I didn't know much about the movie other than it was transgender related.I figured I would be able to relate in some way... however, I was pleasantly surprised by the realness the movie brought to the big screen. The interactions, emotions and thought processes of the characters were so relatable to me and my wife. We both were in tears by the end of the movie. Very moving!! Excellent movie! If you haven't seen it go and watch it, completely worth it!
What did you think of The Danish Girl?
My wife actually brought the movie up to me before I mentioned it to her. So I think we have a winner here. :)
We saw it Wednesday night. I agree the relationship between Einar/Lili and Gerda was well done. Plus I saw so much of myself in Lili, I cried through about a third of the movie. Of the three of us who went, probably the least emotional was my wife. Our normally rather stoic lesbian friend stuck her hand out to me and asked if I had any tissues left.
Oh, and I've already preordered the DVD on Amazon.
A wonderful movie and long overdue!
It's great to hear such wonderful responses to the film. I'm going to see it hopefully pretty soon. I've been looking forward to it for a while. Not only because of the obvious trans in it, but being released this late in the year makes for a potential for nominations for the Oscars; which is great for any film. Can't wait to share my thoughts as well
Does she want /get srs
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Quote from: kissxofxbeth on December 25, 2015, 11:07:18 PM
Does she want /get srs
I'd like to say its the premise of the film. She is the first person in the world to successfully have operations to remove the penis and have a somewhat close vagina created inside her. She does die in one surgery later on. She had the operations and still was a guy who just simply cross dressed. She later on decided to take female hormones to really become a woman. It's an interesting story, which why the film sounds great to me.
I thought it was amazing! You should definitely check out the book as well. It's a lot more in depth. One of the few cases where the movie is just as good too.
I loved it, cried half the movie and could truly relate with Lili.
I really enjoyed this movie. The backdrops,scenery and architecture was so beautiful. Very emotional ending. Kinda was wishing they would have picked a different actor for Lily. Alicia Vikander is adorable.
Jalynn, I don't think they could have found another actor to play Einar/Lili better than Eddie Redwayne. I doubt any other actor would have put the hours upon hours of interviewing transgender women and in some cases their wives to prepare for the role. Sure it would have been wonderful to have a trans actor playing Lili but the problem with any movie is getting financing. And people are reluctant to invest their money in a movie without a big name. Was anyone aware that Redwayne, after the movie was done and he could have walked away, taught an acting class for trans actors?
By the way, who spotted the real trans actors in the movie?
J-Sada, I'm reading the book but strangely the one my wife wants to read is the book all this was based on. I downloaded it last night and it's only available on Kindle. It was originally titled Man Into Woman but now is Lili: A Portrait of the First Sex Change. It's from Lili's memoirs, letters and other resources at the time.
I am indeed looking forward to watching it. I'll probably wait until it comes on HBO though. That's how I pick up most movies. I live so far out in the sticks that it's not really possible for me to go to a theater. Shoot, it's at least 45 miles to the nearest traffic light!
Cindi
I will be watching it at least one more time. I am surprised it doesn't have a higher rating.
Quote from: J-Sada on December 25, 2015, 11:56:05 PM
I thought it was amazing! You should definitely check out the book as well. It's a lot more in depth. One of the few cases where the movie is just as good too.
Is the book under the same title?
Quote from: gamerchic_kaylee on December 26, 2015, 09:20:05 PM
Is the book under the same title?
The book the movie is based on is the same name. The Danish Girl by David Ebershoff.
The original book published in the 1930s from Lili's memoirs, letters and other people's accounts of her is Lili: A Portrait of the First Sex Change by Niels Hoyer. I think her doctors records were even used. It's available electronically only on Nook or Kindle.
Quote from: CaptFido87 on December 25, 2015, 11:21:56 PM
I'd like to say its the premise of the film. She is the first person in the world to successfully have operations to remove the penis and have a somewhat close vagina created inside her. She does die in one surgery later on. She had the operations and still was a guy who just simply cross dressed. She later on decided to take female hormones to really become a woman. It's an interesting story, which why the film sounds great to me.
Not only that, she had a uterus and ovaries implanted in her which led to her death. Incidentally that is something which is becoming closer to reality today.
I'm waiting for it on Blu-ray Disc. I pre-ordered on Amazon.
