Okay I know the title was not very original but really that's what this post is about. Lol.
Anyway getting to the point...
I have been questioning myself for a while now, asking myself "Could I be intersexed in some way", I can't figure it out. I mean I know I want to be and defnitely should've been a girl and that'll never change but I'm wondering if I'm more of a girl then what meets the eye ya know? First off I'll tell you a little about me so you can get kind of a picture of what I relatively look like... I'm 16 years old, I'm about 5' 7" maybe 5' 7" and a half, I wear a size 8 in women's shoes (Size 6 in mens), I have extremely small hands (Picture any teenage girl's hands and you'll get the idea), my forearms are relatively feminine (skinny and again like a teenage girls), my upper arms are kinda big but that's because thier fatty (the bone is small and about the length of a teenage girls arm), my wrists are small (thie less then 7 inches in circumference more like 6.5 inches actually), I have a 34 inch (in circumference) chest which with my breasts it's about 38-39 inches in circumference, my waist is 29 inches in circumference, my hips are 40-41 inches in circumference, my shoulders are small a little broad not too much but still pretty small, my torso is a little longer then my legs, my ankles are very small too only about 9.5 inches in circumference, my pelvis is pretty wide to it also has very similar charcteristics of a female's pelvis in that it looks to be pretty hollowed out and flared at the top, also I've noticed other things about me too like I started growing breasts at puberty (when I got on HRT I had a large A cup), my face was relativly clear except for a little acne which cleared up while during puberty, my chin is still small, when I started taking HRT my voice pitch I'm pretty sure raised, I've also noticed that the body hair and even to an extent the facial hair that I had is getting lighter and starting to become more feminine, not to mention ever since I started HRT I've been having period like symptoms every month at one specific time of the month and this "period" gives me all of the symptoms of PMS.
So that is pretty much all I can say about me, I'm just unsure and I'm really looking for answers especially because when I took a blood test to get on HRT my T serum level was 611 (I'm not sure if I can state that and I apologize if I can't) which really just confuses me considering the physical features I'm displaying and unfortunately I did not get and E serum level count so I would not be able to tell if I had high levels of that or not.
Anyway thanks for listening and I hope you all can help me.
Thanks everyone,
Krista
Firstly, the physical symptoms, by themselves, are not significant or diagnosis of something. I mean, people regularly dismiss my claims to intersex and everything besides my shoe size is smaller than you (I wear women's 9, or men's 7). However, it can help provide a bigger picture, in addition to other, more important things. In itself, wether IS or not, it's also a big help in passing.
A karyotype, of sufficient sample (to find out if it's XX, XY, XXY or something else, or mosaicism, though that's actually hard to find out, though possible).
Blood test levels, estrogen, testosterone total, testosterone free, luteinizing hormones (LH), follicule stimulating hormones (FSH) levels, presented with min-max scales (611 T level doesn't mean anything in itself). All of this pre-HRT of course. The karyotype can be at any time, they're not known to change.
Voice is anecdotal (to go back higher), and especially for your age, you're only 16. So don't bet this on it proving anything.
Anti-androgens are supposed to diminish body and facial hair or at the very least soften it, and since you're still very young, it could even eliminate some (I seriously doubt all, unless you have very very little to start with). But having androgen-type body hair and facial hair at 16 is far from uncommon. Not having any before early 20ies is seen as 'just not the norm, but not in itself a symptom of intersex', though some intersex people do get facial hair young - it all depends on the condition, the individual, past treatments, and what not.
AIS is a possibility, though, being as young as you are, you'll have a hard time convincing a doctor to look into it. AIS is tested by tissue response to testosterone, if you've had trouble masculinizing (tissue response), while having normal or elevated levels of testosterone, FSH and LH, then AIS is a strong possibility.
If not AIS is a pretty slim possibility. From your details, I cannot judge your tissue response, though you'd have to qualify what your facial hair looks like as far as distribution and growth (meaning spread and speed of growth). If you can grow a full beard, your testosterone response is totally normal, maybe even above average.
XXY syndrome is a possibility, mainly because of your hips. Gynecomastia may be incidental, but could be a point in that direction. If your testosterone levels were low previous to HRT, XXY is a strong possibility. XXY syndrome is revealed by karyotype. Mosaicism involving XXY syndrome also exists (such as XY/XXY, XX/XXY, XXY/XXXY) and a more normative (less evident) form could be XY/XXY (its more male-looking). Note that although there is few information, XXY syndrome can affect phenotypical females, who are fertile and do give birth, as seen anecdotally (research olympics testing).
In the end, I propose you do not put too much faith in wanting the diagnosis for validation purposes. I want my own diagnosis to satisfy my ever-thirsty curiosity, and to know how I came to be the way I am (physically-speaking).
Sara
PS: If you want to talk or something, check my profile information for contact info. I can refer to a great deal of information...although I can't refer to docs, endos or other specialists...since I don't know many myself, and none with regards to this.
Quote from: Schala on February 07, 2008, 03:01:31 AM
Firstly, the physical symptoms, by themselves, are not significant or diagnosis of something. I mean, people regularly dismiss my claims to intersex and everything besides my shoe size is smaller than you (I wear women's 9, or men's 7). However, it can help provide a bigger picture, in addition to other, more important things. In itself, wether IS or not, it's also a big help in passing.
A karyotype, of sufficient sample (to find out if it's XX, XY, XXY or something else, or mosaicism, though that's actually hard to find out, though possible).
Blood test levels, estrogen, testosterone total, testosterone free, luteinizing hormones (LH), follicule stimulating hormones (FSH) levels, presented with min-max scales (611 T level doesn't mean anything in itself). All of this pre-HRT of course. The karyotype can be at any time, they're not known to change.
Voice is anecdotal (to go back higher), and especially for your age, you're only 16. So don't bet this on it proving anything.
Anti-androgens are supposed to diminish body and facial hair or at the very least soften it, and since you're still very young, it could even eliminate some (I seriously doubt all, unless you have very very little to start with). But having androgen-type body hair and facial hair at 16 is far from uncommon. Not having any before early 20ies is seen as 'just not the norm, but not in itself a symptom of intersex', though some intersex people do get facial hair young - it all depends on the condition, the individual, past treatments, and what not.
AIS is a possibility, though, being as young as you are, you'll have a hard time convincing a doctor to look into it. AIS is tested by tissue response to testosterone, if you've had trouble masculinizing (tissue response), while having normal or elevated levels of testosterone, FSH and LH, then AIS is a strong possibility.
If not AIS is a pretty slim possibility. From your details, I cannot judge your tissue response, though you'd have to qualify what your facial hair looks like as far as distribution and growth (meaning spread and speed of growth). If you can grow a full beard, your testosterone response is totally normal, maybe even above average.
XXY syndrome is a possibility, mainly because of your hips. Gynecomastia may be incidental, but could be a point in that direction. If your testosterone levels were low previous to HRT, XXY is a strong possibility. XXY syndrome is revealed by karyotype. Mosaicism involving XXY syndrome also exists (such as XY/XXY, XX/XXY, XXY/XXXY) and a more normative (less evident) form could be XY/XXY (its more male-looking). Note that although there is few information, XXY syndrome can affect phenotypical females, who are fertile and do give birth, as seen anecdotally (research olympics testing).
In the end, I propose you do not put too much faith in wanting the diagnosis for validation purposes. I want my own diagnosis to satisfy my ever-thirsty curiosity, and to know how I came to be the way I am (physically-speaking).
Sara
PS: If you want to talk or something, check my profile information for contact info. I can refer to a great deal of information...although I can't refer to docs, endos or other specialists...since I don't know many myself, and none with regards to this.
