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* Nero heads out to the enchanted forest on this lovely winter's day to visit the unicorns. Though he is no maid, let alone a virgin, the divine beings tolerate his presence and his curiosity.*

Some of you have shared with me that you once identified as transsexual. I wonder how common that is among you.
Also curious as to possible reasons you felt led in that direction or for those who never steered towards that path, possible reasons it wasn't attractive to you.

For those who did identify as transsexual, what steps toward manhood or womanhood did you take?


* Nero bows * You honour me by putting up with my relentless interrogations.

m2f ts, I changed my name and did 24/7 rlt for over a year before coming to conclusion that I was something else... I'm still figuring out what that something is  ;)

Z

a few months, i just told some people, then i learnt right.

Why do you call us Unicorns Nero?


edit* forgot to answer the question LOL -- No never identified as transsexual.

and Pica lovely avatar, very clockwork orange almost :)

I identified as transsexual before my true gender came to light; I identify as transsexual since my true gender came to light.

I did.
I stopped just short of coming out.


I don't know why you would not feel welcome here Nero you always bring good questions, and who says you need to be a virgin? :eusa_shifty:

Quote from: sd on February 23, 2008, 01:37:53 PM
I don't know why you would not feel welcome here Nero you always bring good questions, and who says you need to be a virgin? :eusa_shifty:

Only a virgin maid may approach a unicorn.

Quote from: Nero on February 23, 2008, 06:26:58 PM

Quote from: sd on February 23, 2008, 01:37:53 PM
I don't know why you would not feel welcome here Nero you always bring good questions, and who says you need to be a virgin? :eusa_shifty:

Only a virgin maid may approach a unicorn.

Why do you call us unicorns?  o.0

Quote from: Nero on February 23, 2008, 06:26:58 PM

Quote from: sd on February 23, 2008, 01:37:53 PM
I don't know why you would not feel welcome here Nero you always bring good questions, and who says you need to be a virgin? :eusa_shifty:

Only a virgin maid may approach a unicorn.

Whoever made that rule is a moron.
Virgins are not as much fun.  >:D



I'm a bad unicorn.
I should be punished :icon_eyebrow:

Quote from: sd on February 23, 2008, 09:42:09 PM

Quote from: Nero on February 23, 2008, 06:26:58 PM

Quote from: sd on February 23, 2008, 01:37:53 PM
I don't know why you would not feel welcome here Nero you always bring good questions, and who says you need to be a virgin? :eusa_shifty:

Only a virgin maid may approach a unicorn.

Whoever made that rule is a moron.
Virgins are not as much fun.  >:D



I'm a bad unicorn.
I should be punished :icon_eyebrow:

now now  you know what htye say carefull what you ask for   >:D >:D >:D ;) :laugh:

What happens to bad unicorns:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4


hehehe :)

omg   alison my dear ROLF !! iam almost shocked alison almost not quite yet

tho  ;) ;)  whew now i got to clean my tv screan but it was well  worth it alison  whew!! :laugh:

As Monty Burns would say.....Exxxcelllent.....Exxxcelllent!   :laugh:   :laugh:   :laugh:

I thought I was a TS for about 5 months.  It was because I didn't know there was another choice.

I don't think I ever doubted who I was although way back when I was a kid, the GID was quite alive and well but I didn't know there was a label for it back then. For many years I had sexual mixed up with gender. Mainly because of a bad experiences involving sex. For many years I just didn't identify as one or the other. As I got older GID struck again and I only knew there was only one way to go.

So I am a fairy, can a fairy approach a unicorn?

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Cindy

Quote from: Alison on February 23, 2008, 09:50:43 PM
What happens to bad unicorns:

hehehe :)

AAAAAHHHHHH!
Okay, okay, I'll be good!
Just don't make me have to listen to those two unicorns again! :icon_ashamed:

...Yeah, that OP feels creepy.

Anyway.

Technically I've never identified as transsexual. I don't have dysphoria, minus the issue with my breasts. But that has never been enough to make me identify as transsexual. Just ???

what's the matter charlie???

He calls us unicorns cos he finds us a bit rare.

Quote from: cindybc on February 23, 2008, 11:57:40 PM
So I am a fairy, can a fairy approach a unicorn?

Cindy

They are often found in the same place.

Posted on: February 24, 2008, 01:19:36 AM

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Quote from: Pica Pica on February 24, 2008, 01:09:21 AM
what's the matter charlie???

He calls us unicorns cos he finds us a bit rare.

Is that to become the next "peeps"? 


By the way, I agree with Alison, your avatar has a very A Clockwork Orange appearance to it. Cool!

I have removed this post because some were taking it wrongly and for that I will say I am sorry, it wasn't meant to be hurtful to anyone. I apologize deeply for the misunderstanding.

Cindy

I hesitate to respond, because on someone's continuum elsewhere in the forums, I am still just playing with gender. Nevertheless, in January, when I first started looking online, mtf seemed to be the only answer. This forum has made me realize there are other options.

So, when my wife and I had our first serious discussions about this over the weekend, I said I wasn't seeking to change my sex or orientation, but I planned to continue pushing the gender boundaries. Something my supervisor said regarding stretching exercises resonated with me as an approach to gender: Push until you feel pressure; stop before you hurt something. The only thing I want to break are the boxes people put others into.

I don't know about unicorns, but I love being around dairy cattle. My wife, though, never understood when I told her her big brown eyes were as beautiful as those of a Jersey cow.

Simone

I had a friend who identified with unicorns, I might have loved her once. She now belongs to a televangelist Christian cult  :-\

I don't think I ever identified as transsexual, but I had considered it. Particularly last year as my dysphoria was getting real bad, and it still is. I did one of those stupid tests which suggested I could be a late onset transsexual. But I kept trying to imagine being a woman and it just did not fit. It was like an uncomfortable skin, kind of like the one I already have. I still have a sense of distaste at the thought of being a woman or a man.

Our beautiful gallant Nero is welcome in my part of the enchanted forest anytime, just look out for the winged monkeys.
edit: the satyrs also bite but if you give the some licorice they won't bother you. ;)

...that was creepy, alison.  ...i don't even know what to say...

I thought I was ftm, but I never felt it strongly enough to do anything about it.  Does that still count as identifying as transexual?  It first occurred to me because I always write from a male point of view. 

Quote from: cindybc on February 24, 2008, 02:07:40 AM
I have removed this post because some were taking it wrongly and for that I will say I am sorry, it wasn't meant to be hurtful to anyone. I apologize deeply for the misunderstanding.

Cindy

I can't imagine you hurting anyone even by accident.   I don't know what you removed, but I'm sure it couldn't of been too bad.

Posted on: February 24, 2008, 05:14:24 PM

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Quote from: NickSister on February 24, 2008, 01:43:02 PM
Our beautiful gallant Nero is welcome in my part of the enchanted forest anytime, just look out for the winged monkeys.
edit: the satyrs also bite but if you give the some licorice they won't bother you. ;)

Careful you.  Those Monkeys are my gods.

what makes you think any of us would mind being bitten (among other things) by a satyr?


You should be worried about winged televangelists, if anything.  But not in Unicorn land.  We sharpen our horns on them.

Quote from: Rebis on February 24, 2008, 05:18:46 PM
Careful you.  Those Monkeys are my gods.

what makes you think any of us would mind being bitten (among other things) by a satyr?

