Ok, so I was going to do a poll on this, but I figured that the answers would be so varied it would just be easier to post it here. I'm really noticing how broad my shoulders are and I'm curious to see how they compare to others. Do many of us have this problem? I've lost a lot of weight, but it seems like my upper body doesn't really burn that much fat when I lose weight. So, I was trying to get an idea of height compared to shoulder circumference. I should probably compare weight too, but there's no way I'm asking people to post their weight on here! So, I'm 5'6" and I measured my shoulder circumference right at the top of the shoulders and they were....45"...GASP!!! I think there are NFL players with smaller shoulder circumference than me, lol. Anyway, just curious what other people are at :) Meghan
I'm confused haha. Exactly how do you measure shoulder circumference. . . is it like measuring your around your like arms and upper body or something?
Sorry, you just take a tape measure, put it around your shoulders, above your chest, just before you get to the top of the shoulders (basically above the bicep) and wrap it around your back and then back around. Keep your arms as close to your side as possible or it will make the circumference appear larger because your arms will be out a little. It's easiest with a fabric tape measure.
oh that makes sense :P
I did it for fun because I'm bored right now haha. But I'm 6' and it came out to ~40 inches. No idea what it means, but whatever lol.
Here is a website I was looking through and read your post and thought it might be helpful.
http://www.secondtype.com/bodysize.htm
Hope this helps,
Anna
I measured my shoulder circumference. At the top of the shoulders mine is 51 inches. I am post op and been on hormones for 8 years now. I have also lost some weight-60 lbs. I'm 5'9"
Sheila
Mine is 43 inch, still got plenty of muscles to lose. Was 48 inch 18 months ago.
The male average is about 46 inch in the US (though its probably a bit higher than
that since this counts older individuals). I'm 6 foot tall, bellow my bust I'm near 30 inch,
so there is quite a difference there with my shoulders.
I think the height to width ratio is as important as absolute width.
That's how the brain does a quick assement, saying if something is blocky
or thin.
Quote from: Keira on January 07, 2008, 08:07:52 PM
I think the height to width ratio is as important as absolute width.
That's how the brain does a quick assement, saying if something is blocky
or thin.
As in like height to width for shoulder circumference or something? I think I'm having an I understand nothing day. . . Can you explain in dumb terms for me :)
And is the male is ~ 46 inch. . . what's the average female estimated you think?
Quote from: Keira on January 07, 2008, 08:07:52 PM
still got plenty of muscles to lose.
muscles are a bit tougher to lose than fat- that true?
ps..keep doing the cardio, stretches, drinking water, eating healthy and work it girl!
Shane, I meant shoulder width from the front or back, not circumference.
Circumference is also more a function of muscles and other soft tissues
since the back muscle and
shoulder muscle count for much. The good thing is that they can be lost.
Males tend to store fats in the back which should also be lost.
Quote from: Keira on January 07, 2008, 09:07:22 PM
Shane, I meant shoulder width from the front or back, not circumference.
Circumference is also more a function of muscles and other soft tissues
since the back muscle and
shoulder muscle count for much. The good thing is that they can be lost.
Males tend to store fats in the back which should also be lost.
Thanks Keira! I may have a chance at understanding now, eh? :)
I had a LOT of muscles pre-HRT. Just imagine this, my under bust measure has come down 5 inch already!! I had 39.5 inch bust despite my under bust measure being 30 inch now and still going down!! You can imagine that it takes a lot of pect and back muscles to make this 9.5 inch.
My right bicep was 13.5 inch, left one 12.5 inch with lots of tone, very lean.
Not very big, but bigger than average male.
Are we again seeking to define the perfect female symmetry and measurements? Is the purpose of threads like this to make others whose measurements don't exactly fit that "ideal" feel less-than-feminine? I truly wonder.
When will we have a thread that says, "Nanny-nanny-pooh-pooh, I'm more femme than you-oo!!"? It can't be far away.
I don't know what my shoulder circumference is and I don't consider it a problem. Grandmother Estrogen has treated me well. I have a band size of 46 inches with a full C-cup, so I have a nice, easy-to-see "shelf."
My hips are about 48 with thighs and legs that have a nice taper and curvature.
When my waist is where I want it I will be more than happy with myself. I'm happy right now. The next stop for me is being ecstatic with myself.