Hi Schala,
I do know that physical syptoms aren't really a good way to tell if someone is intersexed as really they could jut be lucky enough to have those traits reguardless but what really makes me question that is the period like symptoms that I have been having it really interests me why I would be having something that really I should not be having, not to mention if lets just say for minute I am intersexed and I do have one ovary or possibly two maybe even most of the female internal genital parts... well I would also more then likely have to have eggs and I'm getting periods now, where would the eggs be going when that happened? In a the scope of all of this it actually concerns me if thats what's happening as realistically the eggs wold have nowhere to go. You are right however that it does help in passing even if I'm not intersexed, even before I went on HRT I was being seen as a female and sometimes even when I hadn't shaved in a couple of days, Lol. Also BTW your actually a size large then me in shoes. ;)
I've actually thought about going to get a karyotype test considering my questions and concerns. I've also thought about being tested for AIS or possibly PAIS as it could also be a factor or the only factor.
And actually yeah, the voice thing is anecdotal, I didn't think it was gonna happen but I was very happy when it did. :D
My facial hair is usually VERY VERY light on my cheeks it never has really grown there very much, my upper lip I get it semi-thick and it used to be dark but while being on HRT it has become less thick and blondish mostly, on my neck it gets thick but in places it's a bit patchey and again it also has gone blonde because of HRT and has gotten lighter. So overall realistically I have facial hair but it's not nearly as thick as most males my age and it can be patchey in places.
Really I just want to know if I have it, I can confess it would be validating to me but finding out just to know whas going on would be something that I want. ;)
Thanks for responding Schala. :D
It is of many opinions that transexualism is a form of intersexed, it just has not been proven medically.
Mara
QuoteAlso BTW your actually a size large then me in shoes.
I know that, but I'm also 5'6", 32 inch bust 25 inch waist 32 inch hips, skinny all over, small dainty hands, 6 inch wrist circumference, 13 inch neck circumference, almost no body hair, almost no facial hair (less than what you mentioned, I have some on my chin and upper lip, nothing on cheeks, nothing on neck, no sideburns and the growth is slow and has always been, it also started at around 20). Well all that never really threw anyone off, which I find odd. Though I did pass pre-fulltime sometimes, and easily once I went fulltime, that no one pointed stuff to me sounds weird. Also most people pegged me off as gay in my childhood/teens, I never really figured why (since I was asexual).
I'm pretty small for any adult, only my height is above average, and maybe shoe size, though I think size 9 women is becoming the average. My mom, who is by no means big, is bigger than me, except she's shorter (5'2"), same wrist and neck circumference though.
People only say I'm lucky.
As for period symptoms, well I doubt you'd have 2 ovaries, if you virilize to some degree with 2 ovaries, you possibly have CAH (which boosts testosterone), but said condition is almost 100% for someone with an XX karyotype. Having XY and testes AND CAH would make you hypermasculine (think gorilla). You also don't necessarily need ovaries to have periods or period-like pains, though an uterus is more likely in that case (rarely functional though).
Sara
Edit: it didn't throw people off, like my family, but they were not all that surprised that I transitioned either...my aunt said it suited me better since I always looked odd as a boy (physically wise).
and you can call me Sara, that my chosen name - I use Schala but it essentially means the same.
QuoteSchala (サラ, Sara?) is the daughter of Queen Zeal and the older sister of Janus, who became Magus. She was raised in the Kingdom of Zeal in 12000 B.C., when mankind was separated between the Enlightened Ones, who are able to use magic, and the Earthbound Ones, who are not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schala#Schala
Both names also mean princess ironically. So I use both (and have for 5 years now).
Really I don't think a lot of us have fully matured, but that doesn't really mean we're intersexed though really. You have some rather odd other things though for sure. Only thing I got out of puberty was a deeper voice and a huge growth spurt that I wish I didn't get :P But I mean I don't think the size of your feet or your height have to do with being intersexed, although I know absolutely nothing on the subject so I could be horribly wrong lol
Hi Krista hon, welcome to Susan's. I am not even going to pretend to know enough about being IS to be of much help to you. But there are some of the girls on this board that do know. But I do find it quite an interesting subject. I'm a retired social worker so there have been times where I had to learn about different quirks of the human anatomy well before I learned about TS. Well you have a wonderful day and I hope we connect again a bit later.
Cindy
Quote from: mara on February 07, 2008, 02:34:26 PM
It is of many opinions that transexualism is a form of intersexed, it just has not been proven medically.
Mara
I agree with that, it would definitely make sense.
Quote from: Schala on February 07, 2008, 03:06:39 PM
QuoteAlso BTW your actually a size large then me in shoes.
I know that, but I'm also 5'6", 32 inch bust 25 inch waist 32 inch hips, skinny all over, small dainty hands, 6 inch wrist circumference, 13 inch neck circumference, almost no body hair, almost no facial hair (less than what you mentioned, I have some on my chin and upper lip, nothing on cheeks, nothing on neck, no sideburns and the growth is slow and has always been, it also started at around 20). Well all that never really threw anyone off, which I find odd. Though I did pass pre-fulltime sometimes, and easily once I went fulltime, that no one pointed stuff to me sounds weird. Also most people pegged me off as gay in my childhood/teens, I never really figured why (since I was asexual).
I'm pretty small for any adult, only my height is above average, and maybe shoe size, though I think size 9 women is becoming the average. My mom, who is by no means big, is bigger than me, except she's shorter (5'2"), same wrist and neck circumference though.
People only say I'm lucky.
As for period symptoms, well I doubt you'd have 2 ovaries, if you virilize to some degree with 2 ovaries, you possibly have CAH (which boosts testosterone), but said condition is almost 100% for someone with an XX karyotype. Having XY and testes AND CAH would make you hypermasculine (think gorilla). You also don't necessarily need ovaries to have periods or period-like pains, though an uterus is more likely in that case (rarely functional though).
Sara
Edit: it didn't throw people off, like my family, but they were not all that surprised that I transitioned either...my aunt said it suited me better since I always looked odd as a boy (physically wise).
and you can call me Sara, that my chosen name - I use Schala but it essentially means the same.
QuoteSchala (サラ, Sara?) is the daughter of Queen Zeal and the older sister of Janus, who became Magus. She was raised in the Kingdom of Zeal in 12000 B.C., when mankind was separated between the Enlightened Ones, who are able to use magic, and the Earthbound Ones, who are not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schala#Schala
Both names also mean princess ironically. So I use both (and have for 5 years now).
You know for what you mentioned about yourself, physically, it sounds a lot like what I look like... the only reason my waist and hips are so large are because I'm a little over weight, about 38 pounds actualy, If I lost that weight I'd have probably anywhere from 37-38 inch hips and my waist would more then likely be close to if not dead on 26-25 inches, my neck is also actually 13 inches... exactly, Lol, now the facial and body hair I do have... in never got very coarse or
thick thick but it was there... it's now mostly goe though andmy facial hair is starting to go.
Yeah but it helps to have an ovary... not to mention I don't think that the ueterus secretes any type of hormone that would make the substantial changes that I've experienced.
Personally I just want to know if there would be a possiblility of this as I really want to know what might be going on. ;)
Also, sorry about the name thing. :P
Quote from: shanetastic on February 07, 2008, 03:51:55 PM
Really I don't think a lot of us have fully matured, but that doesn't really mean we're intersexed though really. You have some rather odd other things though for sure. Only thing I got out of puberty was a deeper voice and a huge growth spurt that I wish I didn't get :P But I mean I don't think the size of your feet or your height have to do with being intersexed, although I know absolutely nothing on the subject so I could be horribly wrong lol
That's true, I was still going through puberty when I started HRT but still there was stuff I noticed that was out of the ordinary before HRT.
Also, I would imagine pretty much evey physical or secondary sexual charcteristic would be effected by an intersexed condition and hands, feet, hips, waist, ect. would exceptionally important. I could be wrong though. ;)
Quote from: cindybc on February 07, 2008, 04:20:09 PM
Hi Krista hon, welcome to Susan's. I am not even going to pretend to know enough about being IS to be of much help to you. But there are some of the girls on this board that do know. But I do find it quite an interesting subject. I'm a retired social worker so there have been times where I had to learn about different quirks of the human anatomy well before I learned about TS. Well you have a wonderful day and I hope we connect again a bit later.
