can a 64 year old wear skirts and dresses just above the knees and do they need to wear slacks and black walking shoes with no heel elevation. I'm just curious because at this point I buy all my clothes at Target because of price and because the fit is perfect and I love the styles. I'm guessing the styles are for more 20 -30 year old's. I cant wear what a lot of woman my age wear because it's not right for me. I see a lot of woman my age and older have the same style I do , but I also see most younger woman also have the style I wear. So , What I'm asking is am I crossing the boundary of good taste especially when I add my favorite designer fishnets. Personally I don't care if I'm a fashion risk taker. I had on my psychedelic leggings the other day and a pretty blue and white print body shaped dress that comes just above the knees. I guess my brain is distorted from my Hippie days.
I think the term is like all such terms situational and fluid. The mean of dress also varies considerably from urban to rural and regionally.
I see older women wear very bold colors. Maybe not fishnets, but leggings, tights etc. I think sometimes an older transgender woman could be stereotyped for wearing certain styles more than a CIS woman of the same age, but both will attract attention with a bold style. To me fishnets sort of say - rockin new years eve party, or club wear but i do think they are great.
I too buy a fair amount of clothes from Target but i also get stuff from H&M which i think has an even younger vibe. Still, i would describe my style as "soccer mom". I wear jeans and wedges, jeans and sandals, jeans and boots in the summer. My tops are usually lands end, LL bean, or maybe on the "wild" side, some peasant top. When i wear skirts or dresses my legs are bare in the summer or in tights in the winter. I see women from 20s to 70s in my style.
I always strove to be "age appropriate" despite its ambiguousness, mainly because i was scared about reinforcing stereotypes of trans women but i think or worry about that less now. I just ended up liking the style that i chose. Like all style though it continues to be refined.
Age appropriate is also location and situation dependent.
For example, if I go to Walmart I see all the women wearing jeans or shorts, running shoes, sanders, or flip flops, and t-shirt or informal button shirt.
Wearing anything too far outside that norm would be very unusual except maybe Sunday after Church and even that is regional.
So just look and see what the majority of others are wearing.
Sapere Aude
I live across the street from a University and smack dab in the center of down town so everyone just about wears dresses. There is also a lot of leggings which I like.
I think people should wear fishnets more often. I get mine from Target . I just bpoght some with a really pretty design on them. They make my legs look pretty good. I have slightly swollen knees from my rheumatoid , but the fishnets help distract that.
Quote from: stephaniec on June 08, 2016, 11:11:07 AM
can a 64 year old wear skirts and dresses just above the knees and do they need to wear slacks and black walking shoes with no heel elevation. I'm just curious because at this point I buy all my clothes at Target because of price and because the fit is perfect and I love the styles. I'm guessing the styles are for more 20 -30 year old's. I cant wear what a lot of woman my age wear because it's not right for me. I see a lot of woman my age and older have the same style I do , but I also see most younger woman also have the style I wear. So , What I'm asking is am I crossing the boundary of good taste especially when I add my favorite designer fishnets. Personally I don't care if I'm a fashion risk taker. I had on my psychedelic leggings the other day and a pretty blue and white print body shaped dress that comes just above the knees. I guess my brain is distorted from my Hippie days.
I think it depends. If you've got great legs then certainly an above the knee skirt will look great. 64 is not old. My mother is 61 - she wears an inch or two above the knee and looks great, but she's quite a classic dresser, and her knees are good, her calves are slim but shaped, and the whole leg does taper down to very fine ankles.
I guess that old adage fits here - one thing only - legs OR cleavage. Not both.
If you love your fishnets, wear them with confidence, but if you want an open opinion, yes, they cross the bounds of taste - on anyone, cis or trans, young or old.
so, just as a benign generic question in reference only to the post topic is Dolly Parton age appropriate being that she's 70 years old.
I don't care about age. When they said Caitlyn was going to model for SI, I was all over it. She's fit and I want to check her out even though she's 65. To the rest of the world: If you're not fit, stay out of the spandex aisle! :laugh:
Hugs, Devlyn
that's why I like dresses that flare out , my tummy still too big, but I' working on it.
I'd like to get some pencil skirts , but my tummy is too big.
Quote from: stephaniec on June 08, 2016, 12:17:37 PM
so, just as a benign generic question in reference only to the post topic is Dolly Parton age appropriate being that she's 70 years old.
Dolly Parton is Dolly Parton appropriate, and that's about it.
If she worked in an office, no, it wouldn't work. But she doesn't. She's a performer - stage clothes are in a different category all together. That'd be like a regular guy going around dressed as Prince or Elvis in daily life - he'd be noticed. You probably couldn't go to a regular job dressed that way and be taken seriously - whether cis or trans.
Nothing is so much age appropriate as figure appropriate. If you have the figure, flaunt it. If not, please don't.