Shall we measure in fractals?
BTW, I don't play pro football, thank you. I don't even play minor league.
Wing Walker
Quote from: Wing Walker on January 08, 2008, 01:50:36 AM
Are we again seeking to define the perfect female symmetry and measurements? Is the purpose of threads like this to make others whose measurements don't exactly fit that "ideal" feel less-than-feminine? I truly wonder.
When will we have a thread that says, "Nanny-nanny-pooh-pooh, I'm more femme than you-oo!!"? It can't be far away.
I don't know what my shoulder circumference is and I don't consider it a problem. Grandmother Estrogen has treated me well. I have a band size of 46 inches with a full C-cup, so I have a nice, easy-to-see "shelf."
My hips are about 48 with thighs and legs that have a nice taper and curvature.
When my waist is where I want it I will be more than happy with myself. I'm happy right now. The next stop for me is being ecstatic with myself.
Shall we measure in fractals?
BTW, I don't play pro football, thank you. I don't even play minor league.
Wing Walker
Hey Wing Walker,
I think it was just for informational use; as I don't think anything is a "true" feminine measurement. I think most if not everyone realizes the power of variance in the world. No one is exactly ever the same, so I don't think anything can be defined "true" except for averages of course. Either way, I always enjoy the "I'm happy and don't care" attitude even more :D If everyone thought like that, there would be no purpose for all these averages and junk! :P
Quote from: Wing Walker on January 08, 2008, 01:50:36 AM
Are we again seeking to define the perfect female symmetry and measurements? Is the purpose of threads like this to make others whose measurements don't exactly fit that "ideal" feel less-than-feminine? I truly wonder.
When will we have a thread that says, "Nanny-nanny-pooh-pooh, I'm more femme than you-oo!!"? It can't be far away.
I don't know what my shoulder circumference is and I don't consider it a problem. Grandmother Estrogen has treated me well. I have a band size of 46 inches with a full C-cup, so I have a nice, easy-to-see "shelf."
My hips are about 48 with thighs and legs that have a nice taper and curvature.
When my waist is where I want it I will be more than happy with myself. I'm happy right now. The next stop for me is being ecstatic with myself.
Shall we measure in fractals?
BTW, I don't play pro football, thank you. I don't even play minor league.
Wing Walker
Wing Walker, I'm sorry if my post seemed hurtful or misintentioned, it really wasn't I promise that. I would never knowingly do that to anyone here. I should not have used the term "linebacker" and I apologize for that, it was a stupid thing to say. I am just trying to figure some things out, I'm not as far along as most of you. I am just trying to get an idea of how much muscle I might lose and how my muscle ratio compares to other people, that's all. I really, sincerely didn't mean for anyone to take offense to my question. I usually post in my Blog where I feel a little safer posting. I kind of feel like that's my safe zone to post whatever I want, but I'm trying to be a little more public in the forums too.
Please just bear with me, I'll figure it out sooner or later, Meghan
Hi shanetastic I'm 5'3" 120 lbs and been like that all my life. Shorter then most average women. That use to bug me at one time, now I am happy to be who I am and I am Woman A mischievous one at that. I hope I never grow up, grown up is boring. ;D
Cindy
Quote from: cindybc on January 08, 2008, 02:15:00 AM
Hi shanetastic I'm 5'3" 120 lbs and been like that all my life. Shorter then most average women. That use to bug me at one time, now I am happy to be who I am and I am Woman A mischievous one at that. I hope I never grow up, grown up is boring. ;D
Cindy
I agree Cindy, growing up is boring. The only cool thing to do with your life is live it and keep staying young, right!?!? :D
Yep, your right. Wanna share this bag of marbles with me?
Cindy
Quote from: cindybc on January 08, 2008, 02:20:07 AM
Yep, your right. Wanna share this bag of marbles with me?
Cindy
It depends, how colorful are they? :D
Sorry for deviating from your subject Meghan, I'm going to be now so I won't cause any more trouble!! :)
No problem Shane, I think it's taboo to get off topic, but I do it all the time, so I definitely don't care if you do it in my thread :) Plus, you and Cindy are sharing marbles, how could I mind that?