Cindy
Hi Cindy,
Personally the only things I know about intersexed conditions is that they don't happen often and usually the person with the intersexed condition has some type of female or male sexual organ or partial organ other then that though we're in the same boat. Lol.
I do appreciate you commenting on this though as this is something that I would love to figure out and I know other people would like to hlp me figure out as well. So thank you very much. :D
Hi Krista. Ya it is an interesting subject. I try to keep track of the new stuff that the members come up with, Never know when it could be useful information one can pass on to another, plus I am a nosy bitch anyway. ;D I know one of the girls here that would most likely know quite a lot more about IS then I. Last I was sharing with her, she showed the symptoms of being IS as well but I don't really know what the results of the latest tests was. Anyway her name is Natalie, she has the cross bones and scull pirates flag for an Avatar.
Cindy
QuoteYou know for what you mentioned about yourself, physically, it sounds a lot like what I look like... the only reason my waist and hips are so large are because I'm a little over weight, about 38 pounds actualy, If I lost that weight I'd have probably anywhere from 37-38 inch hips and my waist would more then likely be close to if not dead on 26-25 inches, my neck is also actually 13 inches... exactly, Lol, now the facial and body hair I do have... in never got very coarse or thick thick but it was there... it's now mostly goe though andmy facial hair is starting to go.
Yeah but it helps to have an ovary... not to mention I don't think that the ueterus secretes any type of hormone that would make the substantial changes that I've experienced.
Personally I just want to know if there would be a possiblility of this as I really want to know what might be going on. Wink
Also, sorry about the name thing.
Well, my hips are tiny for my frame, wether boy or girl. I'm too skinny, I wish I'd gain a bit of weight.
My mother is about 34 inch bust, 28 inch waist and 37 inch hips and 5'2", she's far from fat though. She's just not skinny the same way I am. And four pregnancies must have played a number on her.
I haven't been able to do anything about facial hair, like electrolysis, due to being short on cash. It's not all that thick, but its still annoying.
As far as I know I have two testes, both functional, and look the way I do anyway (which suggests a lower-than-normal response to it, substantially when compared to three younger brothers).
19.1 nmol/L on a 10-30 nmol/L scale (male range) testosterone total, pre-HRT. I started hormones at 23 years 9 months old.
For an example of what I looked at when 16:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/Sara_Zeal/Sara1998.jpg (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/Sara_Zeal/Sara1998.jpg)
I wish I had a better shot than this. It's my only pic when I was 16, that I have online...there might be others elsewhere I guess. I didn't take pics of myself before I was 24.
and right before HRT at 23 years, 7 months old:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/Sara_Zeal/Sara.jpg (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/Sara_Zeal/Sara.jpg)
I really was unsure about my image back then (and had very few clothes).
As for the name, don't worry, it's fine.
Hi dearest Schala
Give the hormones time to do their job Schala hon, and I'll guarantee you you will get some good results. The hormones change a lot of stuff both inside as well as on the outside. You come out the other end you won't even recognise what you were before. It did me and I'm an old bat. I love all the changes I have gone through. Did you know I learned how to love again. Most of my feeling were pretty well dead when I sobered up twenty one years ago. I was to frightened, back then to even trust another person.
It was the hormones and Wing Walker who showed me how to trust and love. Love is a very intense feeling. Did you try the protein drink? the powder type.
Have yourself a wonderful day.
Cindy
For instance, the Intersex Society of North America (ISNA) definition states that the following conditions "sometimes involve intersex anatomy":[20]
* 5-alpha reductase deficiency
* androgen insensitivity syndrome
* aphallia
* clitoromegaly
* congenital adrenal hyperplasia
* gonadal dysgenesis (partial & complete)
* hypospadias
* Klinefelter syndrome
* micropenis
* mosaicism involving sex chromosomes
* MRKH (mullerian agenesis; vaginal agenesis; congenital absence of vagina)
* ovo-testes (formerly called "true hermaphroditism")
* partial androgen insensitivity syndrome
* progestin induced virilization
* Swyer syndrome
* Turner syndrome
Some people with some of these conditions (such as Kallmann syndrome and Turner syndrome) do not self-identify as intersex.[citation needed] See also 17-beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase deficiency.
Posted on: February 08, 2008, 08:20:50 AM
If you got the money and time go get tested for these syndrones.
Mara
Don't know.
I mean,
I've got a 13 inch neck and its very long.
26 inch waist, 37 inch hips
30 inch underbust and 35 inch bust. (almost able to fit in a 32C, now a 34B).
I'm now a size 6-8 in tops, 4-5 in bottoms,
six inch wrist, small hand with long fingers.
150 pounds.
All of which for someone 6 foot tall is rather small.
But, not sure if I'm IS or simply a weirdly shaped male...
Kiera,
Just a feeling I get, probally not true, but when I was younger I wanted so hard to not develop into a man, and wanted to keep my feminie features. I feel like at 20 years I have in many ways fought off changes mentally.
LOL.
Quote from: Keira on February 08, 2008, 11:02:31 AM
Don't know.
I mean,
I've got a 13 inch neck and its very long.
26 inch waist, 37 inch hips
30 inch underbust and 35 inch bust. (almost able to fit in a 32C, now a 34B).
I'm now a size 6-8 in tops, 4-5 in bottoms,
six inch wrist, small hand with long fingers.
150 pounds.
All of which for someone 6 foot tall is rather small.
But, not sure if I'm IS or simply a weirdly shaped male...
I'm going with weird shaped male!
You and I are almost identical in measurements Keira haha. Except my breasts are nonexistent and I weight a little less unfortunately. Weird shaped male for sure! Genetics hate me! :P
Quote from: Keira on February 08, 2008, 11:02:31 AM
Don't know.
I mean,
I've got a 13 inch neck and its very long.
26 inch waist, 37 inch hips
30 inch underbust and 35 inch bust. (almost able to fit in a 32C, now a 34B).
I'm now a size 6-8 in tops, 4-5 in bottoms,
six inch wrist, small hand with long fingers.
150 pounds.
All of which for someone 6 foot tall is rather small.
But, not sure if I'm IS or simply a weirdly shaped male...
The only way to know is to test it. There are many XXY syndrome males and females who look nothing special as far as their birth phenotype. Some are fertile too.
Your hands are like mine, long slim fingers and the look and texture is 'dainty', like definitely not carpenter's hands.
I have smaller breasts, which I would hope would hurry up and grow! and yeah I should take that natural powder drink.
This is a pretty small frame for someone six feet, of either gender (my frame is similarly small for my height). My best explanation is that "I'm too tall for my weight". I'm 5'6" and 110 lbs.
QuoteThis is a pretty small frame for someone six feet, of either gender (my frame is similarly small for my height). My best explanation is that "I'm too tall for my weight". I'm 5'6" and 110 lbs.
I know! Now if only we could shrink a little to make our bodies look more proportioned :P I've been trying to gain weight and it just sucks, like. . . it doesn't happen. I can eat the world and still look like a stick, which bothers me! Never going to get curves when you weigh 135 and are 6' tall!! grrrrrr.
The odd problems in life, eh Schala?