Too Hollywood, I thought. Lacked historical accuracy as well. I was surprised by the ending, which only hinted at what really happened, but portrayed something that didn't. I also thought that Gerda's portrayal seemed way off.
I definitely wish that there were a hell of a lot more movies of the same theme, especially high profile ones, so that the movie could be placed into perspective, and evaluated with proper analogues for better appraisal. Though I think that it is important to support films like this, so that there will be more of them, while at the same time not pulling punches on criticisms, so that they will be better.
I know that it is merely inspired by the lives of the real people it's based on, and doesn't exactly claim to be historically accurate...
Quote from: iKate on December 26, 2015, 09:59:11 PM
Not only that, she had a uterus and ovaries implanted in her which led to her death. Incidentally that is something which is becoming closer to reality today.
Which surprisingly wasn't what led to her death in the movie, it was the second operation, and not the fourth. The problem was organ transplant rejection, which was not successfully accomplished in any sense until decades later.
And it was after a womb was transplanted to her that she died, the ovaries were the third operation. She also claimed that they found shunken non-functional ovaries already present during the transplant. I doubt that is true, if she had testis.
Also, the medical records were destroyed during world war 2, so the exact details of the procedures are unclear.
Quite interesting!
Especially about the 3rd & 4th surgeries. I guess one has to read the book to get the whole story. Nonetheless, although the producers left this part out, they did a good job on her demise and the ending scene with the landscape.
QuoteJ-Sada, I'm reading the book but strangely the one my wife wants to read is the book all this was based on. I downloaded it last night and it's only available on Kindle. It was originally titled Man Into Woman but now is Lili: A Portrait of the First Sex Change. It's from Lili's memoirs, letters and other resources at the time.
QuoteI know that it is merely inspired by the lives of the real people it's based on, and doesn't exactly claim to be historically accurate...
Yes, it should be noted that the book the movie is based upon by David Ebershoff has many historical inaccuracies. He freely admits that he completely made up many details, including most of the characters other than Lili and Gerda. But there is a good amount of truth to it, I think. After all, it is Hollywood. And it certainly does a good job of capturing what many transpeople feel, despite it's imperfections.
I'd definitely like to read the original book myself.
Shouldn't "Man into woman" be available somewehere in the public domain? It was published in 1933! I really want to read it.
Also, the doctor in this movie seemed very similar to the 1930's doctor we saw in the second season of the "Transparent" series. Coincidental, or would he have been based on Elbe's doctor, Kurt Warnekros?
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Warnekros (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Warnekros)
Quote from: Naomi71 on December 27, 2015, 05:22:16 AM
Shouldn't "Man into woman" be available somewehere in the public domain? It was published in 1933! I really want to read it.
Naomi,
Man Into Woman is available electronically for Kindle or Nook but is long out of print in book form. It's new title is
Lili: A Portrait of the First Sex Change by Niels Hoyer.
so I saw the movie today. Wow. It was great and a wonderful film. Both main characters are worthy of a nomination in my opinion. They did seem to cut some known stuff out, but got the main points across. The movie makes reference that Lili dies shortly after the second operation, where it was more like the 4th by the time she was done in real life. They never officially say that she's on hormones, but they hint at it, where she was taking pills every couple of hours with food. Thought that was neat. I'm sure she wasn't the first person to take female hormones, but she's probably closer to the beginning of the list.
The movie does make you every bit emotional and I admit it was hard to keep the tears back. Well worth the viewing if you're trans, or just love great film making. It's going to be on my mind for a bit as I continue to question my sexuality and gender even more than I already do.
She wasn't on hormones, they weren't aware of them at the time. It wasn't until after that they began experimenting with feminizing and masculinizing rats by transplanting ovaries and testis into them at a very early age, and eventually isolating the hormones themselves. The work on this only really began in the 1930s, and was pretty much developed by the 1940s, so Lili would have be just a bit too early, which is why they attempted the ovary transplant in the first place.
Quote from: BeverlyAnn on December 27, 2015, 07:30:59 AM
Naomi, Man Into Woman is available electronically for Kindle or Nook but is long out of print in book form. It's new title is Lili: A Portrait of the First Sex Change by Niels Hoyer.
Started reading this tonight... a great read so far and I am only on chapter 5!! Thanks for sharing!!
I actually did not like the movie that much. I feel they played her point of view of being someone completely different really irritating. I mean it does not matter if i am a guy or a girl i am the same person. It was just a headache for me hearing her say that the other side of me has died.
