would you be kind enough to state your vaginal depth and the doctor responsible for that
also, if anyone has any information about the depth promised by each doc.
Depth is determined usually by the intestines preventing any further depth. Additionally depth for most MtF post-ops is the same as natal females.
Five inches with skin grafts. Dr. Meltzer.
And yes kirakero is correct. Depth depends on anatomy and surgeons usually go for what it is "normal". A five inch vagina in a genetic female is a pretty normal depth and hence a good end result for us (me?)! :P
tink :icon_chick:
I always doubt what those who went to a Thailand surgeon often brag they got 6 or even over 7 inches depth... cause the depth doesn't only depend on how much skin grafts you can get, but also depends on your body's anatomical structure. After all, do we really need it as deep as 6 or even over 7 inches? I remember I read somewhere a 30 years post-op said she just got about 4.5inches without problem for penetrative sex. Actually according to her experience, for intercourse there is no big difference between a 5 inches penis and 7inches one...
dr. bower's girl here. she was able to give me a six inch depth. seven months post op and counting.
Hello all,
Ok firstly I'm now just under 6 months post-op. I went to Thailand to see Dr. Chettawut Oct of last year. Having viewed my pictures that I had sent him and taking into account my age, I'm an older transtitioner, he said he would strive for a depth of 5 to 6 inches, BUT, I would likely need an addtitional skin graft.
The day after arriving in Bangkok I had my first face to face consult with him and upon examination he again said that he would strive to give me a depth of 5 to 6 inches and that I would require the addtional skin graft. He MADE it very clear to me that UNTIL he actually had me opened up on the table that he could not be certain as to the depth he could achieve. This being due to everyone having a differing anatomy. The pelvic anatomy of a M2F is considerably different then a natal woman ie our pelvic opening tends to be much more oblong then round, and hence the actual location of the vaginal opening and the douglas pouch determining the depth.
He was able to achieve a depth of 5 1/2'' and I was told that with digilent dialation that I could improve upon that by up to 1/2 inch. I have taken 6 months off work and have dialated quite diligently and my depth now today is 6'' and there is also a bit of stretch that can occur as well up to perhaps another 1/2.
I started having sexual relationships with men at 4 months post-op. I have yet to have a man 'Bottom Out In Me'. I have had sex with 8 men now and they have ranged from 5 1/2'' to 8'' in length. How much my daily routine of dialation ( 4 - 5 hours a day ) has played in that I am not sure.
None of the men I have been with are aware that I'm a T and none of them have found anything peculiar with my vagina other then my being somewhat tight compared to other woman they have had sex with.
NOTE: Natal womans vagina's range from 3 to 4 inches when flacid; HOWEVER unlike US, when aroused their vagina's lengthen by 150 to 200 percent, whereas ours are pretty much a fixed length ie depth.
ANOTHER NOTE: This is never talked about for some reason beyond me. Satisfactory depth can be achieved I think by most reputable surgons today. What is not talked about is girth of the vaginal opening. You may have a 6 or 7 inch depth but if your limited to a 1'' thickness of penis then you will find yourself limited to pencil dicks for sex or very uncomfortable and or painful sex other wise. This for you pre-op girls is the most difficult part of dialation. As you must stretch the inflamed PC muscle daily and over time work the opening thru it larger and larger. All of this being done while it is inflamed from the intial surgory and fighting the scar tissue trying to narrow it. I now dialate with a 1 1/2 x 7 inch smooth silicone dildo ( way more comfortable the the lucite stents ) for 2 hours a day. On those days when I'm aroused and time to dialate I will sometimes use an 1 5/8 thick realistic silicone one in conjunction with the smooth one. One other note that I have. When meeting someone I will push about a teaspoon full of lube into my vagina ahead of time, and lightly lube the opening. I have yet to have any problems with leakage from this.
Byee,
Brina
My surgeon was Dr. Preecha, I achieved 6" of depth (there was no skin to use for my vaginal lining, its all colon), but I totally agree with Brina about the width.
Successful intercourse depends mostly on your width, if you are lacking the width you need, you won't be able to take anything. If you can use the biggest dilator in your set given by your surgeon, you should be able to accomodate most men. If you achieve around 5 inches of depth more or less, you should be fine, thats enough. If you watch straight porn, you will see well endowed men can't put it in all the way. I know some people on this forum have talked about natal vaginas stretching more than our ones, but they can only stretch so much, they have organs restricting the size they can take too, they have digestive tract plus the cervix to worry about. A guy with a long penis will hit a woman's cervix and it will be painful. So I would not worry too much about other ts women bragging about their depth, a lot of women exaggerate their results as part of ego. This is not a big dick competition, the important thing is the individual can have comfortable intercourse once they have healed.
