Not entirely sure if this is a good place to post this question, but does anyone have any good tips on exercises for feminization? I was thinking of jogging a lot, and stretching. I'm also doing 15-minute daily breast massages.
I'd be interested to find out about this too.
I'm on a drive to try and 'rescue' my femininity.
I know a lot of celebrities like Kim Kardashian exercise wearing a waist trainer which helps get their curves, obviously there are other factors to achieve her body too lol..
I think i'm going to give that a go, but as i've never done it i can't vouch for it yet haha!
I use a combination of moderate intensity aerobics, and variations of plank poses to work on tightening core muscle for a better waist shape.
Stats, so far:
Weight: 140
Height: 5' 8"
Chest: 38". (Alas, little AAs on that...)
Waist: 28"
Hips: 36"
I also track every bite, for calories (protein, fat, carbs), sodium, and potassium intake. Helps with keeping my endocrinologist happy with the blood work. I use MyFitnessPal, the free version, for that.
Thank you for the tips, ladies :).
I've seen what jogging/working out can do with a waist trainer vs waist trainer vest. go with the vest if you can.
Just running and some stretching before and after it.
In summer, I tend to eat less as I have to expose my body more.
barbie~~
Quote from: Michelle_P on July 11, 2016, 05:14:56 PM
I use a combination of moderate intensity aerobics, and variations of plank poses to work on tightening core muscle for a better waist shape.
Stats, so far:
Weight: 140
Height: 5' 8"
Chest: 38". (Alas, little AAs on that...)
Waist: 28"
Hips: 36"
I also track every bite, for calories (protein, fat, carbs), sodium, and potassium intake. Helps with keeping my endocrinologist happy with the blood work. I use MyFitnessPal, the free version, for that.
I am really impressed with your waist measurement!
I would like to achieve that, but I'm not very up on exercise routines. What plank poses do you use?
My stats are:
Weight: 140
Height: 5' 6.5"
Chest: 33" (A-cup on top of that)
Waist: 31"
Hips: 38"
I have broad flat shoulders unfortunately, so when my weight goes much below 140, I start to look really gaunt, plus my Adam's Apple really starts to show then too :(
But I'd really like to trim my waist down a bit so I get some semblance of curves instead of being so "straight".
I broke my back in an accident so doing sit-ups and such are out of the question.
I had to wear a back brace for months after that, but then I swapped it for a waist cincher which really helped to give me support (and shape), but as soon as I took it off, my waist underneath just assumed it's usual girth, so I doubt a waist trainer would work for me.
Hence the questions about specific exercises.
I run for 30 min, 6 days a week. One day for rest. Without testosterone, we have less muscle mass, so we burn less calories while in a resting state. So doing cardio exercise on a regular basis is more important than ever.
I also do strength training 3-4 days a week. I do hip abductions, squats, and lunges to help tone my gluteus muscles (to get a bigger and firmer butt!). And I do twist crunches and leg lifts to strengthen my core. I also throw in a few dozen pushups to keep my upper body strong. Yes, pushups! They're great for women too! Since I don't have any more testosterone, I don't have to worry about bulking up. Doing pushups will help your arms look lean, removing that flabby fat in your upper arms that plague so many women. You'll also end up with a naturally better posture and the appearance of larger breasts. (I really don't think massaging breasts does anything btw)
I run in the morning, and on the days that I do strength training, I do it in the evening. That way my metabolism gets kick-started with the morning cardio. And my muscles have time to recover from the strength training while I sleep after working them out in the evening.
I'm 5' 7" and have gotten down to a very lean 125 lbs with this workout routine and healthy eating. Oh, and no equipment or gym membership either... running doesn't cost anything, and all of my strength exercises are done on a $20 yoga mat I bought at Wal-Mart. I use two 1-gallon milk jugs filled with water for my weights when I do my lunges.
@Emily, Wow! That sounds intensive!
All I do is go for a brisk walk for 1 hour every day.
I remember losing weight before and I got down to about 125lbs, and my work colleagues and family thought I was ill because I looked so thin. In fact a couple of women at work asked me if I had cancer because they thought I looked gaunt and emaciated.
My goal isn't really to lose weight though, I'm happy with being 140. I just want to be a bit more 'curvy', so I figure if I can trim my waist down a bit that might work...
omg i have to work out and lose weight before my srs... emily is right after srs no more testoterone and muscle mass will go down and it will be hard to lose weight,,, im 29 145 lbs now :( height is 5'6... im gonna try emily's work out...
Quote from: jujubes1986 on July 11, 2016, 09:38:34 PM
omg i have to work out and lose weight before my srs... emily is right after srs no more testoterone and muscle mass will go down and it will be hard to lose weight,,, im 29 145 lbs now :( height is 5'6... im gonna try emily's work out...
You're still quite young, so it should be a lot easier to lose weight once you put in the effort. It gets more difficult as you get older. :) I'm 39 yrs old, so if I can do it while 10 yrs older than you, you can most definitely do it too!
Oh, and here's a photo of me from a few weeks ago (I don't take pictures very often). You can see my upper arms in this photo, and see that I don't have any flabby fat there. That's due to doing pushups and strength training on my arms! A lot of women ignore upper body strength training, but it's actually really important if you want slender, toned arms.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimagizer.imageshack.us%2Fv2%2F1024x768q90%2F922%2FhFqrSr.jpg&hash=5f4aaf8b892e4341bc6594312d21720912d8291e)
Quote from: V on July 11, 2016, 07:01:34 PM
I would like to achieve that, but I'm not very up on exercise routines. What plank poses do you use?
I'm using an elliptical trainer at a moderate resistance level for 60 minutes, 5 times a week. (It shows a distance of around 5.3 miles and 470 calories burned when I'm done, for whatever that's worth.). I try to just push on the arm levers, not pull, as I've gotten some tendon problems from pulling in the past.
The planking exercises are something to try to get in several times a week:
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The side plank-up is performed by lying on the side of the body with the feet staggered for support and the forearm perpendicular to the torso. The hips are lifted so that the body forms a straight line; the body is then returned to the original position.
With the fly-up, the legs are held against the wall with the knees at a 90-degree angle. The legs are extended against the wall as the torso rolls forward as the hands touch the feet. The abs should be kept tight the entire time.
The side planks seem to do OK at keeping the waist under control.
I've got some back issues, and I am in my early 60s, so crunches, sit-ups, and other things that are rough on the back muscles and spinal column are off-limits for me.
Quote from: jujubes1986 on July 11, 2016, 09:38:34 PM
omg i have to work out and lose weight before my srs... emily is right after srs no more testoterone and muscle mass will go down and it will be hard to lose weight,,, im 29 145 lbs now :( height is 5'6... im gonna try emily's work out...
Nah! Don't fret so much. 145 is not overweight by any means. I recently lost 30lbs by simply watching and regulating what I eat, and doing a brisk 1 hour walk every day. I am 13 years post op and in my mid 40's.
By all means lose weight if you feel it's what you need to do, but it's entirely possible to do so after SRS and later in life too. I have
really poor motivation so if I can lose weight, others should easily be able to.
Quote from: Michelle_P on July 11, 2016, 10:40:44 PM
I'm using an elliptical trainer at a moderate resistance level for 60 minutes, 5 times a week. (It shows a distance of around 5.3 miles and 470 calories burned when I'm done, for whatever that's worth.). I try to just push on the arm levers, not pull, as I've gotten some tendon problems from pulling in the past.
The planking exercises are something to try to get in several times a week:The side planks seem to do OK at keeping the waist under control.
I've got some back issues, and I am in my early 60s, so crunches, sit-ups, and other things that are rough on the back muscles and spinal column are off-limits for me.
I won't be able to get one of those elliptical trainers, so hopefully my walking will suffice. Anyway, me and my other half both walk together, after work. We chat about the day and try to push each other to complete the walk.
I will definitely try those planking exercises though, thank you for the info.
My back is a disaster area so I must be careful what I do.
- EDIT - So I tried the normal planking exercise, and that wasn't too bad. I was surprised I could hold that for 40 sec. Then I tried the side planking ones, Oh My! They are TOUGH!
I managed just 10 up and down reps both sides. Now I am knackered! But strangely feel good too.
There's no way I can do the fly-up one though, my back won't allow that one.
In fact I now feel I can face going into work today, after all.
I will try and do these moves every day. The whole thing took less than 3 mins, so not difficult to fit it in.
Thanks again :)
I think it's hard to beat running or cycling as paths to being fit without bulking up. Swimming is great also and if you know how it can build core strength.
Having more upper body strength than is ideal for those, I've addressed strength training with a combination of 3-4 reps to failure, sets of 3-4 which will build strength with minimal muscle bulk and very high rep counts, 30+ at light weight for endurance.
Be very careful doing those high intensity reps, that's limit by definition and poor form can result in injuries.
p.s. also be sure to fully recover from strength workouts before doing more, pushing sore muscles builds muscle mass.
First few years of transition, I did a lot of yoga and zumba (1 hr each 2x/week) but after a while, I started doing regular fast walking cardio and extensive ab work. I never really felt like I got any muscle atrophy going.
More recently I've gone into full blown weight lifting mode, strength training all muscles (except pecks due to BA).
At this point, I'm trying to own my 'fit' body. I'm a fit girl and I work out 6 days a week. It's been that way for years and I've gotten used to people commenting on my 'guns' lol. My gfs are even jealous of my fitness so I can't complain too much. My muscles do match my 5'9 frame.
I count calories and try to eat a low carb, whole food diet.