Esspecially considering when i transtioned i don't want my family to look at it has the old me is gone, because i am the same person. So no i was not a big fan of the story but im hoping my name is rey will show the other side.
Quote from: roseyfox on December 28, 2015, 10:55:11 AM
I actually did not like the movie that much. I feel they played her point of view of being someone completely different really irritating. I mean it does not matter if i am a guy or a girl i am the same person. It was just a headache for me hearing her say that the other side of me has died.
Esspecially considering when i transtioned i don't want my family to look at it has the old me is gone, because i am the same person. So no i was not a big fan of the story but im hoping my name is rey will show the other side.
it's a pretty cliched narrative but some people do feel that way... or are made to feel that way by people around them...
i think i might read the books rather than see the film if it's not accurate
might go see this next week with my bestie
Quote from: roseyfox on December 28, 2015, 10:55:11 AM
I actually did not like the movie that much. I feel they played her point of view of being someone completely different really irritating. I mean it does not matter if i am a guy or a girl i am the same person. It was just a headache for me hearing her say that the other side of me has died.
Esspecially considering when i transtioned i don't want my family to look at it has the old me is gone, because i am the same person. So no i was not a big fan of the story but im hoping my name is rey will show the other side.
I haven't seen the movie but I did read the book and agree with what you're saying. Part of the way it was presented made it sound like a schizophrenic situation which isn't accurate; however, it is true that many of us have double lives during transition so I get why it's done like that. Anyway, I do think that to many of our loved ones inevitability will see it as losing someone even if we don't feel that way. In that sense the book really helped me come to understand the perspective of those witnessing the transition cause for many they do see the old us as dying. I know I've seen my mother in tears numerous times begging me not to take her son away. Objectively its not what's happening, but it's a whole different perspective when you aren't the one transitioning. So even though I share your view, ultimately I'm glad they showed it this way cause it kind of helped me understand my families struggles and I think that's one of the most important aspects of the book. Watching Gerda accept the loss of her husband probably hits home for a lot of people.
Anyway, I haven't seen the movie, but I have high hopes. Hopefully they won't drop the ball like almost every other trans movie.
The film was very... nice.
Quote from: roseyfox on December 28, 2015, 10:55:11 AM
I actually did not like the movie that much. I feel they played her point of view of being someone completely different really irritating. I mean it does not matter if i am a guy or a girl i am the same person. It was just a headache for me hearing her say that the other side of me has died.
Esspecially considering when i transtioned i don't want my family to look at it has the old me is gone, because i am the same person. So no i was not a big fan of the story but im hoping my name is rey will show the other side.
I've seen that a lot in the trans community over the years, and I never felt that way; the way I think about is me pre transition and me post transition, but I've always been the same person.
Quote from: CaptFido87 on December 25, 2015, 11:21:56 PM
She had the operations and still was a guy who just simply cross dressed.
WTF???????? >:(
just saw the movie. I thought it was a good portrayal of someone dealing with Dysphoria and the period when she lived seemed pretty accurate about the way she was treated by the doctors and the medical community. It's sad when relationships with others get twisted because you have this going on. She was lucky to have a wife that cared. He a good actor as was the girl that portrayed the wife. I don't think in this case it would of been more relevant to have a trams actor because what's his name is really good . given the time period no hormones were used so you wouldn't have the effects of hormones anyway.
I'm going to see the movie next week.
:)
Quote from: Jessica Merriman on December 28, 2015, 11:43:06 PM
She had the operations and still was a guy who just simply cross dressed.
WTF???????? >:(
I kind of worded that wrong, my apologies. It was late when I wrote that. Didn't proof read it...
From what my understanding of her when I read about Lili for the first time, was that the operations for removal of the male genitals and the placement of the female ones happened while she still identified as a man. It more or less a test, I suppose. I've never read the book so I could be wrong about that. It was my understanding after the fact that the removal of the male parts lead her to really become trans. So that was my initial thought. To me it seemed like she more of a cross dresser than trans at the time. Now yes, I'm aware of the differences. CD's often dress femininely and act like woman, but don't want to be one; where as trans feels that they are a woman. My opinion, especially after seeing the film, kind of made it seem like this was the case. The film showed Lili (or Einor) often seeing doctors to understand what was happening to her. Being the early 1900s most people likely didn't even know the term transgender or its meaning, where as the "->-bleeped-<-" term I believe is in the bible. So to me it would seem like she a cross dresser at the time as she struggled to understand it all and be real. Though when she boards the train to see the doctors for the surgery, she mentions the she intends to kill Einor. This to me is when she really becomes Lili. This is when she becomes trans and accepts what she really is.