Quote from: stephaniec on June 08, 2016, 12:25:21 PM
I'd like to get some pencil skirts , but my tummy is too big.
Pencil skirts look great on most people. You can hide your tummy with a big top.
I had to go to an appointment dressed - I wore a black Versace blazer with the gold medusa head buttons (had it for years), an open black shirt from Zara, black Givenchy skinny jeans, rolled up above the ankles, that i got at a huge sale, and black Jimmy Choo shoes - https://dtpmhvbsmffsz.cloudfront.net/posts/2014/06/11/5398bf932d249047af3b097e/s_5398bf9a2d249047af3b0998.jpg - I love them, with a black leather Gucci bag that had been my mothers in the 70's.
Then just heavy on the eye make up - which I like, Guerlain foundation and blusher, clear standard vaseline on lips, Hermes Caleche perfume, and that's it. My hair is kind of a unisex blonded mop anyway.
I think that's pretty much what someone of my age would wear for appointments around town, and I'd wear it to work or to a bar after with no problem.
Stephanie consider TJ Maxx, Marshalls, Burlington coat factory. All three are about four blocks west of the red line's Roosevelt stop. (Chicago)
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I also do not agree that what you wear is figure dependent. Body acceptance means that larger people look great in tight stuff if that is what they choose to wear. I'm not plus size and i am still amazed at how much clothing is only available in the very low sizes. Entire lines are like that.
Fat bodies are beautiful, thin and everything in between. No matter what the gender expression or age.
I saw a lady out yesterday - she had to be size 20. Tight dress - rocking tall heels and she was probably 6'0+ with heels on. She looked confident and great.
Quote from: stephaniec on June 08, 2016, 11:43:27 AM
I think people should wear fishnets more often.
Despite being very leggy myself I will probably never wear fishnets. For some reason I just never like the look of them doesn't matter who is wearing them. But each to their own!
Quote from: stephaniec on June 08, 2016, 11:11:07 AM
What I'm asking is am I crossing the boundary of good taste especially when I add my favorite designer fishnets.
Umm... yes, 64 is too old for fishnets.
I hate fishnets they make me cringe for some reason. It conjures the preverbal "mutton dressed like lamb" quote for me as I work with a few 60+ women and they bitch a lot about women's fashion.
I see them wear this kind of thing a lot:
-knee length dresses that dip only slightly at the bust to give an inch of cleavage.
-layers of flowing tops with pants
-knee length flared skirts with dark tights/leggings or no lights.
Also things like these outfits look nice on older ladies as it is still fashionable and the women I work with all dress these sort of way.
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I think you should wear anything your little heart desires.... ;D
I have a cis woman friend who is about your age and she looks fine dressing the way she does. She doesn't believe in dressing according to one's age. She just dresses in the things she likes.
going to go out on a limb here...... wear what ever makes YOU happy !
Quote from: Ms Grace on June 08, 2016, 03:57:15 PM
Despite being very leggy myself I will probably never wear fishnets. For some reason I just never like the look of them doesn't matter who is wearing them. But each to their own!
I like maroon colored ones
I turn 65 in November I'll post on what I wear on my birthday.I have a nice white lace and Maroon fishnets ,looks pretty good , but that's me.,
I'm sitting in my favorite bar right now after watching Alice through the looking glass. I have on a blue dress with black opaque nylons that have pretty designs on them.
there are nice boutiques where I live , but their their largest size is one size short of mine. There is one though that's on the same block as my therapist that has really pretty dresses and it looks like they carry my size I keep walking past it , but I need to stop in.
Just saw on Facebook today "24 things woman over 30 should wear " it was 24 pictures of different woman and each was captioned with "whatever the f@&$ you want " [emoji3]
sounds like sound attitude.
I would also posit that age appropriate isn't appropriate for people whose medical (HRT) regimen makes them look younger than their actual age. APPARENT age appropriate, on the other hand.
I know lots of women that dress outside their age norm. It all depends on your style, girl!
Obviously, there are norms for age but there are also norms for cisgender expression and us girls have the fantastic privilege of getting to vary by our own tastes <3 <3 <3
I say dress in what you love. If you're not freaking out about passing, enjoy the simple things in life like soft fabric and sparkly anything lol...
If you're worried about passing then I get it. I'm trying to beat that. Maybe someone else here can help you with that but I'm trying to get past it... (29, mtf, TX, pre hrt but starting soon and I want to love me regardless of any situation). What counts is what's comfortable to you so... be you, honey!
We love you,
Katie
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my happiness is>>>>>>then what others think although it's nice when they agree that you beautiful I'm waiting for someone to mistake me for Greta Garbo's gand niece
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Lol, I refuse to dress age appropriate, I've still got my 20's to catch up on style wise :)
same here
<- I talk about age appropriate and i'm wearing jeggings, converse tennis shoes and bubble gum pink lipstick today.
