So now that I've transitioned its ok to have big breasts. I find that I love showing as much cleavage as I can get away with- at appropriate places of course. And I love it when men talk to my bosom and I see cis women doing the same thing. Even simple things like going braless in a T shirt in public with the nipples poking through is an enormous turn on. So how about it girls? Anybody else as shameless as me?
Same here. I am shameless as in, I feel no guilt in wearing tight tops with plunging neck lines. It is just the way I developed. I do not flaunt it in order to shame any other ladies or to attract men. I love my breasts and that is that. As far as being a turn on, no not really. Big boobs are so over rated. The girls are just there, not proud or ashamed of myself. I like who I have become.
:( Ask me in a year or two.
Hugs,
Jeanette
We often hear the term... "Age Appropriate" OK Hemlines and other styles still apply. A little cleavage for "older" women is OK. Too much is just..... too much
I still have barrel chest so my breasts are "east/west" according to Victoria's Secret and cleavage would take a lot of push and squeeze to happen. I do love going braless and wearing form fitting and revealing clothes at times. Other times a baggy sweater can get me out the door faster. Some women and our apparel industry have a long history of making the most of what they own and I had been a too keen observer before transition. Now I see women in a different and broader perspective. I do love my girls and happy if someone else likes to see em too :D
guys stare at my breasts regardless of cleavage or not
I can not. :-\
barbie~~
'Nuff said?
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The only time I go braless is at home, when I leave the house I always wear a bra because you have to think of children. I don't show cleavage unless I'm at a bar/club. Even when I'm in bed with my boyfriend I wear a cami top that's tight around the boobs and loose around the waist; of course when we are having sex I go topless.
It seems like most of the hormones went to my butt. But at 54, nine months on estrogen has given me the body of a teenage girl, and I am only too willing to show it off a little (discreetly of course). I love wearing princess necklines and scoop neck tops. At 38A I don't have much cleavage, but I'm perfectly willing to cheat a little with push up bras, padding, and chicken cutlets.
I love to show them off, I feel no guilt in wearing tight tops with plunging neck lines.
I love my 36D breasts and often wear push-up bras to enhance them further. I do get men while speaking to me, who admire my breasts. They try not to make it too obvious, then all they accomplish is making it very obvious. I clubs you get many free drinks ;D. I now understand why women use there breasts as weapons, men will do anything for you if you show some good cleavage.
In the summer months I am not shy to sunbathe topless at home, but I have also been to a topless beach a number of times where I did go topless. I am actually really comfortable been naked, my friends tell me I should have been a stripper lol. Honestly if times were really tough, i properly would do it.
Quote from: noleen111 on March 03, 2017, 09:48:59 AM
I love to show them off, I feel no guilt in wearing tight tops with plunging neck lines.
I love my 36D breasts and often wear push-up bras to enhance them further. I do get men while speaking to me, who admire my breasts. They try not to make it too obvious, then all they accomplish is making it very obvious. I clubs you get many free drinks ;D. I now understand why women use there breasts as weapons, men will do anything for you if you show some good cleavage.
In the summer months I am not shy to sunbathe topless at home, but I have also been to a topless beach a number of times where I did go topless. I am actually really comfortable been naked, my friends tell me I should have been a stripper lol. Honestly if times were really tough, i properly would do it.
arnt you like 50?
Quote from: Angélique LaCava on March 03, 2017, 10:26:22 AM
arnt you like 50?
Hon, being older doesn't mean we're dead yet! Some of us older folks work hard to keep ourselves in shape. And I do mean in SHAPE.
Me:
63 years old
5'8"
137 lbs
36-28-37, and a waist nipper can get me down to 26"
Size 6 pant, 10-12 tops (shoulders ::) )
Give me a NuBra and a few minutes, particularly with bronzer and highlighters, and I'll show you some cleavage that'll get every male in the retirement home dipping one wing and circling for my attention.
Not that I'd ever do something like that. Oh, no. Not modest little ole me... :angel: >:-) :angel: >:-) :angel:
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Quote from: Angélique LaCava on March 02, 2017, 11:17:13 AM
The only time I go braless is at home, when I leave the house I always wear a bra because you have to think of children. I don't show cleavage unless I'm at a bar/club. Even when I'm in bed with my boyfriend I wear a cami top that's tight around the boobs and loose around the waist; of course when we are having sex I go topless.
Haven't you been to Europe? It's really very common to sunbathe topless, and you don't need to hide away on special beaches to do so.
I quoted the wrong post. That was in response your question about someone being 50. No, it makes no difference over here. You're just as likely to see a grandmother sunbathing topless while her grandchildren play in the waves as you are to see a 20 year old doing it.