I hope maybe that explains my reasoning more so. I wasn't trying to say it in a bad way. it just came out that way.
Quote from: CaptFido87 on December 30, 2015, 04:37:34 PM
It was my understanding after the fact that the removal of the male parts lead her to really become trans.
NO, ->-bleeped-<- IS NOT in the bible. UGH!
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I think Lili died in her late 40s after a couple of weeks of her 4th surgeries and inaccuracies was not there with her anymore, as she got remarried with an italian man (I read this wikipedia and an article), and I feel like the movie had a lot of inaccuracies but whatever, just the fact that they are using cisgender man to play the role of a trans woman, and appropriating the struggle of a trans woman in finding happiness with herself, and turning her into a weirdo, it's just plain disgusting.
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Quote from: BeverlyAnn on December 27, 2015, 07:30:59 AM
Naomi, Man Into Woman is available electronically for Kindle or Nook but is long out of print in book form. It's new title is Lili: A Portrait of the First Sex Change by Niels Hoyer.
Thank you for the recommendation!
I went to see the movie yesterday with my hubby, very powerful acting, regarding a cis person acting in the role of a trans person is never an issue with me, after all John Wayne played the role of a cowboy, but in real life he wasn't a cowboy.
I cried at the end, very sad ending, surgery really was in it's infancy in the 1930s, Lili is a role model for generations that came after her, I could really relate to her, I had my surgery in 1985, things have moved further on into the 21st century, in spite of some inaccuracies in the movie (after all it is Holywood) it was a great movie, well made, might make more people understand the pain that trans people go thru, I was also glad I went to see the movie with my husband.
I read the book and can wait till the movie hits the small screen. I cried many times at the magnitude of their public change and their private dramas. The book, perhaps, features more of their perspectives as a couple. Like my own spouse I am hugely impressed by a love that allows and provides for creativity and meaningful support.
So nice to know more about our shared history too.
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I thought overall it was worth a watch but It seemed to be very focused on clothing which seemed a bit odd to me and there is a point in the movie were they say she is an intersex person but it is never mentioned again and they don't go anywhere with that. I really don't know why that was in the movie. The other thing I didn't really like was how Lili was treated as a different person or personality.
The good, Eddie Redmayne is a great actor, back when everyone was complaining about him getting the role I thought he'd do great. Was impressive to see him hold those female facial expressions, I was crushing on Matthias Schoenaerts most of the movie.As someone who has been through the surgery thing when Lili was crying alone at the hospital beforehand, that was really touching and I felt the same way in hospital. It's hard to explain that moment in life.
The sets and costumes and cinematography were all great.
Quote from: Naomi71 on December 27, 2015, 05:22:16 AM
Shouldn't "Man into woman" be available somewehere in the public domain? It was published in 1933!
Not in the U.S.; a work has to have been published in 1922 or earlier to be automatically out of copyright.
I have an ancient paperback copy, but I still haven't read it. I don't think it's likely to be a very good book...
I've not seen it yet but hope to soon. Anything that raises awareness in a way that is mostly positive is surely a good thing and this film does seem to be getting mostly good things said about it. I'm looking forward to seeing it and hope my wife will get something from it.
At the risk of hijacking the thread, has anyone seen "Different for girls" starring Rupert Graves and Steven Mackintosh? I first saw this many years ago, before I'd figured any of this out and thought it was one of the loveliest films I've ever seen. Made in 1997. It's about a trans girls meeting an old school friend years after school and her transition is complete and how their friendship develops as they become friends again. Also has a beautiful performance from Mirriam Margolees as a minor but important character. It leaves me feeling great about the world every time I watch it. It can be had on <insert large internet retailer of that sort of stuff>. Couldn't recommend it highly enough.
Just checked the back of the DVD cover and apparently it won the best film award at the montreal world filn festival in 1996.
I haven't seen The Danish girl yet but I have seen Different for girls and I think it highlights the problem with cis actors playing trans roles.