Quote from: MeghanAndrews on January 08, 2008, 02:14:49 AM
Quote from: Wing Walker on January 08, 2008, 01:50:36 AM
Are we again seeking to define the perfect female symmetry and measurements? Is the purpose of threads like this to make others whose measurements don't exactly fit that "ideal" feel less-than-feminine? I truly wonder.
When will we have a thread that says, "Nanny-nanny-pooh-pooh, I'm more femme than you-oo!!"? It can't be far away.
I don't know what my shoulder circumference is and I don't consider it a problem. Grandmother Estrogen has treated me well. I have a band size of 46 inches with a full C-cup, so I have a nice, easy-to-see "shelf."
My hips are about 48 with thighs and legs that have a nice taper and curvature.
When my waist is where I want it I will be more than happy with myself. I'm happy right now. The next stop for me is being ecstatic with myself.
Shall we measure in fractals?
BTW, I don't play pro football, thank you. I don't even play minor league.
Wing Walker
Wing Walker, I'm sorry if my post seemed hurtful or misintentioned, it really wasn't I promise that. I would never knowingly do that to anyone here. I should not have used the term "linebacker" and I apologize for that, it was a stupid thing to say. I am just trying to figure some things out, I'm not as far along as most of you. I am just trying to get an idea of how much muscle I might lose and how my muscle ratio compares to other people, that's all. I really, sincerely didn't mean for anyone to take offense to my question. I usually post in my Blog where I feel a little safer posting. I kind of feel like that's my safe zone to post whatever I want, but I'm trying to be a little more public in the forums too.
Please just bear with me, I'll figure it out sooner or later, Meghan
Meghan, please forgive me for taking umbrage with your posting. I know you well enough to know that you harbor no ill will toward anyone.
As for your question, I believe the answer to be as individual as retina scans.
Enjoy your transition and the wonderment that you are experiencing and forgive me for being such a pain-in-the-ass. Every so often I fall off of my little biplane. :embarrassed:
Most sincerely,
Wing Walker
Hi shanetastic
That was why I came by this thread was to do what I could to change the energy. Now to let the good folks here go back to their topic. I'll see ya, hon.
Cindy
Wing Walker,
I respect that you don't like comparing measurements
But, some do and it you have to respect this EQUALLY.
I want to know those things, for fun, to make me feel better, etc.
If you feel this is offensive. Don't read the thread or start a new thread.
I think that not talking about this would be the epithome of PCness
(actually a good use of the term).
Also, in this case, people just want to know if HRT makes
muscles go down (it does), what's so bad about this!!!
Being above average population measurements in height
I know how annoying it can be to hear people talking about
the average being 5 foot 5. Yet that's what the numbers are,
unchangeable, its how I react to this, not the numbers themselves
that makes either this knowledge irritating or a oh well, moment.
I'm sure its annoying if a 400 pound person hears about the average
weight being 150 pounds. But, that doesn't change the
numbers, they are what they are without and they don't
jusge people. We are the one's putting judgement on
weather 38 inch shoulders are better or not, not the numbers
themselves.
Quote from: Keira on January 08, 2008, 10:18:33 AM
Wing Walker,
I respect that you don't like comparing measurements
But, some do and it you have to respect this EQUALLY.
I want to know those things, for fun, to make me feel better, etc.
If you feel this is offensive. Don't read the thread or start a new thread.
I think that not talking about this would be the epithome of PCness
(actually a good use of the term).
Also, in this case, people just want to know if HRT makes
muscles go down (it does), what's so bad about this!!!
Being above average population measurements in height
I know how annoying it can be to hear people talking about
the average being 5 foot 5. Yet that's what the numbers are,
unchangeable, its how I react to this, not the numbers themselves
that makes either this knowledge irritating or a oh well, moment.
I'm sure its annoying if a 400 pound person hears about the average
weight being 150 pounds. But, that doesn't change the
numbers, they are what they are without and they don't
jusge people. We are the one's putting judgement on
weather 38 inch shoulders are better or not, not the numbers
themselves.
Has the subject here gone to cattiness?
Wing Walker
Huh! Disagreeing and stating what the thread point is and it is a valid thread, is Cattiness?....
OK...
