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Title: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 16, 2016, 05:00:36 AM
Hey everyone yeah I'm starting another topic seeking advice for getting a job and also keeping one. The other one I made I deeply regret all I ended up doing is go on a ranting tirade and felt it was going nowhere due to that. Just wanna first apologize to those who replied to the thread.

OK so instead of going on of how I'm struggling to get a job I want to narrow it down to what kind of jobs should I apply for instead. Reason I ask because honestly there's really not a whole lot I'm good at like I had two jobs in the past and both were fast paced and I wasn't able to work them fast enough and ended up getting fired as a result. I'd like to avoid fast paced jobs for sure cause I really can't handle them no matter how much effort I put into them I'm just not fast enough for those type of jobs.

As for skills I severely lack like the only real practical skills I have is my knowledge in History and my ability to read maps and know the many cities and capitals of the world. That's about it though and I lack the ability to teach and as far as I know there's no demand for map readers. Also I'm terrible at doing hands on work for trades and I'm terrible at math. Sadly I don't really have much going for me in the skills department and I have no clue how I can acquire new skills.

Another thing to mention is I also have ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder) though it's undiagnosed and like to have it diagnosed there's no doubt I do have it whether it's simply high functioning autism or Aspergers I'm pretty sure it's had an impact on my work abilities in the past and as to why fast paced jobs are too overwhelming for me. I also have a diagnosed learning disability from as far as elementary school like  I have difficulty with critical thinking and some logic and overall I learn a bit slower like it takes me longer to grasp and understand certain concepts and information. Those are two things I'm having to live with and I hope to find an employer who's willing to hire a slow learner I mean I am willing to learn though.

With all that being said I now ask where and what would be a suitable job for me. The biggest thing I worry about is once I get a job is being able to keep it.

p.s. I live in the U.S. (Tennessee) and I did manage to earn an associate's degree in general studies.

Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: AnxietyDisord3r on July 16, 2016, 05:16:08 AM
If you are on the spectrum you can learn and change but it is a) SLOW and b) requires you to stretch yourself and do things that are uncomfortable.

ASD people often do well doing technical work in a room without people distracting them. Unfortunately, entry level jobs are all about go-go-go with people, and working retail is worse than its ever been.

Have you considered call center or data center (data entry) jobs? These are often entry level but you get to sit at a desk with a computer and deal with one customer at a time (often just a recording of a person if it's data entry).
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 16, 2016, 05:28:52 AM
I've thought about data entry jobs but what do you really do in most of those jobs and is the work normally hard or easy??

Also are there any jobs I could maybe do as a photographer besides doing weddings and family photos?? Like maybe take pictures for businesses to help promote the business or is it possible to take pictures for a news paper without having to do the journalism parts that involve writing??
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Elis on July 16, 2016, 07:03:50 AM
I don't know whether i have ASD but i definitely have social anxiety; although its better than it was a year ago. Im also a bit slow. I desperately needed a job to pay for transitioning so applied and got a job that involved talking to customers. I hated doing that for obvious reasons and it made my mental health worse so had to quit in September. A customer facing role doesn't sound like it'll be suitable for you but if you think you can stick with it for a few months to pay for HRT then go for it. I also had a warehouse operative job 2 yrs ago which although boring suited me because it was a small place so wasn't fast paced; so that's also an option.
I'm currently looking for kitchen work because it's the kind of job where you're largely left to your own devices and given set tasks to do; so it doesn't involve a lot of interaction with people.
I think photography is hard to get into because you have to provide companies with a portfolio of your work first.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: FTMax on July 16, 2016, 10:52:32 AM
Agree with both previous posters. If you have a condition which makes working hard, you have to work at it to expand your comfort zone and ideally find compatible work. I had pretty severe social anxiety all through college and grad school. I still had a good time and got a lot out of it because I forced myself to do things that made me uncomfortable or that didn't come naturally.

Data entry is fairly simple. Either you're speaking to a person and entering their data into routine forms that the company uses, or you're digitizing data from physical forms that have already been completed. The only hang up with these that you may encounter is that there is an expected volume that you complete after you've been trained. As long as you can type well I don't think you'd have a problem, but it is something to be aware of.

Photography is certainly possible, but generally you would be working as a freelancer. Most places don't keep a photographer on the payroll, so you'd have to market yourself to businesses and hope that there is enough volume to pay your bills. I have a friend who started her own photography business and it took about five years doing it part-time while working a full-time job for her to build up enough of a client base and portfolio that she could quit the other job and just focus on photography. And this is in a very large metropolitan area. That is kind of the issue with things like that. It may be easier for you since you live at home, but it takes time to build enough of a reputation to have enough work to support yourself.

As far as history and geography - is there a reason why you aren't interested in teaching? That is really the only route I could see either of those going if that is the kind of work you want to be doing.

I mentioned in the other thread but not sure you will go back to it: look for overnight work. It usually pays better, you're only working with your coworkers and rarely dealing with customers, and it's usually easy to get into because fewer people want to do it. If there are any big box retailers in your area (Target, Walmart, etc.), they all have overnight stocking crews. Same with grocery stores. You could also look into overnight front desk positions at hotels, or working as a security guard. I would actually recommend these over the retail jobs as these typically don't have any kind of fast paced expectations - there's a checklist of things to complete each shift and you handle things as they come up otherwise. I've done overnight security and it is easy in most cases as long as you can stay awake. Most places will let you read or watch movies in your downtime as long as you complete your other work tasks.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Kylo on July 16, 2016, 11:09:23 AM
Quote from: EmilyRyan on July 16, 2016, 05:28:52 AM
I've thought about data entry jobs but what do you really do in most of those jobs and is the work normally hard or easy??

They are easy, the problem is they usually require a typing skill (they made me do a typing course for one job although data entry wasn't my only job, just a part of it). The hardest part of data entry jobs imo is not falling asleep doing them. They are extremely boring.

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Also are there any jobs I could maybe do as a photographer besides doing weddings and family photos?? Like maybe take pictures for businesses to help promote the business or is it possible to take pictures for a news paper without having to do the journalism parts that involve writing??

I've done this too on a freelance basis. It's entirely possible to talk or portfolio your way into these positions as well as by having done it before in other jobs, but they do tend to require certain people skills. One of the worst problems I had dealing with a client when photographing their hotel was not my lack of people skills but their indecisiveness about what they wanted me to do. First they wanted photos, then a website, then offered me a job at the bar... they seemed to think I could be all things to all people and that was a difficult situation. You need to be quite focused and confident when dealing with clients who are not entirely sure what it is that they want you to do. I originally intended to go into graphic design as a career, but the constant issue of clients not being decisive (and the problems and delays and stress that causes) put me off entirely. It's much easier doing what I do now - make artwork and sell it after the fact, not before.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 16, 2016, 08:37:43 PM
Quote from: Elis on July 16, 2016, 07:03:50 AM
I also had a warehouse operative job 2 yrs ago which although boring suited me because it was a small place so wasn't fast paced; so that's also an option.
I'm currently looking for kitchen work because it's the kind of job where you're largely left to your own devices and given set tasks to do; so it doesn't involve a lot of interaction with people.
Hmm a warehouse job that's slow paced?? Please tell me more. I wouldn't mind a job like that if it's like you described though I'm not exactly that strong and even struggle to lift 50 lbs. but hey I'm willing to give it a try under the right circumstances. If I were to be working in a kitchen what kind of position would you suggest?? And are there any certain warehouse positions you would recommend for a slow worker??

Quote from: FTMax on July 16, 2016, 10:52:32 AM
Data entry is fairly simple. Either you're speaking to a person and entering their data into routine forms that the company uses, or you're digitizing data from physical forms that have already been completed. The only hang up with these that you may encounter is that there is an expected volume that you complete after you've been trained. As long as you can type well I don't think you'd have a problem, but it is something to be aware of.
Hopefully most data entry jobs won't require to type more than 30 words per minute I took keyboarding in both high school and college (took it back in the spring) and that was like the best I could do lol.