;D
Heck, I'm almost always in converse kicks. I have red white and blue ones. However these are my new favorites: (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg39%2Fbabhdail%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2F2016-06%2FIMG_20160609_180419048.jpg&hash=7523256379c8521406ddfd8ff34e4f34ac602496) (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/babhdail/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/IMG_20160609_180419048.jpg.html)
I just bought them at Easy Spirit, and they are NOT too young for me! They're not!
they look nice
Quote from: stephaniec on June 08, 2016, 12:25:21 PM
I'd like to get some pencil skirts , but my tummy is too big.
I'll give you my trick but don't tell anyone: 4 inches wide elastic strips that I sew (machine or manual) in the back at exactly the right size. I have a few different colors (you can dye them) and you can even use them under a swimming suit, they tolerate water. They only last for a few months though, they get all stretchy but since they cost nothing...
Take care, Rose.
I believe age is how you feel, not an arbitrary measure of time imposed by someone I don't know who didn't even have the decency to consult me on this! To be honest with you, at the beginning of my transition (6 1/2 years ago, I was 51) I did wear the most unremarkable stuff I could find to try and blend in as best I could but I soon realized it was useless so now, bring on the flowery dresses, the bright colors, the hats, the scarves, etc, cause baby, it's party time! (but all in good taste, of course) Yes, I must admit that taking care of my appearance (clothing, hair dos, makeup, accessories, etc...) is the festive part of that beautiful adventure, I just love it. I believe that taking care of how you look is also taking care of how you see yourself, of how you feel and of who you are inside so age, what's that? And as far as I know, I've only got one life so their opinions...
Cheers, Rose.
Quote from: Michelle G on June 09, 2016, 03:49:26 PM
Lol, I refuse to dress age appropriate, I've still got my 20's to catch up on style wise :)
I get that totally, but then don't complain about the looks you get (I realise you haven't).
It's a strange old thing, totally understandable in this context. But 20 year olds don't look great (or rather they do in terms of skin, hair, figure, and they could clothing-wise too, but they tend not to) - when you see a really confident chic woman, she's usually not much less than 35. And not ashamed to look it.
And the style is generally applicable further up the decades too. A 60 year old could copy a 35 year old no problem, and look stylish - and young, and that just isn't the case with taking the wardrobe of a 20 year old, complete with the mistakes that 20 year olds make before they get into their stride.
With few exceptions, it's actually really ageing to wear very youth orientated clothes if you're mid 30's and above. Which is probably why most women don't do it, and the ones that do stand out a mile for the wrong reasons.
To flip it round, it looks equally ridiculous when you see a middle aged man in low rise jeans and brightly coloured trainers and a slogan t-shirt, and god forbid, a baseball cap. The odd one or two will have a great body and carry it off reasonably well - the rest look like men who never grew up. Women of their age aren't finding it attractive, and women of a younger age certainly aren't fooled.
Quote from: Roses and Songs on June 10, 2016, 09:32:57 AM
I believe age is how you feel, not an arbitrary measure of time imposed by someone I don't know who didn't even have the decency to consult me on this! To be honest with you, at the beginning of my transition (6 1/2 years ago, I was 51) I did wear the most unremarkable stuff I could find to try and blend in as best I could but I soon realized it was useless so now, bring on the flowery dresses, the bright colors, the hats, the scarves, etc, cause baby, it's party time! (but all in good taste, of course) Yes, I must admit that taking care of my appearance (clothing, hair dos, makeup, accessories, etc...) is the festive part of that beautiful adventure, I just love it. I believe that taking care of how you look is also taking care of how you see yourself, of how you feel and of who you are inside so age, what's that? And as far as I know, I've only got one life so their opinions...
Cheers, Rose.
That's exactly it Rose - you take care of your appearance. If the hair is good, the make up is excellent, the accessories aren't cheap, and your weight is in check, then you have much more scope to have at it in other areas.
Age yes - it is how you feel, and your attitude. It is also an arbitrary measure imposed by - not someone else - but simply by time. Wouldn't we all love to turn the clock back - on so many things, so many decisions! You can't. Forward is the only way, and time clocks up behind it.
I would not care if guys dress non age appropriate either, i just wish that they were a bit more fashion aware as a whole. They tend to get stuck in one mode of dress. This for work, this for not work.
I read somewhere that most men adopt their fashion style at 35 and stick with it to the end of their lives. My grandfather wore a fedora pretty much every day of his life. (but it looked pretty cute on him)
Quote from: RobynD on June 10, 2016, 11:03:28 AM
I would not care if guys dress non age appropriate either, i just wish that they were a bit more fashion aware as a whole. They tend to get stuck in one mode of dress. This for work, this for not work.
I read somewhere that most men adopt their fashion style at 35 and stick with it to the end of their lives. My grandfather wore a fedora pretty much every day of his life. (but it looked pretty cute on him)
Not age appropriate - that's misleading, but body and style appropriate can never be bad.