Quote from: alex82 on March 03, 2017, 11:49:44 AM
Haven't you been to Europe? It's really very common to sunbathe topless, and you don't need to hide away on special beaches to do so.
I quoted the wrong post. That was in response your question about someone being 50. No, it makes no difference over here. You're just as likely to see a grandmother sunbathing topless while her grandchildren play in the waves as you are to see a 20 year old doing it.
Thats gross even for the 20 year old. I have issues with people seeing me in a bikini, I could never go topless.
Quote from: Angélique LaCava on March 03, 2017, 10:26:22 AM
arnt you like 50?
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Yes I am dear, 55 actually, but I've been a cross country runner all my adult life. No varicose veins here, And you?
Quote from: Rhonda333 on March 03, 2017, 12:27:36 PM
Quote from: Angélique LaCava on March 03, 2017, 10:26:22 AM
arnt you like 50?
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Yes I am dear, 55 actually, but I've been a cross country runner all my adult life. No varicose veins here, And you?
my age? I'm 22, but I also wasn't talking to you when I said "arnt you like 50"
52, still a bit heavy, but....
I pretty much do what I want. I'm not here to be anyone's "eye candy", and there's no law saying only certain ages/sizes can enjoy sunshine on one's skin. (Just keep the 30+ spf suntan lotion ready!)
Yea I really wouldn't go around with my boobs out. Maybe a low cut top or dress on a night out. Braless or naked on a beach would never happen. I like to keep it classy.
Think I have finally figured it out.
'Nuff Said?
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Quote from: Angélique LaCava on March 03, 2017, 12:33:07 PM
my age? I'm 22, but I also wasn't talking to you when I said "arnt you like 50"
I understand, I was just reacting for all of us women who are over 50- and still kicking.
Quote from: ChristineRachel on March 03, 2017, 02:17:27 PM
Yea I really wouldn't go around with my boobs out. Maybe a low cut top or dress on a night out. Braless or naked on a beach would never happen. I like to keep it classy.
Well that's fine, for you. But the final short sentence isn't really fine.
Try telling the average European woman that she has no class for sunbathing in a way that avoids tan lines, doesn't require any extra fabric than the guys are wearing, and therefore doesn't prudishly presume any sexualisation of secondary characteristics.
Without wishing to stereotype, I think you'll find the response ranges from a raised eyebrow from the Frenchwoman, through hostility from the Italianwoman, to a 'mind your own business' from the Englishwoman. With the rest of the beach judging your manners rather than theirs.
These are just cultural differences, and there's nothing gross about it. I presume, despite the puritanical social streak that American women are allowed to openly breastfeed wherever they choose? With the full support of the law, and an expectation that other people (men included) will be adult enough not to look at their breast/s.
Quote from: Wild Flower on March 03, 2017, 05:02:32 PM
Situation and location dictates it. To be honest. If I'm in an adult-only location (like a night club; I would dress like Pamela Anderson/Jennifer Lopez). If it's in the public on a lazy Sunday afternoon in a downtown environment and it's like 75-80 degrees (temperature dictates what I would wear too), I would dress like post-2010s Paris Hilton *not night club environment*, it's flirty but not that revealing. I'm not going to go around showing a lot of cleavage, and if I do show cleavage, the rest of my outfit is going to be conservative.
If it's that hot, then legs out, arms out, but no-cleavage. It makes male friendships difficult... I know it's not our fault that men like what they like, but I prefer to keep it neutral.
I'm saying this from being a normal guy wearing a tight red shirt, or tight shirts in general. (and they're not gay; it's just human nature). If a beautiful scantily-clad woman walk in front of me, I would glance at her twice, but look away. It doesn't make me attracted to her, it just makes me aware of "beauty".
Kind of hard explain.... I like men don't get me wrong. lol
Yes, it culturally and location specific. I realise that the US is more puritanical about these things. I have never seen anyone walking around a city centre on any continent doing so.
No, it does not make friendships with men difficult - there is an expectation that they will see that at the beach, and that their mother might be going and might want to do so too. Any who are not mature enough to contain themselves would not be welcome on a European beach.
Quote from: Wild Flower on March 03, 2017, 05:07:41 PM
Not to be the devil's advocate, lol.
But maybe in her "culture" environment showing a lot of skin is unclassy. This is such a cultural-dependent thread, it's like if I dress like 1954 Marilyn Monroe I would be consider a "tramp/promiscuous", but if I dress like Marilyn Monroe *fashion-wise*, I would be consider "glamourous/classic/vintage".
I think it implies a negative judgement.
And if this person travels, and shares that judgement, with those from a continent noted for being very well dressed and often elaborately mannered, they'll make no friends at best, and probably be told explicitly that unless she's from Manhattan, there is very little interest in having a discussion with an American woman about what she considers gross or lacking in class.