Try being 6 feet tall, and 115 lbs
Krista,
One thing I have found with some, not all mind you, but some TS' is the wish or hope they are more than TS and they try to find things to prove they are IS. Some may very well be, while others probably not. I am IS. I did not seek to be. I thought I was TS. But a lot of things did not add up for me. Firstly, as I read posts after posts written by TS' here I noticed the things they were feeling and writing about I wasn't experiencing even remotely. The more I read the more I still felt different but didn't know why. Secondly, the physical side of it. I am what some girls jokingly call IS to the extreme. I have a partial opening behind my sack area (partial in that it only goes so deep but is closed on the inside so nothing goes right inside me. I can get most of a normal size vibrator inside but not all the way and it is sensitive inside the area I can use. I have a clitoral area on my shaft just above that area. When my wife is intimate in this area (both the 'vagina' and 'clitoris' or just one or the other) I explode like I never exploded before when using the penis. I actually have 2 types of orgasm - I can feel one inside (and a little does flow to my head to discharge) and the one I should have for my birth gender. The inside one (female type orgasm is the one that most satisfies me). When my wife and I felt I was TS I started my transition with her blessing. All of a sudden my breasts developed and my voice pitched. But most of all this cramping I always got before seemed to be worse. It was the cramps we booked an appointment with my MD for since we didn't yet understand me. He commented about my breast devlopment and voice. He thought about it and sent me for a saliva test, blood work, x-rays and an MRI. The tests came back and blew our minds to say the least. Please don't ask me to quote all the medical jargon they and a lot of sites on ISism and some people here refer to because that would be like asking me to talk a foreign language. What I can tell you is the main points he emphasized - high estrogen, nil androgen ( and yes even he felt my kids are lil miracles in that I don't really have enough androgen- and yes they are mine (God does wonders)), I actually have a healthy uterus, one testi and one ovary, meaning my cramps are a true period ( I have other symptoms too with the cramps),lactose organs etc. As a matter of fact he told us if my vagina devloped properly (opened all the way inside instead of just part way) I would have a 78% chance of successful child rearing. My chances are this low due to the little bit of male parts I was given. As I stated, this was not something I asked for, I was settling into transition as a TS. But now at least all my mysteries about my body and mind over the years are answered and I am happier with it.
In my opinion, until you get your medical testing done sometime then I wouldn't dwell overly much on it. Just focus on your self and your transition until the day comes to be tested. I was lucky my MD did the tests as I live in a part of Canada where minds are conservative-you are either male or female and no in between. Anything in between is a freak and deserves what he or she gets (beat up, humiliated etc). Good luck.
Kim :angel:
Quote from: mara on February 08, 2008, 03:43:53 PM
Try being 6 feet tall, and 115 lbs
True, I guess I could always be skinnier :P
Quote from: mara on February 08, 2008, 03:43:53 PM
Try being 6 feet tall, and 115 lbs
There is a word for that, it's called transorexia. Eat a cheeseburger already!
Quote from: Kim on February 08, 2008, 05:14:29 PM
Krista,
One thing I have found with some, not all mind you, but some TS' is the wish or hope they are more than TS and they try to find things to prove they are IS. Some may very well be, while others probably not. I am IS. I did not seek to be. I thought I was TS. But a lot of things did not add up for me. Firstly, as I read posts after posts written by TS' here I noticed the things they were feeling and writing about I wasn't experiencing even remotely. The more I read the more I still felt different but didn't know why. Secondly, the physical side of it. I am what some girls jokingly call IS to the extreme. I have a partial opening behind my sack area (partial in that it only goes so deep but is closed on the inside so nothing goes right inside me. I can get most of a normal size vibrator inside but not all the way and it is sensitive inside the area I can use. I have a clitoral area on my shaft just above that area. When my wife is intimate in this area (both the 'vagina' and 'clitoris' or just one or the other) I explode like I never exploded before when using the penis. I actually have 2 types of orgasm - I can feel one inside (and a little does flow to my head to discharge) and the one I should have for my birth gender. The inside one (female type orgasm is the one that most satisfies me). When my wife and I felt I was TS I started my transition with her blessing. All of a sudden my breasts developed and my voice pitched. But most of all this cramping I always got before seemed to be worse. It was the cramps we booked an appointment with my MD for since we didn't yet understand me. He commented about my breast devlopment and voice. He thought about it and sent me for a saliva test, blood work, x-rays and an MRI. The tests came back and blew our minds to say the least. Please don't ask me to quote all the medical jargon they and a lot of sites on ISism and some people here refer to because that would be like asking me to talk a foreign language. What I can tell you is the main points he emphasized - high estrogen, nil androgen ( and yes even he felt my kids are lil miracles in that I don't really have enough androgen- and yes they are mine (God does wonders)), I actually have a healthy uterus, one testi and one ovary, meaning my cramps are a true period ( I have other symptoms too with the cramps),lactose organs etc. As a matter of fact he told us if my vagina devloped properly (opened all the way inside instead of just part way) I would have a 78% chance of successful child rearing. My chances are this low due to the little bit of male parts I was given. As I stated, this was not something I asked for, I was settling into transition as a TS. But now at least all my mysteries about my body and mind over the years are answered and I am happier with it.
In my opinion, until you get your medical testing done sometime then I wouldn't dwell overly much on it. Just focus on your self and your transition until the day comes to be tested. I was lucky my MD did the tests as I live in a part of Canada where minds are conservative-you are either male or female and no in between. Anything in between is a freak and deserves what he or she gets (beat up, humiliated etc). Good luck.
Kim :angel:
You know that really is true... My opinion is just go get tested for it... Dont dwell on it. Well said hear hear.
And I am not transorex I could out eat any one on the forums any day, and I do eat just about my weight in food every minute.
thank you
We just have an uber fast metabolism duhhh!!! :D
I eat the world daily and people just stare at me in shock when they see how often I eat lol. Yet people still seem to harass me because I don't weigh anything. . . to them
Quote from: mara on February 09, 2008, 01:33:59 AM
And I am not transorex I could out eat any one on the forums any day, and I do eat just about my weight in food every minute.
thank you
Seriously, 6' 115 lbs. is extremely thin. If you have the bone density of a bio-male, even more so. Even the 6 feet+ supermodels weigh more than that. I'm not trying to harass you or anyone else, but in my opinion either you are lying or your health is in jeopardy. If this is really the case, I urge you to seek help immediately.
QuoteTry being 6 feet tall, and 115 lbs
Somehow this topic seems to have turned towards this instead of Krista. It happens. Only thing I can say to this weight thing is Mara could be the hide and seek champion-just turn sideways and nobody will see you!!LOL - at least that's what people tell me (I'm 130 somehow because I am tiny)
Quote from: Kim on February 09, 2008, 08:48:33 PM
QuoteTry being 6 feet tall, and 115 lbs
Somehow this topic seems to have turned towards this instead of Krista. It happens. Only thing I can say to this weight thing is Mara could be the hide and seek champion-just turn sideways and nobody will see you!!LOL - at least that's what people tell me (I'm 130 somehow because I am tiny)
lololol.
Back on topic!!! Get it checked out Krista! By the time were down talking about weight you'll have your answer :)
Wow, looks like thier been lots of activity lately! I had better get posting. :D
Quote from: cindybc on February 08, 2008, 02:50:57 AM
Hi Krista. Ya it is an interesting subject. I try to keep track of the new stuff that the members come up with, Never know when it could be useful information one can pass on to another, plus I am a nosy bitch anyway. ;D I know one of the girls here that would most likely know quite a lot more about IS then I. Last I was sharing with her, she showed the symptoms of being IS as well but I don't really know what the results of the latest tests was. Anyway her name is Natalie, she has the cross bones and scull pirates flag for an Avatar.
Cindy
Thanks for the info and the tip Cindy. :D
Quote from: Schala on February 08, 2008, 07:30:56 AM
QuoteYou know for what you mentioned about yourself, physically, it sounds a lot like what I look like... the only reason my waist and hips are so large are because I'm a little over weight, about 38 pounds actualy, If I lost that weight I'd have probably anywhere from 37-38 inch hips and my waist would more then likely be close to if not dead on 26-25 inches, my neck is also actually 13 inches... exactly, Lol, now the facial and body hair I do have... in never got very coarse or thick thick but it was there... it's now mostly goe though andmy facial hair is starting to go.