Please point to me where that alledged cattiness is so I can delete it from this earth ::)
Hey Meghan,
I'm in much the same position as you - early in transition and anxious to know what the future holds, be it from a physical perspective or otherwise. While I agree with some of the posts that there is no such thing as "ideal female measurements", we are coming from a place of total incoherence, and we need things to strive for, because lets be honest: transitioning is a daunting thing to undertake, even if the alternative is, despair and unhappiness, or worse.
So don't apologise for trying to figure out kinda "how far you are along the journey". I think people further along the road can sometimes forget (or perhaps prefer not to remember) that it's a long one.
BTW, I'm 181 cm tall (just shy of 6 feet) with a shoulder measure of about 43-44 ish. Pretty average... for a guy!!! :`( ... but we'll get there.
Simone
Keira and Wing Walker, cool it you two, I love you both, and don't like to see the nit picking thank you.
Have a wonderful day.
Cindy
Quote from: Wing Walker on January 08, 2008, 02:27:38 AM
Quote from: MeghanAndrews on January 08, 2008, 02:14:49 AM
Quote from: Wing Walker on January 08, 2008, 01:50:36 AM
Are we again seeking to define the perfect female symmetry and measurements? Is the purpose of threads like this to make others whose measurements don't exactly fit that "ideal" feel less-than-feminine? I truly wonder.
When will we have a thread that says, "Nanny-nanny-pooh-pooh, I'm more femme than you-oo!!"? It can't be far away.
I don't know what my shoulder circumference is and I don't consider it a problem. Grandmother Estrogen has treated me well. I have a band size of 46 inches with a full C-cup, so I have a nice, easy-to-see "shelf."
My hips are about 48 with thighs and legs that have a nice taper and curvature.
When my waist is where I want it I will be more than happy with myself. I'm happy right now. The next stop for me is being ecstatic with myself.
Shall we measure in fractals?
BTW, I don't play pro football, thank you. I don't even play minor league.
Wing Walker
Wing Walker, I'm sorry if my post seemed hurtful or misintentioned, it really wasn't I promise that. I would never knowingly do that to anyone here. I should not have used the term "linebacker" and I apologize for that, it was a stupid thing to say. I am just trying to figure some things out, I'm not as far along as most of you. I am just trying to get an idea of how much muscle I might lose and how my muscle ratio compares to other people, that's all. I really, sincerely didn't mean for anyone to take offense to my question. I usually post in my Blog where I feel a little safer posting. I kind of feel like that's my safe zone to post whatever I want, but I'm trying to be a little more public in the forums too.
Please just bear with me, I'll figure it out sooner or later, Meghan
Meghan, please forgive me for taking umbrage with your posting. I know you well enough to know that you harbor no ill will toward anyone.
As for your question, I believe the answer to be as individual as retina scans.
Enjoy your transition and the wonderment that you are experiencing and forgive me for being such a pain-in-the-ass. Every so often I fall off of my little biplane. :embarrassed:
Most sincerely,
Wing Walker
Quote from: Wing Walker on January 08, 2008, 01:36:04 PM
Quote from: Keira on January 08, 2008, 10:18:33 AM
Wing Walker,
I respect that you don't like comparing measurements
But, some do and it you have to respect this EQUALLY.
I want to know those things, for fun, to make me feel better, etc.
If you feel this is offensive. Don't read the thread or start a new thread.
I think that not talking about this would be the epithome of PCness
(actually a good use of the term).
Also, in this case, people just want to know if HRT makes
muscles go down (it does), what's so bad about this!!!
Being above average population measurements in height
I know how annoying it can be to hear people talking about
the average being 5 foot 5. Yet that's what the numbers are,
unchangeable, its how I react to this, not the numbers themselves
that makes either this knowledge irritating or a oh well, moment.
I'm sure its annoying if a 400 pound person hears about the average
weight being 150 pounds. But, that doesn't change the
numbers, they are what they are without and they don't
jusge people. We are the one's putting judgement on
weather 38 inch shoulders are better or not, not the numbers
themselves.
Has the subject here gone to cattiness?
Wing Walker
I had already made my apology to Meghan. Was there a reason for "piling-on?" BTW, what is PCness?
Wing Walker
Going back to the start of this topic (you can tell I'm new 'cos I'm a big girley swot)
As genetic women come in all shapes and sizes does it really matter what our shoulder circumference is? I would imagine mine is pretty big although I've not measured it yet. The Hormones and losing weight will see to any issues I have there. Together with lose fitting clothes.