You should be worried about winged televangelists, if anything.  But not in Unicorn land.  We sharpen our horns on them.

"In the worlds before Monkey, primal chaos reigned. Heavens sought order. But the phoenix can fly only when its feathers are grown. The four worlds formed again and yet again, as endless aeons wheeled and passed. Time and the pure essences of Heaven, the moisture of the Earth, the powers of the Sun and the Moon all worked upon a certain rock, old as creation. And it became magically fertile. That first egg was named "Thought". Tathagata Buddha, the Father Buddha, said, "With our thoughts, we make the World". Elemental forces caused the egg to hatch. From it came a stone monkey. The nature of Monkey was irrepressible!"

I love 'Monkey', the TV series.

(One of the Satyrs has Rabies...)

Quote from: NickSister on February 24, 2008, 05:25:45 PM
I love 'Monkey', the TV series.

(One of the Satyrs has Rabies...)

Oh my God!!  it isn't the one with the blue eyes is it?  Because we...   Oh no!


There's a series called 'Monkey'?   Why wasn't I told of this?

Have you been eating the soap again Rebis?

Yeah, Monkey is great, is is old though.You could probably see some on Youtube.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_(TV_series).

There's soap I could be eating?


Why wasn't I told this?

Monkey was great....

and Cindy, sorry if I gave you the wrong idea, was being overvigilant for once...You are a lovely lady.

Quote from: Rebis on February 24, 2008, 08:11:17 PM
There's soap I could be eating?

Why wasn't I told this?

Sorry, you were frothing at the mouth and I only assumed.... hey, what have you been doing with the infected satyr  :o.

Just don't pass it on to the centaurs. You know how much I like my centaur, finger licking good.

Quote from: NickSister on February 24, 2008, 09:01:38 PM

Quote from: Rebis on February 24, 2008, 08:11:17 PM
There's soap I could be eating?

Why wasn't I told this?

Sorry, you were frothing at the mouth and I only assumed.... hey, what have you been doing with the infected satyr  :o.

Just don't pass it on to the centaurs. You know how much I like my centaur, finger licking good.

their fingers, or yours?   (I don't even know what that means)   :laugh:

Hi Pica Pica. Me still around, no problems hon.
Sometimes I just got to go hide under that rock with my little critter friend, two pairs of eyes glowing and blinking at you in the dark under the rock.

Cindy

Um. Now that we've all learned to distrust overly cheerful red and blue unicorns..  :D

For a while I considered myself MtF because, well, I want a female body. I've never really been near the high end of masculinity either, but on the other hand I've managed to find a social niche that doesn't feel like acting but doesn't result in abuse, so that's not really been a problem.  Over last summer it finally dawned on me on an emotional level that gender and sex are different, and that it's quite all right to wish to be where I am gender-wise while still having issues with my physical sex. This also led to the realisation that my solution to the physical issues does not need to be an either/or thing -- I don't need to pass perfectly as either male or female, it's sufficient to get somewhere where I'm comfortable with myself and don't get abused too much, just like what I've done with regard to gender.

I seriously still don't know whether I'm TS or not. Some low level of my brain expects to be in a female body, and I've been aware of this about as long as I can remember. On the other hand, the dysphoria is mild enough that I can weigh the pros and cons of various treatment options on both intellectual and emotional levels, and even come to the conclusion that keeping my male body parts is something I am willing to contribute to the relationship I have. Also, I have never really had a desire to be seen as a woman; I just want to be seen as something that fits in society. Right now I suppose I might consider myself a borderline TS, or a TS in remission.

As for taking steps, I went as far as to find a therapist, and get a finasteride prescription to delay hair loss. With the latter I was happy to find myself in the minority who get breast growth as a side effect, and at least for the moment that is sufficient to keep my somatic issues in check. Might look for surgical options for the hair issue later on, when it's clear how much of that is needed.

Mostly, though, I've just stopped worrying that people find out I'm not really a man.

  Nfr

Quote from: Seshatneferw on February 25, 2008, 06:55:38 AM
As for taking steps, I went as far as to find a therapist, and get a finasteride prescription to delay hair loss. With the latter I was happy to find myself in the minority who get breast growth as a side effect, and at least for the moment that is sufficient to keep my somatic issues in check. Might look for surgical options for the hair issue later on, when it's clear how much of that is needed.

Mostly, though, I've just stopped worrying that people find out I'm not really a man.

  Nfr

I seem to remember you wrote about the finasteride effect once before, as have I. I am taking the 5 mg dose to shrink the prostate. I chuckle that, given the supposed rarity of breast growth, there should be 2 of us so affected in this forum. I love my breast buds; they look just like the photos of Tanner Stage 2 that are on some other website. My wife has finally acknowledged that they are growing, but dismisses them as "so small", and can't understand why I would want them when she finds her much larger Stage 5 breasts to be a nuisance.

All I can say is small suits me fine at the moment; small lets me get used to them without coming out to the world at large. And they do keep growing--slowly. Will they ever reach Stage 3? How big will they ultimately get? Will other parts of my body react as if I were on hormone therapy? Yeah, it probably is time to see a gender therapist.

And as for being over the fear someone will find I am not really a man, sometimes and in some situations I feel that way, too.

Best wishes,
Simone

Quote from: Rebis on February 24, 2008, 10:16:00 PM
their fingers, or yours?   (I don't even know what that means)   :laugh:

;D - , Mine, after using them to eat fried centaurs. Kentucky Fried Centaur, finger licking good.

Centaurs and Unicorns aside - I have been thinking about hormones and what I would like to achieve. I think even a small change would be brilliant compared to the current status quo, but I guess hormones are not always so predictable. While I could quite happy if the hormones taking things further than intended (which they probably do eventually on doses that make a difference)  I don't think my wife would be so happy. I'm hoping we can strike a happy compromise. I think the psychological benefits are really where it is at, though my body dysphoria has been rather severe lately. I have not really found much information on hormone use for us non-binaries. At best I've heard mention that it is possible but nothing actually says what is possible and what is 'healthy'. I should probably go talk to an endo. 

One one hand I worry a bit about the possible side effects, not to mention loss of family, and being descriminated against for being this inbetween man/woman thing, but on the other I am pretty miserable now and declining slowly. I suspect I am comming to the balance point.

Interestingly Helen Boyds Husband Betty said that she is only taking an androgen blocker...

For many years I wanted to ID as a TS.  It was after all, the sexy deal, the prime gender deal, oh to change and make it all better.  Oh to be the top of the pops in the gender wars - how exciting is that.

But, given my nature, I did seek out others like that, and, in the end, found out that it was not me.  That is not saying anything for or against them, it just was not me, and that was open and shut.

(And, in no small terms, it was awesome to be in a place where that could happen.)

A couple if them are still very close friends, not the least of which was that I was as honest with them, as they had been with me.  They like me for being me, in the same way I like them for being them.

Though the entire virgin deal, I must admit I don't understand.  I worked 20 hours in a day last week putting on Marylin Manson, unicorns I get, virgins I never saw.

Hi well I did have a post but called it back to make a correction and *POOF1* The post is gone.

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Cindy

I never really identified with TS. But then again, I never really identified with Male, or Female. It crossed my mind, but it didn't really stick. Nothing really stuck until I thought Androgynous and I was like "Hey, that's me."