I'm glad Brinna mentioned thickness and gave some recommendations in that regard.
I am aware from some of our past activities that the really impressive (physically) lovers are quite often those for whom thickness is impressive as opposed to length.
Still, length is so heavily fetishized that it's only natural to hear "5-6 inches" and wonder if that will be "enough"
Quote from: Laura Hope on September 10, 2009, 09:31:08 PM
Still, length is so heavily fetishized that it's only natural to hear "5-6 inches" and wonder if that will be "enough"
In order to get 100% of his length inside you, you'll need to be pretty damn flexible. More often than not, there is probably an inch or so of penis that'll never make it in your vagina.
Dr. Biber, 1974, and he had damned little to work with, 4", maybe a little more.
In 35 years (and too much misbehaving) that is sufficient 98% of the time. There are ways to compensate for the other 2% ::)
I have over 6" of depth and Marcie Bowers was my surgeon. I marked my dilators soon after surgery and the depth has remained constant. The opening is quite tight and since I wasn't having sex, I didn't always use the largest dilator. Now that I'm contemplating sex, I've had to work back up to the largest dilator (1 1/2") and it was gone well. I was worried I wouldn't get it back but I have.
6". Dr. Sanguan was my surgeon.
Quote from: DawnL on September 13, 2009, 11:18:10 PM
I have over 6" of depth and Marcie Bowers was my surgeon. I marked my dilators soon after surgery and the depth has remained constant. The opening is quite tight and since I wasn't having sex, I didn't always use the largest dilator. Now that I'm contemplating sex, I've had to work back up to the largest dilator (1 1/2") and it was gone well. I was worried I wouldn't get it back but I have.
Hi. i was wondering if you can orgasm. and have a natural looking vagina with marcie bowers. ttyl. thank winter88
Suporn girl here with just over 6 inches or 16 cm. I didn't need skin grafts.
I have 6.5 inches with my legs spread and 7 with them closed ;) all thanks to Dr. Marci Bowers. No skin grafts and i'm at 1.5 inch diameter!
Quote from: Hayley Rivka on November 03, 2011, 01:53:05 PM
I have 6.5 inches with my legs spread and 7 with them closed ;) all thanks to Dr. Marci Bowers. No skin grafts and i'm at 1.5 inch diameter!
Thats just as much depth as suporn gives his girls. does the marcie vags look natural or do they have scars? when did you have srs? and have you reached the big O yet?
Quote from: winter88 on November 03, 2011, 02:21:53 PM
Thats just as much depth as suporn gives his girls. does the marcie vags look natural or do they have scars? when did you have srs? and have you reached the big O yet?
I can't imagine that there wouldn't be any scars at all. There are scars, but one side is already beginning to fade though I doubt all of it will every fade completely. I had my surgery this past September 7th and it does happen to look rather natural. I haven't reached the big O yet rather just a small o, but i'm getting there.
Quote from: Hayley Rivka on November 03, 2011, 04:49:45 PM
I can't imagine that there wouldn't be any scars at all. There are scars, but one side is already beginning to fade though I doubt all of it will every fade completely. I had my surgery this past September 7th and it does happen to look rather natural. I haven't reached the big O yet rather just a small o, but i'm getting there.
I THINK IM GOING TO LET MY SCARS LIVE IN THE BEST CREAM SO THEY CAN DISSAPEAR LOL. ITS GOOD THAT YOU HAD ATLEAST A SMALL O ONLY AT 1 MONTH AND A HALF POST OP THATS GREAT. DO YOU HAVE SENSATION INSIDE THE CANAL OR ON THE LABIA CLIT AREA ONLY? OR MAYBE BOTH? NOT SURE.
WELL IM SUPPOSED TO GO TO SUPORNS LAIR ON THE 14TH WHICH IS LIKE 11 DAYS AWAY AND ALREADY SENT DOWN PAYMENT OF 35OO BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IM CANCELLING BEACUSE I KEEP HEARING BETTER THINGS ABOUT MARCIE AND BAD THINGS ABOUT SUPORN.
I KNOW I WILL HEAR GOOD AND BAD ABOUT BOTH SURGEONS, BUT IVE REALIZED THE ONLY BENEFIT SUPORN HAS OVER MARCIE IS 1 OR 2 MORE INCHES OF DEPTH, THATS REALLY IT. MARICE WILL MAKE ME ORGASMIC JUST LIKE SUPORN WILL, AND I THINK HER RESULTS LOOK FAR MORE NATURAL.