Quote from: FTMax on July 16, 2016, 10:52:32 AM
Photography is certainly possible, but generally you would be working as a freelancer. Most places don't keep a photographer on the payroll, so you'd have to market yourself to businesses and hope that there is enough volume to pay your bills. I have a friend who started her own photography business and it took about five years doing it part-time while working a full-time job for her to build up enough of a client base and portfolio that she could quit the other job and just focus on photography. And this is in a very large metropolitan area. That is kind of the issue with things like that. It may be easier for you since you live at home, but it takes time to build enough of a reputation to have enough work to support yourself.
I think it's best to keep photography as a hobby I just don't see any money to be made (not much anyway). I rather know I have a secured job as a photographer than to be freelance and wonder when my next job will be. Though I thought about selling photos off shutter stock for what little money landscape and architecture photos can sell for. And another issue is the need for a dslr or a mirrorless camera.   

Quote from: FTMax on July 16, 2016, 10:52:32 AM
As far as history and geography - is there a reason why you aren't interested in teaching? That is really the only route I could see either of those going if that is the kind of work you want to be doing.
I did want to be a teacher and over the last fall and just this spring I took the three main basic courses for getting into the teacher program and those courses where the ones that determined whether you were skilled enough to be a teacher and unfortunately I was not only found to be unsuitable for teaching but I only could pass one of the three courses. After all the failures I had of finding a suitable career I was hoping teaching would be it.     

Quote from: FTMax on July 16, 2016, 10:52:32 AM
I mentioned in the other thread but not sure you will go back to it: look for overnight work. It usually pays better, you're only working with your coworkers and rarely dealing with customers, and it's usually easy to get into because fewer people want to do it. If there are any big box retailers in your area (Target, Walmart, etc.), they all have overnight stocking crews. Same with grocery stores. You could also look into overnight front desk positions at hotels, or working as a security guard. I would actually recommend these over the retail jobs as these typically don't have any kind of fast paced expectations - there's a checklist of things to complete each shift and you handle things as they come up otherwise. I've done overnight security and it is easy in most cases as long as you can stay awake. Most places will let you read or watch movies in your downtime as long as you complete your other work tasks.
I should look into overnight work maybe stocking shelves I do know from my experience working at Walmart my shift ended around the time the overnight stockers were on their shift and did notice their work looked real easy and as if you could take your time and no one got on your case about being slow just as long as you were working.

Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Mariah on July 16, 2016, 09:18:45 PM
You might want to get your feet wet somewhere with something like an overnight stocking job before applying for working in a warehouse. I know that when my dad with warehouse experience applied at several many years ago and the competition for those jobs made getting in some places difficult. Do you have any past job experiences to pull from at all? Hugs
Mariah
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 16, 2016, 09:47:29 PM
 I do have some past job experience not really sufficient though since the jobs I did have only lasted a few months due to being fired from them. First job I had was working at Goodwill as a donations attendant and the other was at Walmart as an unloader. Both jobs were rather fast paced and I wasn't able to keep up as well as I wanted and each time was terminated for poor job performance as a result.

If I may ask are there any like job placement services that help those with ASD or have a learning disability I feel seeing a professional like that might actually help with getting a job and maybe know what jobs would be more suitable.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Elis on July 17, 2016, 04:25:26 AM
To get a job in a warehouse is tricky; but as you have previous experience as an unloader you should be able to get a position. There aren't many but you can chance upon a vacancy to work as a warehouse operative for a much smaller company; so instead of a few dozen working in a warehouse they'll only be a couple so it'll be much less hectic work. Just look up warehouse jobs online and see what comes up. As for positions it seems to all be warehouse operative or picker packer which are generally the same thing (picking orders; putting orders on vans; putting stock on shelves). You can also look into post office work working in the mail room (near xmas they're always looking for temps).

As for kitchen work it'll be a kitchen porter position (unloading deliveries, cutting vegetables, cleaning the kitchen) or kitchen assistant which will cover the same duties as a porter but you'll be more involved with cooking food. In cities restaurants are always looking for these positions to be filled. I'd recommend you think of some chain restaurants/bars or pubs and see if they have any vacancies. Most companies don't like for past experience working in a kitchen because they're entry level jobs.

As Mariah suggested an overnight stocking job would suit; but I've always found not many shops at all have vacancies for this position. It's all retail positions. But definitely give it a try and find one.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 17, 2016, 03:19:05 PM
Thank ya for the suggestions so far

I'm curious though if there are employers that have a good reputation when it comes to hiring people that may have difficulties and are there any services that do the same??



Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Elis on July 17, 2016, 03:26:35 PM
Quote from: EmilyRyan on July 17, 2016, 03:19:05 PM
Thank ya for the suggestions so far

I'm curious though if there are employers that have a good reputation when it comes to hiring people that may have difficulties and are there any services that do the same??

Im not in the US but I'm sure they are charities where i am that help with this so I'm positive there will be in America. Maybe do a general search for disability charities and see what comes up.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: CarlyMcx on July 17, 2016, 06:56:10 PM
Quote from: EmilyRyan on July 16, 2016, 09:47:29 PM

If I may ask are there any like job placement services that help those with ASD or have a learning disability I feel seeing a professional like that might actually help with getting a job and maybe know what jobs would be more suitable.

There are, even in the state you live in.  But you need to be diagnosed first.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Tristyn on July 17, 2016, 07:08:51 PM
I agree with Mariah about the overnight stocking on this one. I would try to do a job with as little human interaction as possible, though in my case, I am extremely desperate and might get myself into a job where I would have to dissociate to work and that is not a good thing. So something like stocking, janitorial, office work, stuff like that sounds like an ideal fit for you?
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Soli on July 17, 2016, 07:14:22 PM
Quote from: EmilyRyan on July 16, 2016, 09:47:29 PM
If I may ask are there any like job placement services that help those with ASD or have a learning disability I feel seeing a professional like that might actually help with getting a job and maybe know what jobs would be more suitable.

http://www.tennesseeworks.org/getting-to-work/finding-jobs/

https://www.autismspeaks.org/resource-guide/state/tn

http://autismtn.org/resources/general-resources/adult-resources/

https://www.autismspeaks.org/family-services/community-connections/employment-opportunities-individuals-autism

http://asperger-employment.org/assistance-for-individual/
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Tristyn on July 17, 2016, 07:15:32 PM
Ever tried dishwashing, Emily? That's the type of job I am really shooting for, besides stocking. I'm not good at much either except maybe writing and singing. I know I could do something with those skills if I really applied myself somehow....but I wouldn't know where to start. Are you filling out applications everyday? You never know, one of those employers may call you up and ask to interview you out of the blue. :D
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 17, 2016, 07:36:34 PM
Quote from: CarlyMcx on July 17, 2016, 06:56:10 PM
There are, even in the state you live in.  But you need to be diagnosed first.
I'd really like to get diagnosed though I have one big issue/obstacle: my parents. Can't get them to take me to see a professional they aren't convinced that anything is wrong with me and simply refuse to believe. I hear getting a diagnosis for ASD as an adult can cost a lot and if I can't get my parents to help what can I do then??   

Quote from: Tristyn on July 17, 2016, 07:15:32 PM
Ever tried dishwashing, Emily? That's the type of job I am really shooting for, besides stocking. I'm not good at much either except maybe writing and singing. I know I could do something with those skills if I really applied myself somehow....but I wouldn't know where to start. Are you filling out applications everyday? You never know, one of those employers may call you up and ask to interview you out of the blue. :D
For right now I've decided to but job hunting on hold it was taking an emotional and mental toll that was making more negative than I ever want to be. I'll back to the routine once I get myself together right now I wanna focus on making myself employable but I'll keep dishwashing in mind.

And Soli, I'll be taking a good look at those links thank you and love you hun :)
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Katiepie on July 17, 2016, 08:20:06 PM
Hey Emily,
Sorry for disappearing in the last thread and such. I did do a lot of thinking on behalf of what you have been going through with a job and such, as well I have been in a slump of laziness and well not working.
But depending on what kind of work may help you out or even in the essence of continuing school and such. Might I suggest getting a B.S in Archaeology, since in a nutshell the map reading may help in pursuing that type of position, and then also if doing so may even get you a position either in the field of archaeology, or even taking a look into getting a job within a museum (historical or other).
This is only a suggestion as per what your strengths are, and could possibly work out.

