Were some people born to suffer?
Of course they are, Nero. It is not meant to happen as some may believe. It just happens. That's how biology works. Without new changes and differences, it becomes stagnant and dies.
Unfortunately, we, as thinking beings, must ponder the value of our existence. Had we not this ability, it would not matter that we are different. But we continue to ponder and evaluate. This is a good thing. Perhaps as a society, we will learn to value the thoughts and experiences from those who are born different.
Cindi
I think so Nero, but I can't elaborate as to why. Just my belief and outlook on life.
I have always tried to have a positive outlook on life. My life hasn't been the best but I try to make it better. I won't go into detail of my life, but right now I feel very greatful for what I have had. I don't thank any supernatural being either, I thank myself for working at trying to be better.
Sheila
Sins of the fathers?
Suffering is a personal choice.
Quote from: lisagurl on November 14, 2007, 07:55:22 PM
Suffering is a personal choice.
Care to elaborate on that statement?
I think the question implies there's a Teleological basis for Existence. I don't think it follows suffering is what some folks are destined and others are not. Then again, that's just me.
-- Brede
I don't think that people were born to do anything.
But some people are born into a position where suffering is more likely.
Quote from: Nero on November 14, 2007, 06:56:44 PM
Sins of the fathers?
Is one. Sins of the community. Sins of the rulers.
Plain bad luck.
Or attitude to plain bad luck.
I think so as well. However, my grandpa used to tell me, that somewhere in the world, there is often someone that has it worse than we do (no matter how bad we think our lives are..)
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Who does the very last person in that chain look to? ;)
Quote from: Pica Pica on November 14, 2007, 09:21:40 PM
Who does the very last person in that chain look to? ;)
The first? ;) :P
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Hi,
I don't believe that anyone is born to suffer. Some people do obviously suffer more and more often than others, but I would blame circumstance, not the idea that the person is destined to suffer.
Like that Indian girl who was born with 8 limbs. She underwent a serious operation to remove the extra's, but it could have gone the other way and she could of had no operation in which case she was expected to suffer more the longer she lived and eventually die in her teens.
Now, we can believe that she will always be alright and I hope she is, however, she remains at the mercy of circumstances as they happen upon her in the future, as are we all.
Did you see the biography of frida kahlo? I mean the documentary, not the film. http://www.pbs.org/weta/fridakahlo/ (http://www.pbs.org/weta/fridakahlo/) if you can see the thing, you will understand what I'm trying to say. The woman went through hell, but handled it with strength that I'm sure is beyond me.
Quote from: Nero on November 14, 2007, 08:06:52 PM
Quote from: lisagurl on November 14, 2007, 07:55:22 PM
Suffering is a personal choice.
Care to elaborate on that statement?
Is the glass half full or half empty?
What if your glass broke and lost all the liquids making it full :D
Living is to suffer, at least as a human. We experience suffering because of our thinking. We conceptualize suffering and, thus, do so. If one changes their thoughts, then perhaps one does not suffer. Certainly not so much as some who invest themselves in constant suffering.
Thanks for suffering through that.
Quote from: Nichole W. on November 15, 2007, 06:54:05 PM
Living is to suffer, at least as a human. We experience suffering because of our thinking. We conceptualize suffering and, thus, do so. If one changes their thoughts, then perhaps one does not suffer. Certainly not so much as some who invest themselves in constant suffering.
Thanks for suffering through that.
haven't we all suffered enough?
Hmmmmmmm? :laugh:
We weren't necessarily born to suffer, but suffering is a reality of life.
Luckily there is an antidote for all this suffering... pass the chocolate please ;D
y2g
Quote from: y2gender on November 16, 2007, 04:22:16 PM
We weren't necessarily born to suffer, but suffering is a reality of life.
Luckily there is an antidote for all this suffering... pass the chocolate please ;D
y2g
I already ate it all. Sorry :D
Quote from: shanetastic on November 16, 2007, 05:32:48 PM
I already ate it all. Sorry :D
NOOOOO!!!!!!!!
I'm suffering now ;)
z
I believe millions a people a year are born to suffer. When you look at the very poor that breed and have children even though they have no food to feed them. These children are born to suffer.
I believe that suffering is in the mind. Pain cannot be escaped, but we do choose whether or not to suffer. Maybe this is a question of semantics? There is a lot of pain and suffering in the world, and for those who seem to be born into it? Well, the best explanation I have ever heard is that the Law of Karma exists. We have many lifetimes, and how well off we are born depends on how good a person we were in past lives. Of course, I don't believe in reincarnation, but I probably didn't in my last lifetimes either.
as for the question
QuoteWere some people born to suffer?
The answer is - People who watch MTV were born to suffer.
Yep, Nickie has it. Pain exists as life exists. Suffering is profoundly cognitive. Hence, people suffer, often from the least things: ummmm, broken nails, traffic, 45 days of ceaseless torture in the dungeons of The Bastille, a marriage to a serial abuser.
I was born to suffer. I think we should put the difference inside of ourselves. Giving peace to the world outside of you makes you suffer.
That's why ->-bleeped-<-s never suffer.
Quote from: Kaeren on November 30, 2007, 03:02:28 PM
I was born to suffer. I think we should put the difference inside of ourselves. Giving peace to the world outside of you makes you suffer.
That's why ->-bleeped-<-s never suffer.
You really need to pare down the wording so this can be printed on Tee shirts. :) really. It's true.
Rebis,
Thanks. You're very kind towards my opinion. I really think you have a choice of changing your outside or inside world. Maybe it is my obsession but in my opinion transgendered people have made the choice ( willingly or not ) of changing the inside. One could even see it as a reward for being "good". While the penalty for being "bad" is becoming an animal again. In other words regression of your own development.
The world is never black and white, but always something inbetween. And I believe people should also be both.
I don't want to become too biblical but the path to heaven has many rocks on it and is very difficult and long. Heaven is something else for everybody. I think nature imposes some change on us. You either put this outside or you put it inside as long as there is change. But making the choice of putting it inside of you will bring you peace on the long term. Still the cost is that you have to suffer first.
In the end however all things are equal anyhow.
It's all my own personal opinion which is of course not perfect.
Karen.
As Eric Draven from "The Crow" said...."Victims aren't we all?"
I personally believe that any creature that was born on Earth was born to suffer. Now whether the amount of suffering or length of suffering happens is just based on the different types of circumstances such as location, decade, values, morals, financies, etc.
Some people get luckier than others and don't constantly suffer all of their lives (be it from self-determination, money, health, moving etc you name it) while others do.
It's just the luck of the draw I suppose.