How many show them off?

[Beth Andrea]

would you still be doing that if you hadn't gotten implants?

Low blow, imho.

I always thought mentioning--outing--someone else's situation was considered rude.

Maybe it's different in your social circles?

[I Am Jess]

Low blow, imho.

I always thought mentioning--outing--someone else's situation was considered rude.

Maybe it's different in your social circles?

I've been very open here about my transition. There are a number of posts where I have discussed my FFS, breast augmentation and GCS.  So there is no outing. But it was really a pointless question. I was wearing bikini tops in public within a couple months of starting HRT and before having BA. So I probably would would show them off. They just wouldn't be as nice.

[Rachel_Christina]

It's funny though,  do think as a whole leaving a little to the imagination is still a nice thing.
I am not saying that about you Jess, honestly going by those pics you posted that is mostly just high angle of the photo, and the other is on a boat so the bikini is perfectly normal, otherwise you are pretty moderate.
But some minority do show off far to much, and unfortunately reinforces some people goes that we are sexual fetish thing. Like that is it, nothing more. The most of us are not doing this but unfortunately the minority always stand out.
Even on Instagram, some have no shame. Wearing nothing with clearly obvious bulges hanging every direction.
It's understandable, the most of us can't afford or are afraid or don't want this OP yet. But you don't go showing yourself of like that. Looking for validation from creeps online.
It's also alot to do with finally being able to do what we want and being free, some just want to wear everything they couldn't wear show of their female curves, I understand this too, times I want to run around the streets naked too shouting "look at me, I'm a woman" ha but I am much more reserved
Anyway keep calm girls at the end of the day it's each to our own.
I think it's nice to stay classy

[Angélique LaCava]

It's funny though,  do think as a whole leaving a little to the imagination is still a nice thing.
I am not saying that about you Jess, honestly going by those pics you posted that is mostly just high angle of the photo, and the other is on a boat so the bikini is perfectly normal, otherwise you are pretty moderate.
But some minority do show off far to much, and unfortunately reinforces some people goes that we are sexual fetish thing. Like that is it, nothing more. The most of us are not doing this but unfortunately the minority always stand out.
Even on Instagram, some have no shame. Wearing nothing with clearly obvious bulges hanging every direction.
It's understandable, the most of us can't afford or are afraid or don't want this OP yet. But you don't go showing yourself of like that. Looking for validation from creeps online.
It's also alot to do with finally being able to do what we want and being free, some just want to wear everything they couldn't wear show of their female curves, I understand this too, times I want to run around the streets naked too shouting "look at me, I'm a woman" ha but I am much more reserved
Anyway keep calm girls at the end of the day it's each to our own.
I think it's nice to stay classy

100% agree.

[noleen111]

oh ok. Idk why I thought you was 50. Anyway, I still don't think it's right for you to go topless;  to my knowledge you have a fiancé or a boyfriend not sure which one it is, but since your not single you shouldn't be showing off body parts like that,  your body should be for your significant others eyes only.

I dont go regularly to a topless beach, I have been maybe twice. The other 99.9% of my topless sunbathing is done in the privacy of  our home (I live with my fiancé), We have a very private area for me to sunbathe. I do have 3 other female friends that joins me from time to time (No guys are present). The reason not the sexual or slutty, I just don't like tan lines. I wear a lot outfits with straps or strapless outfits and the tan lines look funny. My fiancé does not mind the yard topless, the only person who sees me naked is my man, I even have a tattoo on my lower stomach below my panty line which is for his eyes only. Only him and my bff knows about that tattoo. (she went with me when I had it done, she also had one done).

I love my body and I am not ashamed of it. I do believe you should be appropriately dressed in public and will never dress like a slut in public (that is only for my man). The cleavage like "I am jess" shows off is fine. It is sexy but not slutty and my man has no issues with me dressing like that.

[Dani]

I understand this too, times I want to run around the streets naked

I live in Miami and we have a nude beach here and I go about once a week. I like being nude and for everyone on the beach being nude in public is no big deal. I feel natural and liberated and nobody else cares what I wear.

[RobynD]

We have two nude beaches (government sanctioned) here in Oregon and many other informal places to go naked, also hot springs those are often used in the buff.