Kate <3
Always remember to smile your face
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 17, 2016, 10:08:27 PM
Quote from: Katiepie on July 17, 2016, 08:20:06 PM
Hey Emily,
Sorry for disappearing in the last thread and such. I did do a lot of thinking on behalf of what you have been going through with a job and such, as well I have been in a slump of laziness and well not working.
But depending on what kind of work may help you out or even in the essence of continuing school and such. Might I suggest getting a B.S in Archaeology, since in a nutshell the map reading may help in pursuing that type of position, and then also if doing so may even get you a position either in the field of archaeology, or even taking a look into getting a job within a museum (historical or other).
This is only a suggestion as per what your strengths are, and could possibly work out.
Hey glad to hear from ya again hope you're doing well

I've looked into museums before but they want either a master's degree or a ph.d. and honestly I really don't have the intellectual capacity to get either I was lucky to get my associates only cause I chose one the easiest majors.   

Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Tristyn on July 18, 2016, 04:58:17 AM
Quote from: EmilyRyan on July 17, 2016, 07:36:34 PM
I'd really like to get diagnosed though I have one big issue/obstacle: my parents. Can't get them to take me to see a professional they aren't convinced that anything is wrong with me and simply refuse to believe. I hear getting a diagnosis for ASD as an adult can cost a lot and if I can't get my parents to help what can I do then??   
For right now I've decided to but job hunting on hold it was taking an emotional and mental toll that was making more negative than I ever want to be. I'll back to the routine once I get myself together right now I wanna focus on making myself employable but I'll keep dishwashing in mind.

Yeah, getting ASD diagnosed is difficult as an adult for some reason. It's viewed as a childhood mental thing. I had a psychiatrist, even with some proof from results of an ASD screening test I took online for adults who have Aspergers, and he outright said I don't have it because I can carry a conversation. So I knew right away that the guy had no clue what having Aspergers means. Can't you apply for your own medical insurance and go to a psychiatrist by yourself like on a bus or taxi or something? There has to be another route besides through your parents. Part of becoming independent is letting go of your guardians like a baby bird learning to fly on its own for the first time, you need to learn how to fly, Emily. :)

Also, I hope you are able to get the rest you need so you can come back and job search. Sometimes rest is the best thing you can really do for yourself.

Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 18, 2016, 03:40:11 PM
Quote from: Tristyn on July 18, 2016, 04:58:17 AM
Can't you apply for your own medical insurance and go to a psychiatrist by yourself like on a bus or taxi or something? There has to be another route besides through your parents. Part of becoming independent is letting go of your guardians like a baby bird learning to fly on its own for the first time, you need to learn how to fly, Emily. :)
There's TennCare (Tennessee's Medicaid) but even if I moved out, became completely independent, and even was homeless I wouldn't qualify since I'm not disabled because Tennessee refuses to expand Medicaid which would allow those with just low income to qualify (well maybe cause you know it's Tennessee).   
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 18, 2016, 08:11:54 PM
I wonder if I ever be capable of performing jobs beyond entry level. I'd like to have a decent career one day. Every job beyond entry though requires a lot of skills that I can never grasp plus I can't handle most stress higher level jobs come with.

Is there any hope for me or am I bound to stock shelves for the rest of my life??
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Mariah on July 18, 2016, 08:14:08 PM
Emily I believe that it is possible you will. I know of many that started at the bottom and worked the way up even into management positions at places. Hugs
Mariah
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 18, 2016, 08:51:44 PM
I mean is it possible for people with certain neurological limitations, that makes most complex tasks rather more difficult, to be able work in higher positions?? I dream of one day having a higher paying job but I don't know if I could handle the tasks most higher jobs require. If I truly can't handle that what would be my best bet to do??   
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Katiepie on July 19, 2016, 12:24:32 AM
I'm doing okay. Not in my best, but managing.
Is there any possibilities in trying any of the options given? Or find something you would enjoy, and not necessarily lie in interview but stretch the truth in a few things, and once you get the job, as long as you enjoy it and have a good demeanor, I wouldn't see why you wouldn't stick with something. Find out what you are passionate about and then go for it. That sometimes would get you to where you need to go.

Kate <3
Always remember to smile your face
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Elis on July 19, 2016, 04:00:52 AM
As I said in an earlier post look into apprenticeships; most don't pay well but at keast you'd get your foot in the door for a career. And you can definitely wirk your way up. You just need to get into the swing of working and having that routine. And HRT should help with anxiety and confidence; which seems to be impacting you atm.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: AnxietyDisord3r on July 19, 2016, 04:29:27 AM
Quote from: EmilyRyan on July 16, 2016, 05:28:52 AM
I've thought about data entry jobs but what do you really do in most of those jobs and is the work normally hard or easy??

Also are there any jobs I could maybe do as a photographer besides doing weddings and family photos?? Like maybe take pictures for businesses to help promote the business or is it possible to take pictures for a news paper without having to do the journalism parts that involve writing??

I think what you're talking about is stock photography. You do photos on spec, then sometimes websites buy them for a small fee. I don't know how much money you can make at that especially if you're new, but it's worth looking into.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: AnxietyDisord3r on July 19, 2016, 04:36:16 AM
Quote from: EmilyRyan on July 18, 2016, 08:11:54 PM
I wonder if I ever be capable of performing jobs beyond entry level. I'd like to have a decent career one day. Every job beyond entry though requires a lot of skills that I can never grasp plus I can't handle most stress higher level jobs come with.

Is there any hope for me or am I bound to stock shelves for the rest of my life??

If you start doing jobs you will get more skilled at them. Don't get discouraged by the firings because the retail world is pretty hellish right now and people get fired for nothing. As the economy gets better, it will get easier to get a job and keep it.

Have you tried becoming a night clerk at a hotel? It's pretty cushy and slow paced as long as you're okay with staying up all night. Sometimes you have angry customers you have to placate but it seems to me that every hotel clerk ever is slow on the computer so you will be in good company. I know people who wrote novels and did major projects while night clerking at hotels. This might be a good job for you. They often pay above minimum wage because people willing to stay up all night are hard to find.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: AnxietyDisord3r on July 19, 2016, 04:39:10 AM
Quote from: EmilyRyan on July 18, 2016, 08:51:44 PM
I mean is it possible for people with certain neurological limitations, that makes most complex tasks rather more difficult, to be able work in higher positions?? I dream of one day having a higher paying job but I don't know if I could handle the tasks most higher jobs require. If I truly can't handle that what would be my best bet to do??

You work your way up like everyone else. You get experience and you get better at life. It's just slower for you than for others, and you need to learn to stop comparing yourself to everyone else and compare your progress to yourself.

As for your parents, have you tried putting your feelings about your job difficulties in a letter to your parents? Ask them what they envision for your future? Are they prepared for indefinite dependency? Would a diagnosis feel different if it helped you find jobs and keep them? Millions of people are in the workplace with developmental and learning disabilities after all.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: MissAmandaJones on July 19, 2016, 08:02:21 AM
I wouldn't work in a warehouse or a stocking job if I was a trans woman. I'd definitely look for a job where you might fit in. Try working at some place like Target. A retail store with a higher class clientele that won't judge you or harass you for being a woman. Retail jobs also aren't as fast paced as restaurant work. You just have to be polite.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 19, 2016, 04:18:57 PM
Quote from: Elis on July 19, 2016, 04:00:52 AM
As I said in an earlier post look into apprenticeships; most don't pay well but at keast you'd get your foot in the door for a career. And you can definitely wirk your way up. You just need to get into the swing of working and having that routine. And HRT should help with anxiety and confidence; which seems to be impacting you atm.
Like what kind of apprenticeships?? Are they easy?? Any autistic friendly by any chance or at least help with learning disability??

Quote from: Katiepie on July 19, 2016, 12:24:32 AM
I'm doing okay. Not in my best, but managing.
Is there any possibilities in trying any of the options given? Or find something you would enjoy, and not necessarily lie in interview but stretch the truth in a few things, and once you get the job, as long as you enjoy it and have a good demeanor, I wouldn't see why you wouldn't stick with something. Find out what you are passionate about and then go for it. That sometimes would get you to where you need to go.
Hope things get better *hugs*

It depends on the difficulty of getting and working those jobs. As for passions photography seems out of the question due to lack of security and I don't think anyone is hiring map readers nowadays.