Quote from: Wild Flower on March 03, 2017, 05:13:32 PM
It does... I'm not going to lie here. I remember this one girl who dressed more provocative around her "male" friends while drinking, and she was flirted with a lot more than when she dress in huge bulky clothing.... she didn't like it because she consider them her friends, (she told me because I never flirted with her lol).
That's one example, it probably happens a lot more.
It doesn't... I'm not going to lie here. There's no inbuilt reason why Amerixan men do that and European men don't. That's cultural.
As you yourself said - cultural and location context is everything. I said nothing about being someone wearing revealing clothes and drinking with other drunk people on a night out. I specifically kept it to sunbathing on family beaches, or indeed, breastfeeding a baby in any location at all.
For objecting to the former, (or if you're male, openly sexualizing and staring) both the other women and men on the beach (lifeguards and all) would expect you to leave, rather than however many hundred women not fully covered up in line with what the prudes consider modest enough. And for objecting to the second, you could be arrested and charged.
Actually for reacting to the first, you could also be charged, for sexual harassment and discriminating between gender.
I think you hit the nail on the end in the use of the word provocative. What is provocative in a nightclub where alcohol is flowing, is not provocative while sunbathing.
QuoteI have never seen anyone walking around a city centre on any continent doing so.
Several years ago, a woman named Gwen Jacob, in Guelph, Ontario, Canada did just that and helped establish that it was legal to do so.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topfreedom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topfreedom)
Quote from: AnneK on March 03, 2017, 05:24:16 PM
Several years ago, a woman named Gwen Jacob, in Guelph, Ontario, Canada did just that and helped establish that it was legal to do so.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topfreedom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topfreedom)
It is very uncommon, and I personally haven't seen it. But good for her I say. These precedents are important.
Quote from: Wild Flower on March 03, 2017, 05:07:41 PM
Not to be the devil's advocate, lol.
But maybe in her "culture" environment showing a lot of skin is unclassy. This is such a cultural-dependent thread, it's like if I dress like 1954 Marilyn Monroe I would be consider a "tramp/promiscuous", but if I dress like Marilyn Monroe *fashion-wise*, I would be consider "glamourous/classic/vintage".
It's like the 1910s versus the 1920s, the flappers were consider the wild women of their times... but looking back they look quite tame. Back in the 1850s, dying your hair, and wearing too much rogue was consider "promiscuous". Back in Egyptian times, not wearing a lot of make-up mean that your were poor, and they dress scantily, but that was do to heat and all that, and the makeup help ward away disease and infections... it protected them from the elements, that's why their eyeliner was so extreme.
Being gay in Ancient Roman society wasn't a big deal either....
On homosexuality in Ancient Rome - no it was not ok, it definitely was a big deal.
You're thinking of Ancient Greece, where it wasn't a big deal if you took the active rather than the passive role. And the Romans did not approve of 'Greek practices'.
I dress pretty age appropriate if not a bit on the urban/biker sort of vibe. I don't show cleavage a lot but today for instance, i am wearing a white button up shirt and there is a bit showing.
I do go braless from time to time and i've actually had girlfriends chastise me a bit for that (ok maybe just one girlfriend), and i get it i guess but they are pretty darn firm, i guess it is just that little is left to the imagination at times.
I definitely believe in top freedom for both men and women and would not hesitate to go topless at the beaches here that allow that or lay in the sun attired that way. (actually they are mainly nude)
Quote from: noleen111 on March 04, 2017, 12:17:29 AM
err no... I am 28
oh ok. Idk why I thought you was 50. Anyway, I still don't think it's right for you to go topless; to my knowledge you have a fiancé or a boyfriend not sure which one it is, but since your not single you shouldn't be showing off body parts like that, your body should be for your significant others eyes only.
Quote from: Angélique LaCava on March 04, 2017, 12:31:10 AM
your body should be for your significant others eyes only.
Your body is
your body, it belongs to
you only and
you do whatever
you want to do with it.
And I might add: regardless your age :)
Quote from: Fresas con Nata on March 04, 2017, 05:23:19 AM
Your body is your body, it belongs to you only and you do whatever you want to do with it.
And I might add: regardless your age :)
Indeed sister :-) the only time I'm really trying to show off my sexy is at clothing - optional parties we go to a couple of times a year.
For now and the foreseeable future showing cleavage isn't a great option as I'm blessed with abundant chest hair. Maybe if I eventually sport a large B or C cup breasts I'll think about it but for now the only affect I could put out would still be pretty flat. Then again, one of the newest high tech contraptions could tip the scales on that.