They will have been mentioned hundreds of times, but there are several masculine features that I cannot imagine how to downplay as a new transitioner.
Baldness can be covered by a wig but it is far from the best solution.
My feet are size 11 (UK) how do I make them less noticeable.
Big nises run in my family so i suppose the only answer for that is plastic surgury
Myu hans are also huge
Are there any easy answers?
Quote from: Davinia on January 08, 2008, 07:53:55 PM
My feet are size 11 (UK) how do I make them less noticeable.
Are there any easy answers?
Don't attract attention to them. Plenty of shoes come more or less unisex, Doc Martens are a prime example...
Actually, lose fitting close make you look larger; better to be selectively large
(say to hide bulging shoulders) and be tighter elsewhere (i don't mean skin tight
which indeed is not for all). If you've got a big
stomach, then its gets more complicated.
The best for a TS in general is tighter upstairs with a A line skirt downstair.
I was big for a man and since hormones I have lost a lot of muscle. I would still be considered big for a man now I'm a big woman. Yet, everyday I see women who are the same size as me. I can find clothes off the rack and on sale too.
Before, I was 260 lbs, I wore a 3X shirt or jacket, my biceps at the biggest were 19 inches before hormones they kind of dwindled down to 17 to 18 inches. I had a 38 inch waist, that is what my pants were. My calves were 15 inches and my thighs were 25 inches. I'm was 6 ft tall, but over time I am down to 5'10". I shrank, it happens.
Now, I'm down to 200 lbs and I wear xtra large to 1X tops. my pants are size 14 long. I measured my arms this morning, the first time in years and they were 15 inches. I still have the biceps and I have been on hormones for 8 years now. My legs, well they look the same, I know they have gone down a bit, I was to mad after measuring my arms to measure my legs.
What I'm getting at is that all this measuring is nothing but a bunch of crap, take it to a Gym with all the testosterone. I go out everyday as a woman and no one pays any attention to my over size arms or my big chest and shoulders. The only one who looks at them is me. I only get down on myself every once in a while. No, losing weight will not bring them any smaller, I'm big boned. Size 15 ring finger. Again, I have been sized for a womans ring and I get it, pay a little more for it, but I paid a little more for a mans ring. I don't hear any comments to me and if they were commenting behind my back, oh well, it wasn't for my ears.
Sheila
Sheila,
You have lost massive ammount of muscles and may still lose more...
19 -> 15 inch bicep means you've lost more muscles in your bicep than
you now have!
Quote from: lady amarant on January 08, 2008, 02:05:59 PMBTW, I'm 181 cm tall (just shy of 6 feet) with a shoulder measure of about 43-44 ish.
I used to be exactly that height. About a year after beginning HRT, my height was down to 5'10". By about a year and a half later, my dress size went down from 18 to 14, my bra size went from 40A to 38B. Modest improvements. I checked the shoulders just now... still 43...
As for biceps data in the shoulder measurments, I don't think it would make much difference. The measurement is taken at the top ends of the biceps, where they thin out over the bone. Wouldn't be much biceps there anyway.
Size 9 should NOT fit you with a 38 inch waist;
are you calculating your waist near the belly button (the female waist)
or lower the male waist? Even there, there is usually only a few inch difff
so it wouldn't explain this.
Size 9, using catalog sizing, the closest thing to a
standard in this out of control world of vanity sizing is
about a 29 inch waist in the US I believe, for hip huggers
a their lower waist is probably 31 inch.. But, if you've
got love handles don't buy them, since you'll then
get the dreased muffin top.
Fitting a size 9 must be out of control vanity sizing.
Sheila, just how in the world did you lose weight on HRT? It used to be easy for me, even 2 years ago, but now...Geez, I hate scales.
Nickie, that was four years ago and I was way overweight. I have been trying to lose weight now with not much success. It seems that if I exercise I gain weight. My wife who has gone through menopause loses weight like I use to. She laughs at me as she says, see what woman go through on weight loss programs. It is hard and I'm still trying. I have thrown a scale out last year and said I was not going to look at another scale, but I bought another one this last summer.
Sheila
There is one answer sheila.
Your metabolism is too low.
You need more muscle mass
(same reason why diets alone, or most women's
exercise program are not very efficient).