Quote from: AnxietyDisord3r on July 19, 2016, 04:39:10 AM
You work your way up like everyone else. You get experience and you get better at life. It's just slower for you than for others, and you need to learn to stop comparing yourself to everyone else and compare your progress to yourself.

As for your parents, have you tried putting your feelings about your job difficulties in a letter to your parents? Ask them what they envision for your future? Are they prepared for indefinite dependency? Would a diagnosis feel different if it helped you find jobs and keep them? Millions of people are in the workplace with developmental and learning disabilities after all.
Like what if the employer doesn't give a chance to get better and just decides it's better to fire/let go that's my biggest fear of the workplace.

I'd like to tell my parents how I feel about things but I'm scared to. I think a diagnosis would make a world of difference in my ability to find and keep a job. 

Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Elis on July 19, 2016, 04:48:00 PM
We have a government run website here in the UK which shows listing for apprenticeship vacancies for all kinds of careers. Surely America has the same sort of thing you can look through. Even if you don't want to do a particular career for life at least it's a step. And again I'd look for an autism charity or learning disability charity and ask for their advice.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 19, 2016, 05:40:56 PM
Ahh ok I realize now apprenticeship is different over in the UK than here in the US lol. When I think of apprentice in terms of jobs I think of trades like lineman, plumber, electrician, carpenter, etc. which most from other people's experience aren't quite suited for anybody with ASD.

Yeah I doubt there's any kind of website here in the US but anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. 
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 19, 2016, 05:46:55 PM
Also is there a way to bypass the competitive part of the hiring process??
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Mariah on July 19, 2016, 05:48:26 PM
Not generally. Most jobs have to by law I think give everyone a fair chance at getting the job they are taking job applications for. Hugs
Mariah
Quote from: EmilyRyan on July 19, 2016, 05:46:55 PM
Also is there a way to bypass the competitive part of the hiring process??
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Semira on July 19, 2016, 07:28:11 PM
Emily, I think your biggest obstacle is your mindset. You are too down on yourself and constantly come up with lists of reasons why you can't do this and can't do that. They're nothing more than excuses to protect yourself. I know how it is because I make excuses on why I can't/won't do things all the time. Changing your mindset is extremely difficult, especially without support, but unless it becomes more positive your chances of getting a job or succeeding in other areas will remain low.

I would toss out your ASD right from the start. It doesn't matter. Every human being has strengths and weaknesses. I've worked with people with significant mental disabilities who've held down jobs and you are way better off than they are. Nothing I've seen from your posts makes me think you aren't able to work. You are not broken. You are not incapable. All of these entry level jobs that have been discussed in these threads are all within your capabilities. You have to believe in yourself, focus on what you want in life, and work tirelessly to achieve it.

As far as jobs themselves...you aren't going to find an easy slow paced uncompetitive job that hands you money for just trying. If such a job existed then there would be 7 billion people applying for it. Work is hard. Work is stressful. Even entry level work. It's just a part of life that has to be accepted and dealt with. You don't have to be the fastest or the most competitive, you just have to be faster and more competitive than the person standing next to you.

Your inner dialog has to change. Before even looking for a job, make friends who will support you emotionally. If you can bring yourself to having a brighter outlook on things, you'll find that they aren't as difficult to conquer as you once thought.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 19, 2016, 08:51:44 PM
Quote from: Semira on July 19, 2016, 07:28:11 PM
Emily, I think your biggest obstacle is your mindset. You are too down on yourself and constantly come up with lists of reasons why you can't do this and can't do that. They're nothing more than excuses to protect yourself. I know how it is because I make excuses on why I can't/won't do things all the time. Changing your mindset is extremely difficult, especially without support, but unless it becomes more positive your chances of getting a job or succeeding in other areas will remain low.
I have changed my mind set believe it or not and I'm actually positive that I can get a job and I'm continuing to work on being more positive.   

Quote from: Semira on July 19, 2016, 07:28:11 PM
I would toss out your ASD right from the start. It doesn't matter. Every human being has strengths and weaknesses. I've worked with people with significant mental disabilities who've held down jobs and you are way better off than they are. Nothing I've seen from your posts makes me think you aren't able to work. You are not broken. You are not incapable. All of these entry level jobs that have been discussed in these threads are all within your capabilities. You have to believe in yourself, focus on what you want in life, and work tirelessly to achieve it.
Umm I can't just toss it out and forget sorry but ASD doesn't work like that and yes it does matter when it has significant impacts that affect being employed.

Quote from: Semira on July 19, 2016, 07:28:11 PM
As far as jobs themselves...you aren't going to find an easy slow paced uncompetitive job that hands you money for just trying. If such a job existed then there would be 7 billion people applying for it. Work is hard. Work is stressful. Even entry level work. It's just a part of life that has to be accepted and dealt with. You don't have to be the fastest or the most competitive, you just have to be faster and more competitive than the person standing next to you.
Be faster and more competitive than other people?? That's not gonna help me get anywhere

I'm sorry but I find most of what you said to be invalidating 
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Semira on July 19, 2016, 09:46:32 PM
Communication isn't my strong suit so I'll try to clarify some of what I wrote.

Quote from: EmilyRyan on July 19, 2016, 08:51:44 PM
Umm I can't just toss it out and forget sorry but ASD doesn't work like that and yes it does matter when it has significant impacts that affect being employed.
I'm not saying pretend ASD doesn't exist but rather to not use it as an excuse for not being able to do things. You are capable of doing anything anyone else is, it's just might be more challenging. A challenge you can overcome.

Quote from: EmilyRyan on July 19, 2016, 08:51:44 PM
Be faster and more competitive than other people?? That's not gonna help me get anywhere
I just meant that you don't have to worry about being the best employee, just be confident and you will be able to outshine other people.

I hope I didn't upset you as that wasn't my intention. I'll stop bugging you now. I wish you the best. Take care.  :)
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 19, 2016, 10:13:17 PM
No hard feelings and I apologize for being out of line

Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 19, 2016, 11:14:32 PM
Found some useful information that can help with job interviews in the future for whenever I do get a diagnosis for ASD. Read a blog suggesting that I could simply provide a letter briefing explaining the diagnosis and such and then go on to explain that I'm fit for the job and have the skills needed and that despite having ASD I'm capable of doing the job. Overall I'll just try to prove that I have some intelligence.

What do ya think??   
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Mariah on July 19, 2016, 11:20:20 PM
Last time I shared something medically with a prospective employer I didn't get the job. IMHO I wouldn't right anything up to explain it. There are employers out their that will help people who have shared that information like Goodwill. Hugs
Mariah
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 19, 2016, 11:27:32 PM
Quote from: Mariah on July 19, 2016, 11:20:20 PM
Last time I shared something medically with a prospective employer I didn't get the job. IMHO I wouldn't right anything up to explain it. There are employers out their that will help people who have shared that information like Goodwill. Hugs
Mariah
I feel the interview process would be less painful if I went ahead and disclosed and hey even if I don't get the job at least I try lol.

As for Goodwill that was my first ever job and was a total nightmare to work for.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: CarlyMcx on July 19, 2016, 11:50:48 PM
Just out of curiosity, what was so bad about Goodwill?  Where I live, Goodwill hires lots of folks with developmental disabilities.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Mariah on July 20, 2016, 12:02:16 AM
Same hear which is why I mentioned it. Hugs
Mariah
Quote from: CarlyMcx on July 19, 2016, 11:50:48 PM
Just out of curiosity, what was so bad about Goodwill?  Where I live, Goodwill hires lots of folks with developmental disabilities.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 20, 2016, 12:06:51 AM
Quote from: CarlyMcx on July 19, 2016, 11:50:48 PM
Just out of curiosity, what was so bad about Goodwill?  Where I live, Goodwill hires lots of folks with developmental disabilities.
Aside from the fact that the assistant manager treated me bad and always berated me. I was tasked with taking up donations from people and putting them up and taking where go to be processed. Seemed like a simple job that I should been capable of doing unfortunately it got too overwhelming I couldn't keep up with the volume of people and wasn't able to contain the flow of goods. Long story short stuff was always everywhere and I was constantly being yelled at my by the assistant manager I think he hated me from the get go. Ultimately it was the corportate head that was in charge of monitoring the store's performance that fired me from being too slow and incompetent.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 20, 2016, 01:25:26 PM
Maybe if I were to get a factory job maybe I could be a machine operator?? If that requires a degree what degree would I need to get??
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: jujubes1986 on July 20, 2016, 01:55:59 PM
I just quit my job today... I couldn't stand my manager any longer... And my surgery is coming up in October 2016...
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: CarlyMcx on July 20, 2016, 03:33:33 PM
Quote from: EmilyRyan on July 20, 2016, 12:06:51 AM
Aside from the fact that the assistant manager treated me bad and always berated me. I was tasked with taking up donations from people and putting them up and taking where go to be processed. Seemed like a simple job that I should been capable of doing unfortunately it got too overwhelming I couldn't keep up with the volume of people and wasn't able to contain the flow of goods. Long story short stuff was always everywhere and I was constantly being yelled at my by the assistant manager I think he hated me from the get go. Ultimately it was the corportate head that was in charge of monitoring the store's performance that fired me from being too slow and incompetent.