I saw it like... 6-7 years ago? I was a lot younger and a lot more closeted and I really enjoyed it! The main role was so pretty! It could happen! She passes so well!
So I raced of to I.M.D.B to look up who this wonder trans woman was, was she in other movies? Had she played cis roles and I just never knew or noticed because she passed so well?
and it was Steven Machintosh. Winston from lock stock. Just chill winston. I was heart broken. I had been fooled by Hollywood special effects.
I've hated cis people playing trans characters ever since.
Quote from: Ltl89 on December 28, 2015, 06:32:53 PM
I know I've seen my mother in tears numerous times begging me not to take her son away. Objectively its not what's happening, but it's a whole different perspective when you aren't the one transitioning.
Some people make a comparison with a twin.
They will be like their male/female twin, with still the same sense of humour.
So some parts might change but some parts might remain.
This might be a concept people can understand.
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OMG. I finished Lili, A portrait of the First Sex Change on a business flight to Louisville. I was stoic to say the least. It did not help knowing how the book ended but as chapters breezed by nearing the end i couldn't help but be moved. I identified so much with Lili and her feelings. I felt what she felt.... her emotions were my own. Her diary entries were an inspiration as much as they were enlightening to me. My emotions spilled over and out, even in guy mode, i struggled to hide them and wipe the tears away before they were noticed. I was messed up for two days sorting out my thoughts.
I love the way the book was written and the poignant and poetic ending just spoke volumes to me. If i ever i doubted the legitimacy of my being trans... the feelings that this book evoked within me could not be denied. It just reinforced my resolve and i believe wholeheartedly that every MtF should read this book. Such a small price to pay for such an inspiration.
I can only hope that my story will be as influential to other as Lili's!
Just this girls opinion!! xoxoxo -A
Quote from: AmandaDanielle on January 15, 2016, 09:33:22 PM
OMG. I finished Lili, A portrait of the First Sex Change on a business flight to Louisville. I was stoic to say the least. It did not help knowing how the book ended but as chapters breezed by nearing the end i couldn't help but be moved. I identified so much with Lili and her feelings. I felt what she felt.... her emotions were my own. Her diary entries were an inspiration as much as they were enlightening to me. My emotions spilled over and out, even in guy mode, i struggled to hide them and wipe the tears away before they were noticed. I was messed up for two days sorting out my thoughts.
I love the way the book was written and the poignant and poetic ending just spoke volumes to me. If i ever i doubted the legitimacy of my being trans... the feelings that this book evoked within me could not be denied. It just reinforced my resolve and i believe wholeheartedly that every MtF should read this book. Such a small price to pay for such an inspiration.
I can only hope that my story will be as influential to other as Lili's!
Just this girls opinion!! xoxoxo -A
My wife just finished it. Of course she didn't have the emotional reaction to it that you did. She did find it interesting, though. I'll have to read it when I get through with what I'm reading now.
I thought The Film was Really good .. Very Emotional for me personally, and i could relate in so many ways, im just glad the help is there now and the straight Jackets have long gone! After reading some of the comments i think i need to read the book now tho .. I didnt realise she went for more operations including transplants! very Interesting.
Did anyone else find the movie quite worrying/harrowing/anxiety provoking?
I mean, I could see quite a lot of myself in Lili. Then she gets tortured by a psychiatrist, she gets beaten up, her marriage seems to breakdown, then she goes on to have very painful surgeries and dies. I'm not not sure she really found happiness along the way?
I kind of left feeling a bit downbeat and vaguely hoping the movie wasn't in some way predictive of my future.
Other than that, I thought the acting, sets, costumes etc were amazing. Would be good if a trans-woman could be cast for a similar role, but Eddie Redmayne does a good job.
The Danish Girl director Tom Hooper calls for equality for transgender actors, defends casting of Eddie Redmayne as Lili
Elbehttp://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-19/danish-girl-director-tom-hooper-calls-for-transgender-equality/7073640
Quote from: AmandaDanielle on January 15, 2016, 09:33:22 PM
OMG. I finished Lili, A portrait of the First Sex Change on a business flight to Louisville. I was stoic to say the least. It did not help knowing how the book ended but as chapters breezed by nearing the end i couldn't help but be moved. I identified so much with Lili and her feelings. I felt what she felt.... her emotions were my own. Her diary entries were an inspiration as much as they were enlightening to me. My emotions spilled over and out, even in guy mode, i struggled to hide them and wipe the tears away before they were noticed. I was messed up for two days sorting out my thoughts.
