in order not to hijack a thread
i have scurried here to ask for
more information regarding a
post i read..... an admonition to
a younger member NOT to bind
developing breasts!
anybody here have information about that?
my lad has been wearing a binder for better
than half a year and only turned 15 last month!
if you knew me, and i told you i was trying not to freak,
you would start an office pool wondering how long THAT will last.....
with a fluttering heart!
hizmom
I think any evidence about that is anecdotal at best. I wouldn't worry about it or suggest he stop doing it if he's more comfortable binding. Probably the worst that he might get is floppier manboobs than he would otherwise have had. I haven't heard of any actual health risks, provided that it's not crushing his ribs or making it hard to breathe.
Dennis
Not sure what's wrong with floppier manboobs or why people worry about something their going to remove anyways lol. But as for floppy I've seen genetic men with them, though yeh could be problem if get large.
Hizmom...if you're referring to the post I think you are, it was directed at an MtF whose mother wants her to hide the breasts that HRT is causing her to develop, not an FtM. Your son might end up with some tissue damage from binding, but as long as he binds safely (i.e. Follows the rule "if it starts to hurt, stop or find a new method"), you shouldn't have to worry. The admonition to not bind was, in this case, given to someone who intends to keep her breasts, and therefore would want to keep them in good shape.
I started binding when I was 15, and now im eighteen and no damage(so far)
I'm with Dennis here. I didn't "officially" bind when I was that young, but I wore multiple sports bras that were far too small because I hated the bounce, hated that they got in the way, etc. I had no tissue damage from doing this from about age 14-19. Make sure he's doing it correctly (i.e. with a binder that fits how it should, a frog bra, etc..) and I'm sure most things will be fine. Make sure he does not sleep in his binder, however- this is a big no-no.
For me, personally, I don't find binding any more boob-crushing than a snug sports bra. The only difference is it's a shirt that also keeps my gut in check. ;D If he follows the don't do it too tight rule he'll be okay.
Jay
yeah i think i freaked by not reading carefully!!
god, there is so much to know, so much to learn
i appreciate all your insights and reassurances
knees weak with relief
heart embracing you AWESOME peeps!!!!!
hiz(crazy)mom
You're his mom! It's your job to freak. ;D
My opinion is disliked by most transguys.
Binding is unhealthy. I don't like the idea.
However, if a guy has big boobs/is going to, it doesn't matter in the long run. His surgery won't be affected.
It's people with small chests like me who need to worry about that.
Quote from: Mister on August 29, 2008, 04:56:59 PM
I'm with Dennis here. I didn't "officially" bind when I was that young, but I wore multiple sports bras that were far too small because I hated the bounce, hated that they got in the way, etc. I had no tissue damage from doing this from about age 14-19. Make sure he's doing it correctly (i.e. with a binder that fits how it should, a frog bra, etc..) and I'm sure most things will be fine. Make sure he does not sleep in his binder, however- this is a big no-no.
Really, Why?
It can lead to bronchitis, pneumonia or even sleep apnea.
Aww man....Im screwed...so very screwed
you could always just, er, STOP :)
Why? You don;t have to keep wearing it to bed
I cant help it... Now I need to get that surgery as soon as possible
wearing a tight sports bra or something is cool. the problem is the full-torso compression of most binders.
How can you not help it. just take it off before you go to bed.
.. Yeah, they don't bother me while I'm sleeping. I'd think binding at night would be pretty uncomfortable and hard to get to sleep at all.
Bras are abonminal in my eyes, and Aiden, I feel like youre mockin me :)kind of funny,, but my pyhce is so far up my ass that I just can, but refuse, only when I take a shower( hmm... that made no sense)
And its not uncomfatable(why why the spellin)
Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 29, 2008, 11:49:56 PM
Bras are abonminal in my eyes, and Aiden, I feel like youre mockin me :)kind of funny,, but my pyhce is so far up my ass that I just can, but refuse, only when I take a shower( hmm... that made no sense)
And its not uncomfatable(why why the spellin)
Not mocking you. I just don't really understand I guess
Its cool, I find it kind of funny. Just listening to the conversation. Like common sense,which I have none(since geniuses have none) Man, I must sound like an ass too
i will tell you that the first time he talked about binding
i was not so much dead set against it as i was concerned
about ... wait for .... lymphatic drainage....
the constricting nature of a binder inhibits what
i KNOW to be a vital mechanism so i am a real
hard-@ss when it comes to how long i will let
him wear the garment.....
i had not really given a lot of thought
to the possibility of other implications
Personally I have larger breasts and only bind when going out of the house.. all it has done is made my boobs sagg and my back ache if I wear it long enough.. other than that.. thats it.
I have only slept in it once. Purley because I was way to drunk to move so had to... woke up with a bad back.. I would never recommened sleeping in it or getting a binder thats to tight either.
I agree with Jay/Dennis here because it is bascially like a sports bra but on the smaller side he he >:D
Quote from: Jay on August 30, 2008, 09:48:22 AM
Personally I have larger breasts and only bind when going out of the house.. all it has done is made my boobs sagg and my back ache if I wear it long enough.. other than that.. thats it.