This is why having a diagnosis is so important.  Then you have legal protection from being treated like that. This:  https://www.tn.gov/didd/topic/workplace-harassment (https://www.tn.gov/didd/topic/workplace-harassment)

If you apply for a job now, and the prospective employer calls Goodwill and asks what kind of worker you are, is that assistant manager going to be the one who answers the phone?  If so, that explains why you are having problems getting hired.

If you were diagnosed with something, then, depending on the laws of your state, it might still be possible to get a lawyer and reach a settlement where your previous employers give you good references. 

Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 20, 2016, 08:59:52 PM
Quote from: CarlyMcx on July 20, 2016, 03:33:33 PM
This is why having a diagnosis is so important.  Then you have legal protection from being treated like that. This:  https://www.tn.gov/didd/topic/workplace-harassment (https://www.tn.gov/didd/topic/workplace-harassment)

If you apply for a job now, and the prospective employer calls Goodwill and asks what kind of worker you are, is that assistant manager going to be the one who answers the phone?  If so, that explains why you are having problems getting hired.

If you were diagnosed with something, then, depending on the laws of your state, it might still be possible to get a lawyer and reach a settlement where your previous employers give you good references. 
Yeah I'd like to get a diagnosis asap just gotta figure out how to go about that especially since my parents don't believe anything is wrong and rather keep it that way.

The assistant manager is the one most likely to answer the phone since he's there more than the store manager is. On most applications they ask if they can contact and I normally check no and if they want a reason I normally say due to honesty concerns of the management.

Ehh I wouldn't depend on Tennessee to protect against any type of labor violations against employees.

Sorry for repeating this question but I am wondering if I were to try and be a machine operator for a factory would I need to get a certain degree for that and if so what kind?? And would that be suitable for someone with high functioning developmental disabilities??   
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Dena on July 20, 2016, 10:11:23 PM
Most machinery doesn't require a degree unless you are involved in setting up and programming a machine tool that produces parts. Often a trade school is required to do more advanced and better paying jobs on that type of equipment. It may also requires some algebra as the programming languages may be formula based. Most of the hand manufacturing tools are no longer used except for very limited production (one off).

A word of warning. This type of work requires attention to detail as if something is wrong, you could waste a valuable piece of metal or damage a machine.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 20, 2016, 10:37:52 PM
Alrighty sounds like a no go and from the sound of it I don't think they want me near any machines.

As for programming I find it difficult to grasp like all STEM jobs/fields especially when it involves math lol 
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 20, 2016, 11:54:04 PM
I think when I finally get the chance I'm gonna go ahead and pursue a four year degree in general studies. After I finish this semester of community college yet again I'll only need about 50 more credits to get a bachelors in that major. yeah I'm aware it's one the worst degrees to get but hey why not  :laugh:
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: jujubes1986 on July 21, 2016, 07:29:44 AM
i need to get back to school
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Elis on July 21, 2016, 08:36:59 AM
Quote from: EmilyRyan on July 20, 2016, 11:54:04 PM
I think when I finally get the chance I'm gonna go ahead and pursue a four year degree in general studies. After I finish this semester of community college yet again I'll only need about 50 more credits to get a bachelors in that major. yeah I'm aware it's one the worst degrees to get but hey why not  :laugh:

At least it's something and even though you may not think so, it's quite an impressive degree to have :). Myself I'm about to undertake a part time barbering course; probably be near impossible to get a job as a barber but it's something I'm interested in :D
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Soli on July 21, 2016, 03:35:28 PM
Quote from: jujubes1986 on July 20, 2016, 01:55:59 PM
I just quit my job today... I couldn't stand my manager any longer... And my surgery is coming up in October 2016...

sorry to hear that jujubes but sometimes it's for the better
Quote from: jujubes1986 on July 21, 2016, 07:29:44 AM
i need to get back to school

if you can, you should

Quote from: EmilyRyan on July 20, 2016, 11:54:04 PM
I think when I finally get the chance I'm gonna go ahead and pursue a four year degree in general studies. After I finish this semester of community college yet again I'll only need about 50 more credits to get a bachelors in that major. yeah I'm aware it's one the worst degrees to get but hey why not  :laugh:

any degree is good, that sounds like a good idea, Emily, and that doesn't keep you from getting a job, a student job, but you should consider switching along the way to another college or university and go in one of your strong domain, History or Geography. Hey I was full time in college and U for 8 years, from 25 to 33 years old, it was fun, and I had different student jobs...
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: jujubes1986 on July 21, 2016, 08:25:14 PM
Quote from: Soli on July 21, 2016, 03:35:28 PM
sorry to hear that jujubes but sometimes it's for the better

if you can, you should


thank you :)
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 22, 2016, 01:27:36 AM
Quote from: Elis on July 21, 2016, 08:36:59 AM
At least it's something and even though you may not think so, it's quite an impressive degree to have :). Myself I'm about to undertake a part time barbering course; probably be near impossible to get a job as a barber but it's something I'm interested in :D
Yeah I think a bachelor's in general studies is definitely something good to have and I think it's most suitable given my conditions and love the choice of courses.

Hope you have fun with the barber course

Quote from: Soli on July 21, 2016, 03:35:28 PM
any degree is good, that sounds like a good idea, Emily, and that doesn't keep you from getting a job, a student job, but you should consider switching along the way to another college or university and go in one of your strong domain, History or Geography. Hey I was full time in college and U for 8 years, from 25 to 33 years old, it was fun, and I had different student jobs...
Same here and I do believe actually that I can get a job with a general studies degree and I think I know how to market it as well heck getting my associates did teach me some skills like I took accounting and though I realized after taking the class I would be the world's worst accountant(lol) I did come out with stronger comprehension of knowing how to follow examples and step by step instructions like I followed my textbook very closely when doing the homework and did come out with a B in the class thanks to it being all online and unlimited test retakes :laugh: That's example of what taking a variety of classes can do in my opinion anyway.

Hopefully soon I can transfer to maybe Middle Tennessee State University and get that general studies degree there in the mean time I'm gonna have fun taking these art courses at the community college :)
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Katiepie on July 22, 2016, 02:05:21 AM
Going back to school is the way to go, even if it takes longer for the same time of getting a bachelors degree. General studies is expansive and broad, may get even the slightest of ways into anything you may want to get into. Besides yes, schools have jobs as a student, and federal work study or even after getting your degree.

I'm just kinda in a limbo of going back to school, especially with huge instances of possibilities of deployment with the army, and I would lose too many days in the semester while training.

Kate <3
Always remember to smile your face
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 22, 2016, 10:50:58 PM
Just put of curiosity what kind of jobs that require a bachelors degree would ya suggest that someone with ASD could do without getting fired??
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Deborah on July 22, 2016, 11:11:34 PM
Unless you can find some special program somewhere that specifically hires people with that disability, any job will find anywhere is going to require some level of performance.  Usually, that required level of work will be defined either in the job announcement or in the interview.

There are lots of people looking for work and whoever is paying the salary wants to get some level of productivity in return for what they pay their workers.