The thing I will say is I do have somewhat of an hourglass shape (not as extreme as I'd like but 39"-32"-38")
Quote from: EmilyMK03 on July 11, 2016, 10:21:15 PM
You're still quite young, so it should be a lot easier to lose weight once you put in the effort. It gets more difficult as you get older. :) I'm 39 yrs old, so if I can do it while 10 yrs older than you, you can most definitely do it too!
Oh, and here's a photo of me from a few weeks ago (I don't take pictures very often). You can see my upper arms in this photo, and see that I don't have any flabby fat there. That's due to doing pushups and strength training on my arms! A lot of women ignore upper body strength training, but it's actually really important if you want slender, toned arms.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimagizer.imageshack.us%2Fv2%2F1024x768q90%2F922%2FhFqrSr.jpg&hash=5f4aaf8b892e4341bc6594312d21720912d8291e)
Thank you girl... but i will definetly try your work out regime at home... i just need a little motivation hahaha... i cant do push up because of my breast implants being under the muscle... im scared that it will pop...
Quote from: V on July 12, 2016, 05:17:45 AM
Nah! Don't fret so much. 145 is not overweight by any means. I recently lost 30lbs by simply watching and regulating what I eat, and doing a brisk 1 hour walk every day. I am 13 years post op and in my mid 40's.
By all means lose weight if you feel it's what you need to do, but it's entirely possible to do so after SRS and later in life too. I have really poor motivation so if I can lose weight, others should easily be able to.
thank you for the advice V...
OK, so in part due to reading and contributing to this thread, I've decided to try a daily workout in addition to my 1 hour brisk walk.
The routine I've come up with is as follows:
Some warmup stretches
Planking hold for 40 seconds
Side planking 10 reps each side
Attempt to do 10 press-ups
60 star jumps on the spot
After that little lot I'm completely knackered and my heart is racing, which I guess is a good thing.
Have done this for 3 days now and my muscles ache something terrible, so I'm only going to do this Monday Thru Friday, and have a break at the weekends. Hopefully give my poor body some time to recover.
I found the push-ups the most difficult by far, and I can't actually do them properly, I just lever myself up somehow. This is in stark contrast to 20 years ago before transitioning or hrt, when I could do push-ups easily, and actually do that thing where you clap your hands at the top of the push-up. HRT really takes away those muscles!
I will do this routine for a month and then measure my body again and compare it with what I posted earlier. My target is that 28" waist. Lets see how many months it takes...
Quote from: V on July 14, 2016, 07:42:08 AM
I found the push-ups the most difficult by far, and I can't actually do them properly, I just lever myself up somehow. This is in stark contrast to 20 years ago before transitioning or hrt, when I could do push-ups easily, and actually do that thing where you clap your hands at the top of the push-up. HRT really takes away those muscles!
If you can't do proper pushups yet, that's ok. You can start by doing them on your knees instead of on your toes, then eventually move up to the standard pushup form. Here's a short video of a woman demonstrating how to do pushups correctly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSZjbGUTsdIIt's not necessary to do a lot. In the notes for the YouTube video, Dominica writes:
"Push-ups are a great upper body and chest exercise for both men and women. They're my favorite exercise for women. Start by doing 3 sets of 10-15 reps 3x per week. Do them on your knees if you have to when you first start. After the first week increase to 4 sets then 5 sets. Push-ups are also great for your core, abs, triceps, and shoulders."
Quote from: EmilyMK03 on July 14, 2016, 09:24:16 AM
If you can't do proper pushups yet, that's ok. You can start by doing them on your knees instead of on your toes, then eventually move up to the standard pushup form. Here's a short video of a woman demonstrating how to do pushups correctly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSZjbGUTsdI
It's not necessary to do a lot. In the notes for the YouTube video, Dominica writes: "Push-ups are a great upper body and chest exercise for both men and women. They're my favorite exercise for women. Start by doing 3 sets of 10-15 reps 3x per week. Do them on your knees if you have to when you first start. After the first week increase to 4 sets then 5 sets. Push-ups are also great for your core, abs, triceps, and shoulders."
Thanks for posting that link. I watched the girl doing her push-ups (had to have the volume off so I didn't wake my sleeping boyfriend next to me), and reading your quote, a few things came to mind:
1) That lady is very attractive and has an amazing figure, that sure is an impossible goal to aim for.
2) She has the exact thing that I really want to avoid developing, namely quite muscular shoulders. I am keen to get rid of the flab at the tops of my arms, but not if it it means getting bulky shoulders.
3) I have been doing my push-ups wrong, as I've had my hands much closer together almost under my body. But it's even more difficult if I spread them further apart like she is doing.
4) Just doing partial push-ups like she showed might be the way to go for me initially.
5) "
Start by doing 3 sets of 10-15 reps 3x per week"!?! :o I can barely manage 5 push-ups in one day! 3 sets of 10 is like 30!!! I'm afraid that's completely impossible for me. I can do 5, then numbers 6 to 10 are just me levering myself up. But 30? Ha ha ha....No.
I'll do my best, but right now it hurts so much I almost couldn't reach up/back to undo my bra! :laugh: Yup, pretty pathetic lolz.
While I run outdoors, I sometimes see some new people who run fast, but I seldom see them running again.
Exercise is a long-term goal. More than 10 years. I have run outdoors during the past 13 years. Fortunately without any injury. I have seen some people who ran for 1 or 2 years, but stopped from leg or backbone injury. Slow running prevents this kind of injury, but novices run very fast to achieve their goal in a short time.
Procedures for any exercise should be simple enough to repeat everyday for several years.
My records of running since 2011 when I purchased a GPS-equipped smartphone.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8599/28285953626_cc300b5a58_b.jpg)
barbie~~
Yeah, I'm know to charge at things way too fast :D
Actually I have decided not to do any of these exercises until next week now, to give my body a chance to stop aching.
Maybe doing them daily is a bit too ambitious...
I got a proper tape measure to measure my body, and had to change my hips measurement from 38 to 37" :(
I was a bit ambitious with that measurement!
After a 3 day break, I started my routine again, and it was a little easier, which pleased me greatly.
Lets see if I can go the whole week this time.
Quote from: V on July 18, 2016, 05:27:14 AM
After a 3 day break, I started my routine again, and it was a little easier, which pleased me greatly.
Lets see if I can go the whole week this time.
That's great to hear!! Yea, when starting a new routine, it's a good idea to take it slow at first and very gradually work your way up. The important thing is not to give up in the long term and keep at it! :)
ive started eating somewhat healthy... lots of leafy green... chicken breast and only one cup of rice a day... and jogging
Right, last week (wk 2) I managed the whole week (Mon-Fri), so 5 sessions.
Then after a weekend break, I started again today. It was much easier this time! I can now do the 10 reps of side planking without too much issue. I've added in 10 side to side bends as a warm-up as well. I can now do 5 press-ups consecutively, although it's still a struggle to get to 10, but a big improvement from not being able to do any initially. My body does seem to be responding well to the exercise too. Also I've lost a couple of pounds too.
If things continue to improve as they are, I'll go from 10 to 12 reps from next week onwards.
My eventual target is 16 reps max of each exercise, except for the star jumps, where I can do 60 of them at the end easily. I don't really plan to hold the planking pose for more than 40 secs though, don't want to injure myself. I do wonder if it will help my figure become more feminine though...
Yaaaay! You're gonna get that trim waistline yet! Great job.
Quote from: Michelle_P on July 25, 2016, 03:31:36 PM
Yaaaay! You're gonna get that trim waistline yet! Great job.
Thanks Michelle :)
I have been a pro surfer, 3 Ironman World Championships, club champ golf, pro horse show hunter and jumpers . When I was a male I was just an over achiever to compensate for dysphoria.I am fortunate in that i have a slim physique, my measurements below are my cis male v post op.
Cis. Post
Height. 5ft 7ins. 5ft 6.5ins
Weight. 147 lbs. 129 lbs
Chest. 38 ins. 35.5ins
Shoe size. 6.5 (m) 8.5 (f)
I studies the differences between male and female body structure and muscle mass. T is the builder of bulky muscles, removing T will cause muscle to diminish and change shape to muscles with a lot less bulk. In fact you will have to exercise alot more to maintain quality female muscles and if we do we will have finer muscles.
Metabolism slows down. We get fat with alot less food. Our drug and alcohol tolerance greatly diminishes. To not gain weight we have to be constantly concious of what and how much we eat.
Like all gym activities we must shift from heavy weights to high reps with little or no weight. That way we avoid unwanted fat and bulkier muscles..this is important as cis males we have a strong muscular base.
Exercising specific area with high reps will result in the fat burn not exercising areas will allow fat build up. With that in mind and a knowledge of where fat build as a female allows you to design a program. For example ...women build up fat in their thigh, butt and lower abdomen. Men build up fat in the whole area below the sternum. Also in the love handles.
One quick exercise would be to lose the love handles and let the new waistline develop . So there are exercises. ..eg hula hoop.
Flexibility ...females tend to be more flexible than men so we need to work on that with Yoga or Pilates.
I workout 6 days a week. I do aboit 45 minutes of yoga and pilates and then work on a x trainer for 6 kilometers in 30 mins. I m working with another health and fitness professional to write a short workout book for TG ...both M to F and F to M.
We need as M to F to work out harder to maintain a fit body...exercise theory believes that Females have better endurance but this has in reality not been so. Remember as post op females on female hormones we can compete as a female in the Olympics and World Championships.