Quote from: alex82 on June 10, 2016, 10:43:20 AM
That's exactly it Rose - you take care of your appearance. If the hair is good, the make up is excellent, the accessories aren't cheap, and your weight is in check, then you have much more scope to have at it in other areas.
Age yes - it is how you feel, and your attitude. It is also an arbitrary measure imposed by - not someone else - but simply by time. Wouldn't we all love to turn the clock back - on so many things, so many decisions! You can't. Forward is the only way, and time clocks up behind it.
I must say that this is not a very pleasant reply Alex, tell me about you and I'll be interested but I don't need anyone to tell me about me, I already know that. Cheers, Rose.
Quote from: Roses and Songs on June 10, 2016, 11:26:59 AM
I must say that this is not a very pleasant reply Alex, tell me about you and I'll be interested but I don't need anyone to tell me about me, I already know that. Cheers, Rose.
I'm sorry you feel that way. I wasn't telling you about you. I'm sorry you feel it was unpleasant and aimed at you, when it was complementing you on what you'd said about yourself. You said you took good care of your appearance - I simply said great, good example. And time is time - unfortunately, sadly you can't fight a calendar or a clock.
Quote from: alex82 on June 10, 2016, 11:30:58 AM
I'm sorry you feel that way. I wasn't telling you about you. I'm sorry you feel it was unpleasant and aimed at you, when it was complementing you on what you'd said about yourself.
Ok, I might have said it wrong. So, what do you wear and why, and do you care about 'appropriate' or about what others might think of you, etc... I'd very much like to know what you think about all these things, that's what I meant.
Quote from: Roses and Songs on June 10, 2016, 11:39:12 AM
Ok, I might have said it wrong. So, what do you wear and why, and do you care about 'appropriate' or about what others might think of you, etc... I'd very much like to know what you think about all these things, that's what I meant.
Oh ok. No problem
What do I wear? In terms of 'age appropriateness' - I'm 33, just to put that in first.
Today I wore old white Converse high tops, slim grey TopShop jeans with a brown leather belt - the buckle of which is a gold Roman centurions head (I love it - I got it at a market in Rome), and a white shirt with the buttons undone to just above chest.
I had a meeting a few days ago, to which i wore a black Versace blazer (with the old style gold Medusa head buttons), a black shirt undone, black Givenchy skinny jeans (bought at a massive discount) - rolled above the ankle, and black matt leather Jimmy Choo stilettos - the 'Anouk' model. My mother gave me a bag she'd had before I was born - black leather shopper style, Gucci.
Good leather gets better. And not just with bags, with humans as well.
Both times I wore my mothers gold signet ring on the little finger of my left hand - as always, a gold watch - as always, and my grandmothers wedding and engagement rings - so a gold band, and a ring with three large diamonds. And small thick gold hoop earrings. With full eye make up, primer, foundation, blusher, and vaseline on lips.
I like slim jeans - if I was larger than a UK size 10 (which I think is a US 6 or 8.), I'd reconsider, or diet. I'm 5ft10, so the shoes take me above 6ft2 - and I kind of enjoy that. Do I care what people think? Yes, always have. Are there things I would love to wear but don't because I don't think it's appropriate? Yes, very short skirts. I'm not a teenager, so I can't do that whole micro-mini, opaque black tights, and doc-martins thing.
Nice, you seem to be a very classy woman, I kinda lean towards that too but also a little on the romantic peace and love 70's style (long skirts, loose tops, flowing long hair with flowers in them, patchouli, etc... ha ha). I'm 58 so I turned 18 in 1976 and I loved the way girls looked back then, the whole feeling of the era in fact, the music too (I'm a 70's classics singer) so I think I'm still a little stuck back there, style wise. So, the day's fashions do not really interest me and neither do pants, (I gave them all away, for good), I can now look like those beautiful girls I envied for 50 years, a little bit of this, a little bit of that taken from between 50 years ago and yesterday but rules are left out the door for me, I am different in more than one way, (!) and I'm proud of it so I like to show it off a little. I was starved of all femininity for 50 years, now let my thirst be quenched, for ever.
Take good care Alex, Rose.
Quote from: Roses and Songs on June 10, 2016, 12:20:46 PM
Nice, you seem to be a very classy woman, I kinda lean towards that too but also a little on the romantic peace and love 70's style (long skirts, loose tops, flowing long hair with flowers in them, patchouli, etc... ha ha). I'm 58 so I turned 18 in 1976 and I loved the way girls looked back then, the whole feeling of the era in fact, the music too (I'm a 70's classics singer) so I think I'm still a little stuck back there, style wise. So, the day's fashions do not really interest me and neither do pants, (I gave them all away, for good), I can now look like those beautiful girls I envied for 50 years, a little bit of this, a little bit of that taken from between 50 years ago and yesterday but rules are left out the door for me, I am different in more than one way, (!) and I'm proud of it so I like to show it off a little. I was starved of all femininity for 50 years, now let my thirst be quenched, for ever.
