on ->-bleeped-<-. My main motivation for posting here was to apologize for their actions, on behalf of the community. The comment about Susan breaking ->-bleeped-<- rules was an aside, within the post. Susan asked which rule she was disobeying, and I clarified. But I did not report her post as I believe it is a constructive post. Her ->-bleeped-<- post has been deleted by the mods, however, as it IS against the rules, as I warned. I also wish to be a constructive member of this community, and judge the community for myself, rather than based on my impressions from years ago, or secondhand comments.
Anyway, sorry for the admittedly crappy introduction.
Yes, it is a different culture. Here, the goal is information and suicide prevention. I have three to my credit.
People can go to your area and say or do anything offensive they like. That simply isn't allowed here. I think you'll prefer the air here.
Hugs, Devlyn
Quote from: erisrenee on April 27, 2015, 07:43:53 PM
As I said, it wouldn't be constructive of me to write a long-winded post against that poster's actions. Instead, it is more constructive to report, downvote the post...
Which is what we expect of people to do here if similar happened. Thank you for doing what you did.
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on April 27, 2015, 07:58:11 PM
Yes, it is a different culture. Here, the goal is information and suicide prevention. I have three to my credit.
People can go to your area and say or do anything offensive they like. That simply isn't allowed here. I think you'll prefer the air here.
Hugs, Devlyn
Once again, you're being passive aggressive, and I'd appreciate it if you stop. We've also derailed the entire topic. There, the goal is also information and suicide prevention. There are also less-strict rules, but personal attacks, misgendering, slurs, etc, are against the rules. I prefer the less-restrictive environment there, since here apparently (according to the rules) I cannot even link to external resources. According to the rules, I could be banned already for linking to ->-bleeped-<-'s rules and the sub->-bleeped-<- rules, for Susan.
In addition, your closing, "hugs," reads as patronizing to me. I've gotten a TON of help from the trans communities on ->-bleeped-<-, and I have helped an untold number of people, some on the brink of suicide. It is a fantastic resource that has helped thousands of people, in a less-strict environment. So when you make thinly-veiled insults targeted at the sub->-bleeped-<- or its members in general, I get defensive. I hope that helps you understand where I'm coming from.
Quote from: Ms Grace on April 27, 2015, 08:02:25 PM
Which is what we expect of people to do here if similar happened. Thank you for doing what you did.
No problem, the comment has been deleted. Once again, I am SO sorry for the personal attacks on the sub->-bleeped-<-. They're recruiting new mods, as right now the workload is entirely on one mod (the 'head' mod is completely inactive and only comes out to cause problems), thanks to some drama. I'm one of the people in the running to hopefully become a mod, we're just waiting for all the applications to be in from everyone who expressed interest.
I have unlocked this, Devlyn you carried it just a little too far. I am removing your last post. Erisrenee, Devlyn's hug is just something she does. Consider no more than a forum signature, and ignore it as such if you like.
Quote from: Susan on April 27, 2015, 08:32:03 PM
I have unlocked this, Devlyn you carried it just a little too far. I am removing your last post. Erisrenee, Devlyn's hug is just something she does. Consider no more than a forum signature, and ignore it as such if you like.
It's all good. I got a bit defensive, as I said. I'm sorry.
Quote from: erisrenee on April 27, 2015, 06:13:21 PM
> NOT OK: Sharing links with your friends or coworkers and asking them to vote.
While you're not explicitly asking for votes, you are asking for participation which implies votes. I know people permabanned for less.
I didn't imply anything beyond what my message stated. I also did not act in secret. I have forums that only staff can read, and I could have easily posted this there. Again my posts and my actions will stand on their own.
Not everyone on this site is my friend, not everyone on this site likes me, not everyone on this site would write positive things about the site.
I didn't ask for that. I simply invited people from this site to discuss their experiences.
Quote from: erisrenee on April 27, 2015, 06:13:21 PM
In addition, it is against sub->-bleeped-<- rules (http://www.<filtered>.com/r/<filtered>/wiki/rules) to link the sub->-bleeped-<- on outside sites for noneducational/informational purposes. By linking the sub->-bleeped-<- you are violating that rule as well, and inciting drama.
The moderators of the sub->-bleeped-<- are aware of my post. I have contacted them several times. That being said my web site polices have no effect beyond my site, and neither does theirs.
Quote from: erisrenee on April 27, 2015, 06:13:21 PMAlso as an aside, I don't know who is harassing your members. I hope you get to the bottom of it. I have a friend being harassed on fb as well. The trans community can be cruel.
That is something that is not tolerated here. No one on this site gets harassed.
I have removed people's ability to contact someone privately because they sent an abusive message. It won't happen on the public forums simply because the moderators will not allow it to.
Every message public or private contains a report button. If someone receives a message that they feel violates the tos or is even questionable they should report it
Quote from: Susan on April 27, 2015, 08:44:23 PM
I didn't imply anything beyond what my message stated.
Not everyone on this site is my friend, not everyone on this site likes me, not everyone on this site would write positive things about the site.
I didn't ask for that. I simply invited people from this site to discuss their experiences.
The moderators of the sub->-bleeped-<- are aware of my post. I have contacted them several times. That being said my web site polices have no effect beyond my site, and neither does theirs.
That is something that is not tolerated here. No one on this site gets harassed.
I have removed people's ability to contact someone privately because they sent an abusive message. It won't happen on the public forums simply because the moderators will not allow it to.
Every message public or private contains a report button. If someone receives a message that they feel violates the tos or is even questionable they should report it
It doesn't matter, your post was deleted from the sub->-bleeped-<- since it disobeyed the rules, as I said. You might not see it as deleted, since the poster can still see the content they posted, after it's been deleted. If you log out, you'll see that the contents of your post has been deleted, and the post is no longer viewable from the frontpage. The personal attacks were also deleted from the thread.
Personal attacks and abuse are unacceptable on the sub->-bleeped-<-s as well, there are just not enough mods to enforce the rules.
Doesn't bother me it's a cesspool. I will not refer anyone to there including from my links directory. It doesn't exist. I think I will be starting a anti-<filtered> thread very soon.
QuoteQuoteI found the site helpful. I am talking to a therapist now. As far as passing goes I have found it to be irrelevant to happiness. Some people pass well and aren't happy while others will never pass and love their lives. I think all the internet sites help.
That's it exactly Toni! You have to live your life for yourself. What other people think does not matter, unless you care about their opinion. Negative comments say more about the person saying them then the person they are directed towards.
Was voted down at least 5-10 times, It went from positive 6 to 0 to positive 2 and back to 0 again. If that happened on here the people who gave the negative reputation point would have gotten it back doubled, or lost the ability to issue reputation; not because it was my post, but because they abused the reputation system.
Yet they have the gall to criticize this site...
I just went through and deleted every main thread that mentioned the specific site except this one. I can't edit it out of every reply; but I have made it so it will show <filtered> in every public or private message instead of advertising a place that allows blantant abuse like that.