Quote from: warlockmaker on July 26, 2016, 07:38:20 AM
I have been a pro surfer, 3 Ironman World Championships, club champ golf, pro horse show hunter and jumpers . When I was a male I was just an over achiever to compensate for dysphoria.I am fortunate in that i have a slim physique, my measurements below are my cis male v post op.
Cis. Post
Height. 5ft 7ins. 5ft 6.5ins
Weight. 147 lbs. 129 lbs
Chest. 38 ins. 35.5ins
Shoe size. 6.5 (m) 8.5 (f)
I studies the differences between male and female body structure and muscle mass. T is the builder of bulky muscles, removing T will cause muscle to diminish and change shape to muscles with a lot less bulk. In fact you will have to exercise alot more to maintain quality female muscles and if we do we will have finer muscles.
Metabolism slows down. We get fat with alot less food. Our drug and alcohol tolerance greatly diminishes. To not gain weight we have to be constantly concious of what and how much we eat.
Like all gym activities we must shift from heavy weights to high reps with little or no weight. That way we avoid unwanted fat and bulkier muscles..this is important as cis males we have a strong muscular base.
Exercising specific area with high reps will result in the fat burn not exercising areas will allow fat build up. With that in mind and a knowledge of where fat build as a female allows you to design a program. For example ...women build up fat in their thigh, butt and lower abdomen. Men build up fat in the whole area below the sternum. Also in the love handles.
One quick exercise would be to lose the love handles and let the new waistline develop . So there are exercises. ..eg hula hoop.
Flexibility ...females tend to be more flexible than men so we need to work on that with Yoga or Pilates.
I workout 6 days a week. I do aboit 45 minutes of yoga and pilates and then work on a x trainer for 6 kilometers in 30 mins. I m working with another health and fitness professional to write a short workout book for TG ...both M to F and F to M.
We need as M to F to work out harder to maintain a fit body...exercise theory believes that Females have better endurance but this has in reality not been so. Remember as post op females on female hormones we can compete as a female in the Olympics and World Championships.
Thank you for this... I need to screen shot this... Need this after my surgery
Right, so I've been doing my little workout routine every weekday for about a month now, and I've gone from 10 reps of each to 11. And it's still difficult, but it's getting easier each time. Especially on Mondays after I've had the weekend to rest from it. So I tried out my tape measure, and my waist has gone from 31" down to 30"
YAY!
So it is actually doing something. I've also lost weight too, I'm now 135 pounds.
It's all thanks to this thread.
Lets see how I get on in a month's time...
Quote from: V on August 09, 2016, 08:04:57 AM
Right, so I've been doing my little workout routine every weekday for about a month now, and I've gone from 10 reps of each to 11. And it's still difficult, but it's getting easier each time. Especially on Mondays after I've had the weekend to rest from it. So I tried out my tape measure, and my waist has gone from 31" down to 30"
YAY!
So it is actually doing something. I've also lost weight too, I'm now 135 pounds.
It's all thanks to this thread.
Lets see how I get on in a month's time...
Yes. It's good news. It is surprising that you can see the effects immediately.
For me it takes a month and running a total of 200 km (125 miles) to decrease my weight from 68 kg (150 lbs) to 65 kg (143 lbs).
Anyway, go on!
barbie~~
That's great V!!! And such amazing results after just one month! You're going to look and feel even better as you keep going! :)
Quote from: barbie on August 09, 2016, 07:49:06 PM
Yes. It's good news. It is surprising that you can see the effects immediately.
For me it takes a month and running a total of 200 km (125 miles) to decrease my weight from 68 kg (150 lbs) to 65 kg (143 lbs).
Anyway, go on!
barbie~~
I am lucky in that my body has always responded quickly to changes in exercise and diet. The downside is that the beneficial effects disappear very quickly too. But if you are already fairly fit, you need to do a lot more to see a small improvement, whereas with me, I was very very unfit, and so any changes I make at the beginning will have some effect quickly, because I'm starting from a very low level. I'm sure the next inch loss will be much much harder to achieve.
But also with me, when I get depressed, I can lose a lot of weight very quickly because I just stop eating altogether. That's not good, but it does go some way to explaining my rapid weight loss at times.
Quote from: EmilyMK03 on August 10, 2016, 12:11:02 AM
That's great V!!! And such amazing results after just one month! You're going to look and feel even better as you keep going! :)
Thank you Emily, that's a pretty name by the way.
I must admit, it is a bit addictive, seeing results and then wanting more.
Quote from: V on August 10, 2016, 06:38:05 AM
But also with me, when I get depressed, I can lose a lot of weight very quickly because I just stop eating altogether. That's not good, but it does go some way to explaining my rapid weight loss at times.
Yes. Exercise is nice for overcoming depression. In my case, I tend to be depressed if I do not exercise for > 3 days. Exercise boosts both my mind and body.
barbie~~
Ok.. now I'm depressed.
5'8" 225lb, not fat, I can cut to 200, but muscle striations show. I hide it well with loose, xl shirts.
I really dug a hole for myself trying to fit in; even though I may be the only one I ever fooled.
doooooomed.
ok, well maybe not doomed, but I have no idea how this will work out.
Things are going very well with my new exercise routine I must say.
I am now up to 12 reps of each exercise, and I steam through the whole routine with much less trouble and a faster recovery time afterwards. My body really seems to like it.
I'm now 134 pounds and waist is 29.5"
Target is 130 pounds and 28" waist.
I thought it would take me ages to increase my rep count, but at this rate, I'll be on 13 reps next week.
My target is 15 reps of each, and I honestly thought it would take months to get to that, not weeks.
:)
Wow! You are really getting results.
Now I've got to catch up. Oh, how embarrassing... ;D
Quote from: Michelle_P on August 16, 2016, 04:47:15 PM
Wow! You are really getting results.
Now I've got to catch up. Oh, how embarrassing... ;D
You and Emily are my inspiration.
You don't have to catch me up, it's your 28" waist measurement that is my ultimate goal.
Because my chest measurement is 33" underbust, my waist had virtually no definition when it was 31", hence my target of 28".
Although, I'm not sure exactly where to measure my chest size. Just under my shoulders (above my bust) it is 35", which I think is on the small size for a male skeleton. However, my shoulder width is 17", which gives me a broad shouldered look when teamed with the small chest. I shouldn't be bothered though I suppose, because it isn't something I can change.
My bust measurement is 38", and my hips are 36.5", so a target figure of 38-28-36.5 sounds acceptable no?
I'm not quite into yoga but do stretch, plank and walk. I sometimes do push-ups and sit-ups. Hugs Shannon
Maybe I'm less doomed than I thought, weigh-in was 208, and I'm not cutting. Noticed in the mirror that shoulder & lats looked much less imposing. Best though, waist is thinning, but hips, butt, and breast (haha, I typed breast instead of pecs! yeah me!) are not. So I lost a couple inches around my chest, bra-band spot, but the size difference/cupsize stayed the same.
Sounds like a "bad thing" I know, but everyone's been trying to get me to come back down to a reasonable weight, lean&fat for a while; size was very hard on my frame, and heart, bp, etc. Lean'ness made the lipids and sugars ok, but only because I could out-race the damage with exercise.
Quote from: V on August 16, 2016, 06:10:40 PM
You and Emily are my inspiration.
You don't have to catch me up, it's your 28" waist measurement that is my ultimate goal.
Well, I do now! Something went kablooey the past month. I've now been on an anti-androgen about 10 weeks, and on a lowest dose of Estrodiol for 5 weeks. Today's numbers:
Height: 5'8"
Weight: 141.4 lbs(up)
Under-bust: 35" (down, losing upper body muscle mass)
Bust: 37"
Waist: 30" (up. Up? UP!)
Hips: 36"
I don't have a thigh measurement, but my old 'male' DKNY jeans are getting snug. Really snug. ;D
I don't know what happened, but I'm cutting my daily calorie intake by 500 kcal, which should get me around a pound a week of weight loss. Ultimate target weight is 136 lbs. I'm pretty sure I'm seeing the shift in metabolic rate expected from HRT.
Now I have to go enjoy my delicious salad for lunch.
Since my decision to Transition in September last year I have been walking 5ks about 6 mornings a week. This has resulted in some weight loss but more importantly a reduction in the weight I carry all over my body with the last of it sitting on my gut.
My Dr told me last week I was not allowed to walk any more unless it was on a treadmill which I don't have. My hip joint is bone on bone with spurs and I have cysts in the socket along with having very little cartilage to hold it all together, my knee is slightly better but has a foreign body under the patella...maybe a bit of bone?
Not only was the exercise good for my body but great for my Dysphoria. But I can't do the walking thing and I still want to remove the gut...I am very limited when it comes to any kind of repetitive stomach bending due to having an implanted medication pump, same goes for above the head stretching...hence the walking.
I would gladly welcome any suggestions on how to exercise away that final piece in a low impact way. I am desperately trying to find a treadmill and friend has suggested he has one he will bring up for me...we will see.
Suggestions
Liz
I hate having exercise machines in my house, so I have a gym membership I use. They'll have a variety to choose from. If you are self conscious about the other folks there, I have never met a fit person in a gym that looks down on someone who is out of shape but sweating their hearts out on a treadmill. I prefer the bikes to the treadmills, but I do use both.
On a related note, HRT took a huge bite out of my endurance; I was expecting it, but its double-sucky when you have a way to empirically measure the loss. Still, I'm solidly in the calorie deficit zone daily, but with peaks of availability and valleys of interval fasting. Essentially enhancing the embalance between even/random energy release, and hormone directed energy storage. aka, I'm losing weight and my butts getting squishier!