I have only slept in it once. Purley because I was way to drunk to move so had to... woke up with a bad back.. I would never recommened sleeping in it or getting a binder thats to tight either.
I agree with Jay/Dennis here because it is bascially like a sports bra but on the smaller side he he >:D
Yep same here. though wondering if my newest binder might been to small when got it. If it was it's not so much now LOL and it binds real well. And the back problems worse... always had backproblems but now bothers me more :(
Quote from: hizmom on August 30, 2008, 09:17:38 AM
i will tell you that the first time he talked about binding
i was not so much dead set against it as i was concerned
about ... wait for .... lymphatic drainage....
the constricting nature of a binder inhibits what
i KNOW to be a vital mechanism so i am a real
hard-@ss when it comes to how long i will let
him wear the garment.....
i had not really given a lot of thought
to the possibility of other implications
Lymphatic drainage is on the list of why you shouldn't bind 24/7, hizmom. It's also on the list of why you shouldn't wear bras to sleep, too. Breasts are not designed to be restrained- proper lymphatic drainage is dependent on the jiggle. So no matter if it's binder or bra, you gotta let 'em free every now and again. :)
hmm didn't know about the lymphatic deal. and din;t know wasn;t supposed wear bra 24/7 either. I used to after the reduction surgery several years ago
Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 29, 2008, 11:42:32 PMI cant help it... Now I need to get that surgery as soon as possible
That's all in your head. No dysphoria should ever make a guy be self destructive in his coping process. You need to seek therapy instead of surgery. A therapist can help you cope so you can sleep without a binder. Your health should always come first.
Posted on: August 30, 2008, 12:43:40 PM
It's hard to say. My mother forbids me from binding. I'm lucky in the sense that I don't feel a need to. I wear a tank top underneath to "flatten" the pointed shape of my breasts, but I don't put a massive amount of pressure on them like binding does. The only reason I do this and not bind is because I am certain that compressed binding would affect my surgery in a negative way.
well i bind and dont have a big chest but it makes everything flat i hate the lump on me when i dont bind and im kind of young too
Quote from: Elwood on August 30, 2008, 02:46:36 PM
Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 29, 2008, 11:42:32 PMI cant help it... Now I need to get that surgery as soon as possible
That's all in your head. No dysphoria should ever make a guy be self destructive in his coping process. You need to seek therapy instead of surgery. A therapist can help you cope so you can sleep without a binder. Your health should always come first.
Posted on: August 30, 2008, 12:43:40 PM
My health comes second, actually. I see no point in living if I must continue as this.
Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 31, 2008, 12:42:40 AM
Quote from: Elwood on August 30, 2008, 02:46:36 PM
Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 29, 2008, 11:42:32 PMI cant help it... Now I need to get that surgery as soon as possible
That's all in your head. No dysphoria should ever make a guy be self destructive in his coping process. You need to seek therapy instead of surgery. A therapist can help you cope so you can sleep without a binder. Your health should always come first.
Posted on: August 30, 2008, 12:43:40 PM
My health comes second, actually. I see no point in living if I must continue as this.
Mr Daniels, I am going to encourage you now to seek therapy ASAP. If you cannot find or afford one, please send me your approximate geographic location and I will help you find a free/cheap trans-friendly resource (or two!) to use. Statements such as the one above should not be taken lightly or made in jest- if this is truly how you feel, please take action to find a healthy outlet NOW.
I already go to therapy, just started last thursday, so Im great, just alittle extreme and unstable.
Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 31, 2008, 12:42:40 AMMy health comes second, actually. I see no point in living if I must continue as this.
That's what a guy says when he refuses to use what's between his ears. You need therapy. Transmen can't be mindless and live only on their impulses. To transition takes guts and brains. You need a therapist to help you organize your mind so you can use that brain.
Health if priority. An unhealthy man's transition will be of lesser quality.
I am going to be disagreed with most but binding young is bad and worse then as an adult. If you bind tight (it might hurt but be the only emotionally comfortable way), for long periods (i.e. only remove it for showering or sleeping), wear it for more then 3 years during puberty or adolescence or bind more then just your chest (i.e diaphram) then it could be a serious problem.
When ever you have youth who is binding, you stand the chance of malformed bones from the constant pressure, inflamed soft tissue between ribs, upper and lower respiratory infections and damaging the underlying chest muscles. I suffered all of these problems binding since they showed up at puberty. I only stopped after surgery. There is even a group of scientists that have suggested that some breast cancers are caused by bras interfering with lymph drainage. I personally don't know about that but if it is true FTMs who bind would be at a far greater risk.
Nothing would have changed for me as I knew the risks. You can try to slow down the effects by doing lung drainage similar to that used for those with cystic fibrosis. I know youth who have tried or succeeded in killing them selves when the option to bind was removed from them others just went to tape. I think the option of short term binding combined with prompt surgery should eliminate or change those risks.