With that college degree you will have the credentials to get any starting level job you want except for those that require a technical degree in some specialized field.  So you should figure out what sort of work environment you can function best in and start your search there.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 23, 2016, 12:12:53 AM
Quote from: Deborah on July 22, 2016, 11:11:34 PM
Unless you can find some special program somewhere that specifically hires people with that disability, any job will find anywhere is going to require some level of performance.  Usually, that required level of work will be defined either in the job announcement or in the interview.

There are lots of people looking for work and whoever is paying the salary wants to get some level of productivity in return for what they pay their workers.

With that college degree you will have the credentials to get any starting level job you want except for those that require a technical degree in some specialized field.  So you should figure out what sort of work environment you can function best in and start your search there.
From the searching I been doing there doesn't seem to be any kind of program like that well in Tennessee anyway.

I'm not worried about having to be productive (that comes easy to me) it's issues with job performance and getting fired as a result is what I worry about.

Finding the right work environment where I can function best still trying to figure that one out lol. I do know from experience warehouse-type work is probably not suitable as I was fired from two jobs in a warehouse-type setting.


Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: VeronicaLynn on July 23, 2016, 03:27:26 AM
Have you considered more entry level office work? You already clearly have the typing and language skills there...can you file documents according to some specified type?
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 23, 2016, 03:40:35 AM
Quote from: VeronicaLynn on July 23, 2016, 03:27:26 AM
Have you considered more entry level office work? You already clearly have the typing and language skills there...can you file documents according to some specified type?
I have but like anything else I've considered I worry about job performance. I guess I could be able to file documents depending on the difficulty.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 23, 2016, 08:26:24 PM
Is there a chance I could work in insurance without being in sales or claims??
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 25, 2016, 01:15:25 AM
Anyone else have any suggestions??

Honestly I really have no clue what to do with my life and still kinda feel even if I got a Bachelors degree I probably be stocking store shelves for the rest of my life and I can't help feel that no employer would want to deal with anybody that has both a learning disability and ASD.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Elis on July 25, 2016, 04:08:22 AM
You vould into doing a few evening courses just to get an idea of thongs you are and aren't interested in.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 25, 2016, 06:23:52 PM
Quote from: Elis on July 25, 2016, 04:08:22 AM
You vould into doing a few evening courses just to get an idea of thongs you are and aren't interested in.
Wish there was a better way to do that without spending a fortune on classes especially if I turn out not to like it I rather not waste money.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 27, 2016, 12:33:26 AM
Sometimes I think I'm just too dumb to be able to get a higher paying job. Sorry but regardless if I get a bachelors or even a masters I see shelf stocking being the only thing I'm capable of doing. Everything else I look into and when I see the job descriptions/requirements all else seems too highly complicated for someone ditzy minded like I to even manage.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on July 27, 2016, 11:37:47 PM
Anyone have any suggestions or better yet any business owners on here willing to hire me??
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: jujubes1986 on August 02, 2016, 08:21:42 PM
Omg... 2 Wednesday ago I quit my job cuz I wasn't getting along with the manager... I've been working there for 2 years... But just last Friday the manager quit... So I called the boss and begged for my job back... I start again next week...
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on August 02, 2016, 09:54:12 PM
Quote from: jujubes1986 on August 02, 2016, 08:21:42 PM
Omg... 2 Wednesday ago I quit my job cuz I wasn't getting along with the manager... I've been working there for 2 years... But just last Friday the manager quit... So I called the boss and begged for my job back... I start again next week...
That's awesome hope your job goes better since that manager is gone :)

As for me am still struggling to find a suitable employer seems no one in my state wants to hire anyone with a developmental disability (I have a diagnosed learning disability and I may possibly have ASD).
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on August 03, 2016, 01:50:33 AM
Anyone know of any employers that willing work with people like myself??
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Sno on August 03, 2016, 06:13:55 PM
Hiya,

Ah, "performance anxiety". If you have a therapist, talk this through, CBT can help. Basically, fear of failure to perform, prevents you performing in the first place. If this is in combination with processing disorders, then you have a recipe for high levels of anxiety. Lots of performance is related to practice, basically training yourself, you become faster at specific tasks, and no-one expects a newbie to be 'up to speed'.

Even if that task is stocking and facing shelves, it's still a job, you can demonstrate that you can hold down a job, and you'll gain confidence in being able to do it extremely well - and those are desirable characteristics when looking for the next job. We all get worried about new jobs :)

There is an alternative. Create your own job. Offer 'help' services (shopping collection or ordering online with the elderly for example), washing/cleaning things (learn how to valet a car for example) - practice, practice, practice all you can. You never know what useful service you may come up with.

Do you have a diving license.? That alone opens a host of options :)

Just some ideas.

Sno
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on August 03, 2016, 06:37:33 PM
Quote from: Sno on August 03, 2016, 06:13:55 PM
Hiya,

Ah, "performance anxiety". If you have a therapist, talk this through, CBT can help. Basically, fear of failure to perform, prevents you performing in the first place. If this is in combination with processing disorders, then you have a recipe for high levels of anxiety. Lots of performance is related to practice, basically training yourself, you become faster at specific tasks, and no-one expects a newbie to be 'up to speed'.

Even if that task is stocking and facing shelves, it's still a job, you can demonstrate that you can hold down a job, and you'll gain confidence in being able to do it extremely well - and those are desirable characteristics when looking for the next job. We all get worried about new jobs :)

There is an alternative. Create your own job. Offer 'help' services (shopping collection or ordering online with the elderly for example), washing/cleaning things (learn how to valet a car for example) - practice, practice, practice all you can. You never know what useful service you may come up with.

Do you have a diving license.? That alone opens a host of options :)

Just some ideas.

Sno
Hey thanks for taking the time to reply

Indeed I have some issues including a learning disability, that does effect the way I process things and the more complex they are the harder it is for me to grasp, and there's also a possibility I could have ASD (autism spectrum disorder) as evidenced by some the traits I show (and a few people I know have taken notice). My biggest issue I face in any workplace is pace I tend to be bit slow and it cost me two jobs already.

Sadly I'm unable to get any professional help right now

Self employment does sound like a great idea until tax time comes around

   
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Dena on August 03, 2016, 06:53:37 PM
You need to take every opportunity you have to try new things. If a neighbor is working on a project, offer to help. If a friend could use some help, give it a try. If a hobby looks interesting try that. My dad was a great one for have us kids help him and in my case, when I took an interest in something he didn't know anything about, he might buy a few things to help the project along.

As for self employment, it's not a big deal. Yes you need to be sure you hold back enough money to pay the government but I do my own taxes and it take 3 extra forms to properly report the information to the government. The extra forms have very little information on them and I am not really sure why the government needs so much paper for so little information.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Sno on August 03, 2016, 07:35:37 PM
Dena is right, tax is not a problem really, just tedious (and most tax regimes have a step by step guide). All you have to do is ensure that you set aside 50% or so to comfortably pay the bill and have an end of year bonus :)

She's also right in just trying stuff out to see where your interests/abilities are :)

Accountants can be paid if you earn enough, and they should make the whole thing painless.

Processing disorders slow people down, and fall into one of 3 categories. Auditory, Sensory or visual. Over stimulation, prevents further processing, effectively its brain overload!

Have a read :)

Sno

Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on August 03, 2016, 08:11:52 PM
I don't know I mean I like the idea but for someone like me it would just be too much trouble with keeping up with everything plus I don't exactly live in an area where finding customers will be easy to get.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Tristyn on August 05, 2016, 10:20:30 PM
Emily, this might come off as a little rude....but, how can we really help you if you negate every bit of advice most, if not, all the members here posted? I mean, whenever something is suggested to you, there is always a reason (excuse?) for you not to be able to do it. So what advice are you really expecting from this thread? Again, not trying to troll, flame or start an argument. I want to help too but I am afraid that anything I could possibly suggest will just be rejected along with what the other members said. It's totally understandable that not all jobs are for everybody.

But you've rejected every single suggestion, pretty much. What more can be said here to help you if you won't even begin to accept the help? I know. I can be like this too, especially when depressed and even more when suicidal. But when I am the one offering help and having that help negated, I can see how frustrating it is. The question is; do you really want a job in the first place?

