this one seems like the best fit for me, if ya'll will have me :laugh:
I've enjoyed perusing the older threads; there is an amazing amount of info and insightful posting going on here.
riven
Welcome Riven. I'm glad that you found us. I hope that we can get to know you a bit better and that you'll do the same with the rest of us. We are friends here.
Cindi
Hi Riven,
Welcome to the boards. I'm really new myself, and still finding my way around here. There are many friendly people here, that's for sure.
Cheers,
Jordan
Welcome Riven! We look forward to getting to know you.
Z
Thanks ya'll! :P
I am impressed with your ability to comb through all the old threads and our nonsense to find insightfullness!! (which is apparently not a word...oh well, it is now)
Welcome!!! :laugh:
And was that a "y'all"? I feel so at home...where are you from?
I've found the experience useful, and it's lovely to find peers - proper peers who go 'I know' when you say something instead of 'What?'.
So welcome.
What things spoke to you most?
Hi Riven,
Welcome.
I remember we used to be quite serious for a time as we struggled to understand ourselves. I feel that for the past several months, we've achieved a sense of comfort and have maybe veered away from the big meaningful search for ourselves. Maybe finally finding others and being able to express has taken the edge off.
Feel free to ask questions or to answer ours :)
Rebis
The big shift I have seen is a move from topics about external matters to topics about internal matters. I think that will make people gigglier also as they try to express themselves but not in a heavy way.
We are a tribe of gigglers. :)
Good morning, riven, and welcome to Susan's. Hope you continue to enjoy the posts.
N~
Quote from: Jaimey on March 27, 2008, 08:00:05 PM
I am impressed with your ability to comb through all the old threads and our nonsense to find insightfullness!! (which is apparently not a word...oh well, it is now)
Welcome!!! :laugh:
And was that a "y'all"? I feel so at home...where are you from?
Texas ;D
I put a lot of this into my intro thread but i'll try to summarize it here. I never fit into a "mans" world and never was able (or really wanting to) make friends with many guys. You know, the guys that go hunting, huddle around nfl games quaffing beer, poker night, strip bars, etc. Just not for me.
And many of my interests and hobbies are different from what I know other guys are into. I just never belonged, and as some have said it was rather lonely at times.
I have a very "layed back" personality, very even tempered most of the time.
I've been married for years and my wife and I have a awesome connection. Now that i'm more aware of what is going on inside of me i'm pretty sure a good deal of our connection is my ability to see things her way. Also, i've always been able to communicate with women rather well in normal real world situations (but was never suave in a bar situation).
And i'm feeling some desire to experiment with my feminine side now that I know about it.
Also, discovery of my feminine side explains a lot of the things that happened to me earlier in life; frankly it has been a relief to be granted understanding is this area. For years I had questions, and now I have answers.
So, we'll see where this journey eventually leads. What I have read here has been quite informative and helpful in that effort, and I appreciate those that have shared their wisdom and experiences so that people like me can learn.
Riven
the guys that go hunting, huddle around nfl games quaffing beer, poker night, strip bars, etc
That's kind of a stereotype, minus the NFL bit, and I know more than a few women who are very into pro football - I think its the Title IX deal and going to big sports colleges - most guys don't hunt, or do poker night, or go to strip bars. Not even the ones I know, and they are pretty butch guys.
Quote from: tekla on March 28, 2008, 12:02:05 PM
the guys that go hunting, huddle around nfl games quaffing beer, poker night, strip bars, etc
That's kind of a stereotype, minus the NFL bit, and I know more than a few women who are very into pro football - I think its the Title IX deal and going to big sports colleges - most guys don't hunt, or do poker night, or go to strip bars. Not even the ones I know, and they are pretty butch guys.
Yeah, I thought about that after I typed it in, I meant no offense. I was trying to describe a certain type of male behavior that I see a lot of and don't identify with. Maybe I picked some poor examples.
I know of a lot of guys that hunt, fish, go to strip bars, etc. Maybe it is a texas thing :P
Welcome Riven :)
Like you said, this is one of the most active gender forums on the web. Explore a little, don't be a stranger :) Meghan
Quote from: riven_one on March 28, 2008, 11:23:23 AM
Quote from: Jaimey on March 27, 2008, 08:00:05 PM
I am impressed with your ability to comb through all the old threads and our nonsense to find insightfullness!! (which is apparently not a word...oh well, it is now)
Welcome!!! :laugh:
And was that a "y'all"? I feel so at home...where are you from?
Texas ;D
I put a lot of this into my intro thread but i'll try to summarize it here. I never fit into a "mans" world and never was able (or really wanting to) make friends with many guys. You know, the guys that go hunting, huddle around nfl games quaffing beer, poker night, strip bars, etc. Just not for me.