I like to hint that it's there, but not actually reveal anything. I like to leave some to the imagination... I think the allure of not knowing is sexy.
I'm almost 56 and I have no problem sharing views of my girls with the people of the world. You only live once and I didn't trade one closet for another. I am me not someone who needs to be pigeonholed into a new closet because I'm a certain age. So yes, I have no problem sharing.
Has Mel Brooks wrote in the movie The Producers "That's it, baby. If you've got it, flaunt it."
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I may be in my 50's but I ain't dead.....
Quote from: Fresas con Nata on March 04, 2017, 05:23:19 AM
Your body is your body, it belongs to you only and you do whatever you want to do with it.
And I might add: regardless your age :)
its called respect. If you can flaunt your body like that in front of guys while having a significant other then that show you don't actually care about them because if you cared you would respect them enough to not do that.
Quote from: I Am Jess on March 04, 2017, 08:47:18 AM
I'm almost 56 and I have no problem sharing views of my girls with the people of the world. You only live once and I didn't trade one closet for another. I am me not someone who needs to be pigeonholed into a new closet because I'm a certain age. So yes, I have no problem sharing.
Has Mel Brooks wrote in the movie The Producers "That's it, baby. If you've got it, flaunt it."
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I may be in my 50's but I ain't dead.....
would you still be doing that if you hadn't gotten implants?
Quote from: Angélique LaCava on March 04, 2017, 10:33:27 AM
would you still be doing that if you hadn't gotten implants?
Well they probably would look different wouldn't they. You're asking a question that I really can't answer because I did get implants and I got them 6 months after I started HRT. And like ANY woman who gets implants that look good I don't mind showing them off. Everyone has different comfort levels about how they feel about their bodies and how they want to look in public. I am very comfortable, and have been from the very beginning of my transition, with who I am. Yes I have been fortunate to have resources and to live in an area that is very trans accepting so that my transition has gone very smoothly. I wish everyone could have the same experience I have had.
Quote from: noleen111 on March 04, 2017, 12:17:29 AM
err no... I am 28
It's sad that you have to defend that anyway. Even if you were 50, or 100, your tan lines are your own business. Anyone who can't help themselves for staring at a strangers body part, or acting further on whatever message they perceive they've been 'given', that's their business. And depending on what action they take, a crime in most jurisdictions.
Personally I'm uncomfortable with the implication that the male body is the private property of its owner, while the female body is a public shared commodity that extra demands and expectations are made of.
And that failure to observe those extra demands results in a free for all on everything from how grotesque you are to how much class you have to how little respect you have for your partner (and by societal implication, what you can expect to have done to you in response - ranging from public comment to much much worse, all of which, by that line of thinking, you invited). That's not a progressive idea that should be indulged any longer. Thankfully it isn't by the law at least, outside places like Saudi Arabia.
That anybody should be called gross or lacking in class for doing what they are comfortable with doing with or to their own body is not idea I expected to see here. It beggars belief that women are judged as lacking respect for their partner for how much non genital flesh is sometimes seen by others - that's lifted straight out of Saudi. You may as well go the full hog and buy a burka for all public places if you really believe that.
If American men have a problem with equality, the problem is with American men.
I ride my MC in tight skimpy clothes in summer heat all the time and at nearly 50, no-one seems to complain about the view. Granted, the winter was tough this year and I have to work off some excess weight for summer now...
There are no hard rules anymore. If you wish to be an old maid, by all means...but that is the exception anymore. It is important to understand the rules so one can more effectively break them!
Quote from: Angélique LaCava on March 04, 2017, 10:33:27 AM
would you still be doing that if you hadn't gotten implants?
Low blow, imho.
I always thought mentioning--outing--someone else's situation was considered rude.
Maybe it's different in your social circles?
Quote from: Beth Andrea on March 04, 2017, 09:59:07 PM
Low blow, imho.
I always thought mentioning--outing--someone else's situation was considered rude.
Maybe it's different in your social circles?
I've been very open here about my transition. There are a number of posts where I have discussed my FFS, breast augmentation and GCS. So there is no outing. But it was really a pointless question. I was wearing bikini tops in public within a couple months of starting HRT and before having BA. So I probably would would show them off. They just wouldn't be as nice.
It's funny though, do think as a whole leaving a little to the imagination is still a nice thing.
I am not saying that about you Jess, honestly going by those pics you posted that is mostly just high angle of the photo, and the other is on a boat so the bikini is perfectly normal, otherwise you are pretty moderate.
But some minority do show off far to much, and unfortunately reinforces some people goes that we are sexual fetish thing. Like that is it, nothing more. The most of us are not doing this but unfortunately the minority always stand out.