IVE SEEN 3 SUPORN GIRLS UP CLOSE AND PERSONNEL AND ALTHOUGH I ACCEPTED IT I THOUGHT THEY LOOKED AWFUL. THE HOLE IS SO HUGE LIKE THEY GAVE BIRTH AND OBVIOUS SCARS WOW REAL UGLY.
AND THEY ARE IN PAIN MUCH LONGER DUE TO A MORE INVASIVE SURGERY WERE THEY HAVE TO DIALATE LONGER AND I HEAR ITS MORE PAINFUL, AND THEN TO GET BACK ON AN AIRPLANE FOR 24 HRS ON A PLANE SITING ON YOUR NEW VAG FOR 24HRS??? AND DEAL WITH THE FLOODINGS IN THAILAND NOT KNOWING IF A BIGGER FLOOD WILL COME? WAYYYYYY TO MUCH DRAMA FOR ME.
I HEAR MARCIE IS NO PAIN OR VERY LITTLE PAIN. QUICKER RECOVERY LESS DIALATION. MORE NATURAL LOOKIN.
I THINK IM GOIN TO HER.
I ALSO MET HER AT A SEMINAR AND SHE SEEMS NICE
I can't say anything for or against Suporn, but Marcie was in-network in my insurance and so my entire surgery was covered. I got results that even exceeded her expectations! The recovery was rather quick and I was surprised at how well it all went.
Marci's dilation routine is fairly easy to follow. Start 3 times a day for about 15-20 minutes and drop to twice a day after 3 months, then down to once a day after 6 months. The instructions call for 15 but I usually do it for 20. At 2 months out I find that even when I skip the second dilation of the day, I still have no issue reclaiming it in the evening, and i'm on 1.5" dilator now.
The only thing anyone should be prepared for is that while in the hospital you will barely see Marci and may feel abandoned or that she has a poor bedside manner. The truth is she's not there because there's really no reason to be. The nurses generally take very good care of you, always on hand to assist and very friendly. If you have any kind of issue when you get out of the hospital, she is however available a phone call away and will do what ever she has to in order to make sure you're ok. She is VERY dedicated to your needs. I have been communicating with her regularly via email, text and phone and she always responds fairly quickly. If I have concerns about something in particular, I let her know and even send a photo of what is concerning me and she responds ASAP. I'm very glad I chose to go to her!
7 inches from Christopher Ingelfield in London.
He came to see me every morning of the 8 day stay.
3", up to 5" if i use a very narrow object. Used to be 8". Dr. Suporn was my surgeon. He is very attentive to his patients and has a good bedside manner so I will say that in his favor. Also, you want a wide opening because otherwise it could shrink so you want to start out with as much width as you can get.
@winter do what feels right but don't be afraid of flying on your new vag... Its easy. Suporn will give you a letter requesting for wheelchair and a comfy seat. Though i felt good enough and didnt need it at all. I recovered easily but worrying all the time will only lead to a delayed and harder recovery!
Also, he provides a donut cushion that you can sit on during the flight. It works wonders. :)
Quote from: Dàwkbua on November 04, 2011, 12:13:53 PM
Also, he provides a donut cushion that you can sit on during the flight. It works wonders. :)
i cancelled my surgery. im going to marcie bowers :>
i feel she can make me orgasm and will give me a natural looking vagina too. plus her recovery is much faster. dialation is way easier and you are back to your regular energy level within 1 month. and can start having sex at 6 weeks.
the only advantage that i belive suporn has over marcie is that he will be able to give me 1 to 2 more inches of depth which i dont feel is worth flying overseas for and goin through a longer more strenuous painful recovery.
im sure marcie will give me enough depth and if she dont i can always do a skin graft. i mean im not gonna go all the way to thailand for the promise of 1 more inch and then end up not being able to dialate beacuse hole closes up like yours did. i feel so bad for you i wish there was something i can do for you dawkbua.
your tragedy is one of the many reasons i canceled suporn, anything can happen with any surgeon.
so why go all the way to thailand to get the same thing you can get here.
i have a friend that went to suporn and just had sex for the first time and shes 18 months post op and the guy read her cuz her vag doesent look real.
so i dont know what the suporn hype is all about beacuse they say he makes such natural lookin vags with so much depth and yet u cant even dialate yours and my friend got read when she spread her legs.
all in all i think suporn is a lot of hype.
marcie can give me orgasms and a result more natural or as natural. and enough depth, suporn has no gurantee on anything
marcie here i come! lol
Quote from: winter88 on November 04, 2011, 05:24:13 PMi feel she can make me orgasm and will give me a natural looking vagina too. plus her recovery is much faster. dialation is way easier and you are back to your regular energy level within 1 month. and can start having sex at 6 weeks.