Michelle_P: Yup! You're starting to experience what it's like to have a metabolism on HRT! I also found that at around 5 months on HRT, I started having ridiculous food/hunger cravings, especially at night. Cravings which I never had experienced in my life. Those cravings, combined with less muscle mass and a slower metabolism is making it extremely difficult to maintain my weight.
ElizabethK: I'm 5'7" and 125 lbs. I run for 30 min, 6 days a week. Additional strength training for 30 min 3-4 times a week. And I still have a gut! It's almost impossible to get rid of it. I have a cis female friend who is in her early 30's, weighs only 100 lbs, and even she has a bit of a belly. I think the only way to have a fully flat stomach is to go on a vegetarian or vegan diet. Or maybe remove all carbs from your diet. You have to do something extreme like that. Personally, I'm not willing to give up entire categories of foods. And sometimes I like to cheat and eat bad stuff (like the slice of cheesecake I had last night). So I'm resigned to having a bit of a belly in exchange for enjoying my food.
Thanks rwOnnaDesuKa and EmilyMK03
I don't much like the idea either of a treadmill. One of the things my Gyno keeps saying to me is its a about shape and not so much weight. I don't ever expect to get it completely flat. If you were to do a Pinch test on my skin anywhere but my stomach it would be lean. So i am looking to reduce size and completely removing food groups is not always the best way. Energy out V calories in...if you burn more than you take in surely you must lose weight? It confuses the hell out of me because doesn't it go something like... as we exercise we build and strengthen muscles which is heavier than fat...so you can exercise lose the fat and not the weight...in theory...IDK sigh!
What i have noticed is that after the last three months on hrt I have put on about 4kgs but my waist is about the same size, my hips and chest are both 5-6cm bigger than when I started HRT, my legs look better than they have in years so i think the distribution is starting. I would love to capitalise on this and see if I can't move some of this gut...
I do cheat..have always loved chocolate...I haven't had an appetite like I have now for many years...quitting smoking helped add another layer of complexity and it is something I will never do again.
Liz
Its inevitable that we like to "succeed"; and weight loss can be the most deceptive of the bunch; I once cut from 250lb down to below 180lb; and at one point was doing it solely for the positive reinforcement of the number going down. Up to 2lbs/wk at one point; which is massive, and usually very unhealthy.
After a trainer scolded me, I swapped what I measured as an indicator of success. Morning resting heart rate, and most importantly, how much your heart rate will drop from max in one minute's time when you stop exercising. Nice thing is that this number directly correlates to cardiac fitness. 40+ is considered the realm of the immortals.
On E out vs E in; it *IS* true; very true. But there's a hitch.
Your body can, and will, relentlessly modify the amount of water it holds. And to give you a scale, I've lost up to 10 pounds on a bike ride, while drinking over a gallon of water. Energy output of the ride was about 4000 kcal; which should mean I utilized a pound of fat on the ride, not 10 pounds, and certainly not 18 pounds. Next morning I was almost the same weight as before the ride. I can only guarantee that 1 pound of fat got burned. I can not guarantee how much water your body will gain or lose.
Perfect example of this, all the time, "diet plan" sellers hawk this lose 7 pounds in a week thing often. What they don't tell you, is that it's the 7 pounds of water bound in glycogen stored in your liver and muscles, and maybe a few ounces of fat. Water that can and will be recovered as those organs replace the glycogen that was used as soon as you start eating normal food. You didn't lose 7 pounds of fat, and you didn't gain 7 pounds of fat later.
My personal experience as a math geek, is that the only way I could come close to knowing ground truth, was to plot weight every day, taken at exactly the same time and condition; and then call the moving 7 day average my current weight. needless to say, that was VERY annoying.
Elizabeth; something that might work better than a treadmill would be an elliptical trainer. It seems to take the same effort (or more, if you crank up the resistance!) but doesn't pound the joints so hard. I was having knee problems and moved from a treadmill to elliptical about 8 years back. A well-made elliptical (bearings in the joints, and a magnetic, rather than friction brake that you work against) should last a very long time. If there's a gym nearby that you can get into on a day or week pass, you might be able to try one out and see how it feels.
And like rwOnnaDesuKa says, more data is better. I use a piece of software to log everything I eat and drink, my exercise, and weight. It's illuminating...
Quote from: EmilyMK03 on August 20, 2016, 06:31:31 PM
Michelle_P: Yup! You're starting to experience what it's like to have a metabolism on HRT! I also found that at around 5 months on HRT, I started having ridiculous food/hunger cravings, especially at night. Cravings which I never had experienced in my life. Those cravings, combined with less muscle mass and a slower metabolism is making it extremely difficult to maintain my weight.
ElizabethK: I'm 5'7" and 125 lbs. I run for 30 min, 6 days a week. Additional strength training for 30 min 3-4 times a week. And I still have a gut! It's almost impossible to get rid of it. I have a cis female friend who is in her early 30's, weighs only 100 lbs, and even she has a bit of a belly. I think the only way to have a fully flat stomach is to go on a vegetarian or vegan diet. Or maybe remove all carbs from your diet. You have to do something extreme like that. Personally, I'm not willing to give up entire categories of foods. And sometimes I like to cheat and eat bad stuff (like the slice of cheesecake I had last night). So I'm resigned to having a bit of a belly in exchange for enjoying my food.
Having been on hrt for the last 16 years, I'm having trouble remembering what my metabolism was like beforehand. Added to that, there is the component of age as well, as my metabolism is less because I'm older as well as the hrt regimen. It's hard to lose weight, but for me, it's more about trying to improve my fitness level and also get a better body shape. The weight loss comes as a side-effect (albeit a very welcome one).
The lower muscle mass is something I can definitely remember changing though, that is quite dramatic. Especially so when I realised I couldn't do press-ups like I used to.
Food cravings, ah yes! I have those, but I can't remember ever not having them. I've always liked chocolate and brightly coloured cocktail drinks. Back before I transitioned, my male friends used to laugh at my "feminine food and drink habits".
I do have a very strong willpower though, so I can shut off from the cravings if I really need to. And I find that abstinence breeds more abstinence, I eat less and hence want less to eat.
125 pounds is quite low! I'll never reach that level, but I'm not too worried because that's not my target.
Giving up all treats would not be nice, I like to have a bit of chocolate or some crisps now and then, I don't think that does me too much harm.
I just had my NHS health checkup, and everything was good, low cholesterol (for the first time ever in my life!!!) no diabetes, good bmi figure (not that I put too much emphasis on that stuff anyway), and bp was 84/110, which the nurse said was good, and she gave me less than 1% chance of developing heart problems or diabetes. So I am doing something right :)
I too have a bit of a belly, but I find that it's all about good posture. If I let my muscles relax and slouch, I get a belly. If I keep a good posture and 'deportment', my belly has all but vanished.
Quote from: Michelle_P on August 20, 2016, 03:31:11 PM
Well, I do now! Something went kablooey the past month. I've now been on an anti-androgen about 10 weeks, and on a lowest dose of Estrodiol for 5 weeks. Today's numbers:
Height: 5'8"
Weight: 141.4 lbs(up)
Under-bust: 35" (down, losing upper body muscle mass)
Bust: 37"
Waist: 30" (up. Up? UP!)
Hips: 36"
I don't have a thigh measurement, but my old 'male' DKNY jeans are getting snug. Really snug. ;D
I don't know what happened, but I'm cutting my daily calorie intake by 500 kcal, which should get me around a pound a week of weight loss. Ultimate target weight is 136 lbs. I'm pretty sure I'm seeing the shift in metabolic rate expected from HRT.
Now I have to go enjoy my delicious salad for lunch.
Yep, you're experiencing the 'hrt effect'. You'll get used to it and eventually forget about it as it will just be 'normal'. But after such a small amount of time on hrt, I can appreciate that it's all still 'new'. That's part of the fun of having a second puberty ;D
I measured my waist today, and as usual I get two different readings. If I slouch and completely relax, then it's 30", if I hold a good posture then it's 29". Note that I'm not "sucking it in", just standing straight and trying to keep a good body posture. But I don't know which figure is the true waist measurement?
Since doing my exercises, my hip measurement has gone down :( But what can you do? I don't have the benefit of an underlying bone structure to retain a wide hips size when I lose weight. It's just another thing I'll have to put up with as part of the 'trans experience'.
I too put on a lot of weight on my thighs on hrt. The problem came when my inner thighs began to rub together when I walked. It got extremely painful. I have noticed them slimming down a bit since starting my exercises, which is good for walking, but I don't want my legs to get too skinny. I know I'll never have "thigh gap" like cis-women can have, my legs are simply too close together, damn my pelvic bone!
You'll eventually see that on hrt it's ludicrously easy to put on weight, welcome to the world of women! :laugh:
Yep, salad, yum (not) but my body thanks me for it.
Quote from: rwOnnaDesuKa on August 20, 2016, 07:13:13 PM
Its inevitable that we like to "succeed"; and weight loss can be the most deceptive of the bunch; I once cut from 250lb down to below 180lb; and at one point was doing it solely for the positive reinforcement of the number going down. Up to 2lbs/wk at one point; which is massive, and usually very unhealthy.
After a trainer scolded me, I swapped what I measured as an indicator of success. Morning resting heart rate, and most importantly, how much your heart rate will drop from max in one minute's time when you stop exercising. Nice thing is that this number directly correlates to cardiac fitness. 40+ is considered the realm of the immortals.