Even on Instagram, some have no shame. Wearing nothing with clearly obvious bulges hanging every direction.
It's understandable, the most of us can't afford or are afraid or don't want this OP yet. But you don't go showing yourself of like that. Looking for validation from creeps online.
It's also alot to do with finally being able to do what we want and being free, some just want to wear everything they couldn't wear show of their female curves, I understand this too, times I want to run around the streets naked too shouting "look at me, I'm a woman" ha but I am much more reserved
Anyway keep calm girls at the end of the day it's each to our own.
I think it's nice to stay classy :)
Quote from: ChristineRachel on March 05, 2017, 12:32:03 AM
It's funny though, do think as a whole leaving a little to the imagination is still a nice thing.
I am not saying that about you Jess, honestly going by those pics you posted that is mostly just high angle of the photo, and the other is on a boat so the bikini is perfectly normal, otherwise you are pretty moderate.
But some minority do show off far to much, and unfortunately reinforces some people goes that we are sexual fetish thing. Like that is it, nothing more. The most of us are not doing this but unfortunately the minority always stand out.
Even on Instagram, some have no shame. Wearing nothing with clearly obvious bulges hanging every direction.
It's understandable, the most of us can't afford or are afraid or don't want this OP yet. But you don't go showing yourself of like that. Looking for validation from creeps online.
It's also alot to do with finally being able to do what we want and being free, some just want to wear everything they couldn't wear show of their female curves, I understand this too, times I want to run around the streets naked too shouting "look at me, I'm a woman" ha but I am much more reserved
Anyway keep calm girls at the end of the day it's each to our own.
I think it's nice to stay classy :)
100% agree.
Quote from: Angélique LaCava on March 04, 2017, 12:31:10 AM
oh ok. Idk why I thought you was 50. Anyway, I still don't think it's right for you to go topless; to my knowledge you have a fiancé or a boyfriend not sure which one it is, but since your not single you shouldn't be showing off body parts like that, your body should be for your significant others eyes only.
I dont go regularly to a topless beach, I have been maybe twice. The other 99.9% of my topless sunbathing is done in the privacy of our home (I live with my fiancé), We have a very private area for me to sunbathe. I do have 3 other female friends that joins me from time to time (No guys are present). The reason not the sexual or slutty, I just don't like tan lines. I wear a lot outfits with straps or strapless outfits and the tan lines look funny. My fiancé does not mind the yard topless, the only person who sees me naked is my man, I even have a tattoo on my lower stomach below my panty line which is for his eyes only. Only him and my bff knows about that tattoo. (she went with me when I had it done, she also had one done).
I love my body and I am not ashamed of it. I do believe you should be appropriately dressed in public and will never dress like a slut in public (that is only for my man). The cleavage like "I am jess" shows off is fine. It is sexy but not slutty and my man has no issues with me dressing like that.
Quote from: ChristineRachel on March 05, 2017, 12:32:03 AM
I understand this too, times I want to run around the streets naked
I live in Miami and we have a nude beach here and I go about once a week. I like being nude and for everyone on the beach being nude in public is no big deal. I feel natural and liberated and nobody else cares what I wear.
We have two nude beaches (government sanctioned) here in Oregon and many other informal places to go naked, also hot springs those are often used in the buff.
If modesty and mystery is your thing than more power to you. I can totally see the motivation for that but if the opposite is your thing then have at it. The important thing as someone mentioned above is it is your choice, your body, your rules.
Oregon is just one State that enshrines the personal freedom to dress as you will. Portland features a completely legal nude bicycle ride. My local College has nude models posing for art classes. Yes we have nude beaches.
One persons response to viewing the human body is just that and they own all the implications and judgments their comments suggest. Working with domestic violence and sexual assault survivors we know that victim shamming often starts with "well what were you wearing then"?
Perhaps "show them off" is a loaded a term that suggests arousal and provocation to some folks here? Having a more female form with curves is something we reasonably celebrate. The person I show them off to most often is me and I believe most women dress to please themselves and other women too.
This is a support site. Let's chill out on the judgments please.
I live in Oregon, and nudity tends not to be a big deal here. I can and have gone topless at various outdoor events, and many of the camp-outs and spiritual groups I attend have various clothing-optional situations in which people both male and female, and otherwise identified, are free to wear as little or as much as they choose. I find nothing sexual or "slutty" about it and neither does anybody else. It's just a way to be a bit closer to nature and to allow us to be human without all the extra trappings. At no point have any of my male friends made me feel uncomfortable or behaved inappropriately. It's not a sexual situation and you are not there to judge anybody's body. And yes, they know I am trans. I'm not "showing off" anything, I am just being me.
