So here's a thread like this one: https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,32464.0.html -- for the boys. I'll start:
Boy Parts I May Have:
Wiry muscle in my arms and legs. I look great in shirts with the sleeves cut off.
I have boyish-looking feet, of which I am rather proud.
When I stand straight, my shoulders look rather broad for my build.
I'm rather hairy (comes from my Italian mom's side).
My hands are kind of small, but I think they're rather boyish, too--I do my best to encourage this (keep my nails short, etc).
I have a great stride: I 'lope', which makes me look male at a walk--I look just like my brother.
That's all I can think of. Anyone else?
I shall give this a go.
Broad shoulders
Vast quantities of body hair
Small adams apple
Muscular biceps
Man-strut/swagger
Whiskers
The Infamous Ring Fingers Longer Than Index Finger Thing
I'm pretty sure your ring finger is supposed to be longer than the index though.
Anyway, I'll try...
'Golfer's' back.
Unusually stubbly peach fuzz on upper lip.
Male jawline.
The man-strut.
Manly calves.
gigantic feet for a female bodied person of my size. 5'7" 10.5 in mens shoes about a 12 or something in womens, but idk for sure since i could never find any!
unusually large hands for a "girl" period... regardless of height. close to my male friends size.
i have a happy trail. :D
sideburns
manly eyebrows. theyre kinda wild. i dont tame them because i think it helps me pass. :P
I have a bit of a beer gut. :P
hands, nose :laugh:, muscles (thats b/c of t though :laugh:), hips, legs, shoulders, face. yep & its gettin better :laugh: :icon_dance:
Quote from: Chris on July 24, 2008, 02:39:09 AM
hands, nose :laugh:, muscles (thats b/c of t though :laugh:), hips, legs, shoulders, face. yep & its gettin better :laugh: :icon_dance:
lucky! haha T will probably double everyones boy parts that they have.
hairline
no butt
no hips
no waist
big feet
not much :(
Way too many to list...
But I'm trying not to get depressed about it....... ;D
Chrissty
waist
happy trail :)
hairline
underarm hair/"bikini" area hair
the few scars that I have, including the one on my face (girls don't like scars, do they? I love mine)
my small gut :P
Complete aversion to asking for directions, a pathological desire to control the TV remote, and reflex reaction of instant deafness after the words "we need to talk".
;)
Denns
Body hair, I have a nice treasure trail. lol
Facial hair
Hands, ring finger longer than index
Feet, not huge but hairy
Some features of my face look manly to me, but it could be wishful thinking.
Other than that not so much. I have the classic feminine figure, with big moobs (man boobs) and butt. :D
My ring fingers are substantially longer than my indexes. What's the significance of that?
Hmm, apparently there is a difference! My ring finger is longer for sure, apparently it has to do with testosterone levels? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digit_ratio
Oh and to add, I don't really have 'hips.'
Quote from: Monty on July 24, 2008, 03:27:00 PM
Hmm, apparently there is a difference! My ring finger is longer for sure, apparently it has to do with testosterone levels? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digit_ratio
Dude I didn't even know. Hell, I have that too then. I thought that was normal. My hands are small but my index is nearly 1 finger head shorter than my ring finger. (Finger head = where those lines separate your tip from the upper portion of your finger... Apparently I make up words).
Quote from: trapthavok on July 24, 2008, 03:56:17 PM
Dude I didn't even know. Hell, I have that too then. I thought that was normal. My hands are small but my index is nearly 1 finger head shorter than my ring finger. (Finger head = where those lines separate your tip from the upper portion of your finger... Apparently I make up words).
Mine are about half to three fourths a "finger head" shorter than the ring fingers. ("Finger head"--lol.)
Studies have shown that relative finger lengths correlate to pre-natal exposure to testosterone.
Dennis
Lol. They spoke about this tonight on The Making Of Me with John Barrowman. :D
As for the parts I have.
I'm really not sure.
The same would go for the girl parts.
:D
I think I read about that finger thing somewhere awhile ago.
Here's my list:
Index finger shorter than ring finger
Broad shoulders
Big feet (size 10-10 1/2 mens)
Big hands
Androgynous face
Dark hair (not sure if that's important, but I've noticed that guy's [at least at my school] tend to have darker hair)
Strong arms
Strong calfs
Tall for my age (5'6")
Androgynous voice
Tiny bit of an adam's apple
Girly stuff:
Big butt
Big thighs
Too many freckles
Fast-growing nails
Hair that loves to flick out at the ends
I guess I'm better off than I thought. :)
Well im not really sure I have been on T for a few months...
* I have mans legs, feet im a size uk 8/9
* I have the dark hair and its almost everywhere.. even before T.
* I have dark thick eyebrows...
* I enjoy most "male" things..