If modesty and mystery is your thing than more power to you. I can totally see the motivation for that but if the opposite is your thing then have at it. The important thing as someone mentioned above is it is your choice, your body, your rules.

[Tessa James]

Oregon is just one State that enshrines the personal freedom to dress as you will.  Portland features a completely legal nude bicycle ride.  My local College has nude models posing for art classes.  Yes we have nude beaches.

One persons response to viewing the human body is just that and they own all the implications and judgments their comments suggest.  Working with domestic violence and sexual assault survivors we know that victim shamming often starts with "well what were you wearing then"?

Perhaps "show them off" is a loaded a term that suggests arousal and provocation to some folks here?  Having a more female form with curves is something we reasonably celebrate.  The person I show them off to most often is me and I believe most women dress to please themselves and other women too.

This is a support site.  Let's chill out on the judgments please.

[AutumnLeaves]

I live in Oregon, and nudity tends not to be a big deal here. I can and have gone topless at various outdoor events, and many of the camp-outs and spiritual groups I attend have various clothing-optional situations in which people both male and female, and otherwise identified, are free to wear as little or as much as they choose. I find nothing sexual or "slutty" about it and neither does anybody else. It's just a way to be a bit closer to nature and to allow us to be human without all the extra trappings. At no point have any of my male friends made me feel uncomfortable or behaved inappropriately. It's not a sexual situation and you are not there to judge anybody's body. And yes, they know I am trans. I'm not "showing off" anything, I am just being me.

For the record, I also have a husband (who I indeed "respect") but he is fine with this and has occasionally been nude as well when the situation dictates. He's secure enough in himself and our love that he doesn't feel the least bit threatened, and he respects ME enough to know that my body is MINE and that I can dress or not dress as I see fit. I don't like this idea that women who wear little are "flaunting" anything or otherwise have some sort of sexual (and presumably immoral?) agenda. Why are men not held to the same standard? Trust me, if I want to be sexy I tend to dress up MORE, not less, as I think sexy clothes and makeup tend to look a lot more come-hither than the unadorned naked human body.

[JeanetteLW]

  I am disappointed with where this thread has gone.

  I believe it started out as a simple "Are you proud of your endowments you have achieved?"  (regardless of how) to a series of judgemental opinions and moralizing. I personally detest such holier than thou attitudes.

  Saddness
   Jeanette

[Angélique LaCava]

  I am disappointed with where this thread has gone.

  I believe it started out as a simple "Are you proud of your endowments you have achieved?"  (regardless of how) to a series of judgemental opinions and moralizing. I personally detest such holier than thou attitudes.

  Saddness
   Jeanette

actually if I read right it started off talking about how they like guys looking at them etc etc.

[alex82]

Oregon is just one State that enshrines the personal freedom to dress as you will.  Portland features a completely legal nude bicycle ride.  My local College has nude models posing for art classes.  Yes we have nude beaches.

One persons response to viewing the human body is just that and they own all the implications and judgments their comments suggest.  Working with domestic violence and sexual assault survivors we know that victim shamming often starts with "well what were you wearing then"?

Perhaps "show them off" is a loaded a term that suggests arousal and provocation to some folks here?  Having a more female form with curves is something we reasonably celebrate.  The person I show them off to most often is me and I believe most women dress to please themselves and other women too.

This is a support site.  Let's chill out on the judgments please.

Fabulous post from Tessa.

Agree totally, and the middle paragraph is beautiful, and important.

There are implications to some of the judgements floating around about women's bodies, and none of them are progressive or helpful ones.

The idea that only 'sluts' who 'don't respect their men' don't always fully cover up, or wear 'bulky clothing' to fend off third parties is so appalling. I hoped society as a whole had started to move beyond this. If that's how women as a class are still being judged, then it's no wonder trans are encountering more and more problems, awkwardly caught in the crosshairs of these 1950's sentiments.

[alex82]

  I am disappointed with where this thread has gone.

  I believe it started out as a simple "Are you proud of your endowments you have achieved?"  (regardless of how) to a series of judgemental opinions and moralizing. I personally detest such holier than thou attitudes.

  Saddness
   Jeanette

I don't know that I am sad Jeanette, I think it's become an interesting discussion about women's basic rights as humans in a free society. For that, it's much more illuminating than some of the stuff about nail polish and lace bras. It's important to join the (sadly ongoing) fight for women to have a right not to be viewed through male sexual prisms, and then held to higher societal and legal standards because of it.