On E out vs E in; it *IS* true; very true. But there's a hitch.
Your body can, and will, relentlessly modify the amount of water it holds. And to give you a scale, I've lost up to 10 pounds on a bike ride, while drinking over a gallon of water. Energy output of the ride was about 4000 kcal; which should mean I utilized a pound of fat on the ride, not 10 pounds, and certainly not 18 pounds. Next morning I was almost the same weight as before the ride. I can only guarantee that 1 pound of fat got burned. I can not guarantee how much water your body will gain or lose.
Perfect example of this, all the time, "diet plan" sellers hawk this lose 7 pounds in a week thing often. What they don't tell you, is that it's the 7 pounds of water bound in glycogen stored in your liver and muscles, and maybe a few ounces of fat. Water that can and will be recovered as those organs replace the glycogen that was used as soon as you start eating normal food. You didn't lose 7 pounds of fat, and you didn't gain 7 pounds of fat later.
My personal experience as a math geek, is that the only way I could come close to knowing ground truth, was to plot weight every day, taken at exactly the same time and condition; and then call the moving 7 day average my current weight. needless to say, that was VERY annoying.
It is possible to over analyse things ;)
Personally I don't believe in any kind of fad diet, there's really only one true way to lose weight, and that's to eat less and excerise more.
I'm trying not to obsess over 'the numbers' if I can help it, but tracking one's progress is very addictive!
I have decided to add in a few more exercise types into my little routine, rather than simply up the rep count. I've noticed that as long as I work a different muscle group for each type of exercise, I can keep going for the whole routine without overdoing any one area.
I tried out the new routine on Thurs and Fri, and it seems to be feasible.
If anyone is interested, my routine is now:
(12 reps of each unless stated otherwise):
Side to side warmup stretches
Planking hold 30 sec
Left side planking reps
Left side leg lifts inner and outer reps
Right side planking reps
Right side leg lifts inner and outer reps
Squat-thrust reps
Press-up reps
Half sit-up reps
Right leg lunges reps
Left leg lunges reps
60 star jumps
Let's see if I can maintain that little lot over the next 5 days!
Onwards...
Things are going really well with the exercise routine. I've gone up to 13 reps of each exercise, and done that for the last week and a half. My back does ache a fair bit, but then I knew it would because I broke it and it'll always hurt. So I just push through that pain. At least I get a break from it over the weekends.
My latest measurement and weight was backed up by having my weight checked at the doctor's yesterday, when I went in for my annual Asthma checkup.
Weight now 132 pounds!!! That's a bit lower than I expected, and it's the same again today, so not a fluke. I'm just 2 pounds from my target.
Waist is now an easy 29", and if I hold a straight posture, it drops to 28.5", but I'll take it as 29". Never ever thought I'd reach that number. I'm so close to my 28" goal.
The only downside to all this is that my hips have got slimmer too, down from 37" to 36" :( I guess you can't have it all.
My original hope was to get down to my goals of 130 pounds and 28" waist by 2018 (yeah, I know, I always give myself plenty of time) because I might be getting married that year, if my boyfriend finally agrees.
So it looks like I'm going to reach my goals somewhat before 2018, if so, then the challenge will be to keep that weight, and try not to lose any more, or gain any...
We'll see.
My thanks to everyone on here who wrote words of support, you all helped me a lot!
Quote from: V on September 08, 2016, 04:30:10 PM
Things are going really well with the exercise routine. I've gone up to 13 reps of each exercise, and done that for the last week and a half. My back does ache a fair bit, but then I knew it would because I broke it and it'll always hurt. So I just push through that pain. At least I get a break from it over the weekends.
My latest measurement and weight was backed up by having my weight checked at the doctor's yesterday, when I went in for my annual Asthma checkup.
Weight now 132 pounds!!! That's a bit lower than I expected, and it's the same again today, so not a fluke. I'm just 2 pounds from my target.
Waist is now an easy 29", and if I hold a straight posture, it drops to 28.5", but I'll take it as 29". Never ever thought I'd reach that number. I'm so close to my 28" goal.
The only downside to all this is that my hips have got slimmer too, down from 37" to 36" :( I guess you can't have it all.
My original hope was to get down to my goals of 130 pounds and 28" waist by 2018 (yeah, I know, I always give myself plenty of time) because I might be getting married that year, if my boyfriend finally agrees.
So it looks like I'm going to reach my goals somewhat before 2018, if so, then the challenge will be to keep that weight, and try not to lose any more, or gain any...
We'll see.
My thanks to everyone on here who wrote words of support, you all helped me a lot!
Yes. Keep going on. A long-term goal is more important.
BTW, I stopped running for 5 days because of the bad air quality here (dust from China). I wish to see a clear sky this weekend.
barbie~~
i really have to start working out... im 7 days away from my SRS with Dr Brassard!
A few months ago I got my body fat down low enough that I had a six pack and my bones were poking through my skin. Still my waist was 32". I don't think there is anything I can do short of becoming anorexic to get it smaller than that.
So I quit worrying about it.
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Quote from: Deborah on October 05, 2016, 09:13:15 AM
A few months ago I got my body fat down low enough that I had a six pack and my bones were poking through my skin. Still my waist was 32". I don't think there is anything I can do short of becoming anorexic to get it smaller than that.
So I quit worrying about it.
Y'know, there's a lot of sense in this. I've reached my weight loss goal of 130 pounds, (actually I undershot it and got down to 128, but it's back to 130 now), and my waist measurement is 29.5" when I completely relax my torso muscles. When I hold myself in a good posture, and stand properly, my waist is 28.5"
I can see my ribs and bones, and I really think that if I lose more weight, I'll just end up underweight, and have no shape at all, and all to try to get a 28" waist.
So I think I'm gonna concentrate on staying where I am now, and stick to my exercise routine mainly to keep myself as healthy as I can reasonably be.
A 28" waist is just an unreasonable goal, and I'm happy where I am now.
So the moral of all this is? Weight loss is possible, even post-op, with a spinal disability and low mobility. But getting that dream body shape? Well I couldn't achieve it, and I don't want to resort to surgery. My skeletal structure is what it is, and I just gotta accept it. So 38 - 28.5 - 36 is what it's gonna be!
Quote from: V on October 05, 2016, 10:45:22 AM
Y'know, there's a lot of sense in this. I've reached my weight loss goal of 130 pounds, (actually I undershot it and got down to 128, but it's back to 130 now), and my waist measurement is 29.5" when I completely relax my torso muscles. When I hold myself in a good posture, and stand properly, my waist is 28.5"
I can see my ribs and bones, and I really think that if I lose more weight, I'll just end up underweight, and have no shape at all, and all to try to get a 28" waist.
So I think I'm gonna concentrate on staying where I am now, and stick to my exercise routine mainly to keep myself as healthy as I can reasonably be.
A 28" waist is just an unreasonable goal, and I'm happy where I am now.
So the moral of all this is? Weight loss is possible, even post-op, with a spinal disability and low mobility. But getting that dream body shape? Well I couldn't achieve it, and I don't want to resort to surgery. My skeletal structure is what it is, and I just gotta accept it. So 38 - 28.5 - 36 is what it's gonna be!
Yes. I guess your body figure is now healthy. Keeping it in the long term is more important!
barbie~~
Look at it this way. There are a LOT of ciswomen who would dearly love to have a waist of 30" or less.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/body-measurements.htm
Measured average height, weight, and waist circumference for adults ages 20 years and over
Women:
Height (inches): 63.8
Weight (pounds): 166.2
Waist circumference (inches): 37.5
The 30" waist is in the 10th percentile for women over 50, and the 5th percentile for women over 60. Yes, our waists are smaller than the vast majority of US women our age already.
Barbie, V, Deborah, and I all likely have Body Mass Indices in the 5th percentile (95% are higher). Lots of data here:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_11/sr11_252.pdf
Well, that made me feel better. Even after gaining 25 lbs my waist size is less than the 50th percentile for women my age or less than the 15th percentile for men my age.
I still feel big though, :-(
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Quote from: Michelle_P on October 06, 2016, 08:59:04 PM
Look at it this way. There are a LOT of ciswomen who would dearly love to have a waist of 30" or less.
Interesting.
Here in my country, the average height and waist size of females at their 20s sampled in 2004 are as follows:
Height: 159.7 cm = 62.9 inch
Weight: 52.9 kg = 117 lbs
Waist: 67.3 cm = 26.5 inch
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimgnews.naver.com%2Fimage%2F081%2F2004%2F12%2F01%2FSSI_20041201084629.jpg&hash=d787a62edcf92beb0e8c36d132e11ab3d47b2a27)
The average waist of females starts to exceed 30 inch at their 50s.
barbie~~
Quote from: Michelle_P on October 06, 2016, 08:59:04 PM
Look at it this way. There are a LOT of ciswomen who would dearly love to have a waist of 30" or less.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/body-measurements.htm
Measured average height, weight, and waist circumference for adults ages 20 years and over
Women:
Height (inches): 63.8
Weight (pounds): 166.2
Waist circumference (inches): 37.5
The 30" waist is in the 10th percentile for women over 50, and the 5th percentile for women over 60. Yes, our waists are smaller than the vast majority of US women our age already.
Barbie, V, Deborah, and I all likely have Body Mass Indices in the 5th percentile (95% are higher). Lots of data here:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_11/sr11_252.pdf
Average is 5' 4" and 166? :o Jesus, I'm going back on the doughnuts! >:-)
Barbie, in my land, we believe in supersizing everything. Lunch, dinner, people...