As a side note, I used to read some VERY old fables and stories, and I happen to know a bit of background as to why you have to be a virgin to approach a unicorn. Most people think it's because unicorns are afraid or dislike non-virgins, and actually that's not the case at all (at least not originally from what I learned in my research).

In fact, unicorns purify things. If there is a river that is doing poorly, the unicorn need just dip it's horn into the water and bam, it's fresh happy clean water. That's why the forests around unicorns are so beautiful and pristine, they are constantly being purified by unicorns. When a unicorn sees someone as not pure (which most people think of as being non-virgin, but it can also be not pure of heart) the unicorn tries to purify the person. Oddly enough, stabbing a human (usually through the heart) with the horn was fatal to humans (although it would still purify them, and thus they would die a virgin). So non-virgins shouldn't approach unicorns because they are DANGEROUS, not because the unicorns are afraid. (In certain stories a person who had done horrible things would go sacrifice them self to a unicorn in order to die pure of heart and go to heaven)

Luckily, I think most of the unicorns here have been taught to not stab random people, because it's just not polite. We'll gladly let someone continue along being happily non-pure.

Quote from: NickSister on February 25, 2008, 03:07:35 PM
Interestingly Helen Boyds Husband Betty said that she is only taking an androgen blocker...

That statement jumped out at me, too (I may have to read the book), so I went straight to our wiki. Finasteride is way down the list. Spironolactone and Cyproterone Acetate are most commonly used, though the latter can cause liver damage. The article said estrogen and androgen blockers are often used together, but not why or how they differ in action.

I have also wondered if a halfway hormonal treatment were possible and what effects it would have. I also worry about how if would affect social relationships and particularly the relationship with my wife. One of the other posters, I forget who, wrote about being on hormone therapy and stopping. Perhaps someone who has done that could write more about its effects.

Simone

Of all the books I've ever read about this, "My Husband Betty" is close to the worse.  At least in "Transexual Empire" JR makes a rational argument.  Even if its wrong.

I think I may be finding my way into this camp.

...and I always thought the androgynes were the bat->-bleeped-<-s of the bunch, even lumped in with ->-bleeped-<-s. How can you be something besides a boy or a girl? I guess I'll find out.

Quote from: Autumn on February 25, 2008, 10:35:36 PM
I think I may be finding my way into this camp.

...and I always thought the androgynes were the bat->-bleeped-<-s of the bunch, even lumped in with ->-bleeped-<-s. How can you be something besides a boy or a girl? I guess I'll find out.

Welcome welcome, we've been awaiting for you.  heh heh heh

seriously,  I hope you're feeling okay and if you need to talk, feel free to PM me.  You may be just having a confused time, or you may be alighting upon the limb to which you belong.


I apologize for the attempt at sounding poetic.


Rebis

Quote from: Autumn on February 25, 2008, 10:35:36 PM
I think I may be finding my way into this camp.

...and I always thought the androgynes were the bat->-bleeped-<-s of the bunch, even lumped in with ->-bleeped-<-s. How can you be something besides a boy or a girl? I guess I'll find out.

We are the bat->-bleeped-<-s of the bunch!
(And for the reason you mention)

Regardless if you stay or not, welcome.

Hi Autumn
I wish I could say something that would be useful to you but I don't really care to get caught between a rock and a hard place. I thought I posted something earlier that you are welcome to pop me over a PM if you wish Autumn hon. You want to know what androgynes are about, Well, for one I have never met one yet that has said anything obnoxious or vindictive or negative in any way towards me or to anyone else that I am aware of since I been on this board. I am no expert on the subject of androgynes, I don't think anyone is, but I can Identify with many of their traits, thoughts, feelings and emotions. They are certainly the farthest from being bat->-bleeped-<-.

Cindy

Quote from: Simone Louise on February 25, 2008, 08:09:26 AM
I seem to remember you wrote about the finasteride effect once before, as have I. I am taking the 5 mg dose to shrink the prostate. I chuckle that, given the supposed rarity of breast growth, there should be 2 of us so affected in this forum.

Yes, that was me. Then again, we don't know how many people on this forum have taken the stuff without getting this effect: the number might still be nicely in the  <1% range as claimed. I'm certainly not complaining, though.

Quote from: NickSister on February 25, 2008, 03:07:35 PM
Interestingly Helen Boyds Husband Betty said that she is only taking an androgen blocker...

From what I've understood, that isn't necessarily such a good idea: long term, you'd need a sex hormone to keep bone density. Either one will do, but having none is likely to result in osteoporosis.

Quote from: Simone Louise on February 25, 2008, 06:24:42 PM
Finasteride is way down the list. Spironolactone and Cyproterone Acetate are most commonly used, though the latter can cause liver damage.

Finasteride and dutasteride aren't really general-purpose androgen blockers, though: they only prevent testosterone from changing into DHT (and so the excess T changes to oestrogen instead). Bones will be happy with just the T, and the effects on sexuality are much milder, but so is also the overall de-masculinising effect. DHT is necessary for the development of a male foetus, though, so keep the *asteride away from women who might be pregnant.

Quote from: Autumn on February 25, 2008, 10:35:36 PM
...and I always thought the androgynes were the bat->-bleeped-<-s of the bunch, even lumped in with ->-bleeped-<-s. How can you be something besides a boy or a girl? I guess I'll find out.

Yes, we are. And yes, there's only boys and girls, just like there's only light and dark (and I'm serious -- it is entirely reasonable to conceptualise the world this way). It's just that we are the bat->-bleeped-<-s who notice that the lighter shades of dark and the darker shades of light have more in common with each other than either has with pitch black or supernova-bright light. Whether you need a separate name for those batty shades is open to debate, although we do have opinions.  ;)

Welcome, either for a short visit or a longer stay.

  Nfr

Quote from: Seshatneferw on February 26, 2008, 03:30:17 AM

Quote from: Autumn on February 25, 2008, 10:35:36 PM
...and I always thought the androgynes were the bat->-bleeped-<-s of the bunch, even lumped in with ->-bleeped-<-s. How can you be something besides a boy or a girl? I guess I'll find out.

Yes, we are. And yes, there's only boys and girls, just like there's only light and dark (and I'm serious -- it is entirely reasonable to conceptualise the world this way). It's just that we are the bat->-bleeped-<-s who notice that the lighter shades of dark and the darker shades of light have more in common with each other than either has with pitch black or supernova-bright light. Whether you need a separate name for those batty shades is open to debate, although we do have opinions.  ;)

Welcome, either for a short visit or a longer stay.

  Nfr

Funny, I thought of there being the black and white, and the TS showing up as the grey in between (until they fully transition), and androgynous as being the presence of actual color. Can I be blue?

(don't get me thinking too hard on this analogy though... I have studied color in from my years in drama club and computer science through the additive model (RGB) and years of art training using the subtractive model (RYB and CMY) with a dad that worked in the copy industry so a little bit of extra background in CMYK. And then if we start talking about hue and saturation and everything else my brain will explode. I swear, color is even more complex than gender!)

Even the Alpha and Omega do not come to an abrupt end of one and the other. Distance time and light could go on into infinities for they are an illusion. On both end of the spectrum, how many realities are there between each shade and beyond.?  Eh this don't really have anything to do with anything except a little cerebral exercise.
P.S. Should get Cindi here, she is eccelent at this kind of thing.