[JeanetteLW]

   There are discussions and there is judgement of others... I enjoy discussions.

Jeanette

[alex82]

   There are discussions and there is judgement of others... I enjoy discussions.

Jeanette

It's good that these things come out in the wash.

Look at the wonderful posts from people like Tessa and AutumnLeaves, full of measure and reflection. We wouldn't have had that if this page wasn't the way it had been.

[Rhonda333]

wow Agree Jeanette. As the OP I never intended this to discuss appearing nude in public or indeed exposing anything that would not be available for show at a cocktail party. Certainly I didn't expect vitriol. I expected others like me would enjoy showing their accomplishments to others

[I Am Jess]

I live in Los Angeles and I'm pretty conservative compared to so many other ladies. I'm sure I will be seeing lots of ladies flaunting it tonight when I attend the TEA Show. (That's the Transgender Erotica Awards Show)  When I was at the pre party I saw some amazing trans ladies who looked so hot!  So as Christine said I very moderate.

Having an open and honest discussion can sometimes make people uncomfortable. I haven't felt uncomfortable at all in this discussion because nobody gets to make judgments about me, but me. I have learned that other people have opinions but the only one that counts with me is mine. Once you have freed yourself of having to have validation from others you can truly feel freedom. 

[Rachel_Christina]

It's true what you girls have pointed out about being proud of who we are as women. Ther is nothing wrong with being a little less dressed when Its summer time or we are at the beach is perfectly fine.
The title of the thread was "show them off" not be proud of your body.
It's not exactly the same, close but not exactly.
I have seen many examples of people well and truly over stepping the line, on Instagram and real life too.
It is not nice in anyway, and both trans and cis women can end up here, it's worse for the image some people have in there heads though of trans people, cause they see us as weird or sexual objects. It's like the time a trans woman atacked someone with an axe in Australia, People straight away think up in there minds that trans people are twisted and they wouldn't trust them, when in reality there is much more violence from cis people than trans people, and also just because you are trans does not mean you are a good person.
The minority can do something much hurt.
But anyway, what photos wher posted here where perfect my fine nothing rong with a low cut top

Even here if someone posts a pic like this it's tooken down right away.

[alex82]

It's true what you girls have pointed out about being proud of who we are as women. Ther is nothing wrong with being a little less dressed when Its summer time or we are at the beach is perfectly fine.
The title of the thread was "show them off" not be proud of your body.
It's not exactly the same, close but not exactly.
I have seen many examples of people well and truly over stepping the line, on Instagram and real life too.
It is not nice in anyway, and both trans and cis women can end up here, it's worse for the image some people have in there heads though of trans people, cause they see us as weird or sexual objects. It's like the time a trans woman atacked someone with an axe in Australia, People straight away think up in there minds that trans people are twisted and they wouldn't trust them, when in reality there is much more violence from cis people than trans people, and also just because you are trans does not mean you are a good person.
The minority can do something much hurt.
But anyway, what photos wher posted here where perfect my fine nothing rong with a low cut top

Even here if someone posts a pic like this it's tooken down right away.

I didn't think we were having a conversation reduced to trans women at all, but about all women. I found much of this thread to be more in line (or rather, out of line) with feminist themes and debates that have been ongoing for decades.

This is a much broader discussion, and the things that have been alluded to or explicitly said are not new or solely focused on trans people. The judgements going on here do have an extensive political background which can be engaged with.

[Asche]

At the moment, I don't have much to show off (I'm maybe 50 AA if I'm lucky.)  Maybe after a few more years on HRT....

But I don't think I'm likely to ever want to "show them off."  I've never been very comfortable with my body, nor with being the center of attention.  For that matter, I'm not comfortable showing even the non-physical parts of myself except with people who I know well and trust.  I think I mostly want bigger breasts so that I can feel like I look more like a woman, to make up for my rather unfeminine build.

That said, I'm not going to tell other women what they should or should not expose.  I might have trouble keeping from sneaking peeks, but hopefully that just goes with the territory.

As for what's "classy" or not, or any of that other stuff: I have way too much to deal with in my own life to even have an opinion on the social quality of what other women wear.