For the record, I also have a husband (who I indeed "respect") but he is fine with this and has occasionally been nude as well when the situation dictates. He's secure enough in himself and our love that he doesn't feel the least bit threatened, and he respects ME enough to know that my body is MINE and that I can dress or not dress as I see fit. I don't like this idea that women who wear little are "flaunting" anything or otherwise have some sort of sexual (and presumably immoral?) agenda. Why are men not held to the same standard? Trust me, if I want to be sexy I tend to dress up MORE, not less, as I think sexy clothes and makeup tend to look a lot more come-hither than the unadorned naked human body.
I am disappointed with where this thread has gone.
I believe it started out as a simple "Are you proud of your endowments you have achieved?" (regardless of how) to a series of judgemental opinions and moralizing. I personally detest such holier than thou attitudes.
Saddness :(
Jeanette
Quote from: JeanetteLW on March 05, 2017, 12:30:28 PM
I am disappointed with where this thread has gone.
I believe it started out as a simple "Are you proud of your endowments you have achieved?" (regardless of how) to a series of judgemental opinions and moralizing. I personally detest such holier than thou attitudes.
Saddness :(
Jeanette
actually if I read right it started off talking about how they like guys looking at them etc etc.
Quote from: Tessa James on March 05, 2017, 11:14:12 AM
Oregon is just one State that enshrines the personal freedom to dress as you will. Portland features a completely legal nude bicycle ride. My local College has nude models posing for art classes. Yes we have nude beaches.
One persons response to viewing the human body is just that and they own all the implications and judgments their comments suggest. Working with domestic violence and sexual assault survivors we know that victim shamming often starts with "well what were you wearing then"?
Perhaps "show them off" is a loaded a term that suggests arousal and provocation to some folks here? Having a more female form with curves is something we reasonably celebrate. The person I show them off to most often is me and I believe most women dress to please themselves and other women too.
This is a support site. Let's chill out on the judgments please.
Fabulous post from Tessa.
Agree totally, and the middle paragraph is beautiful, and important.
There are implications to some of the judgements floating around about women's bodies, and none of them are progressive or helpful ones.
The idea that only 'sluts' who 'don't respect their men' don't always fully cover up, or wear 'bulky clothing' to fend off third parties is so appalling. I hoped society as a whole had started to move beyond this. If that's how women as a class are still being judged, then it's no wonder trans are encountering more and more problems, awkwardly caught in the crosshairs of these 1950's sentiments.
Quote from: JeanetteLW on March 05, 2017, 12:30:28 PM
I am disappointed with where this thread has gone.
I believe it started out as a simple "Are you proud of your endowments you have achieved?" (regardless of how) to a series of judgemental opinions and moralizing. I personally detest such holier than thou attitudes.
Saddness :(
Jeanette
I don't know that I am sad Jeanette, I think it's become an interesting discussion about women's basic rights as humans in a free society. For that, it's much more illuminating than some of the stuff about nail polish and lace bras. It's important to join the (sadly ongoing) fight for women to have a right not to be viewed through male sexual prisms, and then held to higher societal and legal standards because of it.
There are discussions and there is judgement of others... I enjoy discussions.
Jeanette
Quote from: JeanetteLW on March 05, 2017, 01:30:06 PM
There are discussions and there is judgement of others... I enjoy discussions.
Jeanette
It's good that these things come out in the wash.
Look at the wonderful posts from people like Tessa and AutumnLeaves, full of measure and reflection. We wouldn't have had that if this page wasn't the way it had been.
wow Agree Jeanette. As the OP I never intended this to discuss appearing nude in public or indeed exposing anything that would not be available for show at a cocktail party. Certainly I didn't expect vitriol. I expected others like me would enjoy showing their accomplishments to others
I live in Los Angeles and I'm pretty conservative compared to so many other ladies. I'm sure I will be seeing lots of ladies flaunting it tonight when I attend the TEA Show. (That's the Transgender Erotica Awards Show) When I was at the pre party I saw some amazing trans ladies who looked so hot! So as Christine said I very moderate.
Having an open and honest discussion can sometimes make people uncomfortable. I haven't felt uncomfortable at all in this discussion because nobody gets to make judgments about me, but me. I have learned that other people have opinions but the only one that counts with me is mine. Once you have freed yourself of having to have validation from others you can truly feel freedom.
It's true what you girls have pointed out about being proud of who we are as women. Ther is nothing wrong with being a little less dressed when Its summer time or we are at the beach is perfectly fine.
The title of the thread was "show them off" not be proud of your body.
It's not exactly the same, close but not exactly.
I have seen many examples of people well and truly over stepping the line, on Instagram and real life too.
