How bad did Bush do this nation as the Cat in the Hat president (and without lube either)??? Bud has been sold to Europe.
Bud, Miller, Coors, so.....
The number one brewer of American beer is now Sam Adams. (Boston Brewing Company)
Followed by Sierra Nevada in third place.
I agree with Tasha. Some good German hops and actually allowing beer to age for more than 3 1/2 minutes can only help the taste. I don't drink much beer; but Bavarian (south German), Dutch and Irish/English brew definitely are much better than anything Anheuser-Busch, Miller or Coors ever did make.
Have a Spaten, Augustiner or a Grolsch. :) Come to think of it, if you want a GOOD Budweiser, have a Czech beer, Budweiser Budwar Pilsner.
Nichole
I have no loyalty to the inferior 'national' brands. The microbrew revolution was a godsend. Arrogant Bastard Ale, anyone? And if I can't get that, Guinness Stout'll do...
Karen
I wish England had stuck to importing foreign beers and also brewing our own as most of the beers I used to drink are now brewed under license in this country and they are nowhere near as good as the imports used to be. I think even the beers we used to import from America are brewed under license here now (anyone through any light on this). I used to drink Bud and I used to love Coors but I think they have gone downhill in flavour from when I was in my late teens/twenties. Most of the best French and German beers I used to like Grolsh, Kronenberg 1664 and Stella are now brewed under license and are not the same at all as when they were imported. Apparently some of what gives a beer or larger its distinction from any other beer or lager is the water used to brew it, as well as the hops etc so I can't see how brewing the same beer in a different country can achieve the same product as the country it originated from.
I only really drink Guinness now and if you buy the draught version of that in cans it is brewed in England not Ireland. The bottled stuff varies depending where you buy it but I have found if you buy the non-draught in cans it still says "Brewed in Dublin" even though the address on the can says "Guinness & Co, London NW10 7HQ. I have also drank hand pulled Guinness both in England and Ireland and the taste seems to be much stronger/different in Ireland even though the hand pull is supposedly imported, the travelling also seems to affect the final product.
I have never heard of Sam Adams incidentally. Is it a good beer?
I wish England had stuck to importing foreign beers and also brewing our own...
well, that would seem to cover it! (okay, I get it, but I thought it was funny the way you put it.)
Most of the best French and German beers...
Best French beers? ???
I only really drink Guinness now
What's wrong with all the English ales?
I have never heard of Sam Adams incidentally. Is it a good beer?
No. It's mediocre. So is Sierra Nevada. But it's certainly drinkable -- a damn sight better than MGD or Bud! When I want watered down American beer, I go for PBR. ;D (But that rarely happens.)
What I meant to say is there are loads of brilliant real ales in this country, Black Sheep, Speckled Hen, Riggwelter to name but a few. All top quality ales with no chemicals which i do drink but not alot as they are very expensive. I haven't drank lager in years because all the English lagers I have tried in the past have been dreadful, whereas the imported lagers both from europe and America were far superior but since these same brands have been brewed under licence in this country have gone downhill dramtically. Although having said this I haven't checked this out much in the past year so the trend may have passed now. My local Tesco stocks many beers from around the world but if you look at the small print many of them are brewed in England or Scotland under licence.
Kronenbourg 1664 is an excellent French beer that has been wrecked by being brewed under licence in this country. Again, this may have changed in the last year. I'll have to have another look next time I'm at the supermarket.
I don't tend to drink lager much anyway except for in the Summer months (not many with the weather we have) but I do miss the strong flavoured, decent bodied continental lagers you used to be able to buy in this country. Basically all types of lager taste the same now.
Taste aside, I thought the real news here is another huge American business has now been sold overseas.
Quote from: tekla on July 15, 2008, 10:43:56 AM
Taste aside, I thought the real news here is another huge American business has now been sold overseas.
True. I also wanted to mention that beer is REALLY gross. :P
Guinness First, MGD second, Corona w/ Lime third, Flat Tire Fourth, Heify w/lemon fifth. Anything that they to to Bud is an improvement.
I don't drink much any more, but those were the ones I liked.
Janet
Lets see, Stella bought Bud, Miller bought by South Africa, Coors by Molson in Canada and then folded into SABMiller, see a pattern?
The furriners are purchasing beer giants from previous American owners? Well, Ford is still mostly American, right? Can you think of any other major firms except maybe RJRNabisco, PhillipMorris that are? Besides software, computers and financial services corps? O yes, sports franchises, in fact, in that respect Americans are buying other countries giant sports clubs.