6 weeks :o I should have gone to Dr Bowers!
Quotei feel so bad for you i wish there was something i can do for you dawkbua.
Thank you. :) I am able to dilate now but only to 3" which is enough if I can maintain it (that's the iffy part).
Just like Nothern jane, I'm a long post op.
You girls will find out that the tissue will become more flexible in years, so, you don't need all that depth.
It will take a year for the scars inside to heal, using a biodilatator (man) is the most funny part of dilating.
So, don't worry about depth.
Quote from: Hayley Rivka on November 03, 2011, 04:49:45 PM
I can't imagine that there wouldn't be any scars at all. There are scars, but one side is already beginning to fade though I doubt all of it will every fade completely. I had my surgery this past September 7th and it does happen to look rather natural. I haven't reached the big O yet rather just a small o, but i'm getting there.
What about sensitivity and response? The thing that always tempted me to Thailand was the reputation of being highly...stimulate-able. If Marci can match that...
Quote from: Tammy Hope on November 05, 2011, 02:55:43 AM
What about sensitivity and response? The thing that always tempted me to Thailand was the reputation of being highly...stimulate-able. If Marci can match that...
Well theres girls on here plus a friend of mines that rave about orgasms with marci. missyzanta on here says oh my god it feels great and she orgasms tons of times and gets real wet. and why i belive her is beacuse i have a friend of mine that also went to marci and describes it just like that, she gets real wet and is sensitive and says she can pop orgasms back to back. so far all the marcie girls ive talked too report orgasm. ive talked to 3 meltzer girls on here that cannot orgams, ive met 2 brassard girls that cannot orgasm.
so its marcie for me.
yes suporn and chetawut make u super sensate but so does marcie. but belive me a marcie vagina doesent get clocked when a suporn one does.
he leaves you with a big gaping hole and a urethra hanging out of it and obvious scars.
a friend of mine that went to suporn just had sex for the first time since she had srs last year with suporn and the guy she slept with clocked her vagina. she also needs lube she doesent get real mosit were marcie girls get super wettt.
so this myth about suporn being this srs god is something i would take with a huge grain of salt. ! its a lot of hype if you ask me.
the reason you dont find anything bad about suporn online *although i have cuz ive dug deep* is beacuse he has someone constantly surf the web and threaten litigation against them if they dont take it down. he even made ann lawrence site take his results down. the photos on his site are cherry picked. and i know a girl that went to suporn and made a negative video of him and now all those videos are gone. lol.
woooow
Quote from: annette on November 04, 2011, 07:07:54 PM
Just like Nothern jane, I'm a long post op.
You girls will find out that the tissue will become more flexible in years, so, you don't need all that depth.
It will take a year for the scars inside to heal, using a biodilatator (man) is the most funny part of dilating.
So, don't worry about depth.
Hey girl i had a question i was wondering about and who better than to ask someone whos been post for some time now.
i recently read that a post op vagina is thinner than a gg vagina and could prolapse which i think means cave in or what not or the back wall could get a hole? not sure but somethin like that
was wondering if this is something to be worried about or its not common.
oh and fistulas?
plus i read somewere that urination within a post op becomes easier to leak due to a weaker bladder cuz of the cramped small space in there between the rectum and bladder pressing? not sure if im getting this all right.
that coughing and sneezing causes you to leak pee sometimes lol. it sounds funny but this is what i read. ttyl.
Quote from: Tammy Hope on November 05, 2011, 03:32:27 AM
woooow
are u saying wow cuz i know so much?
ive been doin research on srs surgeons for 6 years and am coming to a decision lol
Sorry Winter88, I couldn't give you an answer earlier because of the time difference.
I need to go to sleep some time.
But, to answer your question, I'm post op for 27 years, never had prolapse, or leaking from urine and I'm in my late fifties allready, yeah, time flies when you're having fun.
Fistula can happen, even with cis girls, I think I'm lucky never having some.
When I read the posts it looks that there are only a few surgeons who can do the job, believe me, there are far more surgeons.
But that's the internet, when someone had an operation and is talking about the benefits of it, evrybody thinks, hey, that's the place to go.
I had my srs in the Netherlands but there are also excellent surgeons in the UK or other countries.
Cons of having surgery in Europe is that they are very expensive, not for Europeans because of the healthcare system, but people outside of the EU pay the price.