It's good to be cautious, not paranoid.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on August 06, 2016, 04:17:51 PM
Quote from: Tristyn on August 05, 2016, 10:20:30 PM
Emily, this might come off as a little rude....but, how can we really help you if you negate every bit of advice most, if not, all the members here posted? I mean, whenever something is suggested to you, there is always a reason (excuse?) for you not to be able to do it. So what advice are you really expecting from this thread? Again, not trying to troll, flame or start an argument. I want to help too but I am afraid that anything I could possibly suggest will just be rejected along with what the other members said. It's totally understandable that not all jobs are for everybody.

But you've rejected every single suggestion, pretty much. What more can be said here to help you if you won't even begin to accept the help? I know. I can be like this too, especially when depressed and even more when suicidal. But when I am the one offering help and having that help negated, I can see how frustrating it is. The question is; do you really want a job in the first place?

It's good to be cautious, not paranoid.
Sorry I come across like that

truth is i can't handle most jobs that everyone suggests especially if that job is fast paced (been there done that twice).

I do really want a job but I also want one where I don't have to worry about being let go cause I'm too slow or they think I just don't fit in. I have some functional issues that I can't help or get rid of but I can make up for by being a loyal worker that won't come in late, doesn't slack off, and doesn't get smart with management. It may take me longer than they want for me to get a task done but I get it done.

really wish i can get an official diagnosis for ASD I believe it'll be a lot of help 
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Tristyn on August 07, 2016, 02:04:46 AM
Quote from: EmilyRyan on August 06, 2016, 04:17:51 PM
Sorry I come across like that

truth is i can't handle most jobs that everyone suggests especially if that job is fast paced (been there done that twice).

I do really want a job but I also want one where I don't have to worry about being let go cause I'm too slow or they think I just don't fit in. I have some functional issues that I can't help or get rid of but I can make up for by being a loyal worker that won't come in late, doesn't slack off, and doesn't get smart with management. It may take me longer than they want for me to get a task done but I get it done.

really wish i can get an official diagnosis for ASD I believe it'll be a lot of help

Have you ever considered doing self-employment? Like working from home-sort-of-thing? That's what really comes to my mind when you say you need a job where you can work at your own pace.

Well, as far as the ASD diagnosis, that would be tricky at your age. Not saying it is impossible though.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on August 07, 2016, 02:20:12 AM
Quote from: Tristyn on August 07, 2016, 02:04:46 AM
Have you ever considered doing self-employment? Like working from home-sort-of-thing? That's what really comes to my mind when you say you need a job where you can work at your own pace.

Well, as far as the ASD diagnosis, that would be tricky at your age. Not saying it is impossible though.
What could I actually do in terms of self employment?? I really have no clue how to go about being self employed to be honest.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Tristyn on August 07, 2016, 02:44:12 AM
Quote from: EmilyRyan on August 07, 2016, 02:20:12 AM
What could I actually do in terms of self employment?? I really have no clue how to go about being self employed to be honest.

I'm not sure to be honest. I'm not really sure what you like to do and what jobs can be done at home. But you could look into it. Research it.

I have a neighbor who is retired now, but was self-employed her whole life pretty much as a hair stylist in a salon at her house. But that was her niche and you need to find yours.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on August 07, 2016, 03:13:44 AM
I discovered this company called Specialisterne that trains and hires people on the spectrum doing mostly things from IT to programming. Maybe there's something like that around Nashville and where I could work in IT and maybe they can train me as well.

In Colorado there's an electronics recycling place that also hires people on the spectrum to break down electronics and when I think about it I have a good history of being able to break down stuff like that (putting together though that's another story  :D). And again maybe I can find a place like that more closer by that does the same thing.

I can work a job and there's things and skills I'm capable of the trouble I truly have is finding an understandable employer that has no problem hiring people with learning disabilities and ASD and won't fire me cause they think I'm a weirdo that doesn't fit in or think I'm too slow. There's much I can offer if only employers give me a chance.


Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Tristyn on August 07, 2016, 03:31:48 AM
Quote from: EmilyRyan on August 07, 2016, 03:13:44 AM
I discovered this company called Specialisterne that trains and hires people on the spectrum doing mostly things from IT to programming. Maybe there's something like that around Nashville and where I could work in IT and maybe they can train me as well.

In Colorado there's an electronics recycling place that also hires people on the spectrum to break down electronics and when I think about it I have a good history of being able to break down stuff like that (putting together though that's another story  :D). And again maybe I can find a place like that more closer by that does the same thing.

I can work a job and there's things and skills I'm capable of the trouble I truly have is finding an understandable employer that has no problem hiring people with learning disabilities and ASD and won't fire me cause they think I'm a weirdo that doesn't fit in or think I'm too slow. There's much I can offer if only employers give me a chance.

Maybe you really ought to look into some special programs designed specifically for helping people like you find work. Like vocational rehab. I tried it but I was very resistant and ended up nowhere with it. Hopefully, you wouldn't make that same mistake. Maybe one day, I will gather the courage to try again. I'm learning that when it comes to life, some things require many tries before getting it right. And that's ok.

You said you like to break down electronic things. You ever consider maybe going into a job dealing with computers?
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on August 07, 2016, 05:10:50 AM
Quote from: Tristyn on August 07, 2016, 03:31:48 AM
Maybe you really ought to look into some special programs designed specifically for helping people like you find work. Like vocational rehab. I tried it but I was very resistant and ended up nowhere with it. Hopefully, you wouldn't make that same mistake. Maybe one day, I will gather the courage to try again. I'm learning that when it comes to life, some things require many tries before getting it right. And that's ok.

You said you like to break down electronic things. You ever consider maybe going into a job dealing with computers?
That's one thing I want to do badly and it's part of the reason why getting a diagnosis(for ASD) is crucial. I do believe I could benefit doing some type of program that'll help someone like me not only find a meaningful job but keep it as well.

I did at one point wanted to work with computers until I found out the hard way that I lack the aptitute for programming and like other ambitions I had in life went away. If there are IT jobs where knowing programming isn't essential then I would like to and like I mentioned maybe/hopefully I can find a place that'll hire someone like to do that kind of work either that or breaking down electronics for recycling.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Tristyn on August 07, 2016, 07:22:57 AM
Quote from: EmilyRyan on August 07, 2016, 05:10:50 AM
That's one thing I want to do badly and it's part of the reason why getting a diagnosis(for ASD) is crucial. I do believe I could benefit doing some type of program that'll help someone like me not only find a meaningful job but keep it as well.

I did at one point wanted to work with computers until I found out the hard way that I lack the aptitute for programming and like other ambitions I had in life went away. If there are IT jobs where knowing programming isn't essential then I would like to and like I mentioned maybe/hopefully I can find a place that'll hire someone like to do that kind of work either that or breaking down electronics for recycling.

I know I must have asked you this before, Emily, but do you have a psychiatrist by any chance? I would ask them the best way you could go about getting that diagnostic. But in my opinion, and I could be wrong, I don't think this is all that is holding you back; fear, doubt, anxiety, and many other feelings like these might be the real culprits. I'm not sure, I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on August 07, 2016, 08:36:22 AM
Quote from: Tristyn on August 07, 2016, 07:22:57 AM
I know I must have asked you this before, Emily, but do you have a psychiatrist by any chance? I would ask them the best way you could go about getting that diagnostic. But in my opinion, and I could be wrong, I don't think this is all that is holding you back; fear, doubt, anxiety, and many other feelings like these might be the real culprits. I'm not sure, I could be wrong.
I don't and have no way of seeing one as long as I'm stuck living with parents.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Devlyn on August 07, 2016, 06:49:58 PM
Quote from: EmilyRyan on August 07, 2016, 02:20:12 AM
Quote from: Tristyn on August 07, 2016, 02:04:46 AM
Have you ever considered doing self-employment? Like working from home-sort-of-thing? That's what really comes to my mind when you say you need a job where you can work at your own pace.

Well, as far as the ASD diagnosis, that would be tricky at your age. Not saying it is impossible though.
What could I actually do in terms of self employment?? I really have no clue how to go about being self employed to be honest.

Mow lawns. Paint houses. Learn plumbing. Design and install koi ponds. The beauty of self employment is that you decide what you're going to do.