Cindy

Great. Bloody Marvellous.
Someone kindly describes us as not bat->-bleeped-<-, and everyone goes bat->-bleeped-<- on them.
Psychologically a person can be most things, to be honest boy and girl start not to enter into it all that much it seems, except as other places on the map that can be visited on holiday.
ANyway, watch Ace Ventura 2 - bat->-bleeped-<- can be priceless.

Quote from: Pica Pica on February 26, 2008, 08:41:18 PM
Great. Bloody Marvellous.
Someone kindly describes us as not bat->-bleeped-<-, and everyone goes bat->-bleeped-<- on them.
Psychologically a person can be most things, to be honest boy and girl start not to enter into it all that much it seems, except as other places on the map that can be visited on holiday.
ANyway, watch Ace Ventura 2 - bat->-bleeped-<- can be priceless.

People have gotten rich on guano, aka bat and bird ->-bleeped-<-.

But you're right about a person being able to be most things.  Whenever I hear or see people talking about things being either/or, I start thinking of instances where there is at least one example of them being wrong.  A single example is all you need to disprove an either/or type statement.  (It is one of the reasons I REALLY dislike people making statements like 'EVERYBODY does it.')

In high school I developed a reputation for being unable to answer a question with a simple yes or no answer.  Whenever someone asked such a question, I could easily think of instances where the 'wrong' answer was actually correct and the 'right' answer was wrong.  The phrase "It depends" seemed to fit things.

Life is a spectrum.

Quote from: Pica Pica on February 26, 2008, 08:41:18 PM
Great. Bloody Marvellous.
Someone kindly describes us as not bat->-bleeped-<-, and everyone goes bat->-bleeped-<- on them.
Psychologically a person can be most things, to be honest boy and girl start not to enter into it all that much it seems, except as other places on the map that can be visited on holiday.
ANyway, watch Ace Ventura 2 - bat->-bleeped-<- can be priceless.

I am unsure if I am responsible here or not.  :embarrassed:

Mine was meant to be more comical (with maybe a hint of truth ?), looking back I can see how it may have been interpreted the wrong way. Sorry about that, I sincerely hope no one took offense to it, or thinks that I was calling anyone here insane.  :icon_ashamed:

Ya there is bat->-bleeped-<- in the belfry. And i have once visited the bug house. When I graduated the school of nutery I came out with the papers that proved I was sane. Ya as I said in my post, I was just doing a little bit of cerebral exercise, which really had nothing to do with the bat ->-bleeped-<- discussion. Which in my opinion could be classified as hitting below the belt. "Oh my!" not nice, not very nice indeed, bad bad bad girl. Ok now I will resume giving you ten lashes with a sardine. "Hee, hee, hee." Yes I am in my prime of siliness this night. "Hey!" Just messin around ;D

Well, I still love you guys anyway.

Cindy

Quote from: sd on February 27, 2008, 03:18:43 AM
I am unsure if I am responsible here or not.  :embarrassed:

Mine was meant to be more comical (with maybe a hint of truth ?), looking back I can see how it may have been interpreted the wrong way. Sorry about that, I sincerely hope no one took offense to it, or thinks that I was calling anyone here insane.  :icon_ashamed:

I would be more offended if you didn't use the word "insane" in reference to me.

Oh my dearest Rebis, you are much to wise, intelligent and sensitive to be insane. A little shy maybe, but not insane, well at least the shyness feels more prevalent then the nuttery part, er insanity part. My nick name on the reservation was half nut. ;)

Cindy

Quote from: sd on February 27, 2008, 03:18:43 AM

Quote from: Pica Pica on February 26, 2008, 08:41:18 PM
Great. Bloody Marvellous.
Someone kindly describes us as not bat->-bleeped-<-, and everyone goes bat->-bleeped-<- on them.
Psychologically a person can be most things, to be honest boy and girl start not to enter into it all that much it seems, except as other places on the map that can be visited on holiday.
ANyway, watch Ace Ventura 2 - bat->-bleeped-<- can be priceless.

I am unsure if I am responsible here or not.  :embarrassed:

Mine was meant to be more comical (with maybe a hint of truth ?), looking back I can see how it may have been interpreted the wrong way. Sorry about that, I sincerely hope no one took offense to it, or thinks that I was calling anyone here insane.  :icon_ashamed:

Hi SD,

Can't speak for your peers, but here's my thoughts anyhow.

I know how you lovelies like to joke but describing yourselves as 'bat->-bleeped-<-' could be taken as belittlement of your gender. When one's gender, one's very identity is denied legitimacy even in the trans world, you should take yourselves, your gender, a bit more seriously, my friends.

Quote from: Nero on February 27, 2008, 11:03:12 AM

Quote from: sd on February 27, 2008, 03:18:43 AM

Quote from: Pica Pica on February 26, 2008, 08:41:18 PM
Great. Bloody Marvellous.
Someone kindly describes us as not bat->-bleeped-<-, and everyone goes bat->-bleeped-<- on them.
Psychologically a person can be most things, to be honest boy and girl start not to enter into it all that much it seems, except as other places on the map that can be visited on holiday.
ANyway, watch Ace Ventura 2 - bat->-bleeped-<- can be priceless.

I am unsure if I am responsible here or not.  :embarrassed:

Mine was meant to be more comical (with maybe a hint of truth ?), looking back I can see how it may have been interpreted the wrong way. Sorry about that, I sincerely hope no one took offense to it, or thinks that I was calling anyone here insane.  :icon_ashamed:

Hi SD,

Can't speak for your peers, but here's my thoughts anyhow.

I know how you lovelies like to joke but describing yourselves as 'bat->-bleeped-<-' could be taken as belittlement of your gender. When one's gender, one's very identity is denied legitimacy even in the trans world, you should take yourselves, your gender, a bit more seriously, my friends.

I have to say I disagree with you there, take something as stupid as androgyny seriously? 

Quote from: Pica Pica on February 27, 2008, 11:38:46 AM

Quote from: Nero on February 27, 2008, 11:03:12 AM

Quote from: sd on February 27, 2008, 03:18:43 AM

Quote from: Pica Pica on February 26, 2008, 08:41:18 PM
Great. Bloody Marvellous.
Someone kindly describes us as not bat->-bleeped-<-, and everyone goes bat->-bleeped-<- on them.
Psychologically a person can be most things, to be honest boy and girl start not to enter into it all that much it seems, except as other places on the map that can be visited on holiday.
ANyway, watch Ace Ventura 2 - bat->-bleeped-<- can be priceless.

I am unsure if I am responsible here or not.  :embarrassed:

Mine was meant to be more comical (with maybe a hint of truth ?), looking back I can see how it may have been interpreted the wrong way. Sorry about that, I sincerely hope no one took offense to it, or thinks that I was calling anyone here insane.  :icon_ashamed:

Hi SD,

Can't speak for your peers, but here's my thoughts anyhow.

I know how you lovelies like to joke but describing yourselves as 'bat->-bleeped-<-' could be taken as belittlement of your gender. When one's gender, one's very identity is denied legitimacy even in the trans world, you should take yourselves, your gender, a bit more seriously, my friends.

I have to say I disagree with you there, take something as stupid as androgyny seriously? 

Well, it's your gender. I sure as hell take mine seriously. If you'd rather be seen as a 'stupid' joke, by my guest. *shrugs*

Quote from: Nero on February 27, 2008, 11:03:12 AM
Hi SD,

Can't speak for your peers, but here's my thoughts anyhow.