Take good care Alex, Rose.
Thanks.
Love that patchouli. Perfume is my thing. I switch a lot - I've collected for years, so currently I go between Hermes 'Caleche', Creed 'Millesime Imperial', Chanel No.5, Robert Piguet 'Visa', De Rosine 'Majalis' - that's what's on the dressing table. I have several more on the bathroom shelves waiting their turn/season change, including a couple of male ones that I just really like.
Exactly - enjoy yourself. That's a timeless style - and so many women from that generation still wear it and still look great, they've grown with it. That whole romantic thing looks wonderful with the long skirts and the patterns - and very forgiving too - no sharp lines to show you up. Love to you!
Quote from: RobynD on June 08, 2016, 11:23:44 AM
I would describe my style as "soccer mom". I wear jeans and wedges, jeans and sandals, jeans and boots in the summer. My tops are usually lands end, LL bean, or maybe on the "wild" side, some peasant top.
Same here with a touch of hippie/bohemian thrown in for good measure.
There are SO many variables to this question and I think very few absolutes. To me the bottom line is how much attention do you want to attract to yourself? The more skin you show or the more outlandish your outfit is the more attention you are going to get. Mini skirts, fishnets, cleavage, and stripper heels will get noticed whereas a casual or work related style probably will not be.
I'm 53 and i'm perfectly comfortable in skinny jeans, a nice top and some heels for being out and about or for work. For club nights the short skirt, fishnets, and low cut top come out. My girlfriend prefers conservative dresses, always, in any circumstance.
Wear what you want to - you've earned that right :)
I just can't help it , I'm a dress person. I'm wearing more leggings now since it's warm. In winter I'll wear skinny jeans.
Quote from: alex82 on June 10, 2016, 12:27:12 PM
Thanks.
Love that patchouli. Perfume is my thing. I switch a lot - I've collected for years, so currently I go between Hermes 'Caleche', Creed 'Millesime Imperial', Chanel No.5, Robert Piguet 'Visa', De Rosine 'Majalis' - that's what's on the dressing table. I have several more on the bathroom shelves waiting their turn/season change, including a couple of male ones that I just really like.
Exactly - enjoy yourself. That's a timeless style - and so many women from that generation still wear it and still look great, they've grown with it. That whole romantic thing looks wonderful with the long skirts and the patterns - and very forgiving too - no sharp lines to show you up. Love to you!
Oh, I love perfumes too but I don't know most of those you named, maybe I'm not knowledgeable enough or they're not available here in Canada, I don't know. I have a huge problem though, I use White Diamonds, Channel no5, Obsession, Ming Shu, some arab stuff my sister brought me back from Dubai and a few locals as well. During the long and cold winters I have a black turtle neck sweater that I really really love, I wear it all the time (see me coming?) so the damn thing is impregnated with a mix of all the perfumes I wear and it smells like heaven, seriously, I never encountered anything like that sooo, what do I do, try a mix of my own? Maybe but these things are quite expensive, I'm a bit scared of wasting some of those precious juices... Anyway, I have 5 or 6 months to think about it so we'll see. Peace, happiness and pretty smells. Rose.
I think you should wear whatever you like. Whatever floats your boat. Whatever people appreciate or despise.
I don't think that age appropriate fits anymore. I see older women wearing kids stuff and kids wearing... well whatever they wear.
Me? I wear simple things that I think work for me. I'm pretty conservative. I love to get dressed up and go out.. . but that hasn't happened for many years.
I guess a lot of it for me is the fact it took so damn long for me to be proper that I still have a lot of dresses to go through.
And anyway, what does appropriate mean: conform to a certain set of arbitrary rules set by concensus within a certain group or society. CONFORMITY? Ahhhh, save me!
Quote from: Roses and Songs on June 10, 2016, 01:50:02 PM
Oh, I love perfumes too but I don't know most of those you named, maybe I'm not knowledgeable enough or they're not available here in Canada, I don't know. I have a huge problem though, I use White Diamonds, Channel no5, Obsession, Ming Shu, some arab stuff my sister brought me back from Dubai and a few locals as well. During the long and cold winters I have a black turtle neck sweater that I really really love, I wear it all the time (see me coming?) so the damn thing is impregnated with a mix of all the perfumes I wear and it smells like heaven, seriously, I never encountered anything like that sooo, what do I do, try a mix of my own? Maybe but these things are quite expensive, I'm a bit scared of wasting some of those precious juices... Anyway, I have 5 or 6 months to think about it so we'll see. Peace, happiness and pretty smells. Rose.
I have that same thing! I love when you pull on a sweater or a scarf that you haven't worn in a while and get a hit of a mix of stuff. And I love black polo neck jumpers. You can't go wrong with one can you?