Hmm, sports, cigarettes, cookies and computers. The beer would go well with the sports, I suppose, if it were only worth drinking the stuff! I suppose the cigarettes would as well?. :laugh:
Nichole
Ford sold its Jaguar and Land Rover stuff just a few weeks ago. GM has been selling off its transmission, GMAC, and other holdings, and is going to kick yet another division Pontiac or Buick off the list soon. Ford sales were off 27.5% in June alone.
I just wonder when we get the Cat in the Hat out of the White House is there going to be anything left to rebuild?
Didn't Jaguar and Land Rover used to be British once? Mini was bought out by BMW I think. Rover went too and Rolls Royce cars but I don't think they sold the Rolls Royce aircraft engine rights (can anyone clarify this?). I'm not sure there are any British car manufacturers left anymore. Aston Martin are still British I think. Can't think of any others :-\
I'll look into how much manufacturing is happening in England, but I don't think its a lot.
Funny Video on Bush, much better than any MSM stuff
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/alerts/421
It seems to me that this process is what imperial powers do as they quit dancing with who brung 'em to the dance. The owners and shareholders sell to wealthy foreign interests. The imperials' interests become info technology of whatever sort and financial services and having a wealthy class that basically invests their current wealth to make more for themselves.
I think you can see it with Britain, France, Holland, Spain, China, even the Holy Roman Empire and certainly with Rome and the Seleucid and Ptolomaic dynasties of the break-up of Alexander's Empire. It seems a pretty much natural progression of an imperial power.
Cake anyone, or perhaps some nice harp music while Rome burns? ;)
Nichole
I'm not advocating the over use of Guinness but I have been drinking (far too much according to my endo and doc) it for the last 10 years more than any other booze. My liver tests are still showing to be fine and my cholesterol levels are (according to my endo) the lowest he has ever seen. 1.9mmol/l constant reading for the last year). High in iron too apparently.
See the following link on BBC news page (hope this link works).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3266819.stm
Quote from: tekla on July 15, 2008, 11:16:22 AM
Lets see, Stella bought Bud, Miller bought by South Africa, Coors by Molson in Canada and then folded into SABMiller, see a pattern?
Muahahahaha! We may not rule the world in any other way, shape or form, but your beer-ish distinctiveness will be added to ours. You cannot resist! ;D
~Simone.
Quote from: Nichole on July 15, 2008, 12:06:49 PM
Cake anyone, or perhaps some nice harp music while Rome burns? ;)
Z will be happy to proved fiddle music :laugh:
Quote from: Tasha Elizabeth on July 15, 2008, 12:10:57 PM
has anyone noticed that the beer of choice for many of us appears to be guiness?
::runs to typewriter, cranks out treatise on the correlation between guiness and transgenderedness, wins pulitzer prize::
Congrats on winning the Nobel prize Tasha! Drinking Guiness while playing Irish fiddle tunes is perfect for this transperson ;D ;D ;D
PS, Zythyra is well aware that the fiddle as we know it today wasn't the actual instrument that Nero was "fiddling". More likely Nero played the Lyre. ;)
Z
Quote from: Tasha Elizabeth on July 15, 2008, 01:58:44 PM
you dont even like beer!
go have some flavored vodka, ya pansy!
That does not, in any way, lessen the fact that, when it comes to beer, SAB still rules the world. Oh, and we are rugby world champions. I don't like rugby either, but I thought I'd just add that, for good measure.
~Simone.
Feeling all patriotic 'n stuff tonight!
Quote from: lady amarant on July 16, 2008, 02:59:07 PM
~Simone.
Feeling all patriotic 'n stuff tonight!
So, how's the push coming to remove that fellow, Mugabe, from the house next-door? ;)
N~
Quote from: Nichole on July 16, 2008, 03:07:10 PM
Quote from: lady amarant on July 16, 2008, 02:59:07 PM
~Simone.
Feeling all patriotic 'n stuff tonight!
So, how's the push coming to remove that fellow, Mugabe, from the house next-door? ;)
N~
Yeah 'kay, so our government has not exactly been a shining example of reason and fairness of late. Or ever, really. Grrrrrrrr.
~Simone.
Feeling not-so-patriotic-anymore right now.
Posted on: 16 July 2008, 15:09:18
Quote from: lady amarant on July 16, 2008, 03:09:18 PM
~Simone.
Feeling not-so-patriotic-anymore right now.
Oh... :( Wanna go get a beer, luv?
Nichole
Is it just me, or do all governments, rulers and would-be-boss-MEN (cause it usually is a bloody MAN) suck?
~Simone.
Back to her usual, anarchistically socialist self.
PS. Thanks Nichole. I'll have a Lime and Soda though. Beer sucks. ;)
I agree. Do they make mango-margaritas in ZA? Or lacking that I can go with lime & soda as well.