I know how you lovelies like to joke but describing yourselves as 'bat->-bleeped-<-' could be taken as belittlement of your gender. When one's gender, one's very identity is denied legitimacy even in the trans world, you should take yourselves, your gender, a bit more seriously, my friends.

While I want to pull a "if you can't laugh at yourself....", you are right in this case. In another place and time it would have probably been okay but I forgot what the thread was about, which only makes it worse.  :eusa_wall:

I personally don't take my gender overly seriously, or my sexuality. But I try not to take ANYTHING too seriously. Then again, I also don't consider my gender to be trivial either. I suppose I find it fascinating. I do try and view it with a bit of levity.

I don't tend to consider myself crazy, and certainly not bat->-bleeped-<- crazy. I do consider myself perhaps a bit atypical, but that's fine. I know some do consider us crazy, and even some of us consider us crazy, and that's fine too. Sometimes people are prejudiced against us too, including some of us, and that's fine too.

In all honesty, I think most of us have it easier than most TS. Sometimes I even wonder if some of us have it even easier than the 'normals'. There are moments of fear, confusion, etc, but pretty much everyone has those, even normals (I am guessing that almost everyone out there has had the thought "Wait, what if I was really supposed to be the other gender?" at some point).

What it all comes down to is how do we handle it, and how do we cope? Most androgynes tend to cope with levity, siliness, and the refusal to take anything too seriously. Some cope with the utmost sincerity and concern. Some of us cope by over-analyzing.

So... are we crazy? Nah. We are just human.

Quote from: Pica Pica on February 27, 2008, 11:38:46 AM
I have to say I disagree with you there, take something as stupid as androgyny seriously? 

I'm curious as to why you consider androgyny to be stupid.  Is it just an off the cuff statement or do you have deep seated reasons for such a viewpoint?

Quote from: Rowan_Danielle on February 27, 2008, 12:37:24 PM

Quote from: Pica Pica on February 27, 2008, 11:38:46 AM
I have to say I disagree with you there, take something as stupid as androgyny seriously? 

I'm curious as to why you consider androgyny to be stupid.  Is it just an off the cuff statement or do you have deep seated reasons for such a viewpoint?

Thinking it was off the cuff. Pica feels serious enough about hir gender for deep analyzation, dissection and formation of hir own theories about it.

Off the cuff, but viewed about it from a longer shot, its all a bit silly. Being androgyne is fine, I have learned to accept it, but to think about it often as I do, to write about it, to wish to understand and publicise it - all wishes I have - seems bloody daft sometimes. I'm comfortable being androgyne, on the contrary, discovering myself to be so has made me whole and comfortable in myself for the first time ever. So sometimes it seems extremely ludicrous to be going on about it.

And besides, most things are silly, we are weird old animals humans, I'm sure a dog doesn't wish it were a bitch, or a mongoose wonder whether psychologically it is male or female.

It's not a joke, it's not bat->-bleeped-<- crazy and it's not a punchline, but it is pretty silly sometimes.

I take my gender very seriously, and have probably spent way too much thought and effort into understanding it. Not to mention the cost of buying every book on the subject of transgender  ::) If I didn't have a sense of humor about it, and the ability to laugh at myself sometimes, I probably would've ended up committed to the psych ward wandering the halls talking to self.

Z

Quote from: Pica Pica on February 27, 2008, 01:29:19 PM
Off the cuff, but viewed about it from a longer shot, its all a bit silly. Being androgyne is fine, I have learned to accept it, but to think about it often as I do, to write about it, to wish to understand and publicise it - all wishes I have - seems bloody daft sometimes. I'm comfortable being androgyne, on the contrary, discovering myself to be so has made me whole and comfortable in myself for the first time ever. So sometimes it seems extremely ludicrous to be going on about it.

And besides, most things are silly, we are weird old animals humans, I'm sure a dog doesn't wish it were a bitch, or a mongoose wonder whether psychologically it is male or female.

It's not a joke, it's not bat->-bleeped-<- crazy and it's not a punchline, but it is pretty silly sometimes.

We think and thinking is part of human sexual relationships.  That ability also makes it possible for us to wonder what it would be like to be on the other side of the gender spectrum.

It would be nice to not have to think about it though.

You know, sometimes I am not sure I even have a gender. Sure I have this gender identity we call androgyne - but really I think it could just as easily be the absence of gender or faulty gender or incomplete gender or even a gender without boundaries.

Can you take gender seriously when you don't really have one or have a broken one or have one with no margins? Yeah, it is serious business this whole gender lark but I think much of our efforts as androgynes is about resisting societies efforts to squeeze us into a limited hole when we are really the entire board including the hammer the holes and the pegs. We have no need for the rules and don't need to be tamed. I can laugh at my gender because it does not bind me (haha my non-gender, you undefined thing of beauty, my constant non-judgemental companion, free spirit that won't be tied down, whirling banshee...), unfortunately everyone else's gender wages war against me. My gender (I'm going to call it Bob, has a certain ring to it, my gender Bob, it looks like Pica pica but with black hair and it is handsome and beautiful and dapper and apologetically English in a way only Pica pica can be, with a dash of Slavic Cosak thrown in for good measure), my gender gets upset when others try to enslave us. This is what I struggle with.

So I guess the conclusion of my mini speech is that I take other people's gender very seriously, but my own, lovable free spirited creature it is, is a good laugh.

(actually I'm not sure if I have ever laughed at my gender, I think Bob would feel terribly wounded)

Quote from: NickSister on February 27, 2008, 02:26:55 PMMy gender (I'm going to call it Bob, has a certain ring to it, my gender Bob, it looks like Pica pica but with black hair and it is handsome and beautiful and dapper and apologetically English in a way only Pica pica can be, with a dash of Slavic Cosak thrown in for good measure),

Haha. Guess I'm the dash of Cossack thrown in. Such were my ancestors.

Quote from: Nero on February 27, 2008, 02:36:52 PM
Haha. Guess I'm the dash of Cossack thrown in. Such were my ancestors.

I believe there is a good chance of Cossack blood in my family. Both sides of my family are from Poland, and our ancestry includes Prussians and people from the shifting borders of Russia, Poland and the Ukrain. My wife is always saying I have slanty eyes that come from my Mongol ancestors and dark skin from Indian Gypsies  ;)

If you ever get a chance you should try to get your hand on a movie called "with fire and sword". Brilliant movie, I think you might like it. The Cossacks are really cool with their long moustaches that they tuck one end of behind their ears and they swagger around like land pirates, sword in one hand and smoking long pipe in the other.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/With_Fire_and_Sword_(film)

Quote from: Maddie Suzumiya on February 27, 2008, 02:18:25 PM
It would be nice to not have to think about it though.

yeah.

Posted on: February 27, 2008, 03:45:49 PM

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Quote from: NickSister on February 27, 2008, 02:26:55 PM
You know, sometimes I am not sure I even have a gender. Sure I have this gender identity we call androgyne - but really I think it could just as easily be the absence of gender or faulty gender or incomplete gender or even a gender without boundaries.

Can you take gender seriously when you don't really have one or have a broken one or have one with no margins? Yeah, it is serious business this whole gender lark but I think much of our efforts as androgynes is about resisting societies efforts to squeeze us into a limited hole when we are really the entire board including the hammer the holes and the pegs. We have no need for the rules and don't need to be tamed. I can laugh at my gender because it does not bind me (haha my non-gender, you undefined thing of beauty, my constant non-judgemental companion, free spirit that won't be tied down, whirling banshee...), unfortunately everyone else's gender wages war against me. My gender (I'm going to call it Bob, has a certain ring to it, my gender Bob, it looks like Pica pica but with black hair and it is handsome and beautiful and dapper and apologetically English in a way only Pica pica can be, with a dash of Slavic Cosak thrown in for good measure), my gender gets upset when others try to enslave us. This is what I struggle with.