Why not build you buttocks, upper legs and core muscles.
Also, too low levels of estrogen reduces metabolism significantly.
Which is menopausal women have such a pouch and
younger women, unless they're significantly overweight,
have a define waist.
Quote from: MeghanAndrews on January 07, 2008, 12:54:06 PM
Ok, so I was going to do a poll on this, but I figured that the answers would be so varied it would just be easier to post it here. I'm really noticing how broad my shoulders are and I'm curious to see how they compare to others. Do many of us have this problem? I've lost a lot of weight, but it seems like my upper body doesn't really burn that much fat when I lose weight. So, I was trying to get an idea of height compared to shoulder circumference. I should probably compare weight too, but there's no way I'm asking people to post their weight on here! So, I'm 5'6" and I measured my shoulder circumference right at the top of the shoulders and they were....45"...GASP!!! I think there are NFL players with smaller shoulder circumference than me, lol. Anyway, just curious what other people are at :) Meghan
I don't have any previous measurements to to compare with but my current shoulder circumference is 53" And you "GASP"ed at 45". ;) I'm 5'9" tall and been on HRT for 10 years. We come in all shapes and sizes but we're still women.
Karen Lyn
Quote from: Keira on January 10, 2008, 11:04:43 AM
are you calculating your waist near the belly button (the female waist)
Well dahling now that you mention it I do have my natural waist at navel level. My hips are slowly filling out, life is... if not good, at least it's pretty OK.
Posted on: January 18, 2008, 11:34:01 AM
Quote from: Wing Walker on January 08, 2008, 01:50:36 AMWhen will we have a thread that says, "Nanny-nanny-pooh-pooh, I'm more femme than you-oo!!"? It can't be far away.
Kudos for having the ovaries to come out and say this. But really, haven't all online transgender forums been living on a steady diet of those for years already?
I'm sharing my experiences as someone who went from moderately bad to moderately good. I have found out how HRT can help within this limited range at least.
Hello! I just measured my shoulders circumference, and it is 46.5 inches! I am curious as to how others look with similar shoulder circumference. My reasons are I would like to see exactly how I would look to a person that would be passing by!
It would be hard to tell without also having other measurements. And also what caused the measurements (muscle, fat, bone structure). And where the circumference came from (width or thickness).
Quote from: <3 on October 01, 2013, 06:31:22 PM
It would be hard to tell without also having other measurements. And also what caused the measurements (muscle, fat, bone structure). And where the circumference came from (width or thickness).
That is true. I am rather muscular in my bicep area, but my family has a big bone structure in the upper body area. I believe both the muscle and bone structure are factors. My biceps are 15 inches in circumference on both sides, and the front and back width of my shoulders are 20 inches each. Not that it's super important but just to see from a similar perspective.
6/wk,8/day HRT. 6'00", 204 lbs., lost thirty eight pounds in just a few months, 47" shoulders. Losing bicept radius 1", Tummy lost 5", lost 1" band, gained 3" hips and (drum roll) gained 4" at the girls!!! Someone tell me why it is almost always the left Bewbie to develop first?
I'm not just seeing changes, they are showing up on tape!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Jessica Merriman on October 01, 2013, 08:43:07 PM
6/wk,8/day HRT. 6'00", 204 lbs., lost thirty eight pounds in just a few months, 47" shoulders. Losing bicept radius 1", Tummy lost 5", lost 1" band, gained 3" hips and (drum roll) gained 4" at the girls!!! Someone tell me why it is almost always the left Bewbie to develop first?
I'm not just seeing changes, they are showing up on tape!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is good that you are seeing changes! I can't wait to start taking them. I am 175 lbs 5'10, 31'' waist 40 inch hips my chest area is 37''. No cup size yet! My goal is 145 lbs 28'' waist 42'' hips, 38 C or D
Wow! This is a post I made from almost six years ago, that's so freaky to see it again. I was reading through and chuckled at the girl that thought the only reason I brought it up was to somehow make others feel "less" feminine or something. Ohhhh Susan's members, lol. I was so naive back then.
It's crazy because now I'm 5'5" with a shoulder circumference of like 41". Craziness, 6 years on hrt and weight loss I guess.