Yeah but it helps to have an ovary... not to mention I don't think that the ueterus secretes any type of hormone that would make the substantial changes that I've experienced.
Personally I just want to know if there would be a possiblility of this as I really want to know what might be going on. Wink
Also, sorry about the name thing.
Well, my hips are tiny for my frame, wether boy or girl. I'm too skinny, I wish I'd gain a bit of weight.
My mother is about 34 inch bust, 28 inch waist and 37 inch hips and 5'2", she's far from fat though. She's just not skinny the same way I am. And four pregnancies must have played a number on her.
I haven't been able to do anything about facial hair, like electrolysis, due to being short on cash. It's not all that thick, but its still annoying.
As far as I know I have two testes, both functional, and look the way I do anyway (which suggests a lower-than-normal response to it, substantially when compared to three younger brothers).
19.1 nmol/L on a 10-30 nmol/L scale (male range) testosterone total, pre-HRT. I started hormones at 23 years 9 months old.
For an example of what I looked at when 16:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/Sara_Zeal/Sara1998.jpg (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/Sara_Zeal/Sara1998.jpg)
I wish I had a better shot than this. It's my only pic when I was 16, that I have online...there might be others elsewhere I guess. I didn't take pics of myself before I was 24.
and right before HRT at 23 years, 7 months old:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/Sara_Zeal/Sara.jpg (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/Sara_Zeal/Sara.jpg)
I really was unsure about my image back then (and had very few clothes).
As for the name, don't worry, it's fine.
Wow, your pretty much a small as I am. Lol.
Quote from: cindybc on February 08, 2008, 07:48:46 AM
Hi dearest Schala
Give the hormones time to do their job Schala hon, and I'll guarantee you you will get some good results. The hormones change a lot of stuff both inside as well as on the outside. You come out the other end you won't even recognise what you were before. It did me and I'm an old bat. I love all the changes I have gone through. Did you know I learned how to love again. Most of my feeling were pretty well dead when I sobered up twenty one years ago. I was to frightened, back then to even trust another person.
It was the hormones and Wing Walker who showed me how to trust and love. Love is a very intense feeling. Did you try the protein drink? the powder type.
Have yourself a wonderful day.
Cindy
Lol, this is not directed towards me but I thought I'd say something about it anyway. :D
Quote from: mara on February 08, 2008, 08:21:50 AM
For instance, the Intersex Society of North America (ISNA) definition states that the following conditions "sometimes involve intersex anatomy":[20]
* 5-alpha reductase deficiency
* androgen insensitivity syndrome
* aphallia
* clitoromegaly
* congenital adrenal hyperplasia
* gonadal dysgenesis (partial & complete)
* hypospadias
* Klinefelter syndrome
* micropenis
* mosaicism involving sex chromosomes
* MRKH (mullerian agenesis; vaginal agenesis; congenital absence of vagina)
* ovo-testes (formerly called "true hermaphroditism")
* partial androgen insensitivity syndrome
* progestin induced virilization
* Swyer syndrome
* Turner syndrome
Some people with some of these conditions (such as Kallmann syndrome and Turner syndrome) do not self-identify as intersex.[citation needed] See also 17-beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase deficiency.
Posted on: February 08, 2008, 08:20:50 AM
If you got the money and time go get tested for these syndrones.
Mara
I've heard of most of those and really I may get tested for them, it wouldn't hurt... well yeah it would... DAMN! :icon_hahano:
Quote from: Keira on February 08, 2008, 11:02:31 AM
Don't know.
I mean,
I've got a 13 inch neck and its very long.
26 inch waist, 37 inch hips
30 inch underbust and 35 inch bust. (almost able to fit in a 32C, now a 34B).
I'm now a size 6-8 in tops, 4-5 in bottoms,
six inch wrist, small hand with long fingers.
150 pounds.
All of which for someone 6 foot tall is rather small.
But, not sure if I'm IS or simply a weirdly shaped male...
I just get the feeling that I'm a litttle more then an oddly shaped male... I really get the get the feeling thiers just more to it, especially with the period symptoms and all (which my endo did say were unusual in themselves.)
Quote from: mara on February 08, 2008, 11:13:00 AM
Kiera,
Just a feeling I get, probally not true, but when I was younger I wanted so hard to not develop into a man, and wanted to keep my feminie features. I feel like at 20 years I have in many ways fought off changes mentally.
LOL.
Ya know mara, really, I've had that thought too. I SOOOOOOOOO did NOT want to be a male and maybe because of that mindset I somehow told my body "HELL NO, don't accept T just E" it did something like that, who knows, the body and mind are VERY powerful tools.
Quote from: shanetastic on February 08, 2008, 01:58:26 PM
Quote from: Keira on February 08, 2008, 11:02:31 AM
Don't know.
I mean,
I've got a 13 inch neck and its very long.
26 inch waist, 37 inch hips
30 inch underbust and 35 inch bust. (almost able to fit in a 32C, now a 34B).
I'm now a size 6-8 in tops, 4-5 in bottoms,
six inch wrist, small hand with long fingers.
150 pounds.
All of which for someone 6 foot tall is rather small.
But, not sure if I'm IS or simply a weirdly shaped male...
I'm going with weird shaped male!
You and I are almost identical in measurements Keira haha. Except my breasts are nonexistent and I weight a little less unfortunately. Weird shaped male for sure! Genetics hate me! :P
Lol.
Quote from: Schala on February 08, 2008, 03:22:49 PM
Quote from: Keira on February 08, 2008, 11:02:31 AM
Don't know.
I mean,
I've got a 13 inch neck and its very long.
26 inch waist, 37 inch hips
30 inch underbust and 35 inch bust. (almost able to fit in a 32C, now a 34B).
I'm now a size 6-8 in tops, 4-5 in bottoms,
six inch wrist, small hand with long fingers.
150 pounds.
All of which for someone 6 foot tall is rather small.
But, not sure if I'm IS or simply a weirdly shaped male...
The only way to know is to test it. There are many XXY syndrome males and females who look nothing special as far as their birth phenotype. Some are fertile too.
Your hands are like mine, long slim fingers and the look and texture is 'dainty', like definitely not carpenter's hands.
I have smaller breasts, which I would hope would hurry up and grow! and yeah I should take that natural powder drink.
This is a pretty small frame for someone six feet, of either gender (my frame is similarly small for my height). My best explanation is that "I'm too tall for my weight". I'm 5'6" and 110 lbs.
I know, and I probably will, I'm afraid of the results though still.
Quote from: shanetastic on February 08, 2008, 03:26:01 PM
QuoteThis is a pretty small frame for someone six feet, of either gender (my frame is similarly small for my height). My best explanation is that "I'm too tall for my weight". I'm 5'6" and 110 lbs.
I know! Now if only we could shrink a little to make our bodies look more proportioned :P I've been trying to gain weight and it just sucks, like. . . it doesn't happen. I can eat the world and still look like a stick, which bothers me! Never going to get curves when you weigh 135 and are 6' tall!! grrrrrr.
The odd problems in life, eh Schala?