Hugs, Devlyn
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Maria77 on August 07, 2016, 07:12:31 PM
When i was younger and just starting in college i got an Overnight Resident Advisor position working with MR people in a community setting.   Basically i went in circa 11pm and left at 8am.  My main tasks were getting the three clients up around 6am, medication administration (you get trained and it's mainly a few pills), help with breakfast and house keeping.  The managers were just happy if you showed up consistantly to work.  The clients became family members.   Benefits were great, pay better than minimum wage and the only human interaction besids the theee clients were the people i relieved and occasionally the house manager.   Trick is to only work overnight because the other shifts are way more involved for not much pay.   
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on August 07, 2016, 08:37:34 PM
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on August 07, 2016, 06:49:58 PM
What could I actually do in terms of self employment?? I really have no clue how to go about being self employed to be honest.


Mow lawns. Paint houses. Learn plumbing. Design and install koi ponds. The beauty of self employment is that you decide what you're going to do.

Hugs, Devlyn
I more like to do tech work with computers (except for programming and repair though I can break them down easy but that's about it) such as information technology. 
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Devlyn on August 07, 2016, 09:02:19 PM
Put on your big girl panties because work isn't always about doing what you like. It's about doing what you have to do to survive.

Hugs, Devlyn
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on August 07, 2016, 09:42:43 PM
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on August 07, 2016, 09:02:19 PM
Put on your big girl panties because work isn't always about doing what you like. It's about doing what you have to do to survive.

Hugs, Devlyn
Maybe I rather be happy too

And whats wrong with doing IT it's at least something I'm knowledgeable with and plus there's no way for me to be self employed where I live it's too rural.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Devlyn on August 07, 2016, 09:53:31 PM
If you don't like the advice disregard it.  :)
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on August 07, 2016, 10:03:10 PM
ok ok I apologize for getting on the wrong footing here
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Devlyn on August 07, 2016, 10:17:12 PM
No worries. Some people seek self employment simply because they need to do things their own way. All it takes to succeed in the world is a dream, and the determination to make your dream come true.  :)

Hugs, Devlyn
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Tristyn on August 07, 2016, 10:39:10 PM
I already suggested this before, but I would like to say it once more, but Emily, how about doing volunteer work? It's a great way to get your feet wet before jumping into the workforce and it'll make your resume look better with some experience on hand. Actually, vocational rehab can help with this too! :)
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on August 07, 2016, 11:14:01 PM
Quote from: Tristyn on August 07, 2016, 10:39:10 PM
I already suggested this before, but I would like to say it once more, but Emily, how about doing volunteer work? It's a great way to get your feet wet before jumping into the workforce and it'll make your resume look better with some experience on hand. Actually, vocational rehab can help with this too! :)
That's a thought and speaking of vocational rehab since I do have an official diagnosis for a learning disability would I qualify for vocational rehab services?? I have plans to get my resume redone by the career counseling services that's offered by my college too and some good news to share that Specialisterne company that I mentioned has a location in Nashville hopefully sometime in the near future I can get my foot in the door there and one good thing about them I hear is that you can have no experience and they train you.

But yeah the whole idea of doing vocational rehab I really like that idea maybe they can help me get a career in IT or at least toward a path in the field and if not I am still open to doing a job in electronics recycling breaking down stuff and honestly it's pretty fun to do (I've done it before in a college work study) and I like the repetitiveness.



     
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Tristyn on August 08, 2016, 12:06:51 AM
Quote from: EmilyRyan on August 07, 2016, 11:14:01 PM
That's a thought and speaking of vocational rehab since I do have an official diagnosis for a learning disability would I qualify for vocational rehab services?? I have plans to get my resume redone by the career counseling services that's offered by my college too and some good news to share that Specialisterne company that I mentioned has a location in Nashville hopefully sometime in the near future I can get my foot in the door there and one good thing about them I hear is that you can have no experience and they train you.

But yeah the whole idea of doing vocational rehab I really like that idea maybe they can help me get a career in IT or at least toward a path in the field and if not I am still open to doing a job in electronics recycling breaking down stuff and honestly it's pretty fun to do (I've done it before in a college work study) and I like the repetitiveness.



   

Sounds like you've developed a plan. Lovely! :)

I think a learning disability would qualify you for voc rehab. At least it does in Florida, but Tennessee, I am not so sure. Doesn't hurt to inquire about it. ^_^

IT and electronics really sounds like your niche. Now we are getting somewhere.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: CarlyMcx on August 08, 2016, 12:39:29 AM
Quote from: EmilyRyan on August 07, 2016, 03:13:44 AM

In Colorado there's an electronics recycling place that also hires people on the spectrum to break down electronics and when I think about it I have a good history of being able to break down stuff like that (putting together though that's another story  :D). And again maybe I can find a place like that more closer by that does the same thing.


In this day and age just about every larger city and town has a place where you drop off old electronics for recycling.  I know this because there is an old window air conditioner sitting on my garage floor that I will be taking to my local recycler at the first opportunity.  Perhaps you should see who does that in your town and see if they are hiring.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on August 08, 2016, 12:41:05 AM
Quote from: Tristyn on August 08, 2016, 12:06:51 AM
Sounds like you've developed a plan. Lovely! :)

I think a learning disability would qualify you for voc rehab. At least it does in Florida, but Tennessee, I am not so sure. Doesn't hurt to inquire about it. ^_^

IT and electronics really sounds like your niche. Now we are getting somewhere.
Yeah I finally got one coming together gradually :)

I'm sure I kind find out more about the Voc Rehab here in Tennessee from the lady at the student disability office at the college. So once classes start again (in about two weeks :D) I'll ask her all about it.

Hopefully if I can get the right support I can get a decent job in IT if not I can always fallback on finding a job with an employer that's understanding about hiring people with learning disabilities and on the spectrum (once this gets diagnosed) these type of employers do exist just gotta find them.

Anyway after tonight I'm finally feeling more hopeful than I been in a long time :) 
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on August 08, 2016, 12:44:42 AM
Quote from: CarlyMcx on August 08, 2016, 12:39:29 AM
In this day and age just about every larger city and town has a place where you drop off old electronics for recycling.  I know this because there is an old window air conditioner sitting on my garage floor that I will be taking to my local recycler at the first opportunity.  Perhaps you should see who does that in your town and see if they are hiring.
The area where I live it's done through the county downside they only outsource the work with inmates from the county jail. Luckily Nashville is only like an hour north :)
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on August 10, 2016, 04:59:41 AM
Now that I figured out some potential jobs I now need to figure out a living situation. This is where it gets real complicated I can't necessarily apply any jobs right now and then move out due to living with parents that are currently expecting me to go to school and get a teaching degree that will cause a major conflict that I don't want part of. Fact is I have to be moved out before I can even start the process of getting a job and I have potentially nowhere I can stay temporary either none of my friends are in position to let me stay and I definitely don't have enough rent money to stay longer than a month. And to put myself in another bad spot I have no transportation of my own and I'm really in no position of being able to get my driver's license either(long story).

This is where I am more clueless than ever on what to do. Could vocational rehab help with this kind of situation that's about the only social service I'm probably eligible for. I do wish the circumstance was better where I could get a job first then settle in somewhere but the way my living situation is there's no way around it.

Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: Elis on August 10, 2016, 06:13:33 AM
Bit of a long shot you could contact LGBT homeless charities or just LGBT charities or groups in general and ask if they could ask around for you to see if anyone is looking for a roommate. Many LGBT people have been in the situation you're in currently so will most likely be sympathetic towards you not having enough rent money.
Title: Re: Help with finding and keeping a job
Post by: EmilyRyan on August 10, 2016, 07:32:43 PM
Quote from: Elis on August 10, 2016, 06:13:33 AM
Bit of a long shot you could contact LGBT homeless charities or just LGBT charities or groups in general and ask if they could ask around for you to see if anyone is looking for a roommate. Many LGBT people have been in the situation you're in currently so will most likely be sympathetic towards you not having enough rent money.
Hopefully they can provide some help or at least lead to the path of getting help.

Also, thanks to a great friend on here, I do have a go fund me set up with hopes of getting donations for a safety net. If it ever reaches the goal I'll be able to afford to pay a years rent in advance while having enough left over to cover basic needs and start hrt all while I work on the goal of getting a job.