->-bleeped-<-boy
what we have going on is a collaborative
and hopefully sensible agreement about binding
for sure, he never sleeps in the garment...
i do not insist but i advocate for no more than
15 hour days.... which will happen because of
school and after school activities....
i guess we just try to be alert to problems
as soon as they arise, and use the best judgment
we can manage ...
i appreciate the dialog....
you lads are awesome....
please be careful with yourselves....
i know this is hard, but count me in your
cheering section.....
(((all))))
amy~
He should take it off when he gets home to relax. I wear what I wear (it's not actually a binder, just a tank top) only when I'm out. Squishing these things only helps me pass. It doesn't help me feel better. They're still there. I don't need to pass in the privacy of my own home.
Quote from: Elwood on August 31, 2008, 12:48:27 PM
Quote from: Jack Daniels on August 31, 2008, 12:42:40 AMMy health comes second, actually. I see no point in living if I must continue as this.
That's what a guy says when he refuses to use what's between his ears. You need therapy. Transmen can't be mindless and live only on their impulses. To transition takes guts and brains. You need a therapist to help you organize your mind so you can use that brain.
Health if priority. An unhealthy man's transition will be of lesser quality.
I dont live on impulses, and I already go to therapy. You make me seem like a head case...or ... what I said makes you see me as a head case, therefore you write as though I am one... And my great mind goes to waste in this body, as do the talents, personality,ect. I mean my whole life ive been unstable ill admit but im tryin to really work on it.(somewhat) Its wierd, kind of like a contridiction because Im unstable, yet I overthink everything too much, plus the isolation, anti-socialness(which is a nicer way of sayin pyscopath, i wonder why they changed the name cause its the same, like bipolar and manic-depressant are the same.oh well...) I fail but I failed when I was borne. If only my mom got an abortion...Too late for that now
Posted on: September 01, 2008, 06:09:37 PM
Just tell your son the affects and risks assocaited with it,make sure he completely understands before getting into it.
You did honestly sound a tad like a headcase in that moment, yes...
I feel like I failed when I was born as well. Born female. It was all wrong. But... I'm going to just keep breathing. I eager to see if my life will get better... or if it can get any worse.
At least were both on the same page, we both "failed" at life when we were borne. God damn it
i look at my lad and do not see failure!!!
i see challenge and opportunity..... uninvited maybe, unwelcome likely
but by no means would i ever leave unrebuked
any kind of message about his situation as failure.....
a miscue, a biological lapse in specificity.....
a defect? ugh! sure why not, but a failure? never!
the failure belongs to society, to culture, to bias and bigotry!
failure to look for the common denominator of humanity in all
the varieties of gender/sexual inclinations and proclivities
each statistic represents a human life....
failure is linked to the disregard of that reality
Quote from: emoboi on August 30, 2008, 05:53:51 PM
well i bind and dont have a big chest but it makes everything flat i hate the lump on me when i dont bind and im kind of young too
EEEEMMOOOOO! whats up man! Finally see you on the boards! lol
Posted on: September 03, 2008, 06:09:52 AM
Quote from: hizmom on September 02, 2008, 05:16:53 PM
i look at my lad and do not see failure!!!
i see challenge and opportunity..... uninvited maybe, unwelcome likely
but by no means would i ever leave unrebuked
any kind of message about his situation as failure.....
a miscue, a biological lapse in specificity.....
a defect? ugh! sure why not, but a failure? never!
the failure belongs to society, to culture, to bias and bigotry!
failure to look for the common denominator of humanity in all
the varieties of gender/sexual inclinations and proclivities
each statistic represents a human life....
failure is linked to the disregard of that reality
i wish more people felt this way. Take my mom...please.
Quote from: hizmom on September 02, 2008, 05:16:53 PM
i look at my lad and do not see failure!!!
i see challenge and opportunity..... uninvited maybe, unwelcome likely
but by no means would i ever leave unrebuked
any kind of message about his situation as failure.....
a miscue, a biological lapse in specificity.....
a defect? ugh! sure why not, but a failure? never!
the failure belongs to society, to culture, to bias and bigotry!
failure to look for the common denominator of humanity in all
the varieties of gender/sexual inclinations and proclivities
each statistic represents a human life....
failure is linked to the disregard of that reality
Thats great a positive way to look at things
I guess. But I feel like a failure a lot of the time. This body is just... really driving me nuts.
yeah...I still do, but...Basicallly since being born wrong takes up so much time and thought, its difficult to develop fully as a person for me, so Im still failing, and then surgery costs so much money, but hiz mom still has a positive way to look at things
My person is quite developed. But he cannot act as he wishes to. His body is a great boundary.
Ah. Speakin in third person is great, isnt it. And mines not as developed as yours cause I guess I get depressed easily. I mean my mind is amazing, but it would dominate even more if the body matched
Quote from: Jack Daniels on September 03, 2008, 02:34:31 PM
Ah. Speakin in third person is great, isnt it. And mines not as developed as yours cause I guess I get depressed easily. I mean my mind is amazing, but it would dominate even more if the body matched
i'm with you bro.
Thats the spirit man