*Im obsessed by cars and trying to fix things and leaving it..
Thats all I could think of..
Hmmm.
Well, hands and feet on males and females are exactly the same proportionately. If you were to cut off your hand or food and give it to a coroner, they would not be able to tell the difference. "Is this a 13 year old boy or an 18 year old girl?" This assuming that the nails/hair patterns were not a giveaway. Anyway, despite that fact, I think I have fairly masculine looking hands. I've been working on construction, driving nails into walls, so my arms are showing some improvement in strength and I think they will start to show soon as well. Besides that, I don't really have much going for me. My face is androgynous enough that I can pass... and I have like, no hips. But I'm also with Dennis. I have a lot of the stereotypical male behaviors, and always have. I just thought it was because I hung around boys and inherited it.
Digit ratio is not a end all, be all. My dad's fingers are like mine, the ring shorter than the index. And he's got plenty of testosterone.
Quote from: Jay on July 25, 2008, 07:32:34 AM*Im obsessed by cars and trying to fix things and leaving it..
I'm confused... fixing and leaving? My dad and I worked on the Honda in our garage for like 4 hours because I dropped a washer into the motor mount. We don't leave a job unfinished.
The finger part was about testosterone distributed in the womb, not through puberty. So I doubt they're saying anyone has less testosterone or more than someone else.
Yeah. But a lot of people say that being transmale is caused by having more testosterone in the womb. I don't like that idea, because a lot of transguys don't have the finger thing.
I don't have it. Normal female finger lengths here.
I have feet that look weirdly similar to my dad's, and nice broad shoulders. Everything else = FAIL.
Quote from: Nero on July 25, 2008, 06:34:55 PMI don't have it. Normal female finger lengths here.
Me neither. A long with a lot of other guys. :P
Quote from: Elwood on July 25, 2008, 06:03:10 PM
Yeah. But a lot of people say that being transmale is caused by having more testosterone in the womb. I don't like that idea, because a lot of transguys don't have the finger thing.
But, like you said, there are bio men don't have it and its obvious that some bio women do. However, its undeniably more likely for a male to have it.
I don't think its enough either, but it seems to be a characteristic regardless. All the other features vary as well, but its the majority that puts them into that category.
-sigh- I simply dislike transmen one-upping each other. "I have a longer finger, I got more testosterone." It's just kind of irritating to me because I'm pessimistic and paranoid. I feel like everyone's trying to be more of a man than me... :P I know that's not true, though. I don't think everyone cares that much.
Holy crap where do I start? Anyone want to trade?
Quote from: Monty on July 25, 2008, 07:25:58 PM
Quote from: Elwood on July 25, 2008, 06:03:10 PM
Yeah. But a lot of people say that being transmale is caused by having more testosterone in the womb. I don't like that idea, because a lot of transguys don't have the finger thing.
But, like you said, there are bio men don't have it and its obvious that some bio women do. However, its undeniably more likely for a male to have it.
I don't think its enough either, but it seems to be a characteristic regardless. All the other features vary as well, but its the majority that puts them into that category.
Then why do we not rename this thread "Stereotypical Boy Parts You May Have" ::) ?
Quote from: noxdraconis on July 25, 2008, 10:03:44 PMThen why do we not rename this thread "Stereotypical Boy Parts You May Have" ::) ?
Because thats just silly and doesn't quite get at the point I was trying to make.
Some guys actually have hips, but the majority don't really. Thats the sort of situation I'm trying to say... such traits don't make you less of a man. We're all unique, that goes for both genders.
Besides, everything thats been stated here has been pretty much stereotypical... because look at how many people here with biological female bodies have male physical traits and so on? Clearly no one here can carry a trait that solely belongs to someone who is born male unless they were actually born, physically, male. :)
Quote from: Monty on July 26, 2008, 02:56:40 AM
Quote from: noxdraconis on July 25, 2008, 10:03:44 PMThen why do we not rename this thread "Stereotypical Boy Parts You May Have" ::) ?
Because thats just silly and doesn't quite get at the point I was trying to make.
Some guys actually have hips, but the majority don't really. Thats the sort of situation I'm trying to say... such traits don't make you less of a man. We're all unique, that goes for both genders.
Besides, everything thats been stated here has been pretty much stereotypical... because look at how many people here with biological female bodies have male physical traits and so on? Clearly no one here can carry a trait that solely belongs to someone who is born male unless they were actually born, physically, male. :)
Oh, I wish ;). As for this being all stereotypical already, I know; I am just trying to keep the infighting to a minimum here.