It can actually be hard to find a good lunch meal that's under 1000 kilocalories. I normally cook all my meals from scratch and track everything, which made it pretty easy to lose weight. If I dined out once a day, my other meals would likely consist of a cup of tea. I've noticed while traveling that meals are much more reasonable in many other lands, where there is less attention to quantity and more to quality in everyday meals.
Oh! I hit my goal weight today! I'm celebrating with a small spinach pizza, chop salad, and green tea. Yum! (Really. I think it's a delicious splurge. :) )
Quote from: Michelle_P on October 07, 2016, 08:14:21 PM
Barbie, in my land, we believe in supersizing everything. Lunch, dinner, people...
Obesity among kids and teens already became a very serious health problem here in my country. Remember that the sample survey was taken 12 years ago. It has changed dramatically. I can say that the children obesity here is more serious than in the U.S. Every year I have to greet new students at my university, and I can say that I am slimmer than all of female students in the class, and the age difference between me and them is > 30 years.
Also, they become taller and taller. Lack of exercise, car-dependent life style and all kinds of processed food are the major drivers, IMHO.
barbie~~
Besides a few basic daily exercises, my main exercise tends to be long walks around my community. I work from home, but try to take at least a 4-5 mile walk every day or two. Walking through a busy middle American metropolis like this makes it very clear why so many Americans are obese with health problems. I frequently walk past traffic jams of hundreds of automobiles, but rarely meet even one other pedestrian on the sidewalk. I think the simplest fitness routine anyone can start doing is to just start replacing some of your auto trips with walking excursions. I often take my tote bag on my walk and stock up on a few grocery or drug store items. I walk to the public library. I walk to go and vote. How many driving trips could you replace with a healthy walk?
I started just over 12 months ago walking my dog, and have built to 5km's per day. Have had a couple of setbacks with knee problems just lately but looks like all that is behind me. I am back up to about 4ks in the morning. I had to take a break for about 5 weeks and that was long enough to loose condition. Trying to build back up to the 5k walks in the morning and want to extend further to 5ks morning and Night.
I really want to move my pudgy belly but I guess sit-ups and the like, are the only way to do this...or is one particular exercise better for attacking that area of your body?
Liz
Quote from: ElizabethK on October 09, 2016, 05:14:49 PM
I really want to move my pudgy belly but I guess sit-ups and the like, are the only way to do this...or is one particular exercise better for attacking that area of your body?
First you have to lose the fat in your belly, THEN you can do sit-ups to tone the muscle that will appear underneath.
There is no exercise that will "target fat" in one particular area of your body. You can do exercises that target specific muscles, but not specific fat. BTW, targeting a specific muscle group will not magically make the fat above it disappear. :)
So the first priority is to lose weight and lower your overall body fat percentage. You do this mostly with healthy eating: counting calories is the most important. Also try to reduce the amount of sugars and saturated fat in your diet to below the daily recommended values.
Once you start counting calories, you'll quickly realize that it's impossible to stay below the 1500-2000 daily calorie limit unless you start changing your diet. That generally means no mode soda, no more baked goods (goodbye cookies, cakes, and pies forever), and of course no more fast food. The hardest part for me was giving up ice cream, because I absolutely LOVE ice cream, but I gave that up as well. I don't eat any of those foods anymore.
Exercising is good too, because cardio activities like walking and running will burn more calories (which allows you to eat more). And cardio workouts promote a healthier heart. And the heart is a muscle! Speaking of muscle... it's good to do strength training exercises, because you want to build up and maintain your muscles. Having stronger muscles will allow you to burn more calories even when you're at rest. And when you eventually lose the fat, your toned muscles will be visible, which is great. Since you're on HRT, you don't have to worry about "bulking up" from strength training - instead you'll look lean and fit. Keep in mind that strength training also includes yoga and pilates. So if you'd rather do those workouts, that's fine too.
To summarize - there is only one way to get rid of a pudgy belly, and that is with a lower calorie, healthier diet. Do not fall for those "ab exercise" gimmicks. They don't work. It's biologically impossible if you have fat covering your abs. Exercise can help you burn overall body fat, but again, it's all about the calories and how much and what you eat. Other than that, the only other option is surgery (liposuction, gastric bypass, stuff like that).
I just looked up a fitness calculator online, and it said that walking for 5 km burns around 250-300 calories, depending on your weight and speed.
I was at the grocery store the other day, and saw a bag of freshly baked chocolate chip cookies for sale. I was really tempted to buy it, since I haven't had cookies in forever. Each individual cookie was pretty small, maybe only 2 inches (5 cm) in diameter. You know what the nutrition label said? 120 calories for ONE small cookie. So I would need to walk 5 km (3 miles) just to make up for eating 2 small cookies? No way, not worth it... so I put the bag of cookies back down and didn't buy it. :)
You can burn a boatload of calories just walking with some running a few times a week. Break the exercise up so you walk a few times a day and it adds up. Start with what your fitness permits right now, do it daily, and soon you will find your exercise capacity growing quickly and 1000 calories a day is not too hard. Then you can still eat a reasonable amount and drop fat at the same time.
Thanks ladies for the advice
I have to admit after quitting smoking I discovered food was fun and I have always had a sweet tooth and a love affair with chocolate. What I found really depressing was just prior to my knee issues I was about 10 kg lighter and yes my overall size was lower and in fact apart my stomach was where it was sitting, I was not holding weight anywhere else. I was at this point 87 KG's with an approximate goal weight of 82kg. Still I had a belly. I know if I exercise and stop eating any rubbish because as you so quite rightly pointed out 2 small cookies is the same as a 3 mile walk...so not worth it.
The sweet stuff is out the door already and I intend to get up to 10ks a day, 5 in the am and 5 in the pm...I do not want to do all that work just to swallow it in mars bars LOL. I have had this belly since I was 18...it was very small then but I still had it. My Dr said exercise made about 10% difference when it came to weight and most of it came down to what you put in your mouth. This surprised me I would have thought exercise would have contributed more...but then I no nothing about the subject :)
My fitness is actually better than I thought and my knee and hip are now in alignment for the first time in 40 years so I am experiencing some "teething pains" while this all settles in again. Will be up to 5 Ks next week 5-6 days a week then the following one I will try and ramp things up even further. I would like to be at my goal weight of 82kg by May/June Next year when I want to be ready to go full time. Last Weight in had me with 15 Kgs to go in about 8 months which I think it is doable eating a sensible diet(as you have both suggested) and cutting out the rubbish.
Liz
Doctors say that exercise isn't important to weight loss but I have not found that to be true. For me it is very important with the one caveat that for it to work I have to record everything I eat. I find that the primary benefit to exercise, other than its health benefits, is that it both helps to moderate appetite and it allows me to eat normal meals without feeling like I am depriving myself. It also greatly helps to give me the motivation to skip most of the junk food and empty calories and with those gone it's pretty easy to eat quite a bit and still maintain a sizable calorie deficit.
Quote from: Deborah on October 10, 2016, 03:40:24 AM
Doctors say that exercise isn't important to weight loss but I have not found that to be true. For me it is very important with the one caveat that for it to work I have to record everything I eat. I find that the primary benefit to exercise, other than its health benefits, is that it both helps to moderate appetite and it allows me to eat normal meals without feeling like I am depriving myself. It also greatly helps to give me the motivation to skip most of the junk food and empty calories and with those gone it's pretty easy to eat quite a bit and still maintain a sizable calorie deficit.
Deborah
What you say makes sense to me, If I don't do all my walking then it is easier for me to "forget" the cost of the empty calories.
Liz
I wonder if trans folk become more health-conscious because we are more body-conscious?
I definitely don't need to lose any more weight. From now on I'm just concentrating on maintaining my weight and trying to improve my overall fitness through short workouts and plenty of walking.
I recently met up with some friends whom I' haven't seen for a few months. Plus the following day I went to a family get-together, my Dad's 70th birthday. On both occasions, almost EVERYONE commented that I'd lost a LOT of weight, and a few thought I was ill. They ALL said that I should not lose any more because I was looking (in their eyes) too thin and gaunt. So I think I'll stop where I am. Getting sick of all the comments, especially as they are mostly criticisms and not compliments.
Quote from: barbie on October 06, 2016, 07:45:14 PM
Yes. I guess your body figure is now healthy. Keeping it in the long term is more important!
barbie~~
Yes, that's the thing!
Quote from: Michelle_P on October 07, 2016, 08:14:21 PM
Oh! I hit my goal weight today! I'm celebrating with a small spinach pizza, chop salad, and green tea. Yum! (Really. I think it's a delicious splurge. :) )
Hey Michelle, congrats on hitting your target!
Feels good doesn't it... ;D
Quote from: EmilyMK03 on October 09, 2016, 06:14:25 PM
First you have to lose the fat in your belly, THEN you can do sit-ups to tone the muscle that will appear underneath.
There is no exercise that will "target fat" in one particular area of your body. You can do exercises that target specific muscles, but not specific fat. BTW, targeting a specific muscle group will not magically make the fat above it disappear. :)
So the first priority is to lose weight and lower your overall body fat percentage. You do this mostly with healthy eating: counting calories is the most important. Also try to reduce the amount of sugars and saturated fat in your diet to below the daily recommended values.