Nichole
Might I remind you that Margaret Thatcher, Golida Mier and Indira Ghandi had some pretty bloody events happen on their respective watches also.
Quote from: tekla on July 16, 2008, 03:22:43 PM
Might I remind you that Margaret Thatcher, Golida Mier and Indira Ghandi had some pretty bloody events happen on their respective watches also.
Consider us reminded. And consider yourself also considering what a woman needs to prove as well to be "one of the guys."
Quote from: lady amarant on July 16, 2008, 03:14:14 PM
Is it just me, or do all governments, rulers and would-be-boss-MEN (cause it usually is a bloody MAN) suck?
~Simone.
Back to her usual, anarchistically socialist self.
Not that they admit, as a general rule! :laugh:
Nichole
Perhaps they were not trying to be one of the guys, perhaps they were just as bloodthirsty and cold hearted as the men? It may well be that both sexes, being human is a condition they both have, and that those are human traits. Its just that they have historically prevented from showing it, and when the restraints come off, the behavior comes out. Violent crime as a whole has gone down in the US since the early 1990s, but woman on women violence, particularly in juvie courts, is off the charts in the same period. Are women today more violent then in the past, or do they just have more opportunities to express themselves in a violent manner?
PhD level research question to be sure.
Not that anyone would ever let me, but .... if I repeated the Stanford Prison Experiment with only women, does the outcome change?
Do ya really think any prison experiment is going to change given correctional facilities?
Another PhD? Why not just write a book and use the PhD you already have? ???
N~
BTW, I am not in complete disagreement. I think sometimes the guys get stampeded into blood-thirsty acts by the sense that they may be seen as "having no balls" too. And I am not of the opinion that all women are less violent than men. Just us good ones!!! :laugh: >:D
Nichole
Quote from: tekla on July 16, 2008, 03:22:43 PM
Might I remind you that Margaret Thatcher, Golida Mier and Indira Ghandi had some pretty bloody events happen on their respective watches also.
I'm not so sure Thatcher was female. Or even human, for that matter. I still believe her and Reagan were aliens planted to lead us into conspicuous consumerism and TV-culture so we'd not notice as their master-race took over the earth.
Mier and Ghandi, well, okay, you have a point. There's a reason I'm an anarchist ya know! ;D
As to mango-margheritas, I'm sure they do. I mean, we DO have mangoes here ... :P
~Simone.
Well the Stanford Prison Experiment says that you can't reform prisons, because they are inherently brutal. Remember they had to stop the thing at day six (of a proposed two weeks) because things got out of hand so quickly.
Or take the Milgram experiment at Yale that found the same basic deal.
The people in both those studies were male, I'm just wondering if we did them again with all females would we get close to the same results.
Philip Zimbardo who designed and ran the SPE referred to as "The Lucifer Effect."
Milgram and SPE are both classic studies, and a lot of stuff is written about them on the web. Interesting to say the least. And remember when you read these that we are not talking about taking good old boys or rednecks or jocks, they are using Stanford and Yale students who do not come from violent backgrounds nor do they seem to exhibit a high degree of violent behavior in other settings, just the exact opposite.
I knew about the Milgram experiment, but the Stanford one was interesting to read about. Not to mention scary.
Human nature is animal nature, and animal nature is to react to its environment and to circumstance. I like to think that being human is a choice we make, to rise above that animal nature. It's a choice one constantly has to remake as well, because it is all too easy to slip back into a reactive state. Because most people accept their humanity as a given, they never make that choice.
That's my take on the woes of humankind anyway. Nice and overly-simplistic, most probably. ;D
~Simone.
Okay, this was a non-serious thread. What is it with me that I always manage to turn a thread serious?!?! :(
I tried in the beginning to make it serious, its about selling off American companies to the highest bidder, which I think is not a good policy. But because it was a beer company, somehow it drifted into sudsy liquid real fast, though I'm not sure how.
Quote from: tekla on July 16, 2008, 05:12:34 PM
I tried in the beginning to make it serious, its about selling off American companies to the highest bidder, which I think is not a good policy. But because it was a beer company, somehow it drifted into sudsy liquid real fast, though I'm not sure how.
Hmmmm. I almost think that was me too! Hehehe. trust me to destroy the integrity of any thread I get my grubby little hands on. ;D
Sorry Tekla. :embarrassed:
~Simone.
Too bad they all suck except like 3 Sam Adams flavors. Guinness ftw!
Quote from: tekla on July 14, 2008, 06:47:27 PM
How bad did Bush do this nation as the Cat in the Hat president (and without lube either)??? Bud has been sold to Europe.
Bud, Miller, Coors, so.....
The number one brewer of American beer is now Sam Adams. (Boston Brewing Company)
Followed by Sierra Nevada in third place.