I'm chiming in because I happened to have looked up the "mean" shoulder circumference for men and women, using the US Army's 1988 Anthropometric Survey (which itself is a bit flawed as it was taken from a poll of service personnel, so only those who fit within the military's induction requirements for height and weight were evaluated). The survey is meant for setting design parameters for defense contractors, and 1774 men and 2208 women were measured. I found the survey far more dispassionately useful than anything else I saw on line as a means of seeing where I fit in at the start and after transition.
The mean for women: 40.43 with a deviation of 2.05 (the outliers were 49.65 and 33.94)
The mean for men: 46.27 with a deviation of 2.38 (the outliers were 56.06 and 38.03)
That said, don't get hung up on this. Women come in all sizes. Also: hormones and weight loss (which are interrelated as you lose so much muscle mass and weight) DO reduce the soft tissues at the shoulders and elsewhere. The only thing that is unaffected is bone size. I did lose height, but that seems to be because of muscle. I also went down a shoe size. I'm not saying this is true for all, just what happened to me.
Wow, my friends were right!
They keep on telling me I'm lucky as I already have slim shoulders. I never believed them till I read through a bit of this thread, measured and realised that 6' height and 41.5" shoulders is pretty damn nifty after a 10 month low dose, 7 month normal dose hrt.
Ehn it's over rated.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elkeinland.com%2Fimg%2FmissycubS.jpg&hash=4e3ae66d286dd1849d4af4978237e25c93eec8a7)
Granted, my shoulders are a bigger problem in certain dresses, but not in day to day stuff.
This is my first picture for here at Susan's.
I'm 6ft and 39 :)
I'm 5'11 and 43" pre HRT, hope I can drop to 39" eventually!
I'm a little worried about this as well; I'm gonna go find my tape measure...
I'm 6 feet and just measured; I come out at around 43-44. I'm a little bummed about that. I'm not on hrt, so hopefully I'd lose a bit more. I think I may have measured wrong though. I measured a few inched down from my actual shoulder bone, which could have have added a solid inch or maybe a bit more, or maybe nothing I guess... i don't know.
I'm 5'9" and about 39" circumference. Pre-HRT.
Also I just did about a month of heavy lifting for work and gained about 2" circumference from the muscle gain ):
So in a typical month I'd be around 37"
Edit: not sure if I'm measuring right, depending on how tight I hold the tape it is anywhere from 37 to 41...
Quote from: Hypatia on January 10, 2008, 08:33:52 AM
I used to be exactly that height. About a year after beginning HRT, my height was down to 5'10". By about a year and a half later, my dress size went down from 18 to 14, my bra size went from 40A to 38B. Modest improvements. I checked the shoulders just now... still 43...
As for biceps data in the shoulder measurments, I don't think it would make much difference. The measurement is taken at the top ends of the biceps, where they thin out over the bone. Wouldn't be much biceps there anyway.
Hi Hypatia, do you mind me asking how old you were when you started hrt? I know cartilage and muscle between the spine tends to shrink, and being taller than average, there's probably a bit more to lose than someone several inches shorter. I'm literally exactly 6' if not a touch under. If I got down to a legitimate 5'11" I'd feel far better just knowing that I wasn't 6'. I'm 26 however, so I'm still fairly young, I'd love to lose the height prematurely though, thanks...
I haven't noticed any guys posting here (sorry if I missed any!), but seems like it might add to the convo. I'm 173cm or 5'8. I'm really small framed, an ectomorph, if you will. My shoulders are at 40" in circumference right now and 16.5" across.
Sigh... 45"... I hate all of you skinny small-framed b****es. :P
This thread gives me dysphoria
Its not that I have broad shoulders...its that I will never have the tiny female ones...
cool cool...
Posture makes a big difference in apparent shoulder dimensions. The human upper torso is remarkably flexible. Part of what makes female shoulder typically narrow is that they are rolled back and up (and the lower back arched) to compensate for breast weight. Try moving your shoulders around in a mirror and you'll see that you can take several inches out of your circumference and width without to much exaggeration.
I'm 42 inches I believe. 17-17.5 inches across.
I guess that's ok for 6 feet, even though they look pretty square to me I know they're not enormous at least. *shrug*
My height is ca. 6 feet (184 cm). Shoulder circumference is ca. 41 inch.