Once you start counting calories, you'll quickly realize that it's impossible to stay below the 1500-2000 daily calorie limit unless you start changing your diet. That generally means no mode soda, no more baked goods (goodbye cookies, cakes, and pies forever), and of course no more fast food. The hardest part for me was giving up ice cream, because I absolutely LOVE ice cream, but I gave that up as well. I don't eat any of those foods anymore.
Exercising is good too, because cardio activities like walking and running will burn more calories (which allows you to eat more). And cardio workouts promote a healthier heart. And the heart is a muscle! Speaking of muscle... it's good to do strength training exercises, because you want to build up and maintain your muscles. Having stronger muscles will allow you to burn more calories even when you're at rest. And when you eventually lose the fat, your toned muscles will be visible, which is great. Since you're on HRT, you don't have to worry about "bulking up" from strength training - instead you'll look lean and fit. Keep in mind that strength training also includes yoga and pilates. So if you'd rather do those workouts, that's fine too.
To summarize - there is only one way to get rid of a pudgy belly, and that is with a lower calorie, healthier diet. Do not fall for those "ab exercise" gimmicks. They don't work. It's biologically impossible if you have fat covering your abs. Exercise can help you burn overall body fat, but again, it's all about the calories and how much and what you eat. Other than that, the only other option is surgery (liposuction, gastric bypass, stuff like that).
There is a lot of sense in this post.
Quote from: Michelle_P on October 06, 2016, 08:59:04 PM
Look at it this way. There are a LOT of ciswomen who would dearly love to have a waist of 30" or less.
The 30" waist is in the 10th percentile for women over 50, and the 5th percentile for women over 60. Yes, our waists are smaller than the vast majority of US women our age already.
Barbie, V, Deborah, and I all likely have Body Mass Indices in the 5th percentile (95% are higher). Lots of data here:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_11/sr11_252.pdf
Does that mean if I see a slim-looking woman in the US, they're quite likely to be trans? (joke!)
;D
Quote from: Deborah on October 09, 2016, 06:53:58 PM
You can burn a boatload of calories just walking with some running a few times a week. Break the exercise up so you walk a few times a day and it adds up. Start with what your fitness permits right now, do it daily, and soon you will find your exercise capacity growing quickly and 1000 calories a day is not too hard. Then you can still eat a reasonable amount and drop fat at the same time.
1,000 calories a day through exercise is on the high side. When I was in racing shape for rowing when I was younger (and obviously pre HRT), I could burn close to 1,100 per hour at a sustainable pace. Now, after 3 months of HRT I'm down to 850-875 per hour.
I usually walk and run 2 hours a day broken up into several sessions. That also includes calories from just normal walking around. If I get to 20,000 steps, about 10 miles, that comes out to about 1000 calories. I'm tracking it all with my Apple Watch and have found it to be fairly accurate as long as I update my weight.
Calorie in itself does matter, but what you eat is also critical in diet. Avoid processed food, especially those products containing trans fat, because our body does not know how to digest, process and excrete it.
Diet without exercise can cause malnutrition, deteriorating your immunity and overall health in the long term.
Eat wisely and exercise regularly.
barbie~~
Quote from: RedheadWhovian on July 11, 2016, 02:17:02 PM
exercises for feminization?
i have read yoga lengthens the muscles and i would assume make them slimmer.
p.s. congrats on your up and coming 1 year, and love your devianart gallery very pretty.
Muscle length is dependent on its connection points into the bones so it physically cannot get longer once you are done growing.
Yoga is a very good exercise though for other reasons.
It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.
André Gide, Autumn Leaves
Quote from: Deborah on November 23, 2016, 08:47:34 AM
Muscle length is dependent on its connection points
i realize this but i have gotten reading about yoga i think if it makes sense is. no muscle building exercise + yoga appears to me to have the result of slinderizing (best word i can think of lol)
there are articles out there exactly what you are saying telling people that what i am saying is a myth, but they are targeting people who have been living in a "female" body their entire life.
Maybe what's happening is that some who have been previously inactive are losing fat off their limbs making them appear more slender?
It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.
André Gide, Autumn Leaves
have no idea it is just something i have been looking into. personally i want to stay away from any activity the increases muscle mass. it would seem to me though that inactivity would increase fat not reduce it. unless of course one starves one self.
Quote from: Lily Rose on November 23, 2016, 10:39:36 AM
have no idea it is just something i have been looking into. personally i want to stay away from any activity the increases muscle mass. it would seem to me though that inactivity would increase fat not reduce it. unless of course one starves one self.
Aerobic exercises including jogging and cycling do not increase muscle mass. I have run regularly during the past 14 years without any noticeable increase in muscle mass.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8478/29299183355_666dd46541_b.jpg)
I would recommend running for everyone with a caveat of slow pace, preventing injuries.
barbie~~
If you want to use exercise to get a more feminine form, focus more on glutes and legs, with minimal upper body work. Running helps, too. :)
Is anyone here taller than 6 ft? If yes, what is your weight?
I am 6ft 1 inch tall and I am 240 pounds. [emoji27] [emoji29]
I'm 188cm and currently 92 kg (lost already 13kg) and working on dropping another 8 kg.
In the next couple of months
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6'2", 170lbs
(187cm, 77kg)
Quote from: Thessa on February 24, 2017, 09:41:26 AM
I'm jealous! ;)
Quote from: Saira128 on February 24, 2017, 09:52:34 AM
Me too!
Don't get jealous. Get even!
I was well over 200 lbs, and at 5'8" that made me a short, round secret cross-dresser. :P Nothing nice fit. I was miserable. Worse, age and health were catching up with me. That's why I did something about it. I started exercise. I started tracking what I ate. Slowly, over several years, I lost the bulk, and started to look and feel better. I finally hit my goal weight last year, about when I started HRT, and I've managed to hold the line.
It's not easy with all the fast, cheap, high calorie stuff around, but I feel so much better now, and getting to a reasonable size was a huge (ahem...) part of it.
It's worth a try. With better health we can have a better life.
Quote from: Michelle_P on February 24, 2017, 10:14:34 AM
Don't get jealous. Get even!
I was well over 200 lbs, and at 5'8" that made me a short, round secret cross-dresser. [emoji14] Nothing nice fit. I was miserable. Worse, age and health were catching up with me. That's why I did something about it. I started exercise. I started tracking what I ate. Slowly, over several years, I lost the bulk, and started to look and feel better. I finally hit my goal weight last year, about when I started HRT, and I've managed to hold the line.
It's not easy with all the fast, cheap, high calorie stuff around, but I feel so much better now, and getting to a reasonable size was a huge (ahem...) part of it.
It's worth a try. With better health we can have a better life.
I don't need to get even, I only need to get happy with my weight and myself.
It's already much better than before... :)
I lost quit some weight over the last years and I'm still working on loosing some more. The food got better and healthier after my wife left or as she phrases it, after I kicked her out.
My daughter is also happy (most of the time) with my cooking skills, but not so much with the multitude of veggies. ;)
Ahhhhhh The exuberance of the youthful. I'm doing good to get out and walk at 64. Years of laziness, loving to eat and smoking have taken their toll. I have a bit of emphysema that seems to be rearing it's ugly head more and more.
Still when it's not too cold or raining I do try to get out and walk.
Hugs,
Jeanette
Quote from: SiobhánF on February 24, 2017, 09:37:12 AM
6'2", 170lbs
(187cm, 77kg)
That was me in high school. Many years and probably a few too many beers ago.
Been as high as 280. Have it under 230 now, but trying to get under 200.
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Quote from: JeanetteLW on February 24, 2017, 10:55:34 AM
Ahhhhhh The exuberance of the youthful. I'm doing good to get out and walk at 64. Years of laziness, loving to eat and smoking have taken their toll. I have a bit of emphysema that seems to be rearing it's ugly head more and more.
Still when it's not too cold or raining I do try to get out and walk.
Hugs,
Jeanette
Flattery will get you anywhere. ;) I'm 63. Walking is my current form of exercise. I'm slowly raising my daily number of steps, sometimes getting over 10,000. Daily average is about 6,000.
I appreciate it. If you have problems doing much physical exertion, start out slow and small. Each success is another win. Don't let age confine you. Keep moving. ;)
My belief is that age is no barrier to me unless I allow it to be. I liked this quote I read in a really good book. "People don't stop running because they get old. They get old because they stop running."
It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.
André Gide, Autumn Leaves
I love it. :)
FWIW, I'm about 187cm(6'1") and weigh 88.5kg (195lbs)....fortunately, I'm not "overweight", but carry a lot of muscle....I'm pre-HRT (waiting for my appointment). Muscle is very slowly melting away with cardio and proper eating habits...I'm hoping that HRT will accelerate that process...my goal is to be in the 160-170 range.
184 cm (6 feet), 65-68 kg (143-150 lbs). In summer, my weight becomes 65 kg and 68 kg in winter, as I run more frequently in summer, partially to wear bikini in the beach. I have maintained this figure during the past 15 years. As I am getting old, this becomes more difficult, but I can do it.
barbie~~
Quote from: barbie on February 24, 2017, 02:32:46 PM
184 cm (6 feet), 65-68 kg (143-150 lbs).
I would have thought you were a lot lighter than that. I'm almost your height and have difficulty getting my weight much past 120. I weighed a lot more 10 years ago when I had a job at a big corporation and ate at the company cafeteria every day. These days I mostly eat super healthy at home, only eating out once or twice a week. I think restaurant food and pre-processed supermarket foods are responsible for most of the weight problems people have.
Carbs, and particularly sugar, is responsible for the weight problems. Cut out all the processed stuff and eliminate most sugar and weight control is pretty easy.