Well, as someone from Kentucky, I know that stereotype and I'm related to it several times over. :D Actually, since I was the only female bodied kid, I got pushed into those activities with the boys. I was a little more comfortable with the boys, but not doing that stuff. Of course, it was better than playing dress up. I still don't like girly clothes. They're like prison. Ick.
:laugh:
Quote from: Jaimey on March 31, 2008, 08:40:12 PM
Of course, it was better than playing dress up. I still don't like girly clothes. They're like prison. Ick.
:laugh:
I don't like men's clothing... suits, ties, button down shirts, dress shoes... completely useless... and definitely like prison. Luckily I don't have any of that stuff taking up space in my closet.
Some girly clothes are fine w/ me.... but no high heels for me either!
We could trade :laugh:
Mostly, jeans and flannel shirts are what I live in
Z
I'm not far off that either.
I get the feeling lots of androgynes are most comfortable in leisure wear - Pj's, sweats, comfortable shoes (or functional shoes like Pica Pica's), jeans, natural fibres, side burns, smoking jackets and turkish slippers (for keeping our stash of opium).
This could be a new tag line: Androgynes - the people of leisure.
High heels may be the stupidest things ever invented! Why would anyone want to torture themselves by wearing heels?? They HURT!!!!!!!! I really don't understand the women who wear them at my workplace. I can see in some places (okay, not really, but anyway), but the place I work is not a high heel place. It's just not. Although, we do sit all day, so maybe that makes it easier. You won't catch me in heels just anywhere. I have one pair and I might wear them once a year...to a wedding or something.
I am fond of chunky shoes and platforms though. And, I must confess, I just bought a pair of hello kitty skimmers. That's right, kids. I now own Hello Kitty shoes...they're so cute, though. :laugh:
Those shoes sound cool... and I do love PJs...
Though my housemates do not like me wandering around in a long tshirt and (under)pants - which is what I really like.
That's the nice thing about living with girls...nobody cares if you run around in underpants...not that I make a habit of it or anything...eh-hem. Right. :icon_paper:
Quote from: Pica Pica on March 31, 2008, 09:12:49 PM
Those shoes sound cool... and I do love PJs...
Though my housemates do not like me wandering around in a long tshirt and (under)pants - which is what I really like.
I always wanted to wander around in long red underwear like a cowboy with that flap in the back...weird.
well i think the girl in my house is actually a tad more horrified than the boy.
Quote from: NickSister on March 31, 2008, 09:07:03 PM
I get the feeling lots of androgynes are most comfortable in leisure wear - Pj's, sweats, comfortable shoes (or functional shoes like Pica Pica's), jeans, natural fibres, side burns, smoking jackets and turkish slippers (for keeping our stash of opium).
This could be a new tag line: Androgynes - the people of leisure.
I don't even own a tie, button up shirt, or dress shoes (except for my old military stuff sitting in a box in the basement). Needless to say no suit either.
No sideburns here, I cut them off.
cut mine off, still miss them.
Quote from: NickSister on March 31, 2008, 09:07:03 PM
This could be a new tag line: Androgynes - the people of leisure.
But not leisure suits.
Quote from: Jaimey on March 31, 2008, 09:41:07 PM
Quote from: NickSister on March 31, 2008, 09:07:03 PM
This could be a new tag line: Androgynes - the people of leisure.
But not leisure suits.
*shudder*
Never... Even if disco made a triumphant(ACK!) return, or even for Halloween, NO WAY would I wear one.
Sweet! I go away for awhile and the thread goes from an awkward introduction to a clothes discussion :D
Personally I prefer an old pair of well worn jeans and an old sweatshirt or t-shirt for most things. Comfort is king! To heck with style!
also, make the shirt sleeves longer than my arms.
Quote from: Rebis on March 31, 2008, 10:24:15 PM
also, make the shirt sleeves longer than my arms.
Nothing worse than a long sleeve shirt that is too short.
Quote from: sd on March 31, 2008, 10:27:55 PM
Quote from: Rebis on March 31, 2008, 10:24:15 PM
also, make the shirt sleeves longer than my arms.
Nothing worse than a long sleeve shirt that is too short.
In fact, it's damn humiliating.
I was around - ok I survived - the Era of the Leisure Suit, and I think Androgynes are partly to blame, as they often are first to adopt new fashion ideas.
Quote from: tekla on April 02, 2008, 08:29:51 AM
I was around - ok I survived - the Era of the Leisure Suit, and I think Androgynes are partly to blame, as they often are first to adopt new fashion ideas.