I don't complain about sensitivity and of course I did have sexual relationships in the last 27 years, with men and women, I've never been clocked.
Multiple orgasm's are possible, sure it's hard working, but it's nice work to do.
You are right to study the results from surgeons, you only have one chance, so it better be a good one.
But, remember, also the best surgeon can have a bad result on a bad day.
Than the healing process, it's so personal, depending on what shape you are, genetics, and so on.
So, there are a lot of factors who will have influence on the final results.
To end my reply, as you can imagine, I'm very happy with the results, I do have a very good life after surgeon.
Hope I did answer your questions correctly.
hugs
Annette
Quote from: annette on November 05, 2011, 04:29:10 AM
Sorry Winter88, I couldn't give you an answer earlier because of the time difference.
I need to go to sleep some time.
But, to answer your question, I'm post op for 27 years, never had prolapse, or leaking from urine and I'm in my late fifties allready, yeah, time flies when you're having fun.
Fistula can happen, even with cis girls, I think I'm lucky never having some.
When I read the posts it looks that there are only a few surgeons who can do the job, believe me, there are far more surgeons.
But that's the internet, when someone had an operation and is talking about the benefits of it, evrybody thinks, hey, that's the place to go.
I had my srs in the Netherlands but there are also excellent surgeons in the UK or other countries.
Cons of having surgery in Europe is that they are very expensive, not for Europeans because of the healthcare system, but people outside of the EU pay the price.
I don't complain about sensitivity and of course I did have sexual relationships in the last 27 years, with men and women, I've never been clocked.
Multiple orgasm's are possible, sure it's hard working, but it's nice work to do.
You are right to study the results from surgeons, you only have one chance, so it better be a good one.
But, remember, also the best surgeon can have a bad result on a bad day.
Than the healing process, it's so personal, depending on what shape you are, genetics, and so on.
So, there are a lot of factors who will have influence on the final results.
To end my reply, as you can imagine, I'm very happy with the results, I do have a very good life after surgeon.
Hope I did answer your questions correctly.
hugs
Annette
thanks for the info girl. right now i have my heart set on marcie bowers. have you heard anything bad or good about her
From what I have read on this forum, it seems to be a good surgeon with a lot of experience, so, it's not a bad choice.
There are people here who had their srs with dr Bowers and they were very satisfied, but also mcGinn girls, Brassard girls.
So, there is a lot of choice, pick the best one for you and go for it.
Good luck honey
Annette
maybe there really are postops who have sex and orgasms after 6 weeks but its the luck of the draw and may be due to their own youth and excellent physical condition and body sensitivity and maybe its due to the surgeon cutting and sewing things absolutely perfectly aided by the incisions all joining up and healing perfectly without a stray bug getting in and making some nasty infections and problems - add all the variables and its a gamble we take in order to get rid of the male bits.
If having great sex and multiple orgasms is essential then the dice are loaded agin it and better keep that single shot penis and leave the multiorgasms to the GGs who have machine gun vaginas and partners who can work their triggers right.
as for the big gaping hole and urethra I have to ask how you expect to get a sizable hole where there aint one naturally without some stretching and swelling and how the bladder can be emptied during the recovery without a urethra? The surgeon has to cut the natural urethra pretty close up to the bladder and push and pull the stump around to get it thorugh the vagina lining and thats a shock that will upset it and may make it relectant to work properly for some days or weeks with no guarantee of when it will settle down and maybe the shock to it will make it susceptibel to involuntary leaking during coughs, sneezes, arousals... LOL
as for friend being clocked when she spread her legs - such malespeak - I was just looking at vaginal surgeries and the size and shape of the natural thing is so variable that anyone who can clock a neo must be using Playboy centrefolds as the yardstick - as why else is there a big industry in vaginal trimming and reshaping in USA? The guy who clocked her from her vagina shagged her anyway - which says what about males?
The hole in back is the fistula and it is a big worry and its caused by the scalpel going a trifle too far when the surgeon is trying to make the super deep hole to accept the superstuds. in theory all male bodies are same but if things are a fraction differnet then the scalpel can cut right into the anus and that causes the big problems.
then you say if marcie doesn't give you enough depth you can go for skin graft..crazy!
over here lots of girls go to Chet or Suporn and are very happy with the results.
Just under 5" at present, ~ 4 3/4" it was 5 1/2" the first few days post op.
Dr. Sanguan Kunaporn.
Frankly, the difference is due to less outer swelling if you ask me.
Initially I sat on quite a bump (perineum) now it's a lot less i.e. about ¾" less - the difference in my current depth...