So I guess the conclusion of my mini speech is that I take other people's gender very seriously, but my own, lovable free spirited creature it is, is a good laugh.

(actually I'm not sure if I have ever laughed at my gender, I think Bob would feel terribly wounded)

see my sig, Bob.

Quote from: Pica Pica on February 27, 2008, 01:29:19 PM
And besides, most things are silly, we are weird old animals humans, I'm sure a dog doesn't wish it were a bitch, or a mongoose wonder whether psychologically it is male or female.

Funny you should say that, but gender actually can be confusing for animals too. I grew up on a farm, and you see many strange things there.

Once I met a female goat that was pretty convinced it could mount a male goat, but we very NOT interested in being mounted herself, so I would say that goat was pretty convinced it was male, and that it preferred male goats (she completely ignored other female goats). I met a sheep that was intersex too (we referred to it as 'it' for a lack of better pronouns at the time). (side note, did you know that male sheep and goats masturbate? Well, sorta, more like self-oral)

My favorite strange animal was an emu though. Her name is Baby, and my parents still have her. She hates other emus. Male, female, it does not matter, she hates them, and will kill them. She gets along fine with goats however (although she likes to chase chickens and dogs, but means them no harm). However, she is attracted to humans. Primarily female humans. She's friendly with male humans, but usually doesn't express sexual interest. She however will flirt heavily with female humans (yes, animals flirt) however she is pretty much in LOVE with my mom and I (even though I am technically a male).

Quote from: Kir on February 27, 2008, 03:53:42 PM

Quote from: Pica Pica on February 27, 2008, 01:29:19 PM
And besides, most things are silly, we are weird old animals humans, I'm sure a dog doesn't wish it were a bitch, or a mongoose wonder whether psychologically it is male or female.

Funny you should say that, but gender actually can be confusing for animals too. I grew up on a farm, and you see many strange things there.

Once I met a female goat that was pretty convinced it could mount a male goat, but we very NOT interested in being mounted herself, so I would say that goat was pretty convinced it was male, and that it preferred male goats (she completely ignored other female goats). I met a sheep that was intersex too (we referred to it as 'it' for a lack of better pronouns at the time). (side note, did you know that male sheep and goats masturbate? Well, sorta, more like self-oral)

My favorite strange animal was an emu though. Her name is Baby, and my parents still have her. She hates other emus. Male, female, it does not matter, she hates them, and will kill them. She gets along fine with goats however (although she likes to chase chickens and dogs, but means them no harm). However, she is attracted to humans. Primarily female humans. She's friendly with male humans, but usually doesn't express sexual interest. She however will flirt heavily with female humans (yes, animals flirt) however she is pretty much in LOVE with my mom and I (even though I am technically a male).

Funny but true Kir.  We once had a neutered female dog who continually mounted male dogs, she really was a funny old thing.
I think animals can have as much confusion as we humans in many different ways.  Sheep that are kept as pets with other dogs particularly, will imitate dogs and we can assume, that they think they are a dog.
They probably don't lose any sleep over it, but the confusion is still there.  I suppose we have a habit of torturing ourselves being the humans that we are, we are all pretty good at that!

I don't know about the nuttery, but I talk to myself everywhere else. For instance, as I was getting into my car this morning outside the grocery store, I said: "Home, James", and the woman getting out of her car looked at me kind of strangely. Fortunately, she didn't call the cops; I hate being cuffed and shackled (but that's another story).

Being of German heritage, I take everything seriously, even humor. I try to live consciously, and gender is just one aspect of behavior and presentation to the world. So taking even my crazy gender thoughts seriously comes easy. Just one more thing to talk to myself about as I wander through the world oblivious to everything else going on about me.

Indeed, I have to devise rituals for myself or I would never be able to get beyond debating what to do next. Also, I am easily distracted. So, on mornings, when the temperature is below 40 degrees f, I wear the warmer jacket, scarf, gloves, and knit hat. When I enter the warehouse door, I remove one glove and unzip my jacket. I punch the time clock, set down my water bottle, remove the other glove and the hat. After pulling off one sleeve, I remove and fold scarf, remove other sleeve, put hat, glove, and scarf in sleeve, and hang up jacket. After a stop in the bathroom, I am ready to work. My boss has watched me and joked about how I must do the same thing everyday. If I am convinced there's a better way, I'll modify the ritual, but it will still be a ritual.

Being androgyne bothers me, I suppose, because I cannot as yet reduce it to ritual. In a sense, it would be easier to be mtf, because I could follow prescribed protocols (Or maybe not. I would still question each step). It's analogous to religion, I suppose. I could never follow another's prescriptions and proscriptions, but must be free to listen and analyze, though my final decision is usually intuitive, more than rational.

The point is, if there is a point, I love this group, because so much is open to questioning and to debate. There are leaders, but no authorities. Everyone seems to be living earnestly and consciously. Whether we are unicorns or simply crazy doesn't matter. We embrace life's pains and joys with appropriate humor and humility, and I should be doing the dishes and beginning to make sausages and penne, but got distracted. Sobeit.

Warm regards,
Simone

Quote from: Simone Louise on February 27, 2008, 05:57:07 PM
The point is, if there is a point, I love this group, because so much is open to questioning and to debate. There are leaders, but no authorities. Everyone seems to be living earnestly and consciously. Whether we are unicorns or simply crazy doesn't matter. We embrace life's pains and joys with appropriate humor and humility, and I should be doing the dishes and beginning to make sausages and penne, but got distracted. Sobeit.

Warm regards,
Simone

Hi Simone,

      I really like this part.

Quote from: Pica Pica on February 26, 2008, 08:41:18 PM
Great. Bloody Marvellous.
Someone kindly describes us as not bat->-bleeped-<-, and everyone goes bat->-bleeped-<- on them.
Psychologically a person can be most things, to be honest boy and girl start not to enter into it all that much it seems, except as other places on the map that can be visited on holiday.
ANyway, watch Ace Ventura 2 - bat->-bleeped-<- can be priceless.

DAMN!  I SO wanted to make a guano joke, but you beat me to it, Pica!  I should've checked back sooner!  I don't mind the bat->-bleeped-<- comment...I've been told several times that I am full of ->-bleeped-<- (I can't deny it...).  And here's my ->-bleeped-<--eatin' grin ;D.

Quote from: Nero on February 27, 2008, 11:03:12 AM
Can't speak for your peers, but here's my thoughts anyhow.

I know how you lovelies like to joke but describing yourselves as 'bat->-bleeped-<-' could be taken as belittlement of your gender. When one's gender, one's very identity is denied legitimacy even in the trans world, you should take yourselves, your gender, a bit more seriously, my friends.

Yes, yes, we do.  And we don't take ourselves so seriously that we would be offended by a comment that wasn't meant to be offensive.  :laugh:  We have to be light hearted.  I don't think we have a choice.  Whether that's a result of being androgyne or of our similar experiences, it is definitely one of the positive things that have come from it.