I don't believe androgynes had anything whatsoever to do with leisure suits. We have much better taste. ::) Nehru jackets, bell bottoms, tie die... perhaps we can take the blame for those :P
Z
Oh my god, at least leisure suits didn't last, Tie-Dye is the bad backyard "art" project that spawned an industry devoted to making people walk around looking like a rainbow threw-up on them. The "Dude, could you please turn down your shirt" crowd. Or, dressed head to toe in happy tie-dye like some 35 year old in a baby outfit. Oh, god I hate tie-dye. "Oh, really, are those tie-dyed sox? Nice." Thankfully, the Nehru jacket didn't last long either, but tie-dye refuses to go away.
Quote from: tekla on April 02, 2008, 10:01:17 AM
Oh my god, at least leisure suits didn't last, Tie-Dye is the bad backyard "art" project that spawned an industry devoted to making people walk around looking like a rainbow threw-up on them. The "Dude, could you please turn down your shirt" crowd. Or, dressed head to toe in happy tie-dye like some 35 year old in a baby outfit. Oh, god I hate tie-dye. "Oh, really, are those tie-dyed sox? Nice." Thankfully, the Nehru jacket didn't last long either, but tie-dye refuses to go away.
I love tie-dye, though it can be overdone easily. I'm hoping to give my wife a tie-dyed stole as an ordination present. I've already got a couple of folks who're willing to help me with it, too.
I take no credit for adopting any new fashion, I refuse.
Besides if people are taking fashion ideas from me, we are in a world of hurt.
I blame music for most fashion disasters.
I grew up during the 60s, and never ever wore tie dye back then until just a couple of years ago when someone gave me a t-shirt. I've only worn it a few times. I did have an electric blue Nehru jacket when I was a kid though, but it's long gone.
Z
I like Nehru jackets. I've never owned one.
Quote from: Pica Pica on April 02, 2008, 07:29:46 PM
I like Nehru jackets. I've never owned one.
I don't know what happened to mine, or I'd send it to you... someone must have stolen it... along with your trousers :P
Z
gadzooks, soon they will have a whole outfit, :icon_yikes:
Lock your closets everyone!! no clothing is safe! :P
Z
Am I the only moron on here who doesn't know what a Nehru jacket is? I'll look it up. ...Now that I've seen it...was that ever a fashion craze? I kind of like it, though. But only in certain places. ;)
I am ashamed to say that I went through that early teen hippie phase and I owned more tie dye than I'd like to admit. At least I never had a member's only jacket. I did have those things that you pulled one side of your oversized, neon shirt through...remember those? heh. Speaking of which, I just saw the new photo of NKOTB...apparently they are considering a tour...might have to go...:eusa_shifty:
Quote from: riven_one on March 31, 2008, 10:11:53 PM
Sweet! I go away for awhile and the thread goes from an awkward introduction to a clothes discussion :D
Personally I prefer an old pair of well worn jeans and an old sweatshirt or t-shirt for most things. Comfort is king! To heck with style!
Me too! I have the best, worn, slightly ripped jeans EVER. They are fabulous. So soft...those, my well worn chucks, a t-shirt, and light zip up hoodie and I'm all set. If only it were spring/fall all the time...
Quote from: Jaimey on April 02, 2008, 10:05:57 PM
Am I the only moron on here who doesn't know what a Nehru jacket is? I'll look it up. ...Now that I've seen it...was that ever a fashion craze? I kind of like it, though. But only in certain places. ;)
I, too, had to look up "Nehru jacket." Having seen them, I can say I don't want one.
Quote from: Jaimey on April 02, 2008, 10:05:57 PM
At least I never had a member's only jacket.
I had a Member's Only jacket (black) in 7th and 8th grade and I loved it. I actually wouldn't mind one like it again.
I write to further the thread on threads.
I never had a Nehru or a Mao jacket or anything tie dyed. Never did I knowingly dress Mod or Rocker. I just verified that my light blue leisure suit is still in the closet, and I'll wear it when next we all get together. Do I wear a wide tie, a narrow tie, a string tie, or leave the top shirt button open? I forget. My daughter is freaked out if I leave more than the top button open.
There's also a dark brown pseudo-suede jacket and some well-worn polyester slacks from that era in my closet. I haven't worn polyester in years, except when catheterized, polyester training pants were all I could wear. Runners clearly have much longer legs than I.
Jeans, work boots, and T-shirt are my uniform at work. Elsewhere, I prefer something like khakis, slip-ons, and shirts with collars and pockets. Some of that may be a function of my age, but the pockets come in handy because my wife, who pays for everything when we are together, gives all the receipts to me.
Sartorially yours,
S
Posted on: April 03, 2008, 11:19:48 AM
Quote from: Shades O'Grey on April 02, 2008, 12:06:16 PM
I'm hoping to give my wife a tie-dyed stole as an ordination present. I've already got a couple of folks who're willing to help me with it, too.