I really recommend Creed 'millesime imperial' - it's like being transported to heaven. Sometimes I just take the cap off and sniff.
Whenever I smell opium by ysl, I'm taken back to my childhood and can see my mother back in her thirties, getting done for a night out, spraying that all over the place, using those big flat combs to make her hair bigger and higher - it was the 80s.
Perfume is such an amazing thing with so much emotion packed into it.
It is very expensive to have your own made. But you're 58, so you'll have a brilliant excuse in two birthdays time to really splash out and say to friends 'that's what I want, don't buy me anything else'.
Quote from: Roses and Songs on June 10, 2016, 02:22:34 PM
And anyway, what does appropriate mean: conform to a certain set of arbitrary rules set by concensus within a certain group or society. CONFORMITY? Ahhhh, save me!
ditto
ALEX! All I could find in Montreal is Creed 'White Flowers', and it's 939$ CAN, about 450 pounds, you can't be serious, THAT is out of the question for me and/or any friends I would have when I reach 60 and anyway, I'm not sure I want people to know when I do, I'm a woman now and women don't have to tell their age (or they can lie about it I am told, hi hi) so... I think I'll think about it! Cheers friend, Rose.
Quote from: Roses and Songs on June 10, 2016, 03:21:59 PM
ALEX! All I could find in Montreal is Creed 'White Flowers', and it's 939$ CAN, about 450 pounds, you can't be serious, THAT is out of the question for me and/or any friends I would have when I reach 60 and anyway, I'm not sure I want people to know when I do, I'm a woman now and women don't have to tell their age (or they can lie about it I am told, hi hi) so... I think I'll think about it! Cheers friend, Rose.
I was serious yes.
Surely much better to say 'I'm *real age*' and people genuinely go 'No way', than 'I'm *false age*' and people go 'Yeah, I thought you were around that'.
Well, whatever makes you happy. I don't know many/any women who are coy about age, (the opposite if anything - it's a mark of how much life you've chalked up, and if you don't look it, so much the better - maybe Canada is different) but if you want to be - go for it and be happy.
Quote from: stephaniec on June 10, 2016, 01:47:38 PM
In winter I'll wear skinny jeans.
...and everyone on this board will applaud you. :-\
I'll be terse:
You made a thread before discussing how uncomfortable you were when all those people were staring at you, yet you insist on wearing clothes that are not suited for your age and body type (this is called HONESTY people, I'm not being a B).
You either live out your missing teenage girly years well into your 60's and get stared at, or you try to blend in better. You can't have it both ways, I'm sorry.
The one thing I do agree with everyone here is that, yes,
you can wear whatever you like. Just don't be surprised when you are stared at, okay?
Quote from: Ⓥ on June 10, 2016, 03:35:49 PM
...and everyone on this board will applaud you. :-\
I'll be terse:
You made a thread before discussing how uncomfortable you were when all those people were staring at you, yet you insist on wearing clothes that are not suited for your age and body type (this is called HONESTY people, I'm not being a B).
You either live out your missing teenage girly years well into your 60's and get stared at, or you try to blend in better. You can't have it both ways, I'm sorry.
The one thing I do agree with everyone here is that, yes, you can wear whatever you like. Just don't be surprised when you are stared at, okay?
No, you're not being a B at all.
Agreed. The same is true whenever you step outside of cultural norms. When i was young and identified as a feminine guy, my hair was long and colored deep auburn some of the time, purple much of the time for a few years. Radically colored hair while existing at that time, was far less common then it is today.
I still managed to work and socialize and i loved how it looked. I knew the economy of what i was doing though, and i got many many looks and comments of all sorts. Interestingly Mohawks were a lot more common that my color style back then and they seemed to draw fewer notices.
I like skinny jeans , but I prefer dresses.
I know you were serious, I just cannot afford that, it's out of reach for me. As for my age I wasn't serious at all, I was only playing the role of some precious capricious princess, only because I'm aloud now and because it's so much fun. I just don't care about a stack of years, I eat well, I feel and look fine, I am happy most of the time and I take good care of body and soul and of those who dare to get close, these are the things that matter to me. (PS, I don't know what coy means, I'm french first so...)
Take care, Rose.
Quote from: Roses and Songs on June 10, 2016, 03:52:12 PM
I know you were serious, I just cannot afford that, it's out of reach for me. As for my age I wasn't serious at all, I was only playing the role of some precious capricious princess, only because I'm aloud now and because it's so much fun. I just don't care about a stack of years, I eat well, I feel and look fine, I am happy most of the time and I take good care of body and soul and of those who dare to get close, these are the things that matter to me. (PS, I don't know what coy means, I'm french first so...)
Take care, Rose.