But, my shoulders look very broad as my waist-to-shoulder ratio is far less than 0.75.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8591/16250209292_32f95882ea_b.jpg)
http://www.sosuave.com/quick2/tip408.htm
barbie~~
I didn't measure circumference because I'm more interested in knowing the actual width. It seems to be around 18-20 inches or 45.72-50.8 cm... :o I'm only 5' 8" so I think my shoulders look extra wide because of my lack of proportional height. This post makes me feel dysphoric too. I even see cis guys with tiny frames, and envy them. lol!
But an interesting note, at least to me, is that my sister has broader shoulders for a cisgirl (16-17 inches) and she looks totally fine! Could be the boobs and hips tho.. XD
I'm not sure who we got our shoulders from, our parents definitely don't have very broad ones. >:(
42 inch circumference at 5'7" (barely). Hope it shrinks.
Before HRT, I had 18.5-inch-across shoulders, and now they're 16... The circumference has gone from 45 inches to 42 inches. Geez lol.
Alice
Mine are 39 inches, but I'm a lot shorter than many of you at 5'4".
I just checked all my measurements and these are all pre HRT,
still have a few weeks before getting started
shoulders circumference 41"
shoulders across 15"
chest 36"
under chest 30"
waist 32"
hips 35.5"
biceps 11.5"
thighs 19.5
i am 5'10" and roughly 155 lbs
Quote from: barbie on January 12, 2015, 04:25:09 PM
My height is ca. 6 feet (184 cm). Shoulder circumference is ca. 41 inch.
But, my shoulders look very broad as my waist-to-shoulder ratio is far less than 0.75.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8591/16250209292_32f95882ea_b.jpg)
http://www.sosuave.com/quick2/tip408.htm
barbie~~
Hi Baribe! I just wanted to thank you for posting that all of those months ago. I'm currently struggling with this myself. I am about 18" across I think, but shoulders are hard to measure across because everyone starts with a different place. So I will just go with waist/shoulders which for me is 32/43 or 0.744. So I'm close to .75 which sounds like the female ratio according to your post.
However there's more, it has to all fit in with the hips which can be trouble. Mine are finally growing just ever so slightly at 38.25. My h/w ratio is .836 which is just about too high. Obviously we're going for larger hips and a smaller waist and shoulders. Changing the waist is the easiest thing to do, but any less and it will decrease my w/s ratio, but if it stays the same or gets bigger to balance out my shoulders it diminishes the h/w ratio.
Basically what I'm saying is that I think MtF shoulders are the biggest burdens because everything has to revolve around them being obscenely large. While the hips may not be proportioned properly, they are at least they within female ranges numerically speaking. I just wish they had shoulder reduction.
Oh for the 80s, when women wore shoulder pads to make their shoulders look like enormous inverted V's!
Quote from: Jean24 on July 24, 2016, 03:23:57 AM
Basically what I'm saying is that I think MtF shoulders are the biggest burdens because everything has to revolve around them being obscenely large. While the hips may not be proportioned properly, they are at least they within female ranges numerically speaking. I just wish they had shoulder reduction.
Regardless of the amount of my exercise, my shoulder and hip size do not change so much. The only thing I can do is decreasing my waist size. My hip size is relatively smaller than most women, but my hip width looks OK.
Yes. During this weekend, I decreased my waist size considerably by exercising.
barbie~~
Quote from: AnxietyDisord3r on July 24, 2016, 07:33:45 AM
Oh for the 80s, when women wore shoulder pads to make their shoulders look like enormous inverted V's!
I still can see that style of tops here.
barbie~~
Quote from: barbie on July 24, 2016, 11:09:58 AM
Regardless of the amount of my exercise, my shoulder and hip size do not change so much. The only thing I can do is decreasing my waist size. My hip size is relatively smaller than most women, but my hip width looks OK.
Yes. During this weekend, I decreased my waist size considerably by exercising.
barbie~~
But how did you lose so much upper body mass?
Quote from: Jean24 on July 25, 2016, 06:18:11 PM
But how did you lose so much upper body mass?
It is genetic. My narrow shoulders and chest, compared with other ordinary boys, had been a stigma at my teens, but it suddenly became a valuable feature when I started presenting myself as a woman. My torso is extremely narrow and long, compared with other men, even with most women here. Of course, I run regularly to maintain it.
barbie~~