My wife is also working toward ordination (it's a longer process for us than any other group, I think). I haven't thought of a present. We don't have stoles, but do have prayer shawls. Do you have a date yet? Have you considered your role as clergy spouse?
S
Quote from: Simone Louise on April 03, 2008, 03:50:46 PM
My wife is also working toward ordination (it's a longer process for us than any other group, I think). I haven't thought of a present. We don't have stoles, but do have prayer shawls. Do you have a date yet? Have you considered your role as clergy spouse?
S
She's waiting for a date for the Ecclesiastical Council; that's the final body that approves her for ordination. But, she can start looking for a "call" anytime now.
My role as a clergy spouse will simply be what it is now: nothing. I'm primarily Pagan, and won't be involved in her ministry other than moral support.
That's not to say I'm resistant to her realizing her ministry. And, it's apparently common for UCC churches to meet with both the candidate and the SO during the search/call process. I think I'd have a harder time if I was the wife. Apparently, there are still many churches that have nearly designated roles for preacher's wives. That's usually not the case for preacher's husbands.
Ministry is something I both respect and fear. While I've considered it off and on over the years, I don't think I want the responsibility. It seems that it's just too easy to do far too much damage to somebody, if one isn't careful. Whichever church calls my wife will be calling only her: we are not a package deal.
Quote from: Shades O'Grey on April 03, 2008, 04:44:04 PM
Quote from: Simone Louise on April 03, 2008, 03:50:46 PM
My wife is also working toward ordination (it's a longer process for us than any other group, I think). I haven't thought of a present. We don't have stoles, but do have prayer shawls. Do you have a date yet? Have you considered your role as clergy spouse?
S
She's waiting for a date for the Ecclesiastical Council; that's the final body that approves her for ordination. But, she can start looking for a "call" anytime now.
My role as a clergy spouse will simply be what it is now: nothing. I'm primarily Pagan, and won't be involved in her ministry other than moral support.
That's not to say I'm resistant to her realizing her ministry. And, it's apparently common for UCC churches to meet with both the candidate and the SO during the search/call process. I think I'd have a harder time if I was the wife. Apparently, there are still many churches that have nearly designated roles for preacher's wives. That's usually not the case for preacher's husbands.
Ministry is something I both respect and fear. While I've considered it off and on over the years, I don't think I want the responsibility. It seems that it's just too easy to do far too much damage to somebody, if one isn't careful. Whichever church calls my wife will be calling only her: we are not a package deal.
In our case, we've each dreamed of being a rabbi; when we met that was a matter for competition. Over time we agreed to support first one candidacy and then the other. Now, after 20 years of marriage, we think she's about a year from ordination. It requires about 5 years of full-time graduate education, a thesis, and demonstrations of competence in a number of areas. It is separate from any employment. The spousal role for us is also undefined; I just look for ways I can be supportive without interfering.
S
Quote from: Simone Louise on April 03, 2008, 06:55:07 PM
In our case, we've each dreamed of being a rabbi; when we met that was a matter for competition. Over time we agreed to support first one candidacy and then the other. Now, after 20 years of marriage, we think she's about a year from ordination. It requires about 5 years of full-time graduate education, a thesis, and demonstrations of competence in a number of areas. It is separate from any employment. The spousal role for us is also undefined; I just look for ways I can be supportive without interfering.
S
The UCC requires a Masters of Divinity (MDiv) which can usually be done in a little as 3 years. My wife took 3.5 years as she took some extra courses. There's also 1 year of "field ed" where the seminarian serves as a minster's intern at a local church. This is done during the MDiv program.
Early in her study, I was part of a clergy spouse message board to see what I might expect when she was ordained. That's when I learned that some preacher's wives were just expected to take on certain duties at the church. Our last male senior pastor's wife made it perfectly clear that
he was being called, and not her.
When I was very young, I had considered Catholic priesthood. Later, I'd consider protestant ministry (in the UCC, of course), priesthood in an Ecclectic Wiccan coven (I was asked to leave because I was either too ecclectic or not Wiccan enough), ministry in the Unitarian Universalist church, work as a spiritual director, and even Buddhist ordination. Still, the prospect of being a spiritual guide is a terrifying one to me. But in spite of that terror, I still consider these things from time to time.
Over the last few years, I've sometimes entertained the thought of studying to become a cantor... not sure if the traditional Jewish world is quite ready for a transgender baritone blues cantor though ;) Also, I don't think I've got the discipline for all that studying!
Z
Everybody needs a transgender [fill in the blanks]
It's our duty to enter into the world on an equal capacity as the untransed.
bagsie the trans dickens.