Well I'm not rolling around in money either - I'm about to start a postgrad, so I've moved out of London for it, and all the associated costs of that on top of transition. Just don't rule yourself out of stuff - you never know what could change.
coy
kɔɪ/
adjective
1.
(especially with reference to a woman) making a pretence of shyness or modesty which is intended to be alluring.
"she treated him to a coy smile of invitation"
synonyms: arch, simpering, coquettish, flirtatious, kittenish, skittish; More
2.
reluctant to give details about something regarded as sensitive.
"he is coy about his age"
Quote from: alex82 on June 10, 2016, 04:05:38 PM
Well I'm not rolling around in money either - I'm about to start a postgrad, so I've moved out of London for it, and all the associated costs of that on top of transition. Just don't rule yourself out of stuff - you never know what could change.
coy
kɔɪ/
adjective
1.
(especially with reference to a woman) making a pretence of shyness or modesty which is intended to be alluring.
"she treated him to a coy smile of invitation"
synonyms: arch, simpering, coquettish, flirtatious, kittenish, skittish; More
2.
reluctant to give details about something regarded as sensitive.
"he is coy about his age"
Of course you're right, it's not because it's not possible now that it will never be, who knows.
So that's what coy means, in the 60's most women were about their age and it was even considered impolite to ask them so that's where I took the example and since I saw it as a very feminine characteristic I love acting it but in reality I simply don't care, it's just fun to play precious.
So good luck with all your projects and talk to you soon. Rose.
Quote from: Ⓥ on June 10, 2016, 03:35:49 PM
The one thing I do agree with everyone here is that, yes, you can wear whatever you like. Just don't be surprised when you are stared at, okay?
This is kind of how I see it too.
I think that when I start HRT and publicly transition it will be less about getting seen and more about being a 36 year old woman that works everyday, has kids and wants to be treated like the latter instead of gawked at by people.
I want to be able to go to the shops with my small children and not cause a social problem for my kids or perpetuate the micro skirt, high heeled, fishnet wearing image we are labeled with in society. The aim is to instead demonstrate that I am a women who happens to be trans* not a fetish.
This likely sounds bad or rude to use these terms. Yet we are in some ways responsible for shattering that image and ensuring we are seen and taken as serious in society. Perhaps more to debunk than to conform.
Does this mean that I would not love to dress up one day to attend a function. Of course not but when it happens it will be with a lot of class rather than with ass.
I just want to blend in.
On the US west coast, there's practically a uniform for 50s-60s women. The top is typically a solid color tee, v-neck, or similar shirt. A more colorful blouse or light cover, unbuttoned, goes over that. Pants are culottes or ankle grazers, often skinny, black, white, or denim, and occasionally jeans. Shoes are some form of sneaker, often colorful.
When I dress like that, nobody even gives me a second look.
If I dress like my avatar, on the other hand, even though I like the look and find it flattering and comfortable, I do get noticed. And inspected. And we all know how that ends. It is fun to trigger the cognitive dissonance in someone eyeballing torsos and legs when they finally get to that face, though. >:-)
My opinion on fashion is based on Anton LaVey
.. Basically wear what makes you feel like you wear at your most attractive state. And that you do not have to be ugly if you do not want too because all women are capable of beauty. And that trans women make the best women of all because they put the most effort into their looks.
Read it from his nifty beauty book.
Anton LaVey wrote a beauty book? Boggle! All I recall seeing him in in the 70's was a black robe, bald head and beard. He never seemed the type to care about fashion.
I'm in my 50's 5' 10" tall 178 lbs I buy most my clothes in the Misses section they fit my body better. I tend to go for a more demure style I like fitted tops, A line blouses that flair at the hip and skirts that break just below the knee with solid colored hosiery.
I learned the hard way about cultural norms for clothing when I was in fifth grade. I had four older brothers and always had to wear hand me down shoes, I was shopping with my mom and she said I could have a new pair of shoes so I picked out these really cute red Converse high tops. I wore them to school the next day and I was chased around the schoolyard by about 20 kids calling me sissy boy I started to cry which made some of them start to get physical, school was hell for me after that. Boys did not wear red shoes in 1970 at least not where I lived.
the school bullies pick on me my whole grade school experience.
One of my "don't want to dress my age" outfits. It's not as short as it looks when I stand up
I've ran into town on hot summer days to run errands wearing this and didn't even get any second looks. Just another tall skinny California girl that blends in I guess.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi244.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg4%2FKR3259%2FMG%2FEC82D09E-1D3C-400D-AA79-B1B7FD20A364_zpsfzq3eyf9.jpg&hash=ddb76f3d138749c3d82b64be4ea6b0b6ab350d7d) (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/KR3259/media/MG/EC82D09E-1D3C-400D-AA79-B1B7FD20A364_zpsfzq3eyf9.jpg.html)
I sadly will need FFS as I am not what you would call attractive :(
I just hope starting HRT in a few months will help somewhat as I am not at the point of doing FFS for a long time yet.