It is not nice in anyway, and both trans and cis women can end up here, it's worse for the image some people have in there heads though of trans people, cause they see us as weird or sexual objects. It's like the time a trans woman atacked someone with an axe in Australia, People straight away think up in there minds that trans people are twisted and they wouldn't trust them, when in reality there is much more violence from cis people than trans people, and also just because you are trans does not mean you are a good person.
The minority can do something much hurt.
But anyway, what photos wher posted here where perfect my fine nothing rong with a low cut top
Even here if someone posts a pic like this it's tooken down right away.
Quote from: ChristineRachel on March 05, 2017, 01:50:58 PM
It's true what you girls have pointed out about being proud of who we are as women. Ther is nothing wrong with being a little less dressed when Its summer time or we are at the beach is perfectly fine.
The title of the thread was "show them off" not be proud of your body.
It's not exactly the same, close but not exactly.
I have seen many examples of people well and truly over stepping the line, on Instagram and real life too.
It is not nice in anyway, and both trans and cis women can end up here, it's worse for the image some people have in there heads though of trans people, cause they see us as weird or sexual objects. It's like the time a trans woman atacked someone with an axe in Australia, People straight away think up in there minds that trans people are twisted and they wouldn't trust them, when in reality there is much more violence from cis people than trans people, and also just because you are trans does not mean you are a good person.
The minority can do something much hurt.
But anyway, what photos wher posted here where perfect my fine nothing rong with a low cut top
Even here if someone posts a pic like this it's tooken down right away.
I didn't think we were having a conversation reduced to trans women at all, but about all women. I found much of this thread to be more in line (or rather, out of line) with feminist themes and debates that have been ongoing for decades.
This is a much broader discussion, and the things that have been alluded to or explicitly said are not new or solely focused on trans people. The judgements going on here do have an extensive political background which can be engaged with.
At the moment, I don't have much to show off (I'm maybe 50 AA if I'm lucky.) Maybe after a few more years on HRT....
But I don't think I'm likely to ever want to "show them off." I've never been very comfortable with my body, nor with being the center of attention. For that matter, I'm not comfortable showing even the non-physical parts of myself except with people who I know well and trust. I think I mostly want bigger breasts so that I can feel like I look more like a woman, to make up for my rather unfeminine build.
That said, I'm not going to tell other women what they should or should not expose. I might have trouble keeping from sneaking peeks, but hopefully that just goes with the territory.
As for what's "classy" or not, or any of that other stuff: I have way too much to deal with in my own life to even have an opinion on the social quality of what other women wear.
If it's not bad to show off your body then why do the mods on this forum frown upon it? Me personally if it was for educational purposes I wouldn't mind getting naked for example if it was to show people what hrt can do. So if y'all want to flaunt so bad talk to the mods and ask them to make an 18 and older section so children can't see it.
Quote from: alex82 on March 05, 2017, 01:55:13 PM
I didn't think we were having a conversation reduced to trans women at all, but about all women. I found much of this thread to be more in line (or rather, out of line) with feminist themes and debates that have been ongoing for decades.
This is a much broader discussion, and the things that have been alluded to or explicitly said are not new or solely focused on trans people. The judgements going on here do have an extensive political background which can be engaged with.
Thank you for recognizing the significance of this discussion being part of important feminist themes. I have longed for more of this honestly and feel grateful no mods have yet felt the need to "lock her up" ;)
I hope we can continue to share here and consider that many transgender people may arrive at this place after inhabiting completely different gender roles with the original equipment. I was once a confused teenager with a useless but urgent testosterone fueled libido that made no sense to me at the time. I so wanted to both have and observe breasts and spent more than a few moments appreciating the many splendored wonders all around.
Who we are today might allow us a seasoned perspective on what it means and how it feels to be a person with breasts that are the source of so much attention. Several of the very public events I enjoy include the Pride and Dyke Parades and festivals such as the Oregon Country Fair. Thousands of women, cis and trans, choose to be topless for any number of reasons. For some it may be a political statement or simple freedom calling.
What calls you to dress your way?
Tessa - I love the Oregon Country Fair :) Can't wait to go again this year.
It is an interesting discussion. As to why nudity is ok in some places as we have mentioned and not ok in other places and considered "adult" is a very uneven line. Likely because we humans have a tendency to go overboard at the drop of a hat (or top). We also have this habit of sexualization of pretty much anything.
My style is my style because i like it. I try to be current but within that band, i tend toward a certain look that many women would never go for. Body shaming and body image are very important feminist and progressive subjects, as such a place like this needs to tread carefully. I can't really tell anyone what is appropriate for them to wear, if they ask suggestions ok maybe then and even then sometimes i have to goggle for a broader opinion.