Next, I have NO idea where these 6" and 7" depths would come from, or better – should go to.
Putting in the dilator I ALWAYS hit that "back-wall" (as does any gg also) it's some portion of the pelvis, and there is just no further to go - maybe having one of these curved dilators that might find more depth pointing toward the navel inside? Really? Maybe...
Speaking to my beautician, she says 5" max. and probably less - 150% - 200% stretching is a absolute myth.
I'd had heard 100% which would make 8" - 10" for a gg's vj depth?! There is no way to go that deep... that's a ggs take.
She knows her way around in there, due to having a Mirena (intra-uterine device), and initially needed some regular checking inside (if all was still in place).
Having had myself a ~ 5 1/2" outie pre-op, I had more then one partner that I bumped inside and no one adding this magic claimed added % gg-depth either. YMMV
Lastly, unless using a very specific position, a male will not easily - if at all - put all his endowment inside of you. Usually ~ 1" will be "spare" and do not forget the penis also is not some acrylic piece of rod, it also is flexible - quite a bit actually.
My 2 cents,
Axelle
Quote from: lilacwoman on November 05, 2011, 09:25:32 AM
maybe there really are postops who have sex and orgasms after 6 weeks but its the luck of the draw and may be due to their own youth and excellent physical condition and body sensitivity and maybe its due to the surgeon cutting and sewing things absolutely perfectly aided by the incisions all joining up and healing perfectly without a stray bug getting in and making some nasty infections and problems - add all the variables and its a gamble we take in order to get rid of the male bits.
If having great sex and multiple orgasms is essential then the dice are loaded agin it and better keep that single shot penis and leave the multiorgasms to the GGs who have machine gun vaginas and partners who can work their triggers right.
well i know a girl that went to chet and she only has 4 inches of depth and started off with 7. soooo i wold not choose him, have u seen his website. the vags have horrible scars. dead giveaway.
and all the suporn vaginas ive seen in person. im sorry but they look awful. this is just my opinion.
he didnt clock he beacuse he was comparing her to a playboy, he told her that he saw the scars and that her vagina was dryer than usual.
i also have another friend that does porn that went to suporn and she gets clocked too when she has sex, the hole of her vagina looks like a volcano. like she just gave birth to a 20 pound baby lol.
and this is not a unusual thing, i have seen it in almost every suporn girl to date.
and i just saw another girl at dr zukowskis office. she showed me her vag, she also went to suporn and when i saw her vagina it really made it clear to me that suporn does really ugly vaginas. the lips were all distorted. you could not even fins the hole. the lips looked like pieces of skin that were just over lapping eachother.
i guess why suporn and chet girls are happy is beacuse they have depth and can orgasm,
but i mean i know girls that have gone to bowers that also have 6 to 7 inches of depth and they orgasm too. so why go all the way to thailand to get the same thing but a prettier looking one. as marcie vags have less visible scars cuz she hides them in the pubic hair area. and a nice size hole. not some volcano. and her patients get real wet were suporns do not. and they orgasm. and have depth.
a girl on here that went to suporn could hardly dialate her vag closed up so i mean , i think suporn is just a lot of hype
as for the big gaping hole and urethra I have to ask how you expect to get a sizable hole where there aint one naturally without some stretching and swelling and how the bladder can be emptied during the recovery without a urethra? The surgeon has to cut the natural urethra pretty close up to the bladder and push and pull the stump around to get it thorugh the vagina lining and thats a shock that will upset it and may make it relectant to work properly for some days or weeks with no guarantee of when it will settle down and maybe the shock to it will make it susceptibel to involuntary leaking during coughs, sneezes, arousals... LOL
as for friend being clocked when she spread her legs - such malespeak - I was just looking at vaginal surgeries and the size and shape of the natural thing is so variable that anyone who can clock a neo must be using Playboy centrefolds as the yardstick - as why else is there a big industry in vaginal trimming and reshaping in USA? The guy who clocked her from her vagina shagged her anyway - which says what about males?
The hole in back is the fistula and it is a big worry and its caused by the scalpel going a trifle too far when the surgeon is trying to make the super deep hole to accept the superstuds. in theory all male bodies are same but if things are a fraction differnet then the scalpel can cut right into the anus and that causes the big problems.
then you say if marcie doesn't give you enough depth you can go for skin graft..crazy!
over here lots of girls go to Chet or Suporn and are very happy with the results.
Hi winter88,
no idea why you reposted lilacwoman's quote with no comment?
If I may comment - it sounds, some of it, a bit incoherent to me. Depressed if you wish.