Oh, yes... I've seen a man with a fair pair of... hm, not sure if they were hips or something else. But I liked his shape. ;D
So I took my shirt off yesterday, and realized that if I barely cover my chest that I can pass as male really well. HELLO PHOTOSHOP! Lol, just kidding. But seriously, I was amazed. After top surgery I think I'll be very happy. But surgery is like 3 or 4 years away... Honestly, if I had no boobs, I'd pass like 10x better than I do now (currently I'm only an A cup, but it makes a huge difference).
Lol, I'm one of the last people here who would try to start something. I've been in too many verbal and 'text' fights elsewhere to want to start one here. Especially not here, I don't see the benefit of arguing other than friendly debate.
Elwood: And just imagine what T would do on top of that. Even for those who have a very feminine figure or react to it slowly, they'll eventually get there over time.
I tend to be the person who starts the text fights, here. I'm on meds now, so maybe I'll calm down.
I KNOW! I think T will work magic for me.
If your thinking that T will reduce the urge to fight, I kind of doubt it.
Quote from: tekla on July 26, 2008, 01:29:38 PMIf your thinking that T will reduce the urge to fight, I kind of doubt it.
Whoever said that would happen? I was talking purely about the physical side effects.
Also, doubt what you will. I know a transman who really calmed down after he started T.
In reality its often, without great clinical efforts, to tell the difference between what is a physical effect, and what is a psychological effect - almost impossible to tell the difference between the two. So that if your mind really wants something, even if it might promote more aggression it just might be that getting it might well promote, on a mental level, a more calm behavioral pattern.
No doubt, giving people what they think they want will calm them down on at least a temporary basis.
However, if I started lacing the food at San Quentin with T, I bet I'd get a riot in short order.
We know that all humans have these chems in them in differing levels, who's to say that Liz I didn't have more T than say Victoria? It might account for the more agro nature of her rule, then again, that might just have been the times, or the way she was raised.
These are powerful chemicals, and the impact of them is well documented, and T causes aggression in mammals in almost every case.
Feet size 9 mens.. (not big big but bigger than average women)
Thicker body structure
Bit broader shoulders, and upwer arms are least thicker (can't wear most women designed shirts comfortably as is snug around the arms)
Fairly Hairy (except on face)
Neck hair
Tend to scratch in inappropriate places lol
Poor organizational, cleaning, and cooking skills (yeh I know there are guys who are good at these things)
Interested in more male things (blades, fire, dragons, etc. Though do have a thing for leather and fur)
Single-minded a lot
Hate bright colors
Female things:
Big ass and broad hips
Large DD breasts (used to be larger but had reduced because of problems with back, wish could gotten it all off though!)
Moody/Emotional/Cry
Eyebrows and eyelashes
Thin fingers
Like Fur (and other fuzzy stuff lol)
What a bold departure into tired old stereotypes that was.
Tend to scratch in inappropriate places
Cultural, not a sexual trait
Poor organizational, cleaning, and cooking skills
Right, and that's why most of the most fundamental organizational stuff, like governments, military forces and the bureaucratic structures are like, well, all male. As are most of the chiefs, and most of the guys I know keep their own house better than the woman I know do.
I just don't buy the male/female deal, I know far too many exceptions. I know far too many bio guys that given a 7.5 inch circular saw need not wood, but an appointment for the emergency ward. I know many girls who handle it quite well.
Quote from: tekla on July 26, 2008, 05:13:27 PM
What a bold departure into tired old stereotypes that was.
Tend to scratch in inappropriate places
Cultural, not a sexual trait
Poor organizational, cleaning, and cooking skills
Right, and that's why most of the most fundamental organizational stuff, like governments, military forces and the bureaucratic structures are like, well, all male. As are most of the chiefs, and most of the guys I know keep their own house better than the woman I know do.
I just don't buy the male/female deal, I know far too many exceptions. I know far too many bio guys that given a 7.5 inch circular saw need not wood, but an appointment for the emergency ward. I know many girls who handle it quite well.
As said not everything put in there is typical male lol... as for culturally. I'm from a small country town originally it makes it difficult to sort things out when you have been influenced by old southern country standards. Another reason I still confused on things...
Quote from: tekla on July 26, 2008, 02:22:52 PMIn reality its often, without great clinical efforts, to tell the difference between what is a physical effect, and what is a psychological effect - almost impossible to tell the difference between the two. So that if your mind really wants something, even if it might promote more aggression it just might be that getting it might well promote, on a mental level, a more calm behavioral pattern.
In this case it was definitely a chemical effect. Because at first the T made him very aggressive because it was 4x too high.
If T is balanced properly it does not necessarily inherently cause more aggression.
What the hell's your point anyway? I never said it was going to help with my mood issues. That's why I'm on meds.
Unfortunantly I do have low self confidence... and tend to beat myself up over every little thing, including getting the cultural steryotypes family influenced me with and real thing confused... Makes me worry you guys won't take me seriously that I do feel as if should been a guy physically. My brain seems to run between androgionous and male as far as can tell. But I am only starting to understand where everything I've felt and experienced lays.