Someone on another forum was talking about wearing hose with open toed shoes and i felt the cringe thing coming on until i googled and found a few narrow instances where it works, and even so who i am to tell them they can't wear what they want?
I've never been to a nude beach but I wonder if it would be more or less comfortable as it's not like everyone on it is nude and you probably find yourself looking at anything but other people so as not to be seen as a perv.
I don't have a problem with anyone wanting to be nude or show a lot off but I sure hope they're not surprised if they find it makes people act a bit weird around them or turns people on. I mean, it's going to, some of the time.
Quote from: Kylo on March 05, 2017, 05:43:22 PM
I've never been to a nude beach but I wonder if it would be more or less comfortable as it's not like everyone on it is nude and you probably find yourself looking at anything but other people so as not to be seen as a perv.
I don't have a problem with anyone wanting to be nude or show a lot off but I sure hope they're not surprised if they find it makes people act a bit weird around them or turns people on. I mean, it's going to, some of the time.
Hi Kylo,
I had to chuckle reading your post. I live in Oregon and here we have several clothes optional areas. I personally have not been to a nude beach but as I understand it most of those places are at least semi-private and well labeled as clothing optional.
I have been to a clothing optional hot spring one day on an outing with my then teenage nephews. Being there didn't bother me whatsoever just as our being there had no discernible effect on those without clothes. They simple don't care about those around them and how they are perceived by others so long as they are allowed to do what they do in peace.
As expected it did have a humorous effect on my young nephews. I think it made their day.
Live and let live is a good policy
Hugs,
Jeanette
One thing about public nudity from my experience, is that it loses its titilation factor in about 10 minutes. Whoosh gone...no matter who is standing in front of you.
Fashion is sort of like that too. Nobody things twice about baring an ankle now and 100 yrs ago it was quite a naughty statement. However since the mystery factor still exists within fashion, it takes a while to get used to the same sort of thing.
Well to answer what the thread intending to ask, I don't have much to show off lol Im a small B, mostly because of width and not because of how far they protrude :'( However I am very proud of my little bewbs lol
I will go braless sometimes to the mall, club, grocery store or wherever. Of course I make sure you can't see my nipples through my shirt. I went to a club the other night with a nice dress and no bra and it looked really cute(With my boyfriend). He loves that I like to show off my body. I'm a hard critic on myself and I know when I look like what others would consider "slutty" and I really couldn't care less. I go out sometimes and say yup this is going to garner a lot of attention, but Oh well. I like how I look. I have a nice body. I'm not trying to please or displease anyone and if anyone wants to judge, then go right ahead. Unless I'm going to a club, then I have to dress better than all the other women lol Someone will always judge you :) I look for reasons to not wear clothes or wear as little as possible. I feel too confined in clothing. Everyone has their own opinion. Doesn't mean you have to listen to it lol I'm 29 by the way :) I wear what I want when I want. I spent my whole life trying to fulfill a role to please others. That part of my life is over :D
I have semi-large breasts, I am married and have been for a long time, so, like Angélique says. I have too much respect for my wife to go out showing them off and indicating that they are for anyone but her. That is my feeling on the breast show. If I were single, then maybe it would be different. To each their own, though. :D
Last night I attended the TEA Show (Transgender Erotica Awards Show - basically the trans porn awards) in LA. I wore this one shoulder dress and a couple of times my left boob popped out accidentally. It was no big deal and I don't think anyone really noticed.
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Double sided "fashion" or medical tape. Handy for all sorts of wardrobe or "hair" malfunctions!
Yes. I keep some in my bag.
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Quote from: Michelle_P on March 06, 2017, 02:22:02 PM
Double sided "fashion" or medical tape. Handy for all sorts of wardrobe or "hair" malfunctions!
Thanks for the info! I actually thought of that after the fact.
This is the first time I've had this issue "pop" up (out). I think the girls are definitely filling in more. I actually usually wear a bra or other supportive clothing so this was something of a first for me. I guess I need to be a little more prepared. I actually had a wrap on most of the evening because of the cold and that pretty much covered up the malfunctions.
The tape won't help on my hair because 99.9% of the time I'm all natural hair. I only wear wigs on very few infrequent occasions when I play dress up in costume.
I love to show off my bra under a sheer top. Not cleavage as such, but with my band and straps being clearly visible as I move.
I wear really feminine lacy bras, and I prefer the ones with half-adjustable straps, so that the buckles and clasps sit on my shoulders and are really obvious under my top.
I try to wear a snowy white bra under any top, it looks so cool and fresh. But they quickly go grey in the wash!
Wow no offense to anyone, but some of y'all need morals.
Okay friends :police:
Y'alls shipwrecked another fine topic
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