I love the way the book was written and the poignant and poetic ending just spoke volumes to me. If i ever i doubted the legitimacy of my being trans... the feelings that this book evoked within me could not be denied. It just reinforced my resolve and i believe wholeheartedly that every MtF should read this book. Such a small price to pay for such an inspiration.
I can only hope that my story will be as influential to other as Lili's!
Just this girls opinion!! xoxoxo -A
You convinced me to read it! Is this the same book as is being sold now on Amazon as "The Danish Girl"?
I watched the movie, and I was extremely moved by it... I spent about half of the time crying. The only reason I watched the movie is a desire to know what trans-ignorant people are seeing: this was an educational film to most people. In that, I was very disappointed.
First off, the factual inaccuracies regarding surgery. My mom is already freaked out about this, and if she watches the movie, her panicky tendency will go into overdrive (not, as I've told her many times, that I'm even remotely interested in surgery... but she isn't the only mom in this position). The movie portrays the relatively safe operation that dozens of surgeons perform every day as extremely risky... whereas the actual complication was organ rejection, which is still pretty risky.
Second, there were way too many trans tropes. While some may be historically accurate, there isn't just a single story to tell, and I really dislike how Lili was portrayed: my principal complaint is that the movie repeats the "oh, you're transgender, so you must be gay now" trope. Also, Gerda is almost unwaveringly supportive of Lili... Lili is supportive of Gerda's career in the first part of the movie, and then focuses entirely on herself and stops reciprocating that support altogether: once she discovers that she's transgender, there's no depth left to her character.
I went in expecting to hate it. Ended up not hating it, but it's definitely a movie for and by cis people. A few things struck close to home though, to its credit.
I very much disagree with productions making money off of trans stories which exclude trans people from high level positions of input. It's exploitation imo.
Quote from: DenaliBe on January 18, 2016, 08:32:28 PM
You convinced me to read it! Is this the same book as is being sold now on Amazon as "The Danish Girl"?
No,
The Danish Girl by David Ebershoff is the novel the movie is based on. What AmandaDanielle was reading is
Lili: A Portrait of the First Sex Change by Niels Hoyer which was put together in 1933 from Lili's journals and other writings plus I believe some things from people who knew them.
Quote from: BeverlyAnn on January 18, 2016, 11:40:36 PM
No, The Danish Girl by David Ebershoff is the novel the movie is based on. What AmandaDanielle was reading is Lili: A Portrait of the First Sex Change by Niels Hoyer which was put together in 1933 from Lili's journals and other writings plus I believe some things from people who knew them.
Thank you! So that would be this one: http://www.amazon.com/Lili-Portrait-First-Change-Woman-ebook/dp/B0196KQL6G
Apparently it is out of (paper) print but is available as an ebook through Kindle, is that right?
One of only 2 reviewers said it didn't download in readable format. But it's only $4 so I can give it a try.
Quote from: DenaliBe on January 19, 2016, 08:52:23 AM
Thank you! So that would be this one: http://www.amazon.com/Lili-Portrait-First-Change-Woman-ebook/dp/B0196KQL6G
Apparently it is out of (paper) print but is available as an ebook through Kindle, is that right?
One of only 2 reviewers said it didn't download in readable format. But it's only $4 so I can give it a try.
Yes, hun... I read it on my Kindle. You won't be disappointed!
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Was glad to see Alicia Vikander get the critics choice for best supporting actress. I really luvd the movie and the cinematography was really special. The downside for me was how the 1st guy was on Lily like Pepé Le Pew and I didn't find it believable. I enjoyed seeing Matthias Schoenaerts come into the picture lol but the movie asked me to believe that Matthias couldn't tell it was Einer when he was dressed as Lily. Could be many reasons why I didn't find it totally believable. Maybe it was a little rushed or maybe it was only a half hour ago I saw lily first decide to try on a dress. Maybe it didn't seem to me like they made enough time pass within the movie for Einer to develop Lily into a passable woman. The more believable parts scared me. From the doctor that wanted to lock her away, the shock treatment and the bravery and pain to go through the surgeries. Even after the movie I was mortified when I read on this threat that they put a uterus in her. Also opened a deeper window to see the courage that some of the girls go through on here. It also scared me on how far I will go.