I had never heard of the term transgender or trans-sexual till I moved to the city 3 years ago and didn;t really learn what really meant till this last year. Though I remember often talking about friends about how I felt I didn't fit as a girl, but not completely as a guy either and that I miss the times that I was taken as a boy before puberty.
I'm trying to understand myself better, and to be myself more. And living away from family I have also been doing my best to put asside the things family have told me, and learn the truth.
What? People don't take you seriously? I didn't get that message at all.
You can be completely feminine and be male. Look at a lot of gay men. Cross dressers who aren't trans. Femininity and masculinity have nothing to do with gender. They often have to do with passing, but what's more important is being yourself. Don't try to be the stereotypical male because you feel pressure to. I'm going to stay quite feminine, thank you. I am actually pretty moderately sandwiched between masculine and feminine; I share both masculine and feminine qualities. I see no shame in it. I want to be a dancer. A male dancer. Do you think that hurts my manhood? I don't think so.
If you don't fit in as a girl or a guy, consider that you might not be a guy. You might possibly be someone else. Keep an open mind; it's important. You're doing the right thing. Keep trying to understand yourself and be yourself. You're moving in a very positive direction, Aiden.
LOL I don;t fit as a guy because I'm to emotional, look like a woman and I'm more gentleman than most guys my age. i don;t talk about sex, or ball games (prefere more geek oriented games lol), and I try to be more mature.
Meh. I'm a gentleman to the max. My nickname's "The Dapper" because I like to always look sharp. I'm polite, helpful, and witty. Almost liek a butler, except I don't get paid and I like to wear plaid pants on occasion.
I don't talk about sex because I ain't got a penis to do it with. I like ball games but not professionally... the teams really are stupid. I guess I'm more into theater, dancing, singing... the more masculine side of me really likes construction, landscaping, and moving big things like rocks and scrap materials.
I think most people try to be more mature, but how many of them really are mature? Some parts of me are very mature, where other parts of me are very immature. I lack proper balance. That's what I'm working on right now. Balancing out.
I'm not so to max. Least I don't look one. Don;t look like a geek either though by personal hobby am considered one. Mostly dress in dark Galic or slightly Gothic looking clothing. Have a thing for dragons and Klingons so yeh going have a bit of that kind of look going on. T'shirt and shorts in summer, T'shirt, pants and whatever need to bundle up in winter... though occasionally wear a kilt as well... little pride in the Irish/scott heritage and don't care if people think am weird for wearing it lol
But I have my nasty habbit, and tendency to say wrong things or be to blunt(my social graces need worked on) but I try to be gentlemenly. Help out a lady or even guy with carrying things, hold a door open for someone, say my thank you's and may I's and pleases.
I recently adopted shorts. I'd never wear them because I was afraid my legs were feminine and would give me away. But really, my legs are just small. They aren't particularly masculine or feminine...
I always thought my legs were a bit masculine, not sure now though. Got them wide hips and it kind of effects the shape some at least the the top
I wear shorts because 1) my legs are pretty damn sexy and 2) they're hairy, too, so I doubt they'll "give me away". (Not that I pass anyway, but eh.)
Hmm...
Boy Parts
Teh hairy
- Treasure Trail
- Dark arm hair
- Some noticeable hair on knuckles and side of hands
- Some lower back hair
- Hair around teh nips.
Dark thick eyebrows
Kind of masculine jawline
Somewhat broad shoulders
5'8" so am in range of average Male height
LOVE wearing guys clothes
Enjoy smut XD
Loved Lego as a kid (still do)
Huge Cartoon and Anime fan
(but I'm an Animator so it might be more to do with that...)
Girl Parts
I has T&A -_-
Full lips
Don't smell XD
Very excellent multi-tasker
(but I think that has more to do with training than genetics)
I am VERY motherly towards my younger siblings
I would like to wear make-up... but only if I passed as a guy XD
Love romances (movies, fiction etc)
What's a Treasure Trail? forgive me if ignorant just never heard of term till on here
[I'm confused... fixing and leaving? My dad and I worked on the Honda in our garage for like 4 hours because I dropped a washer into the motor mount. We don't leave a job unfinished.]
As in I have no patience what so ever.
Quote from: Aiden on July 28, 2008, 02:05:26 AM
What's a Treasure Trail? forgive me if ignorant just never heard of term till on here
Sometimes referred to as 'Snail-Trail'... the line of hair that runs up from pubes to the belly button :) I prefer the term 'treasure-trail' cause it doesn't sound gross XD
Ahhh... ok lol. something that seems be lacking even in the genetic males of my family