Eat vegetables, some fruit, a fair amount of meat, eggs, nuts, seeds, and cheese, and enough fat to make up the rest of the calorie balance for the day (a generous amount).
It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.
André Gide, Autumn Leaves
Quote from: Lyric on March 04, 2017, 08:34:13 AM
I would have thought you were a lot lighter than that. I'm almost your height and have difficulty getting my weight much past 120. I weighed a lot more 10 years ago when I had a job at a big corporation and ate at the company cafeteria every day. These days I mostly eat super healthy at home, only eating out once or twice a week. I think restaurant food and pre-processed supermarket foods are responsible for most of the weight problems people have.
Yes. Eating habit is critical. Basically I am a big eater. In my case, the major source of calorie is rice. We should it everyday, and I think it is a kind of genetic or evolutionary one. A problem is that I have gastritis, and a way of curing it is eating rice regularly for 3 meals per day.
My gastritis was caused by drinking too much strong instant coffee, together with drinking alcohol and smoking. I changed it to brewed mild coffee, and it became better. To reduce calorie input, I avoided eating rice, but it was not good for my stomach. Nowadays I try to eat rice for every meal.
The only solution I have now is running outdoors more frequently. Eat rice and run.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2949/33098456992_071025b71d_b.jpg)
barbie~~
Quote from: barbie on March 04, 2017, 07:47:52 PM
The only solution I have now is running outdoors more frequently. Eat rice and run.
Well, judging from those bikini pics you've posted that much work for you. I can see any room for weight loss for you.
Quote from: Saira128 on February 24, 2017, 05:12:52 AM
Is anyone here taller than 6 ft? If yes, what is your weight?
I am 6ft 1 inch tall and I am 240 pounds. [emoji27] [emoji29]
I am 6' 3", or as I tell those that ask me in person 5' 15" ;)
I weight 185lbs. I use to weigh as much as 222lbs, and pre transition I was up to 235lbs.
Last October I was 215lbs, and decided I had enough of it and focused on getting back into shape. My goal is between 175 and 180lbs. I try to run 5 miles a day and I have completely cut out alcohol, fast food, and most sweets (admittedly I still have a few desserts). I have been stabilized at 185 for over a month now. Ready to tackle the next 10lbs.
Hope this helps :)
-Sarah
Quote from: Saira128 on February 24, 2017, 05:12:52 AM
Is anyone here taller than 6 ft? If yes, what is your weight?
I am 6ft 1 inch tall and I am 240 pounds. [emoji27] [emoji29]
I used to be 6 ft but I shrank to 5'11".
Anyway, right now I'm 168 lbs at about 16.5% bodyfat according to my calipers.
Conform and be dull. —James Frank Dobie, The Voice of the Coyote
Quote from: barbie on March 04, 2017, 07:47:52 PM
Yes. Eating habit is critical. Basically I am a big eater. In my case, the major source of calorie is rice. We should it everyday, and I think it is a kind of genetic or evolutionary one. A problem is that I have gastritis, and a way of curing it is eating rice regularly for 3 meals per day.
My gastritis was caused by drinking too much strong instant coffee, together with drinking alcohol and smoking. I changed it to brewed mild coffee, and it became better. To reduce calorie input, I avoided eating rice, but it was not good for my stomach. Nowadays I try to eat rice for every meal.
The only solution I have now is running outdoors more frequently. Eat rice and run.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2949/33098456992_071025b71d_b.jpg)
barbie~~
I miss eating in Korea. I always felt well fed, healthy, and happy. I want some bibimbap, now. :3
Quote from: Saira128 on February 24, 2017, 05:12:52 AM
Is anyone here taller than 6 ft? If yes, what is your weight?
I am 6ft 1 inch tall and I am 240 pounds. [emoji27] [emoji29]
6'4" (193 cm) 170ish pounds and dropping.
Dimensions;
44" shoulder,
36" chest (under bust)
34" waist (sadness)
42" hips.
I pretty much stay around a 1500 calorie cap Monday to Friday, and cheat like crazy on the weekends..
My job keeps me pretty active, lots of walking, and construction in general is very physical.
Quote from: SiobhánF on March 06, 2017, 02:39:04 PM
I miss eating in Korea. I always felt well fed, healthy, and happy. I want some bibimbap, now. :3
Yes. Bibimbap is Delicious, and I especially like dolsot-bibimbap. But I had avoided it, because I thought it contains too much rice. But recently I changed my mind.
My kids like chicken, pork and beef. And every spring here in my campus, new semester starts, and I see the freshmen, especially girls, become fatter and fatter. They do not walk so much, and do not exercise. Just sitting and eating. Actually, obesity is the most severe among the 20s or 30s here.
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20150813001101
barbie~~
Oh, my. I didn't know that. I hope people pay attention and become more active and take care of themselves. :(
Quote from: RedheadWhovian on July 11, 2016, 02:17:02 PM
Not entirely sure if this is a good place to post this question, but does anyone have any good tips on exercises for feminization? I was thinking of jogging a lot, and stretching. I'm also doing 15-minute daily breast massages.
EXERCISE FOR ALL OVER BODY DEVELOPMENT
Crunches - 20-30 Reps
Squats - 12-15 Reps
Leg Curls - 12-15 Reps
Flat-Bench Presses - 10-12 Reps
Bent Over Barbell Rows - 10-12 Reps
Dumbbell Presses - 12-15 Reps
Dips/ Tricep Extensions - 10-12 Reps
Barbell Curls - 10-12 Reps
Standing Calf Raises - 15-20 Reps
High reps, medium weight and around 3-5 sets, don't worry to much about putting on large amounts of muscle. Believe it or not it is actually quite hard to build muscle this is why pro builders use steroids (women included) as for the waist shape, the hormones will work to a degree but as someone mentioned earlier a cincher can help just dont wear it for too long or it can mess with you internal organs :-*
xxx
Nooms
Quote from: Nooms on May 13, 2017, 01:45:06 PM
EXERCISE FOR ALL OVER BODY DEVELOPMENT
Crunches - 20-30 Reps
Squats - 12-15 Reps
Leg Curls - 12-15 Reps
Flat-Bench Presses - 10-12 Reps
Bent Over Barbell Rows - 10-12 Reps
Dumbbell Presses - 12-15 Reps
Dips/ Tricep Extensions - 10-12 Reps
Barbell Curls - 10-12 Reps
Standing Calf Raises - 15-20 Reps
High reps, medium weight and around 3-5 sets, don't worry to much about putting on large amounts of muscle. Believe it or not it is actually quite hard to build muscle this is why pro builders use steroids (women included) as for the waist shape, the hormones will work to a degree but as someone mentioned earlier a cincher can help just dont wear it for too long or it can mess with you internal organs :-*
xxx
Nooms
Nooms do you think this would work for someone pre HRT?
Xxx
Quote from: Nooms on May 13, 2017, 01:45:06 PM
EXERCISE FOR ALL OVER BODY DEVELOPMENT
Crunches - 20-30 Reps
Squats - 12-15 Reps
Leg Curls - 12-15 Reps
Flat-Bench Presses - 10-12 Reps
Bent Over Barbell Rows - 10-12 Reps
Dumbbell Presses - 12-15 Reps
Dips/ Tricep Extensions - 10-12 Reps
Barbell Curls - 10-12 Reps
Standing Calf Raises - 15-20 Reps
High reps, medium weight and around 3-5 sets, don't worry to much about putting on large amounts of muscle. Believe it or not it is actually quite hard to build muscle this is why pro builders use steroids (women included) as for the waist shape, the hormones will work to a degree but as someone mentioned earlier a cincher can help just dont wear it for too long or it can mess with you internal organs :-*
xxx
Nooms
Couple bones to pick: 1. You're neglecting routine variation. This is vital to prevent plateaus. 2. Having competed at the semi-pro level in both body building and powerlifting/strongman, including the Arnold Classic once, I can guarantee that while their use is fairly common, a lot of pros don't use steroids or HGH. While adding muscle mass can be difficult, and we are all limited by genetics, Using the right methods it's not as hard as you portray it, even without steroids. Might wanna give my novel length post on the other fitness page a read. It's on page 3 of the thread "Feminizing Workouts?" Stay Safe
HUGS!
I am a big favourite of dance and I just love how wonderful and feminine the Southern University Dancing Dolls look with the Human Jukebox band from Southern University from the Bayou Clasic;
To see how they learn the struts steps and movements so you can emulate them as part of your workouts below use this You tube video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qfpMcQxO7M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qfpMcQxO7M)
Then to see them in action, see the Alumni from 2008, dance in a practice session to music (its great to follow on the Big screen TV, and dance in time although quite tiring, but it will do wonders for your hips, buttocks and waistline ).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zbMXI3wtMs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zbMXI3wtMs)
Then to see them moving and dancing with the Human Juke Box band see this video, which you can do with them when you have learnt the basic movements from the first video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wth57D-HaqE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wth57D-HaqE)
if you want still more dance routines see another alumni session at:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxvzT24iE14 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxvzT24iE14)
JudithLynn
Quote from: judithlynn on October 12, 2017, 01:12:16 AM
I am a big favourite of dance and I just love how wonderful and feminine the Southern University Dancing Dolls look with the Human Jukebox band from Southern University from the Bayou Clasic;
To see how they learn the struts steps and movements so you can emulate them as part of your workouts below use this You tube video:
Yes. Dancing becomes popular here too, especially among old people. As I am getting aged, I may try to learn dancing after my retirement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEFBPEazQCE
barbie~~