Quote from: Sarah leah on June 11, 2016, 06:51:31 AM
I sadly will need FFS as I am not what you would call attractive :(
I just hope starting HRT in a few months will help somewhat as I am not at the point of doing FFS for a long time yet.
I think you look quite cute :)
ditto
This must have been 3 years ago, I was 55 then and sooo 'not appropriate' but you be the judges!
(https://thmhfa-sn3302.files.1drv.com/y3mwZOD4X8TcqdqSbg2F2pfcnfCtoXcFNuSaUXrON-PT2UkQABBpa6TUbn4UzyhlS-TbP7Ph8ndvKkEzXn2SbLluPbVBJCym5jaaSLhB4-Zg9kEb_VGvH_VMfizg9phmANa5IsLjwXM7YAYMGNS3eq9x4gbWJiy68ReCjSTAqrYE0c?width=350&height=263&cropmode=none)
well, it's not extremely low cut nor mini skirted
with a little trepidation I'll post this, I don't have a way to take a picture , but I have on a black lace dress that's like that , but the front top goes to my neck with flats sitting in front of a cafe across the street from a University with all the college student going home for summer.and I'm 45, ok maybe not 45
HA! I knew you weren't 45, I'd give you hummmm, 35 and I'm good at this so don't think you can fool me...
thanks
My pleasure Stephanie. T'was taken 5 minutes ago and it's still inappropriate for a 58 years old... I hope! (a bit dark, too bad)
(https://snmhfa-sn3302.files.1drv.com/y3m_KgnVNTax1DRamgEW5kUztovqf3eU8jTPSj4vAq45Htvamqd-ruWxWQAyhEN4UTv3Gq5VDCUDuDEMIzA_liSy7uQE5MdNJE8vZ1AdEoTtJbN23x_d_i5Bde7Ix5hlzY2jZCV_O149IoO1lNu4jbk5bx5p9jOBzHfbGo6Tbv7tl4?width=268&height=240&cropmode=none)
I guess I must be blind to whats appropriate , but I wear that stuff all the time, but my colors are usually single colors or stripes with a couple colors.
No, you are definitely correct Stephanie but I wanted so much to be improper that I invented my own paralel reality I guess... and now all my dreams are shattered and I don't know what to do with my life! (just kidding of course, and since I'm pretentious a bit I used (abused?) the occasion to post a couple pictures of me, ha ha)
Take care my dear, Rose.
I wish I would of spent a little more money for a proper computer so I could show my pictures
Quote from: stephaniec on June 11, 2016, 03:31:38 PM
I guess I must be blind to whats appropriate , but I wear that stuff all the time, but my colors are usually single colors or stripes with a couple colors.
I wear that stuff all the time too and in the small town where I live nobody pays too much attention but a few years ago I went to a couple meetings of the trans association in Montreal and when I got there everybody stared at me as if I was from another planet and I noticed they were all wearing jeans t-shirt so obviously they didn't like my dresses and I never went back. Consequently I developped a theory, I think they're afraid to be seen as drag queens if they wear feminine stuff and they will let you know if they think you're too colourful, I found that very strange. As it often happens, trouble may come from within, like a couple young girls in this forum wrote: ''You can wear what you want but don't complain if you get stared at.'' I already know that, I don't see why a 26 years old would feel the need to tell me that except if she meant that I should conform, strange again. Anyway, I've been doing my own thing for quite a while now and I don't plan a change of course anytime soon and I think you're doing the same so,
Bonsoir Stéphanie et à bientôt j'espère, Rose.
PS: I know a little about computers, if you need help...
If adults stare at me I could care less because I have a legal and moral right to be me. Kids drive me nuts because there is absolutey no clue as to why.
Quote from: Roses and Songs on June 11, 2016, 04:38:52 PM
I wear that stuff all the time too and in the small town where I live nobody pays too much attention but a few years ago I went to a couple meetings of the trans association in Montreal and when I got there everybody stared at me as if I was from another planet and I noticed they were all wearing jeans t-shirt so obviously they didn't like my dresses and I never went back. Consequently I developped a theory, I think they're afraid to be seen as drag queens if they wear feminine stuff and they will let you know if they think you're too colourful, I found that very strange. As it often happens, trouble may come from within, like a couple young girls in this forum wrote: ''You can wear what you want but don't complain if you get stared at.'' I already know that, I don't see why a 26 years old would feel the need to tell me that except if she meant that I should conform, strange again. Anyway, I've been doing my own thing for quite a while now and I don't plan a change of course anytime soon and I think you're doing the same so,
Bonsoir Stéphanie et à bientôt j'espère, Rose.
PS: I know a little about computers, if you need help...
I bought a Google thinking I was saving money, but it's just way too basic with no extras at all. It's quite frustrating , but I'll just have to buy a better computer, but it's still good for getting online and research.