Quote from: BunnyBee on January 18, 2016, 11:28:08 PM
I very much disagree with productions making money off of trans stories which exclude trans people from high level positions of input. It's exploitation imo.
i agree. it seems like hollywood is blackballing transgender actors. they are capitalizing on the titillating aspects of transgender life, cashing in on it for fat green while continuing to not see transgender people who are completely invisible to them and the movie going public. are they thinking that the straight movie going public are afraid that the transgender will rub off on them and they will stay away from their movies?
at any rate hollywood has a long history of this which has been documented by the LGBT community with respect to gay people.
when i grew up all i saw on movies and tv were images of stereotypically, and not very attractive, effeminate men (like paul lynde and liberace) or as psychokillers (anthony hopkins in psycho or the mass murderer in silence of the lambs. Pychokillers especially, were often portrayed as cross dressers). there is a good book about it titled The Celluloid Closet by vito russo.
Quote from: BirlPower on January 14, 2016, 03:18:29 PM
I've not seen it yet but hope to soon. Anything that raises awareness in a way that is mostly positive is surely a good thing and this film does seem to be getting mostly good things said about it. I'm looking forward to seeing it and hope my wife will get something from it.
At the risk of hijacking the thread, has anyone seen "Different for girls" starring Rupert Graves and Steven Mackintosh? I first saw this many years ago, before I'd figured any of this out and thought it was one of the loveliest films I've ever seen. Made in 1997. It's about a trans girls meeting an old school friend years after school and her transition is complete and how their friendship develops as they become friends again. Also has a beautiful performance from Mirriam Margolees as a minor but important character. It leaves me feeling great about the world every time I watch it. It can be had on <insert large internet retailer of that sort of stuff>. Couldn't recommend it highly enough.
Just checked the back of the DVD cover and apparently it won the best film award at the montreal world filn festival in 1996.
I am looking for english subtitles (file with suffix .srt) for "Different for girls". If someone can provide them, please contact me with a PM. Thanks a lot in advance.
I preordered The Danish Girl on Amazon the day after we saw the movie. I got an email from Amazon saying I should receive it on March 7th or 8th. Kind of ironic if I got it on the 8th of March, the day of my first appointment with an endo.
A great review, I think, of The Danish Girl by my local radio station.
Movie Squad: The Danish Girl (http://rtrfm.com.au/story/movie-squad-the-hateful-eight-and-the-danish-girl/) (starts at 11mins:45secs)
I saw it and I love it. I could see Einar having dysphoria. Gerda was great too. I got so emotional.
I loved that it was a toned down film, no displaying operation etc and focusing mostly on 2 people.
I see some people complain about things related to now and project them onto a film set over 80 years ago.
As for a trans and cis actor. I'm not happy with all the hysteria. Sure my les friend would like to see trans actors getting main roles so they won't be excluded but on the other hand I don't want to see trans actors put only into trans roles.
When a cis actor play trans, we get a supporter. If he/she treats a job seriously and do research they will be believeable. If fans of the actor will see they treat it nornally, maybe some fans attitude will change as well. I prefer to look at the bright side.
I just had to write a review on my blog. The most irritating thing for me related to the film are actually the reviews. :D A good review is hard to come for some kind of a reason. :/
https://forculturessake.wordpress.com/2016/02/01/the-danish-girl-review/#more-2129
I read your review. You might want to fix one of your last sentences.
"Definitely the film wasn't not dumbed down and not straight-washed."
Neither as bad as the hatchet jobs nor as good as the raves.
Having read about 49 articles on it in the last few months the story wasn't exactly a surprise.
My partner saw it with me and said she cried each time "Gerda" did. She found it truthful in those areas.
I'm not even MTF, but I could relate so much, and booyyy did I cry.
I must be the only one here who didn't enjoy the movie. It was a bit too close to home for me and it was painful to watch. I had a bit of a meltdown at the end with a "I don't want to be trans" moment. :(
Time to make another appointment with my therapist.
it was very nice and moving movie to watch. i watched it twice, once alone, and one time with my straight male friend. it was hard for him to "swallow" the film but it indeed gave him some thoughts about what i'm going through. it doesn't matter if you're MTF or FTM, you feel what the character is struggling and it only becomes so real, you feel her pain too.