Eat fried foods and bread, it'll make you gain lots and lots of weight. Oh and eat them really quick so your metabolism doesn't know what to do with them and stores them as fat. ;)
Quote from: mara on February 08, 2008, 03:43:53 PM
Try being 6 feet tall, and 115 lbs
GOD! I wish I was 115 lbs, I'm like 158 right now and Iplan on getting down to about 120 maybe 125. I've already taken off about 70 lbs so it shouldn't be too much harder to get to my goal weight. ;)
Quote from: Kim on February 08, 2008, 05:14:29 PM
Krista,
One thing I have found with some, not all mind you, but some TS' is the wish or hope they are more than TS and they try to find things to prove they are IS. Some may very well be, while others probably not. I am IS. I did not seek to be. I thought I was TS. But a lot of things did not add up for me. Firstly, as I read posts after posts written by TS' here I noticed the things they were feeling and writing about I wasn't experiencing even remotely. The more I read the more I still felt different but didn't know why. Secondly, the physical side of it. I am what some girls jokingly call IS to the extreme. I have a partial opening behind my sack area (partial in that it only goes so deep but is closed on the inside so nothing goes right inside me. I can get most of a normal size vibrator inside but not all the way and it is sensitive inside the area I can use. I have a clitoral area on my shaft just above that area. When my wife is intimate in this area (both the 'vagina' and 'clitoris' or just one or the other) I explode like I never exploded before when using the penis. I actually have 2 types of orgasm - I can feel one inside (and a little does flow to my head to discharge) and the one I should have for my birth gender. The inside one (female type orgasm is the one that most satisfies me). When my wife and I felt I was TS I started my transition with her blessing. All of a sudden my breasts developed and my voice pitched. But most of all this cramping I always got before seemed to be worse. It was the cramps we booked an appointment with my MD for since we didn't yet understand me. He commented about my breast devlopment and voice. He thought about it and sent me for a saliva test, blood work, x-rays and an MRI. The tests came back and blew our minds to say the least. Please don't ask me to quote all the medical jargon they and a lot of sites on ISism and some people here refer to because that would be like asking me to talk a foreign language. What I can tell you is the main points he emphasized - high estrogen, nil androgen ( and yes even he felt my kids are lil miracles in that I don't really have enough androgen- and yes they are mine (God does wonders)), I actually have a healthy uterus, one testi and one ovary, meaning my cramps are a true period ( I have other symptoms too with the cramps),lactose organs etc. As a matter of fact he told us if my vagina devloped properly (opened all the way inside instead of just part way) I would have a 78% chance of successful child rearing. My chances are this low due to the little bit of male parts I was given. As I stated, this was not something I asked for, I was settling into transition as a TS. But now at least all my mysteries about my body and mind over the years are answered and I am happier with it.
In my opinion, until you get your medical testing done sometime then I wouldn't dwell overly much on it. Just focus on your self and your transition until the day comes to be tested. I was lucky my MD did the tests as I live in a part of Canada where minds are conservative-you are either male or female and no in between. Anything in between is a freak and deserves what he or she gets (beat up, humiliated etc). Good luck.
Kim :angel:
What you said is defnitely true, I'd absolutely love to be IS because of the fact that I would have proof that I was meant to be a girl and you really can't blame me for wanting that and I do admit that I want that. Just the knowledge that I have mostly female inetrnal parts, an Ovary or hell even an Ovoteste would be nice one because I would know why I look the way I do and two because it would put my mind at ease on the period thing.
I know I really shouldn't dwell on it but I'm young and the want to be a female in everyway is just too much, I am a female, a teenage gril but to know I had the parts to back myself up would be something I'd be happy about.
I'm more then likely going to see about getting tested but until then I'm probably going to be thinking about it a lot.
Anyway thanks for the info Kim, I really appreciate your response to this. :D
Quote from: shanetastic on February 08, 2008, 05:22:46 PM
Quote from: mara on February 08, 2008, 03:43:53 PM
Try being 6 feet tall, and 115 lbs
True, I guess I could always be skinnier :P
I wish I were skinnier, Lol.
Quote from: siouxsie on February 08, 2008, 06:07:08 PM
Quote from: mara on February 08, 2008, 03:43:53 PM
Try being 6 feet tall, and 115 lbs
There is a word for that, it's called transorexia. Eat a cheeseburger already!
LMAO!!!!!!
Quote from: mara on February 09, 2008, 01:33:59 AM
Quote from: Kim on February 08, 2008, 05:14:29 PM
Krista,
One thing I have found with some, not all mind you, but some TS' is the wish or hope they are more than TS and they try to find things to prove they are IS. Some may very well be, while others probably not. I am IS. I did not seek to be. I thought I was TS. But a lot of things did not add up for me. Firstly, as I read posts after posts written by TS' here I noticed the things they were feeling and writing about I wasn't experiencing even remotely. The more I read the more I still felt different but didn't know why. Secondly, the physical side of it. I am what some girls jokingly call IS to the extreme. I have a partial opening behind my sack area (partial in that it only goes so deep but is closed on the inside so nothing goes right inside me. I can get most of a normal size vibrator inside but not all the way and it is sensitive inside the area I can use. I have a clitoral area on my shaft just above that area. When my wife is intimate in this area (both the 'vagina' and 'clitoris' or just one or the other) I explode like I never exploded before when using the penis. I actually have 2 types of orgasm - I can feel one inside (and a little does flow to my head to discharge) and the one I should have for my birth gender. The inside one (female type orgasm is the one that most satisfies me). When my wife and I felt I was TS I started my transition with her blessing. All of a sudden my breasts developed and my voice pitched. But most of all this cramping I always got before seemed to be worse. It was the cramps we booked an appointment with my MD for since we didn't yet understand me. He commented about my breast devlopment and voice. He thought about it and sent me for a saliva test, blood work, x-rays and an MRI. The tests came back and blew our minds to say the least. Please don't ask me to quote all the medical jargon they and a lot of sites on ISism and some people here refer to because that would be like asking me to talk a foreign language. What I can tell you is the main points he emphasized - high estrogen, nil androgen ( and yes even he felt my kids are lil miracles in that I don't really have enough androgen- and yes they are mine (God does wonders)), I actually have a healthy uterus, one testi and one ovary, meaning my cramps are a true period ( I have other symptoms too with the cramps),lactose organs etc. As a matter of fact he told us if my vagina devloped properly (opened all the way inside instead of just part way) I would have a 78% chance of successful child rearing. My chances are this low due to the little bit of male parts I was given. As I stated, this was not something I asked for, I was settling into transition as a TS. But now at least all my mysteries about my body and mind over the years are answered and I am happier with it.
In my opinion, until you get your medical testing done sometime then I wouldn't dwell overly much on it. Just focus on your self and your transition until the day comes to be tested. I was lucky my MD did the tests as I live in a part of Canada where minds are conservative-you are either male or female and no in between. Anything in between is a freak and deserves what he or she gets (beat up, humiliated etc). Good luck.
Kim :angel:
You know that really is true... My opinion is just go get tested for it... Dont dwell on it. Well said hear hear.
And I am not transorex I could out eat any one on the forums any day, and I do eat just about my weight in food every minute.
thank you
I agree andlike I said to a lot of the posts I've replied to I more then likely will. It may take som time though as I'm afraid of the results (ie being told that I'm not IS and just perfectly normal.)
Quote from: shanetastic on February 09, 2008, 02:42:33 AM
We just have an uber fast metabolism duhhh!!! :D
I eat the world daily and people just stare at me in shock when they see how often I eat lol. Yet people still seem to harass me because I don't weigh anything. . . to them
It's a good thing having a fast metabolism though, you can eat anything. Lol.
Quote from: siouxsie on February 09, 2008, 08:06:42 PM
Quote from: mara on February 09, 2008, 01:33:59 AM
And I am not transorex I could out eat any one on the forums any day, and I do eat just about my weight in food every minute.
thank you
Seriously, 6' 115 lbs. is extremely thin. If you have the bone density of a bio-male, even more so. Even the 6 feet+ supermodels weigh more than that. I'm not trying to harass you or anyone else, but in my opinion either you are lying or your health is in jeopardy. If this is really the case, I urge you to seek help immediately.
My cousin who is a boy-boy is 6 feet tall and weight like 90 lbs and he's as healthy as a horse, he just has a fast metabolism. ;)
Quote from: Kim on February 09, 2008, 08:48:33 PM
QuoteTry being 6 feet tall, and 115 lbs
Somehow this topic seems to have turned towards this instead of Krista. It happens. Only thing I can say to this weight thing is Mara could be the hide and seek champion-just turn sideways and nobody will see you!!LOL - at least that's what people tell me (I'm 130 somehow because I am tiny)
Lol, I noticed that...