Not sure if the person behind lilacwoman is post-op, I'm actually sure not so.
I have seen volcano-vj-entry ~ 2 weeks post-op (colon-section) and then 5 month post-op healed into a very normal vj-entry. So...?
I'm still not clear about all those incredible depth claims - in fact I fail to believe them. YMMV
Dr. Suporn and Chettawut have good reputations, and in these ramblings they come off pretty badly in deed. To me it sounds more depressed that real. Just my impression here yet again.
I could go on, but do not feel to give a lot more credit to it all, so best left at that.
My 2 cents,
Axelle
Quote from: annette on November 04, 2011, 07:07:54 PM
Just like Nothern jane, I'm a long post op.
You girls will find out that the tissue will become more flexible in years, so, you don't need all that depth.
It will take a year for the scars inside to heal, using a biodilatator (man) is the most funny part of dilating.
So, don't worry about depth.
biodilator? that's very interesting! lol
I think I read somewhere that in a cis vagina, normal depth is 5-6" I dont know why anyone would want more than that unless of course you're married to Tommy Lee or Ron Jeremy lol
Quote from: annette on November 05, 2011, 09:07:51 AM
From what I have read on this forum, it seems to be a good surgeon with a lot of experience, so, it's not a bad choice.
There are people here who had their srs with dr Bowers and they were very satisfied, but also mcGinn girls, Brassard girls.
So, there is a lot of choice, pick the best one for you and go for it.
Good luck honey
Annette
thank you, i was also wondering if a man penetrates you super hard can he hurt your vag? like say your depth is 5 inches and his penis is 6 inches. can his penis break through your back wall causing you to bleed to death? or is the back wall thick enough to not tear?
I can't speak of other surgeons' techniques but Dr Suporn's involves making a layer of skin adhere to underlying soft tissues, so even if there were a tear it would only bleed a little.
I am sorry but I think you are ignorant, lol, you are going on about a Marci Bowers parade, are you truly informed? Because I live with two girls who both went to Marci, and are both going back in four months to have reconstruction for aesthetic problems, and sensation problems. Neither of them have gotten even closed to having an orgasm, and they both work in the sex field, and have frequent good sex. On top of everything their scars are still visible 14 months later, very visible. So please explain what you are going on about? lol
Quote from: Nancy thompson. on November 05, 2011, 03:20:17 AM
Well theres girls on here plus a friend of mines that rave about orgasms with marci. missyzanta on here says oh my god it feels great and she orgasms tons of times and gets real wet. and why i belive her is beacuse i have a friend of mine that also went to marci and describes it just like that, she gets real wet and is sensitive and says she can pop orgasms back to back. so far all the marcie girls ive talked too report orgasm. ive talked to 3 meltzer girls on here that cannot orgams, ive met 2 brassard girls that cannot orgasm.
so its marcie for me.
yes suporn and chetawut make u super sensate but so does marcie. but belive me a marcie vagina doesent get clocked when a suporn one does.
he leaves you with a big gaping hole and a urethra hanging out of it and obvious scars.
a friend of mine that went to suporn just had sex for the first time since she had srs last year with suporn and the guy she slept with clocked her vagina. she also needs lube she doesent get real mosit were marcie girls get super wettt.
so this myth about suporn being this srs god is something i would take with a huge grain of salt. ! its a lot of hype if you ask me.
the reason you dont find anything bad about suporn online *although i have cuz ive dug deep* is beacuse he has someone constantly surf the web and threaten litigation against them if they dont take it down. he even made ann lawrence site take his results down. the photos on his site are cherry picked. and i know a girl that went to suporn and made a negative video of him and now all those videos are gone. lol.
i think that no matter the medical procedure, there will always be good and bad outcomes
Quote from: elle2011 on November 05, 2011, 07:18:47 PM
I am sorry but I think you are ignorant, lol, you are going on about a Marci Bowers parade, are you truly informed? Because I live with two girls who both went to Marci, and are both going back in four months to have reconstruction for aesthetic problems, and sensation problems. Neither of them have gotten even closed to having an orgasm, and they both work in the sex field, and have frequent good sex. On top of everything their scars are still visible 14 months later, very visible. So please explain what you are going on about? lol
i am pre op. but ive heard good things about her and can direct you to them.
ive seen suporn work up close and it looks baddd. he def makes u orgasmic though. but as far as depth goes. well theres a girl on here that can only fit a pencil in her vag sooo yea. how am i being ignorant? lol. im stating what ive been told.
if what your saying is true. please tell them to email me about their experience. beacuse im still looking for a surgeon
thanks.