Quote from: Rebis on February 27, 2008, 07:45:54 PM

Quote from: Simone Louise on February 27, 2008, 05:57:07 PM
The point is, if there is a point, I love this group, because so much is open to questioning and to debate. There are leaders, but no authorities. Everyone seems to be living earnestly and consciously. Whether we are unicorns or simply crazy doesn't matter. We embrace life's pains and joys with appropriate humor and humility, and I should be doing the dishes and beginning to make sausages and penne, but got distracted. Sobeit.

Warm regards,
Simone

Hi Simone,

      I really like this part.

Me too.

Quote from: NickSister on February 27, 2008, 02:46:38 PM

Quote from: Nero on February 27, 2008, 02:36:52 PM
Haha. Guess I'm the dash of Cossack thrown in. Such were my ancestors.

I believe there is a good chance of Cossack blood in my family. Both sides of my family are from Poland, and our ancestry includes Prussians and people from the shifting borders of Russia, Poland and the Ukrain. My wife is always saying I have slanty eyes that come from my Mongol ancestors and dark skin from Indian Gypsies  ;)

If you ever get a chance you should try to get your hand on a movie called "with fire and sword". Brilliant movie, I think you might like it. The Cossacks are really cool with their long moustaches that they tuck one end of behind their ears and they swagger around like land pirates, sword in one hand and smoking long pipe in the other.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/With_Fire_and_Sword_(film)

The word "Cossack" came from the Turkish language and means "free man" or "one who accounts to no one."  They were some pretty tough guys and they were in my ancestry as told to me by my paternal grandmother.

I have no idea of how many Cossacks were transsexual.

As for me, generations downstream, I was 9 years old when I knew that my school uniform should have been a green jumper, white blouse, white or green knee-highs, and brown or black slip-ons instead of trousers, white shirt, bow tie, and dark shoes.  I was in-line, standing behind the girl whose attire I described and I felt a profound longing to be her.

Has this answered your poll question?

Wing Walker

Guano is apparently excellent tender  >:D

If a person can't look at theirself and genuinely laugh about some things, I don't envy them. The transsexual who wants their weenie cut open and inverted talking to the boy who says he's both male and female (or neither, depending on the day) - who's the pot and who's the kettle? From a normal human perspective.

See my signature. It's the human condition.

Though this thread's point about avodart not being a very strong anti-androgen kind of made me sad.

Few things are as important in life as a good sense of humor about yourself.  Those who can't take a joke are pretty much left out of the give and take banter that runs most social conversations. 

Thanks Tekla

I quite agree, I love using humor and it goes a long way when it comes to interacting with the outside word. I love to bring smiles and laughter. The way I figure it, why would anyone even think negative when they're too busy laughing their butt off.  Humor, imagination and book writing is what got me through all the lumps and potholes in the road of my life.

Cindy

Quote from: Autumn on February 27, 2008, 10:02:39 PM
The transsexual who wants their weenie cut open and inverted talking to the boy who says he's both male and female (or neither, depending on the day) - who's the pot and who's the kettle? From a normal human perspective.

Then again, the 'normal' human perspective would force everyone into one of the two main categories, despite clear evidence that there are people who don't fit either mold. Is that any more sane?  ;)

Quote from: Autumn on February 27, 2008, 10:02:39 PM
Though this thread's point about avodart not being a very strong anti-androgen kind of made me sad.

It's very strong (in the sense of making just about all DHT go away), it just isn't a general anti-androgen (in the sense of blocking the rest of the androgens, mainly T). Remember, it's really intended for men; it's just that for people like us its side effects are for the most part as desirable as its intended effects.

And there's no need to be sad about it, really. Figure out what you need and then try to convince an endocrinologist to figure out how to achieve that.

  Nfr

Humour has its place.

Quote from: Nero on February 28, 2008, 07:14:51 AM
Humour has its place.

It's place is mostly where it raises its head.

Quote from: Nero on February 28, 2008, 07:14:51 AM
Humour has its place.

That's true...I feel bad because I think we've taken over every thread you've started here lately.  I think our humor says a lot about us though.

Out of curiosity, am I the only one who has trouble staying serious for more than a few minutes at a time?  After a while, I have to do something or say something funny to make things light again.

Quote from: Jaimey on February 28, 2008, 07:58:06 PM
Out of curiosity, am I the only one who has trouble staying serious for more than a few minutes at a time?  After a while, I have to do something or say something funny to make things light again.

Pretty obvious where I fall on this one.

Quote from: sd on February 28, 2008, 08:31:58 PM

Quote from: Jaimey on February 28, 2008, 07:58:06 PM
Out of curiosity, am I the only one who has trouble staying serious for more than a few minutes at a time?  After a while, I have to do something or say something funny to make things light again.

Pretty obvious where I fall on this one.

emay ootay.

Quote from: Jaimey on February 28, 2008, 07:58:06 PM

Quote from: Nero on February 28, 2008, 07:14:51 AM
Humour has its place.

That's true...I feel bad because I think we've taken over every thread you've started here lately.  I think our humor says a lot about us though.

Oh no no no, darlin. I adore you all. My unicorns can do no wrong. I find you all comical and adorable. I was just concerned that you guys don't really look at your gender and thus - your identities as a joke.

My gender and my identity are both hilarious as hell, but are not jokes to me.    :laugh:

Quote from: Nero on February 28, 2008, 08:38:14 PM
Oh no no no, darlin. I adore you all. My unicorns can do no wrong. I find you all comical and adorable. I was just concerned that you guys don't really look at your gender and thus - your identities as a joke.

My gender, 'tis a strange and unusual gift from the universe, a lifelong spiritual quest and a cosmic joke from a g-d/dess like being with a slightly weird sense of humor, all in one.

Z

what if one of us turned evil?   What near havoc would they almost cause?  Nearly.

Think one of you has.

who?

Quote from: Rebis on February 28, 2008, 08:48:44 PM
what if one of us turned evil?   What near havoc would they almost cause?  Nearly.

Glad I was not drinking anything when I read that. :laugh:

Hi Rebis and Jaimey

QuoteOut of curiosity, am I the only one who has trouble staying serious for more than a few minutes at a time?  After a while, I have to do something or say something funny to make things light again.

Pretty obvious where I fall on this one

The only time I am not serious is when I am ill but I haven't caught a cold in four years and I am healthy as a wart hog in a mud puddle. Wing Walker says she tried the mud puddle and it didn't work, Paw paw dalin has a cold. I guess I better get the chicken noodle soup out, maybe If I beat her up with one of the wet noodles in the chicken noodle soup, think it might work?

Unicorn Lady

.(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi11.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa191%2Fcynthiag932%2Funicorn-400.jpg&hash=fb0ab45416d6e3b3d564323dcf5f92633c3ce3c3)

you can only try.

i've often wanted to be evil, but am far to self-concious for it.

Quote from: Pica Pica on February 29, 2008, 06:38:27 AM
you can only try.

i've often wanted to be evil, but am far to self-concious for it.

You kill me.

Quote from: Jaimey on February 28, 2008, 07:58:06 PM
Out of curiosity, am I the only one who has trouble staying serious for more than a few minutes at a time?  After a while, I have to do something or say something funny to make things light again.

No, I have a definitely smartass streak ;)

Quote from: Nero on February 29, 2008, 07:23:41 AM

Quote from: Pica Pica on February 29, 2008, 06:38:27 AM
you can only try.

i've often wanted to be evil, but am far to self-concious for it.