Quote from: shanetastic on February 09, 2008, 09:25:03 PM
Quote from: Kim on February 09, 2008, 08:48:33 PM
QuoteTry being 6 feet tall, and 115 lbs
Somehow this topic seems to have turned towards this instead of Krista. It happens. Only thing I can say to this weight thing is Mara could be the hide and seek champion-just turn sideways and nobody will see you!!LOL - at least that's what people tell me (I'm 130 somehow because I am tiny)
lololol.
Back on topic!!! Get it checked out Krista! By the time were down talking about weight you'll have your answer :)
Lol, thanks shanetastic.
I really can't believe you just replied to like ALL that Krista lol.
KUDOS!! :D
Hopefully you can get a test sometime to see if you're intersexed sometime.
Quote from: shanetastic on February 09, 2008, 11:13:05 PM
I really can't believe you just replied to like ALL that Krista lol.
KUDOS!! :D
Hopefully you can get a test sometime to see if you're intersexed sometime.
Lol, thanks. It took me like a half of an hour to do it. :D
I'm very dedicated. ;)
Hopefully, but like I said I'm really afraid to because of the results... I would be sad if tey said no I wasn't.
Quote from: Krista on February 10, 2008, 12:26:28 AM
Quote from: shanetastic on February 09, 2008, 11:13:05 PM
I really can't believe you just replied to like ALL that Krista lol.
KUDOS!! :D
Hopefully you can get a test sometime to see if you're intersexed sometime.
Lol, thanks. It took me like a half of an hour to do it. :D
I'm very dedicated. ;)
Hopefully, but like I said I'm really afraid to because of the results... I would be sad if tey said no I wasn't.
Either way, I mean it doesn't discredit who you are or how you got here. I understand what you mean in a sense, but really like it's not that big of a deal.
Quote from: shanetastic on February 10, 2008, 12:32:36 AM
Quote from: Krista on February 10, 2008, 12:26:28 AM
Quote from: shanetastic on February 09, 2008, 11:13:05 PM
I really can't believe you just replied to like ALL that Krista lol.
KUDOS!! :D
Hopefully you can get a test sometime to see if you're intersexed sometime.
Lol, thanks. It took me like a half of an hour to do it. :D
I'm very dedicated. ;)
Hopefully, but like I said I'm really afraid to because of the results... I would be sad if tey said no I wasn't.
Either way, I mean it doesn't discredit who you are or how you got here. I understand what you mean in a sense, but really like it's not that big of a deal.
No it doesn't but if I find out and it's no in a sense I'll be grieving. In my mind I'll have lost all of my would-be children, my babies, I guess in a maternal way I'll think that they are gone. That just kills me inside.
What do you mean exactly Krista?
Is my mind blanking out here because I've been overworked! Or is just some dumbness showing on my part tonight lol
Quote from: shanetastic on February 10, 2008, 01:39:15 AM
What do you mean exactly Krista?
Is my mind blanking out here because I've been overworked! Or is just some dumbness showing on my part tonight lol
Well think of it this way, your under the impression or have the thought in your head that you can have children or at least get eggs harvested from your ovaries to have children... but a doctor tells you no that can't happen... you'd feel like you had lost something, even though it was something you never had, it'd be apparent now that you could never have a baby and it would make you pretty sad... at least it would me.
I hope that makes more sense... sorry if it doesn't I don't really know how to describe it.
Quote from: Krista on February 10, 2008, 01:44:54 AM
Quote from: shanetastic on February 10, 2008, 01:39:15 AM
What do you mean exactly Krista?
Is my mind blanking out here because I've been overworked! Or is just some dumbness showing on my part tonight lol
Well think of it this way, your under the impression or have the thought in your head that you can have children or at least get eggs harvested from your ovaries to have children... but a doctor tells you no that can't happen... you'd feel like you had lost something, even though it was something you never had, it'd be apparent now that you could never have a baby and it would make you pretty sad... at least it would me.
I hope that makes more sense... sorry if it doesn't I don't really know how to describe it.
Okay yeah wow, def blond moment or something. Anyways I understand where you're coming from now a lot better hehe. In that case, I have pretty much no clue what to say. I mean, there are other options out there but I can feel the loss. I have no chance of ever having a child of my own, but I mean for myself I just sorta remind how much I'm sacrificing to enjoy my life. Sure, it's selfish, but hey, you can only live for other people for so long. Either way, I mean, you're going to have okay news or some devastating news. With whatever answer comes, just try to remember it happens for a crazy reason. I know it's pretty optimistic and fate sounding, which ironically I don't believe in. . . (or do I?), but it'll work out for the best. Just work on enjoying your life for the time being, your still way young! There could be scientific advances for all we know right now in another 10 years!
My health is not in Jepoardy, geez people leave a girl alone already.
I'm healthy as a ox,,, just a really fast metabolism,
If its any constellation, its in my genes that when I get to be about 30 I will become Fat, so yeah...
The world is fair somehow,....
BTW I do have a little pudge goin on from my former drinking days, and back in high school I was 5 10 and 94lbs...
People are always giving me ->-bleeped-<- about being skinny, but for once it works to my advantage as a girl, SO THERE...
Quote from: shanetastic on February 10, 2008, 01:50:18 AM
Quote from: Krista on February 10, 2008, 01:44:54 AM
Quote from: shanetastic on February 10, 2008, 01:39:15 AM
What do you mean exactly Krista?
Is my mind blanking out here because I've been overworked! Or is just some dumbness showing on my part tonight lol
Well think of it this way, your under the impression or have the thought in your head that you can have children or at least get eggs harvested from your ovaries to have children... but a doctor tells you no that can't happen... you'd feel like you had lost something, even though it was something you never had, it'd be apparent now that you could never have a baby and it would make you pretty sad... at least it would me.
I hope that makes more sense... sorry if it doesn't I don't really know how to describe it.
Okay yeah wow, def blond moment or something. Anyways I understand where you're coming from now a lot better hehe. In that case, I have pretty much no clue what to say. I mean, there are other options out there but I can feel the loss. I have no chance of ever having a child of my own, but I mean for myself I just sorta remind how much I'm sacrificing to enjoy my life. Sure, it's selfish, but hey, you can only live for other people for so long. Either way, I mean, you're going to have okay news or some devastating news. With whatever answer comes, just try to remember it happens for a crazy reason. I know it's pretty optimistic and fate sounding, which ironically I don't believe in. . . (or do I?), but it'll work out for the best. Just work on enjoying your life for the time being, your still way young! There could be scientific advances for all we know right now in another 10 years!
Lol, I'm platinum blonde naturally... I know what it feels like. :D
I know and if the news is devastating it'll take some time for me to move on.
Actually, 6 foot and 90 pounds cannot be that healthy since that probably means that your frame and ligaments are very very light (candidate for osteoporosis?, no fat and little muscles!!
Even with a high metabolism, I'm sure my 150 pounds, with lots of muscle,
burns much more calorie than someone at 90-110 pounds. I can stay at a stable weight while eating 2800-3000 calories a day.
That's a LOT of calories. Even after 18 months HRT can still
bike at 35 mph for a mile, don't think someone with 90-110 pounds could do this.
My frame is small, but its covered with mucho muscles and
some fat, that's why
I fit in size 6 tops and size 4 bottoms even with all that muscle.
Some people need to starve themselves to fit into that size, if
I starved myself to 125 and lost muscles I'd fit in size 0.
But, at 6 foot tall, don't think I'd look too good!!! Muscles give curves too,
not just fat.
Still, its possible for me to gain weight in the right place even with that
high metabolism. Estrogen means that you'll strip the fat from the stomach
if you run any caloric deficit and if you got any and any supplement will
put in on the tigh, breast, face and buttocks.