Quote from: Nancy thompson. on November 05, 2011, 07:25:28 PM
i am pre op. but ive heard good things about her and can direct you to them.
ive seen suporn work up close and it looks baddd. he def makes u orgasmic though. but as far as depth goes. well theres a girl on here that can only fit a pencil in her vag sooo yea. how am i being ignorant? lol. im stating what ive been told.
if what your saying is true. please tell them to email me about their experience. beacuse im still looking for a surgeon
thanks.
Yes what I am saying is true. And I assure you they are not the only complaints from Bowers, EVERY surgeon has patients who complain, and have issues, and need to get work done again. But you claim Bowers vaginas look so natural, honestly, I don't know what Suporn vaginas you've looked at, but the ones I've looked at being a young female in NYC with many friends who went to Suporn, his vaginas are about the closest you can get to the real thing aesthetically. And yes the recovery is a bit more difficult, but in my opinion its so worth it.
By the way if you claim you dug so hard on Suporn, then you should have found result photos in diaries from many girls, and seen how good his results are.
Quote from: elle2011 on November 05, 2011, 07:29:28 PM
By the way if you claim you dug so hard on Suporn, then you should have found result photos in diaries from many girls, and seen how good his results are.
hey my friend just got read with some guy she had sex with. she went to suporn. he said he noticed her scars and that her vagina was dryer than usual.
my friend crysta went to suporn as well, her vag looks like a volcano you can see it for yourself shes a porn star. let me know if you wanna see her vag on skype she will show it to you.
you can also google danielle foxx sexc change ->-bleeped-<-. her vag is like whoa. just gave birth. i dont know.
another girl i saw at dr zukowskis office spread her legs and showed me her vag it looked awful. just awful. she also went to suporn.
thats 4 girls lol.
another girl on here can only dialate with a pencil and has 2 other girls telling her they have the same problem. all 3 of them went to suporn. im just stating what ive seen,
ive been doing research on srs for 7 years.
what about you?
i take it your goin to suporn? lol
Quote from: elle2011 on November 05, 2011, 07:18:47 PM
I am sorry but I think you are ignorant, lol, you are going on about a Marci Bowers parade, are you truly informed? Because I live with two girls who both went to Marci, and are both going back in four months to have reconstruction for aesthetic problems, and sensation problems. Neither of them have gotten even closed to having an orgasm, and they both work in the sex field, and have frequent good sex. On top of everything their scars are still visible 14 months later, very visible. So please explain what you are going on about? lol
Are you serious? 0.o Good sex with clients, oh my. Sssuuuuree.
LOL
I was interested to read about the depth subject, but after having read this thread the only thing that concerns me is suporn neovaginas being clocked.. I just booked surgery with suporn.. All of a sudden I don't care about depth anymore lol.
Six weeks postop with Suporn here.... very satisfied with my whole hole experience. :) Depth was just over 7" a week postop. I haven't been knocking myself out to keep that, so now it is around 6.4 inches, which is ample. I have experienced no problems yet, although yes, the many stitches do make it a bit painful. I just can't imagine how another surgeon would do it with less, though, either in one stage or spread out over two.... I'm just getting over it all at once.
As for how easy it is for the skin to tear, like during sex etc? Well, try to push your forefinger into the web of skin at the base of your thumb.... skin is EXTREMELY tough. It would be tough to break with a knitting needle, let alone a penis, lol.
Sensitivity, since most of the stitches in that area have fallen out, is amazing.... the feelings i'm getting from down there reallllly make me look forward to another month down the road! And yes, Suporn uses the rest of the glans to create a second sensate orgasmic area (called the chonburi organ I believe; I call it my second clit, but I get flamed on this site for saying that.... if I can orgasm from it, it's a clit. Period.:)
To each their own, but while there, there were 20+ girls postop staying at the hotel with us, almost all looking really happy. The walls of the clinic have heaps of grateful thank you cards pinned up, a hundred or two easy. I'm adding mine as soon as I've written it and mailed it. Lastly, he does offer free lifetime revisions if you need one, for cosmetic or functional reasons.
I'm six days post op with Marci so it's hard to report anything sold for sure except that going to her has been a really wonderful experience and the results already look absolutely gorgeous and very very natural. I haven't measured death technically but it's alright. I can go just past the third to last dot on the soul source dilators. Does anyone know what depths the dots correlate to?
EDIT: Just measured and I'm at six inches. I'm imagining that with careful diligence one could increase depth and width just as one could lose both if dilation isn't persistant.