You kill me.

yes.  but does that count as evil?  Hmmmmmmmmmmm?   >:D


signed,

>:D

I can't even kill an insect, unless it's one of those blood sucking type, then I could always call Stomping Tom to come over and put them in a jug then dig dig dig a big big big hole, heck, to much diging. Hmmmmmmmmm what about  Gusev impact crater on Mars? Would it be a big enough? don't you think, no, yes? .  ;)

Cindy

Quote from: Nero on February 28, 2008, 08:38:14 PM

Quote from: Jaimey on February 28, 2008, 07:58:06 PM

Quote from: Nero on February 28, 2008, 07:14:51 AM
Humour has its place.

That's true...I feel bad because I think we've taken over every thread you've started here lately.  I think our humor says a lot about us though.

Oh no no no, darlin. I adore you all. My unicorns can do no wrong. I find you all comical and adorable. I was just concerned that you guys don't really look at your gender and thus - your identities as a joke.

Oh, thank goodness.  I was feeling really down and thinking that people think I take them lightly made me feel worse (and I am so ridiculously drunk right now that I hope that last sentence made sense).  I feel better knowing that my humor doesn't make anyone feel bad...I should stop drinking and go to bed...it was a rough day...


my skin is numb...numnumnum... :icon_drunk:  i need a hug

*hugs*

Make all the jokes you want.  We've already voted to kick your behind if ever any one of us ever meets you.   >:(



(that's a joke)


*hugs*

With a frozen boot? Or how about waking them long side the head with a sucker fish.  ;D ;D

Cindy

Quote from: Rebis on February 29, 2008, 10:32:48 PM
We've already voted to kick your behind if ever any one of us ever meets you.   >:(

Is that a promise?  >:D

Quote from: Jaimey on March 01, 2008, 02:23:10 AM

Quote from: Rebis on February 29, 2008, 10:32:48 PM
We've already voted to kick your behind if ever any one of us ever meets you.   >:(

Is that a promise?  >:D

Yes it is.     ;)

Posted on: March 01, 2008, 06:44:14 PM

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Quote from: cindybc on March 01, 2008, 12:48:11 AM
With a frozen boot? Or how about waking them long side the head with a sucker fish.  ;D ;D

Cindy

Using fish as weapons?   Sounds fishy.

We've been using fish as weapons for years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCwLirQS2-o

you fiends!

OK, what about a sardine?

Cindy

sardine's won't work if they're from a can.  They tend to fall apart.  Maybe a fresh one, though.


Good idea.  I'll see if there's a place for you on the council I'm gathering to replace all armaments with fish.

"Hee, hee," little old evil me. I just happen to own the sardine factory on the other side of the crick.  ;D

Cindy 

Sardines could be a weapon in psychological warfare.  Every time your target orders pizza, put sardines on it.  After a few weeks of not being able to get a pizza without sardines, they will break and you will be victorious. 

...???  Where did that come from?  I worry myself sometimes...especially when I dance like this  :icon_geekdance:  heh. ;)

Hi Jaimey, we can dance together, I love dancing. I can dance most people until they are to pooped to dance anymore. Hey that might be a way to render the enemy unconscious.

Cindy

Quote from: cindybc on March 03, 2008, 03:21:38 AM
Hi Jaimey, we can dance together, I love dancing. I can dance most people until they are to pooped to dance anymore. Hey that might be a way to render the enemy unconscious.

Cindy

Skyclad?

My silver jump suit and cape?

Cindy

Personally, I like to dance in nothing but a tiara and a pair of flip flops, but that's just me.  :icon_yikes:  Terrifying.

Quote from: Jaimey on March 05, 2008, 08:13:30 PM
Personally, I like to dance in nothing but a tiara and a pair of flip flops, but that's just me.  :icon_yikes:  Terrifying.

mmmm can I watch?

I have had the thought ocasionally but after a few seconds I think "Nah, Id like to keep my penis, my male name and live mostly in the middle, leaving it to people to see me as either female or male"

;)

Quote from: Nero on March 06, 2008, 07:23:18 AM

Quote from: Jaimey on March 05, 2008, 08:13:30 PM
Personally, I like to dance in nothing but a tiara and a pair of flip flops, but that's just me.  :icon_yikes:  Terrifying.

mmmm can I watch?

maybe...if you behave.  do you have a tiara?  :icon_eyebrow:

Plastic tiaras are usually readily available at just about any toy shop. I'm sure we can collect the money to buy one each for you and Nero, although I suppose he might prefer a more masculine crown. ;)

  Nfr

I don't think any mere human can survive being nude anywhere within reaching distance of Nero.   :laugh:


Nero the Ravager

Of course not. But we're not talking about mere humans: Jaimey's god, as I recall. Self-proclaimed, but so what -- that's just part of the American dream.

  Nfr

2005 was year of trans conflicted feelings for me. Luckily, I saw a therapist, and as time went by I realized I don't always feel particularly "male". That year was just the strongest for me.

Does anyone else have periods in their life where they feel more one gender than the other?

Quote from: Max on March 07, 2008, 09:10:49 PM
Does anyone else have periods in their life where they feel more one gender than the other?

Certainly.

I have found though that when I most matched my body was also when others could most easily recognize that I was not a typical male. 

Quote from: Seshatneferw on March 07, 2008, 10:31:20 AM
Of course not. But we're not talking about mere humans: Jaimey's god, as I recall. Self-proclaimed, but so what -- that's just part of the American dream.

  Nfr

Damn skippy.  It's about time everyone realized it too.  :D

Quote from: Max on March 07, 2008, 09:10:49 PM
2005 was year of trans conflicted feelings for me. Luckily, I saw a therapist, and as time went by I realized I don't always feel particularly "male". That year was just the strongest for me.

Does anyone else have periods in their life where they feel more one gender than the other?

For me, it's more of a realization that I'm not one or the other, but I can, at times, fit in with both binaries.  I'm just me...which, if you look up just a bit, is God.  :D

Quote from: Max on March 07, 2008, 09:10:49 PM
Does anyone else have periods in their life where they feel more one gender than the other?

Yes! What do you expect when society (whoever that is) continuously and arbitrarily moves the boundaries?

Last night, my wife told a friend of ours that she would wear a dress to services at our congregation. My wife changed her mind, and our friend found herself the only one there not wearing pants. That's a big change from when I was younger.

Simone

Quote from: Simone Louise on March 08, 2008, 10:12:17 AM
Last night, my wife told a friend of ours that she would wear a dress to services at our congregation. My wife changed her mind, and our friend found herself the only one there not wearing pants. That's a big change from when I was younger.

That was a big change just in my lifetime.  When I was little, I always had to wear a dress and my mother and grandmother always wore dresses.  Now I couldn't tell you the last time I saw my mom in a skirt at church.  It's a good change, though.  :)

Quote from: sd on March 08, 2008, 01:22:26 AM

Quote from: Max on March 07, 2008, 09:10:49 PM
Does anyone else have periods in their life where they feel more one gender than the other?

Certainly.

I have found though that when I most matched my body was also when others could most easily recognize that I was not a typical male. 

I'm glad I'm not alone. That was a hard year for me because I had never felt more male for such a long period of time. Now, it varies in increments like a month or maybe even a week. Heck, sometimes even day to day I may flip flop genders. I agree with what you say about feeling the most in touch when your identity is a bit obscure.