Keira,
I am currently 5'11.5" and 115lbs... In high school I was 5'10" and 94lbs...
I can bench press my weight plus 10lbs (125lbs) rep10 easily... I'll make a video if this discussion that I'm some weak, ostoperosis ridden, sickly, undernourished disscussion continues.
SERIOUSLY I AM FINE... can we please stop taking over this girls thread,, shoot I will make a new thread so you all can slag me off about how skinny I am there at least....
BTW Are you saying my little pudge on my stomach is gonna go to my hips, boobs, and butt on HRT??? Cause that would be so awesome....
I wasn't talking about you specifically Mara.
Sorry if I did collateral dammage with my mouth (happens...)
Though, I'd like to relativise the high metabolism thing.
Everybody's got a different opinion of high metabolism.
When I was training twice a day 5 times a day for 10 years
for my track and field
I could eat 5000 calories a day, I was just one bundle of
lower body muscles. I had a funny shape with a huge lower body
and a tiny upper body.
if I compare myself to anyone, I've got an insane
metabolism, yet I can gain weight anyway, Just
need to know what to eat and what my caloric
equilibrium is. Once you know that. You just
set yourself a diet. It can be healthy, no
need to pig out.
Quote from: mara on February 10, 2008, 11:44:44 AM
My health is not in Jepoardy, geez people leave a girl alone already.
I'm healthy as a ox,,, just a really fast metabolism,
If its any constellation, its in my genes that when I get to be about 30 I will become Fat, so yeah...
The world is fair somehow,....
BTW I do have a little pudge goin on from my former drinking days, and back in high school I was 5 10 and 94lbs...
People are always giving me ->-bleeped-<- about being skinny, but for once it works to my advantage as a girl, SO THERE...
Sorry, I should mind my own business. I'm sure you look fantastic!
no worries everybody, I was just being more sarcastic.. Not trying to be rude, just funny... lol
Heres a pic of me, i dont think I look that bad...
(https://www.susans.org/forums/gallery/4643_10_02_08_7_08_57.jpg)
You look great sweetie! You make lots of girls jealous, TGs AND GGs!
Hi Mara
I'm not going to argue with you I am 5' 3" and weighed 98 lbs for a good many years then went down to 85 lbs for a few years just before I began going full time 8 years ago. I didn't realise it but because of stress and hating who I was I kind of forgot to eat and went down to 85lbs.
Well now I am up to 130lbs and I have this dreadful pot I wish I could get rid of, but I am afraid to fall in to my old pattern if I try to loose weight. Well for a remedy to this Wing Walker and I have taken to walking every day. Well the good thing is that I didn't have all that much muscle before because of extreme weight loss, but I do have some fat where it should be. As for your weight I believe that this is something for you to think about and not for anyone else to harass you about.
Cindy
Quote from: mara on February 10, 2008, 11:44:44 AM
People are always giving me ->-bleeped-<- about being skinny, but for once it works to my advantage as a girl, SO THERE...
Haha seriously mara. I get crap for it probably at least three times a week on minimum. I just want to scream at them and be like OMGOSHSHSHS shut up already I don't care!!! Anyways though I have no doubt that you can be healthy and underweight or right on the verge of it. It's in some peoples genes, and it's difficult to stuff yourself all day everyday. . . not to mention expensive for us people who are poor :P
Besides I'm with you. We'll both probably be fat in another ~15 years lol. My brother keeps reminding me of that hehe. Anyways, looking good as always mara! Making everyone jealous as usual probably too :D
P.S. Krista sorry for ninjaing the thread again I promise to get back soon hehe.
Yes it is a lovely picture of you Mara. Didn't notice the pic until I had submitted my previous post to you. Take care and be well hon.
Cindy
Posted on: February 11, 2008, 01:05:46 AM
Hi Shanetastic, I do pray everything is well with you .Well anyway if you and Mara get harassed about being slightly underweight let me know and I'll beat them upside the head with my lolly pop. Gee I still have the hair on my lollipop from the last person I beat up on last time. ;D
Cindy the Fairy with the tummy pot..
I didn't mean to harass people, sorry if I offended anyone. I'm asking my account be deleted.
Why, dont worry no one was harrassed please dont leave....
I liked your input... please dont leave...
Quote from: siouxsie on February 11, 2008, 09:29:16 AM
I didn't mean to harass people, sorry if I offended anyone. I'm asking my account be deleted.
I wasn't talking about you siouxsie hehe.
I was talking about people in general that I meet on a daily basis.
Posted on: February 11, 2008, 11:14:50 AM
Quote from: cindybc on February 11, 2008, 01:11:21 AM
Hi Shanetastic, I do pray everything is well with you .Well anyway if you and Mara get harassed about being slightly underweight let me know and I'll beat them upside the head with my lolly pop. Gee I still have the hair on my lollipop from the last person I beat up on last time. ;D
Cindy the Fairy with the tummy pot..
Haha good I'll start the list of people that I run into for you Cindy :P
well basicly i have the same question...
So i opted not to open separate topic. I was born a boy but i also always knew
i was in fact a female, girl or whatever you wish to call it.
But i kept silent about my feelings, rarely even mentioning it to anyone. At the
beginning of puberty at some 12-14yo i learnt that there are many more like me
so it was like abvious... i am a transsexual, it all made sense...
I statrted therapy and was refered to endo some time later. Endo ordered some
tests, including ultrasound of gonads. it revealed u small lump, a tumor so i had it
removed some time ago. After some time a pathological analysis was complete on
my removed teticle, and it stated it contained large amount of "estrogen producing
tissue" whatever that is... and also traces of smth (some parts of gonads) that
suggested "shifting from one gonad to another in embrional development".
My karyotype is 46,XY. My hormone levels before the tumor was discovered were
abnormal for male with FSH and prolactine very high, LH and estradiol high and T low
but normal.
I have notcably underdeveloped genitalia (my crotch really looks empty when i wear pants)
even though i am quite male looking (i'd say some 65%male 35%female) i
can' stop wondering abou posibly beeing intersexed.
I get the feeling that my doctors don't know or don't want to get themselves
involved in something they are not familiar with, and basicly rely only on karyotype.
Any suggestion, information, or guideline is highly appreciated :)
Hi Mari. This irritates me to no end. I don't know beans about being intersexed, but I have known at least three of the girls here that have experienced the similar problem as you, just this past winter. I really don't know why these Dr's react unconcerned about such a situation. I just know that legally your regular health insurance should cover corrective surgery in a hospital. I don't know if that is why they drag their feet. But I have also heard that this could also create some serious complications when you get older if not looked after. Now all I have said here is only what I have heard others say on this board, not the end all and be all. I can only suggest that you get a second opinion from a specialist. If this problem should be looked after.
Cindy
i think that they believe i am just a regular "T" girl making this up, to some point,
just to justify myself >:( i am from small developing country, where beeing
even gay or lesbian, let alone trans, gender queer, intersex is considered a big deal...
i am just really anxious to start my transition regardless weather it is sex assignment
or sex re-assignment..
Even though i am precieved as a male, or efeminate male at this point i have mixed
secondary sex characteristics... I am 6'1'', somewhat overweight, with planty of body
hair and prominent facial hair, but also i alway (since my childhood) had some degree
of gynecomastia, and hips wide beyond any male proportion, and .... ehm a really
big butt :P but some of doctors i deal with ignore that and just look at body hair and
karyotype...
I mean, i am transitioning anyway, but i would really love to know am i trans or intersexed....
-best wishes-
Posted on: April 03, 2008, 02:59:03 AM
hey... just reminding you of me :angel:
so.. if anyone had similar experience pls tell me smth about it;
there are virtually no other sources of information about this
than first hand expirience...
what are the criteria for qualifying as intersexed?
which specialist is the best for diagnosing is condition(endo?, etc)?
basicly, who can help me about this?
thax in advance